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Deletion of article on Ashley Miller

You deleted this article on 10th October on the grounds that Ashley Miller is no a renowned photographer. I don't recall putting this in the article. I certainly agree with you that she is not a renowned photographer. However as a renowned artist, the page i wrote should not have been deleted. Please restore and I shall ammend the entry. From user Nickamery

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Asgardian-Tenebrae

Hello,

An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Asgardian-Tenebrae. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Asgardian-Tenebrae/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Asgardian-Tenebrae/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Newyorkbrad 15:38, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Amalgam characters don't die easily.

I really hate picking on anyone by "name" but Bluecatcinema won't respond to the notices I put on his/her page, but is stubbornly continuing to insert unsourced Amalgam character information into articles. Maybe it would help if someone else would offer a comment asking if the person would please stop adding such information while we're discussing this at WikiProject Comics and to contribute to that discussion. Doczilla 17:55, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Vertigo Comics

We're pretty much discussed out regarding the move of the above page. The general consensus is that Vertigo (imprint) is more future proof but Vertigo (comics) is perhaps in line with guidance. You're the only one who strongly argued against imprint, so if you could pop back in and maybe we can get the whole thing squared away? Steve block Talk 10:36, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

You're right, and you're right. I have concerns about future usage, and potential confusion, but I'll defer to "imprint" as better than "comics", at least. If you'd like, I can see about adding a section to naming conventions. - jc37 11:32, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

I tend to share your concerns but figure it's a fight for another day, and for me it's not really worth fighting about anyway. I'd much rather we had solid articles at fairly germane names than awful articles at the best name possible and every variation redirected in. I'm happy just to agree to whatever is passing as consensus now and let future Wikipedians clean up our mess. ;) I'm growing wary of writing anything down these days, after I see what people do with all the things I've written down. Only last month someone told me I was wrong, using words from a policy I wrote to prove it. :) But don't let me stop you, you'll probably be better at summarising it than me at any rate. Steve block Talk 11:38, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Is there another disambiguation phrase that we can use? (And I wonder what DC Comics calls Vertigo...)

Also, I sooo understand. (For example, every time someone points out that what I'm suggesting does not follow comics naming conventions. : ) - jc37 12:08, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

DC use imprint at [1] and there's this copyright notice, although I don't know where it's linked from, [2], which reads "Published by Vertigo Books.An imprint of DC Comics" Now whther that means the legal name of Vertigo is Vertigo Books, and whether you'd get consensus on that as well is something I can't speak to, so otherwise you're looking at (imprint) or (comics). I'd rather go with comics, but... (publisher) feels wrong, (subsidiary) I'm not sure about, (company) or (DC Comics) are plausible but the latter lacks brevity and the former lacks accuracy. I don't know how US law works, so I can't turn up a registration, not in New York anyway, maybe a subsidiary doesn't need to be registered, and they're both subsidiaries of Warner Bros Entertainment. Steve block Talk 12:31, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I'm sold on Vertigo Books. Imprint is just used in too many ways to show "subsidiary". Thank you for the links : ) - Would you mind adding them to the discussion there? - jc37 12:39, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Miscommunication at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Comixtalk

There seems to be some miscommunication at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Comixtalk. I think I answered your question by saying "We can't write a neutral article based on press releases." Maybe you have a good idea for merging this that I don't see yet, but I don't see how, without better sources, we can merge this into any other article without giving this undue weight compared to every other blog that has written about itself an/ore recieved minimal press mentions. And I don't think we ought to have an article that is the equivalent of List of web sites that have issued press releases or anything. Does that make sense? Again, maybe you have a great idea for a way of merging this in a neutral manner, but I don't see it yet, so maybe you could articulate your merger vision more clearly. Until then, I probably won't see a way to cover this topic in a neutral manner without better sources. I'd hate to see all the non-neutral/incorrect information about "webcomics community" "screaming for a centralized hub" and "the first online publication primarily focused on webcomics" jammed into some other article. Does that make sense? Or do you still need to keep asking the same question without answering mine? --Dragonfiend 13:59, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

