User talk:VernoWhitney

Break

I'm already on a bit of a break writing about something else! Flicking through hundreds of articles for infringements is not the way I'd planned to spend the weekend! Go ahead with the changes when you're ready. Sillyfolkboy (talk) (edits)^{Join WikiProject Athletics!} 12:59, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Okay, working on it. Anything that makes your life easier and more willing to help out is the least I can do. Cheers! VernoWhitney (talk) 13:05, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

File:Yuvan@fitnessone.jpg

Hi boss can I ask u why this image was rejected for OTRS ticket confirmation. The email was sent regarding this image then what is the problem with this image. Please tell me. User:Anand_023 Sep 6, 5:18pm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.79.135.29 (talk) 11:47, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

I can reply to this. We need specific licensing information to be given to us by the copyright holder. We recommend the form here. We need to be able to prove that the person writing us is the copyright holder. If the e-mail address used to contact us doesn't prove that, the website that publishes it first has to. Full instructions were provided in e-mail to our correspondent. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 12:02, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Darius Dhlomo CCI

Is there any way a copyvio bot (like Coren's or The Earwig's) can run through all the articles he created and mark likely copyvios so those can be processed first? I didn't want to leave this at the AN/I thread because it was getting too long and I wanted to see if this was reasonable for a bot to process. I know User:CorenSearchBot/manual and http://toolserver.org/~earwig/cgi-bin/copyvio.py work, but it's quite slow to do one-by-one. —fetch·comms 21:23, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Can't you run multiple files at User:CorenSearchBot/manual at the same time? I don't know that I've tried. VernoWhitney (talk) 21:26, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

To answer my own question, yes you can, so I can run a whole bunch through (use a bot to list them) and see if there are any hits.VernoWhitney (talk) 21:29, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Ah, I was wondering why you tested pig and elephant :P Could start on that list with page Wikipedia:Contributor_copyright_investigations/Darius_Dhlomo_8, which I've asked Darius to look over (see his talk), just to check the ones he went through? —fetch·comms 21:31, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I'll see if I can set that up before I run off to dinner. I'll be running it at User:VWBot/manual so as to not violate bot policy. VernoWhitney (talk) 21:35, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Hrmm...clearly there's a bug somewhere, and I have to run away now, so I won't be able to look into this until later tonight. Sorry. VernoWhitney (talk) 21:56, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

No worries. CSBot has a bug too, the exact same one it seems (the links are [not working] and the confidence is over 100%). —fetch·comms 22:02, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Well, that part of VWBot's code is the same as CSBot (unless he's recently updated the code), it apparently only handles [[Foo]] and not [[:Foo]], which is what my generator spits out automatically so I don't have to fix it for files when I list them. VernoWhitney (talk) 00:31, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Okay, it's now running. It may take a while since it only does the manual checks while waiting for its regular work, but it should spit out a thousand results tonight. ^_^ VernoWhitney (talk) 00:39, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Bah, I forgot that it doesn't have a robust system for dealing with lags, so it just timed out and lost everything... this may take some finagling. VernoWhitney (talk) 01:04, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Is it difficult to have the bot ignore the Wikipedia mirrors that keep popping up? I am loathe to believe that none of them are real copyvios, but I still wonder if there are any easily-detected ones lingering about. —fetch·comms 03:07, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

It ignores some of them, but I didn't write the code initially (that'd be Coren, of course), so I don't remember the details off the top of my head. I'm sure it can be set to ignore more of them, but I'm not going to mess with that until this batch is done. As far as other easily-detected ones...not with what we have coded and working at the moment, at least that I know of, or CSBot would've tagged them the first time around. VernoWhitney (talk) 03:14, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Grr, he was sly in adding vios. Either he added them at the beginning with mixed-order, or he added them two years later. More manual work, then :P. I just wish everyone at the AN/I subpage would help, too, not just a few users. —fetch·comms 03:31, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Okay, everything should now be listed at User:VWBot/results except for three which hit on blacklisted sites that I forgot to write down and take to work with me today so I'll have to list those when I get home. There are a whole bunch of "unable to check" results which I imagine means that it just timed out, so I can run them again but I doubt it will make a difference, since at a glance every hit appears to be to a mirror site. VernoWhitney (talk) 13:29, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

The three blacklisted sites follow, appropriately modified to not trigger the blacklist:

Hiroshi Nagashima, as of 23:40, 7 September 2010 (UTC), appears to be a copyright violation of [www.babynology.com/chinese-mcelebrityhiroshi.html www.babynology.com/chinese-mcelebrityhiroshi.html] with 87% confidence.

