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Vandalism

This is becoming pretty problematic. Lock due? talk

Regarding recent edits

Dear @Warshy,

In regards to 5 recent edits of which Warshy reverted two of them.

1. Changing human to Jewish. Warshy did not contest this. Reason for edit given. 2. Deletion of piece from "Outside of Chabad Messianism... early christianity". Warshy reverted this edit. The reason Warshy gave for reverting was because this was referenced content. 3. Editing out words "the deceased". Warshy reverted this edit. The reason given is that this appeared to Warshy as if claiming RMMS was not deceased. 4. Deletion of "Resembling early christianity... imminent". Warshy did not contest this. 5. Deletion of "Two bamot-tombs". Warshy did not contest this.

In regards to edit 2. I checked the sources for that. There were 3 sources. 2 of them from Bar-Hayim. Another from Freeman. The quote "Outside of Chabad messianism, in Judaism, there is no basis to these claims." came from Bar-Hayim. After checking source, this Bar-Hayim claimed that Chabad is heresy or at the very least doubtful heresy. This is not a mainstream Jewish position. Nor is this the position Wikipedia takes in citing sources as facts per NPOV. In regards to Freeman, he just comes as a continuation of that statement. Once Bar-Hayim is taken out, no reason for Freeman to be there.

In regards to edit 3. The edits that were eliminated came from sources that implied Chabad is idol worship/heresy. The reason for edit was because the words deceased came from implication of "chabad is heresy". Once that implication is removed, the words "the deceased" are unnecessary to anyone that can do math. However, I can understand Warshy's opposition on this edit.

Blessings,

Yaakov W. Yaakov Wa. (talk) 01:24, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

IMO there can be no doubt, after all your recent edits on this page and in the other "Messiah" page, that you are a believing Chabad follower. You should also probably acknowledge that yourself, so Wikipedia independent, non-believing and non-biased editors can have a better understanding of your motivations for coming here and trying to edit Wikipedia pages precisely on the very touchy, sensitive religious question of the so-called "Messiah." (Full disclosure - I myself am among those who consider this issue more of a strictly religious invention or fiction, rather than a real question worthy of any serious pondering.)

This very touchy, sensitive religious question is not only at the crux of the age-old division and separation between Christianity and Judaism. This crucial division/separation within Western civilization, as we know, has also turned quite violent and murderous at several different junctures in the history of this civilization.

Now Chabad itself, since the passing of their revered last Rebbe in 1994, had become quite a new phenomenon in the history of the Jewish religion. Basically, I's say, there are currently in the world only two religious Jewish (or calling themselves Jewish) sects that relate to this question seriously: Chabad on one side, and all sorts of "Jews for Jesus" sects on the other.

Since you are obviously very concerned with Chabad, let's just discuss this part of the problem here. That's because since the death and burial of the Rebbe, Chabad has not named a new leader or Rebbe. Some within the sect openly acknowledge that the deceased Rebbe is indeed the long-awaited Moshiach, that is not really deceased, but will soon return in person to prove that. Now, you came here and openly deleted the word "deceased" from the sentence referring to him. What can be your motivation, or I'd call it rather your zeal, to come here and delete that very matter-of-fact (not of religious belief) adjective, under the guise of different pretexts? I'd request from you, that before you proceed with your various threatened 'overhauls' of different religious pages on Wikipedia, that you dare clarify for us your own position on all these sensitive religous questions. Thank you, warshy ^(¥¥) 16:54, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Section on Chabad

The section on chabad seems to be written with an extreme anti-chabad POV. It is a smear claiming chabad is heresy. Check the sources. I do not believe they fit Wikipedia RS rules. Although no time tonight, will be editing in the future. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yaakov Wa. (talk • contribs) 03:22, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]