• You didn't actually answer my question, which is why I restated it. I asked if there was "any reason this article has to be deleted as opposed to merged somewhere where it is relevant", and you answered by stating "We can't write a neutral article". At no point did I ask if we could write a neutral article on this topic. Reading your response on my talk page, it seems your answer is possibly. As to why and where it should be merged, I think that's best discussed in the actual debate. Thanks. Steve block Talk 14:21, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
  • I guess I assumed you meant merge it with an article. What non-article (a list maybe?) do you propose we merge it with? What do you propose we merge? --Dragonfiend 14:50, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
    • Ah, you're attempting to rebut me by stating we can't add information sourced from press releases. That's the source of our misunderstanding. I asked a far broader and more general question, one you've answered to my satisfaction. As I stated before, issues specific to the article are best discussed in the deletion debate. Thanks. Steve block Talk 14:57, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
      • I'm not attempting to rebut you as I have no real idea what you're trying to say. You asked me a question, and I've attempted to answer it. I don't think one can really rebut a question. Since I'm trying to get some clarity from you on what your position is and answers from you to my questions, and neither of those seem to be very forthcoming, I'd hate to fill that AfD up with us going around in circles asking the same questions over and over. So, have I answered your questions to your satisfaction yet? Have you provided any answers to my questions? --Dragonfiend 15:09, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Nightcrawler edits

I noted your reverts of my cn tag placement in the article, and it appears you were correct in removing some of them. However, while WP:LEAD says to try and avoid citations in the Lead, it doesn't banish them altogether; I should know, I fought long and hard to have them removed completely, and was unsuccessful. Therefore, I know that avoiding citations in the Lead requires one of two things - either stating things in a general enough manner that the statemetns aren't likely to be be questioned/contested, or to break the rules and ignore the rules altogether. I cited what needed citing. This edit removed citation tags asking for verification of information that either did not appear in the article or wasn't cited within the article. Your next two reverts I am willing to concede might provide satisfactory information about the book (though not enough for the listed artists). Your last revert draws attention to the idea that all of the events descrbed in the ensuing passage all occured within the same issue - and they did not. This is why it seems fairly important that, when plot points develop, to cite a reference point inthe comic. You are free to discuss the matter in the article discussion page, but I have reverted the two instances I have drawn attention to here. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 17:59, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

RFA/Emperor

Now you know how I felt about RFA/Carcaroth (grin) - jc37 20:28, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

I felt it then too. I'm another who tried to get him to run a couple of times. It's like having kids, watching editors grow into admins. And then half the time they don't even write. ;) Steve block Talk 20:34, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Rofl. Well as another that you did nominate, I hope I "write" enough : ) - jc37 20:38, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

I think you're the only one that does now. Chris seems to have left, Xoloz doesn't have to, it's just heartening to know he's still here, and I don't think I've spoken to The Tom since I nominated him. Me and him used to be big at WP:CFD, back in the day. To think he passed with a 16/1/2. Those were the days. Steve block Talk 20:59, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure why, but I just had an overwhelming urge to find you a rocking chair : ) - jc37 21:02, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

To muller a tune, whatchoo wanna go and put tearz in my eyes? ;) Steve block Talk 21:11, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Awww... (looks around for your shawl, to comfort you...)