Sukhbir Singh Gill, as of 23:40, 7 September 2010 (UTC), appears to be a copyright violation of [www.indianetzone.com/9/sukhbir_singh_gill.htm www.indianetzone.com/9/sukhbir_singh_gill.htm] with 89% confidence.

Jude Menezes, as of 23:40, 7 September 2010 (UTC), appears to be a copyright violation of [www.indianetzone.com/9/jude_menezes.htm www.indianetzone.com/9/jude_menezes.htm] with 84% confidence.

VernoWhitney (talk) 23:40, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Yuvan Shankar Raja

Hi, you had found that the OTRS for File:Yuvan@fitnessone.jpg had insufficient permission - the uploader uploaded a new image at File:Yuvan@fitness1.jpg and I wonder whether the OTRS fits for that image instead or if another one was sent or if it's not permitted. Best Hekerui (talk) 14:46, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm not finding anything in OTRS for that image, and permission for the earlier image is still unusable. VernoWhitney (talk) 14:52, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Mark Weber (historian)

Forgive me, but I'm missing something — how do you know that it's a repost? This article appears to have started as a copy from the GFDL-only http://wikibin.org/articles/mark-weber-3.html before being significantly rewritten. I'll be happy to try to help once I understand better what's going on. Nyttend (talk) 12:01, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Wikibin is a host for articles deleted from Wikipedia (It comes up fairly regularly as a hit for CorenSearchBot). The fact that it's GFDL doesn't matter because it a) doesn't correctly attribute Wikipedia in general, let alone the actual editors and b) we've needed CC-BY-SA to import anything after November 1st, 2008. Judging from the diff, there are still some core elements which would make this a derivative work and thus a copyright violation unless there is appropriate attribution provided. VernoWhitney (talk) 12:09, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I've never before heard of Wikibin. I know of no way to find the original article — if the Wikibin page had attributed its own source properly, we could use that, but it neither provided the name of the original article nor provides a list of contributors. I'll ask at the Help Desk. Nyttend (talk) 12:17, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

The original article appears to have been at Mark Weber, but which version I don't know. VernoWhitney (talk) 12:19, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Ah, I just found the solution — it is a version of the original Mark Weber article, not some other title. When a page is accused of being a repost, I'll just compare it to the deleted version of the alleged source. Yes, this article is taken from the deleted version, but it's greatly enough modified that it doesn't qualify for G4 deletion: it would have when it was first discovered, but it doesn't anymore. I'll move around the histories, asking for help from more-experienced admins if necessary. Nyttend (talk) 12:21, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Great, thank you! VernoWhitney (talk) 12:22, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome. For some reason, the newer edits didn't appear when I finished the history merge; I've asked for help at WP:AN. Nyttend (talk) 12:31, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Does this seem good enough?

Hi. I'm not sure if I'm comfortable with my own cleanup on Peter Shalvoy, by comparison to [1]. Can you take a look and tell me if you think I've left too much? --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 16:55, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

On the assumption you're actually talking about this source, the lists of clubs bothers me since it doesn't sound like it's comprehensive so there's presumably some creativity involved in picking them for the list and it's fairly extensive. The list of celebrities bothers me a little for the same reasons, but it's short enough and reorganized from the source so I think I'd let that part go. VernoWhitney (talk) 17:20, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Oops, yes, I was. Sorry. :) I started to remove the list of clubs, but there are actually more of them in our article than in that source, so I left them (uneasily). Other than that, you feel okay about it? --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 17:38, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, other than that I didn't see any issues comparing it to either source. ^_^ VernoWhitney (talk) 17:40, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Back to the races!

Hi, Verno. You'll no doubt recall 1976 Lady Wigram Trophy. We're back with 1951 Lady Wigram Trophy. You removed the DNS listing from the prior table. Would you believe that doing so here would eliminate creativity? I have no idea what a DNS is or what would ordinarily be included in such a table. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 17:28, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I think that would do it. DNS (from what I gathered during the previous discussion, I have no personal knowledge) stands for "did not show" which could mean either a) entered but didn't race, probably not creative or b) were favorites or somesuch but didn't actually enter the race, which could be creative in determining who to mention. At least that was my logic for the last case. VernoWhitney (talk) 17:39, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Bollards

thank you immensely. ViniTheHat (talk) 19:32, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome. I'm just sorry that it took 3 months since you tagged it for us to get around to figuring out exactly what all was added improperly and get it taken out. Thank you for tagging it and bringing the problem to light in the first place. VernoWhitney (talk) 19:37, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Re: Paul Steenhuisen

Sure thing, I'll do it right away. Blood Red Sandman ^{(Talk) (Contribs)} 14:10, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Geography of Chhattisgarh