Incidentally, I thought that the "smiles" were nice, btw. - jc37 21:16, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

[After giving jc37 a {{smile}}] Might as well complete the set then. Steve block Talk

Now that was nice, thank you. I hope that it didn't look like I was hinting, because I wasn't. - jc37 21:31, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

I feel at this point I must point out I'm a married man. Have a good night. I really should be working, I've been avoiding it since Wednesday. Steve block Talk 21:35, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

ROFLMAO! You must be related to Kbdank71 somehow, usually he's the only one who makes me laugh like that. : )

Anyway, have a good night : ) - jc37 21:39, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Dear Steve,

I'm sorry I haven't written more but you know how it is, one day your turn around and you are now longer the new kids and suddenly your chores seem to be a lot more grown-up and your time just seems to disappear. It looks like now it is going to be my turn to have all the youngsters asking me for advice and to fix things that they've broken or don't quite understand (well if they are anything like me anyway ;) ).

I must admit the nomination came out of the blue - the first thing I knew I'd been nominated. Although I am in a different place now (and have more admin-style experience under my belt) I can't say if I wouldn't have tried to wriggle off the hook again.

That said I'll be sure to write more often and I might even send a postcard ;)

Later,

Emperor 00:47, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Also I would have told you about the RfA but I know there have been big problems caused by canvassing and wanted to try and keep as hands-off as possible on this. I'd hate to think I'd eventually been bum rushed into this and then cock it all up (which is just the kind of silly thing I'd do). I genuinely didn't think I was ready at the time you asked me and I think I'm in a better position to use the tools and to get the vote. The big plus is it means I won't have to keep hassling you to do things for me - instead I can move on to hassling you whenever I can't get them to work ;) You ain't getting away quite that easily :) (Emperor 16:47, 12 November 2007 (UTC))

Oh, also

Do you fancy pointing over at Category talk:Lists of superheroes. I asked Doc his thoughts on all the lists and he's posted there, and I think there's some substance in what he says. Steve block Talk 21:30, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Sure, though not at the moment, as I have to go rather soon. - jc37 21:33, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Good Job

I just want to say that this (Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Wikipedia:Requests for adminship#View by Steve block) was well said. Very well said. I'm not going to get involved, because I haven't read, nor do I have time to read, many of the other arguments, but you've already convinced me. FerralMoonrender (MyTalk • MyContribs • EmailMe) 01:37, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Don't worry about it

Hindsight is a very useful thing. Granted the information you had at the time, your decision was perfectly reasonable - trust me, no hard feelings from me. Thanks for the note - it was totally unexpected. -- Tawker 06:15, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Re: My non-admin closure of Rincewind

Hi Steve,

Thanks for taking the time to stop by my talk page and comment about my speedy closure of the Rincewind AfD yesterday. I don't think you're out of date or missing anything--the section on non-admin closings states very clearly that non-admin closes are welcomed during backlogs. My choice to close it early citing WP:SNOW was primarily motivated by the fact that the discussion had started taking a bit of a nasty turn, with new commenters adding disparaging comments about the nominator and the sole dissenting voice being effectively shouted down. Although I'm sure an administrator would have come along sooner or later, I decided to be bold and put things to a stop before any real accusations started flying.

But your point is well-taken, and I won't be doing any more early non-admin closures.

As for your other question, I have considered running for admin, and I've decided it's something I'd like to do. However, I've also read enough RfA backlogs to know that I probably wouldn't have a shot if I ran now, and since I don't want to get ahead of myself, I've put myself on editor review to get some feedback on how I'm doing overall instead. So hopefully after some reviews and admin coaching I'll be a bit more certain of where I am in terms of knowledge about how this place works; when that happens, then hopefully you'll drop by my RfA to put in your two cents :)

Thanks again for the helpful advice! --jonny-mt^(t)_(c)Tell me what you think! 09:37, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Wow, thanks so much for the kind words. In that case, your point is very well taken and I'll be sure to watch AfD for similar discussions from now on :)

As for your question about why I don't think I'd pass RfA, I think the number one factor holding me back is my perceived inexperience. Although I've been here for well over a year (and read my fair share of policies during that time), it's only in the past couple of months that I've really gotten involved. I think my edits and behavior thus far are solid (all of my AIV requests have resulted in blocks, for example), but I believe many voters would regard me as a relatively unknown quantity and thus be hesitant to lend their support.

While I think I could use a little more time and experience to make sure I pass the process, if you do decide to scan my contributions and surprise me, I'll trust your judgement and give it a run. --jonny-mt^(t)_(c)Tell me what you think! 07:57, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Ballistic merged into Bloodlines

Hi. On Nov 8 you merged the Ballistic (DC comics) article into the Bloodlines article. I was wondering why it was merged and what I needed to do to get it back as an individual article. I'm new and inexperienced at this so your help with this would be appreciated. My user name is kyletheobald. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kyletheobald (talk • contribs) 05:02, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Redirects

Thanks for the note. I'll check through the category this evening and see how the land lies. It may be the redirects are fine but personally I'd rather deal with things on a case-by-case basis (or relevant block of pages if they exist like the Planetary characters) but again I don't think there is a right or wrong answer to all this, just different ways of getting the "best" result for everyone. after all there are many paths to enlightenment. ;) (Emperor 16:47, 12 November 2007 (UTC))

I've had a quick skim and that is a fine set of nasty articles there. Some of them can stay redirects for the time being until someone can be bothered to write more than a sentence [3], some of them needing merging somewhere (if you have only ever appeared in Howard the Duck or are a lacky of Kang the Conqueror then I can't see why they'd need their own entry) and some I'll undo and ask for improvements. I'll not do anything with them unless I can think of something and some have me stumped: "minor characters in Achewood" for one I'd lean towards AfDing it and see what happens unless there is a webcomic wiki we can transwiki this to - I'll have a look around and see how the land lies (obviously comixpedia would be the answer but it has rather run into the ground [4] - they seem against moving it to Wikia but....). Some of them give me The Fear: Aristophanes for one, not just because of their specific entry but because of the sheer number of redlinks on Crux (comics) and something broader needs doing there to head off the possibility of that one comic spinning of dozens of new articles on characters, most of whom have only appeared in a few issues - I think it might be worth unlinking them and starting a discussion on the talk page. If someone wants to expand on the characters it might be worth either splitting it off or warning them off.

Anyway you are right to target them and I'll have a more detailed ponder on their respective fates later tonight. (Emperor 17:30, 12 November 2007 (UTC))

I'm not saying any of those can survive in their current form but simply redirecting isn't going to solve the problem and I'd rather use the other solutions suggested by WP:FICT, in particular bringing characters together into character specific entries, although it is a bit tricky knowing what level to pitch this as.

Ballistic is a tricky one. They aren't really viable as a standalone entry but redirecting is difficult as there are series and spin offs and then they have appeared in Infinite Crisis (along with other characters - all of whom probably need to be done at the same time). I'm still pondering that one and suspect merging all of the Bloodpack together might be the way forward or we refocus the DC Comics characters as mentioned on the main talk page.

I suspect we are probably on the same page in that something does need doing with most of those articles but I feel redirecting isn't the way. The solution to them is going to be different and some of them will be tricky. However, if we can sort out things like the Planetary characters then it creates a solid precedent and a good example which we can point to when trying to fix other articles (especially as, despite their being in the Wildstorm Universe they don't interact with the other groups, odd as Ellis created a lot of them, but handy for our purposes). (Emperor 14:04, 13 November 2007 (UTC))

My CSS files

Hey, were you doing anything interesting with them? Not that I mind of course, I'm just curious :) It was a skin that I was trying to create (and it needs the corresponding .js file) but I've abandoned it for the moment because I couldn't get the layout right. -- DatRoot 15:29, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

(Copied from my talk page)

I was being nosy and trying it on my css, and I blanked the wrong css subpage after having a look at it. It's a good design, but it doesn't quite integrate with what I've got. My apologies for messing about, Steve block Talk 15:34, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

No need to apologise - as I say I was just interested. It was still very much a WIP. -- DatRoot 15:46, 13 November 2007 (UTC)