Lol! That must have taken a lot of time.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 19:58, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Just lots of right click -> "copy link location" once I saw that everything was copied and pasted. I like being thorough ^_^ VernoWhitney (talk) 20:00, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Okay I just deleted Geography of Arunachal Pradesh. For your own sanity (and efficiency, and time management that could be spent finding more copyvios or tagging other articles appropriately), I suggest you simplify and just list one or two and maybe say "and many other sites." Thoroughness is a virtue but the effort is really not needed!--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 20:04, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm starting a new CCI on them since I just uncovered a bunch of other copyvios they created, so I won't be quite so verbose with the rest. VernoWhitney (talk) 20:07, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Since you seem to be involved in CCI investigations on a regular basis can you tell me what is typically done about the infringer? I have looked at various pages but have not found any stock response to such an incident. Barring an outright block, I would think they should get a very serious warning such as: "As the investigation at Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/Anikingos revealed numerous instances of copyright violations by you, you are now on notice that any future copyright infringements (or plagiarism) will result in a block." Our whole scheme with warnings and blocks is set up around normally giving a final warning before a block for non vandalism-only accounts, so I think we need some type of final warning to be given when we find a user like this.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:32, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Off the top of my head I think the only cases where a CCI hasn't been accompanied by at least a temporary block are where they've never been warned before the scale of the problem was discovered or where it's clearly good faith mistakes (e.g., they thought they had permission or were paraphrasing sufficiently or the like). By the time we start most CCIs they've usually already gotten plenty of warnings which include the lovely phrase "persistent violators will be blocked from editing". Judging from an old version of their talk page, the got a casual comment about copying text on 5 July and then a formal warning on 4 August, so they've known about it for a while. VernoWhitney (talk) 22:43, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

So I guess there is no "standard" warning since most have already received something like {{Uw-copyright}}. I will simply go ahead since a warning seems necessary and certainly appropriate.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:06, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, there's no standard warning since every copyright warning is supposed to be final (or close to it). VernoWhitney (talk) 01:27, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

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CycleBeads

Hi, I've updated the information on the CycleBeads page, but there is still a warning at the top that says that this article has multiple issues. It had been changed, but perhaps we needed to notify after the changes were made so that it could be reviewed? I think the issues are all fixed, but would like feedback. Thanks, 98.233.39.135 (talk) 17:22, 13 September 2010 (UTC)Leslie

Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I'll take a look at it later today and either remove the tags or make some recommendations for further improvement on the article's talk page. VernoWhitney (talk) 17:33, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

It took me longer to get around to it than I expected, but I've no looked at it and left some comments on the talk page. Cheers. VernoWhitney (talk) 15:06, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

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Heads up

Can you take a look at this thread? You are name checked. :) Not sure if your wizardry is up to it. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 20:21, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up. I had unwatchlisted their page, but I've commented there and will be watching again. VernoWhitney (talk) 20:31, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank you thank you

Thank you ever so much for your vigilant monitoring of the RFC request board. Especially given how much real-life things are engaging me, it is assuring to know that I have assistance. Another page you may be interested in is Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Unsorted, where RFCs either aren't categorized or are in a non-existent/misspelled category. harej 22:20, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome. I don't always keep on top of it, but I've been trying. I'll try to remember the Unsorted category too. Cheers! VernoWhitney (talk) 22:25, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Page number?

Hi, Verno. Can you give me a page number for the pdf from which William B. Langford paraphrases, por favor? As I write at the CP listing, the search function doesn't seem to be working for me. :/ --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 17:40, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I meant to put that on the listing. Page 15 of the pdf, the "Judson tower" sentence is a problem at least, I don't remember if anything else struck me when I blanked it. VernoWhitney (talk) 17:53, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! Armed with that information, I'll take a deeper look. :) --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 17:57, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Guerilla Opera

I've re-added some of the basic information that you deleted, re-written to avoid the original editor's close paraphrasing. Take a look and see if it's OK. There are only so many ways that one can say they commission operas, are the resident ensemble at the Boston Conservatory and perform in the Zack Box Theater. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 14:42, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

That looks fine. Thank you! VernoWhitney (talk) 14:45, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Oh,man

Ah, Verno, it breaks my heart. Never mind the endless hours involved, the damage to the project is so discouraging. :( What are we going to do? </end rhetorical despairing question>. Some days it makes me want to go curl up somewhere with a pint of ice cream and cry. :/ --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 13:05, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

I opt for milk'n'cookies myself. With that CCI at least there's a decent chance of doing double-duty with the Banglapedia sources. VernoWhitney (talk) 13:31, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi there, about the Tahadi Games page, I might be wrong with the way I created it.. But would it be okay if i rewrite the information? Thanks in advance, Regards.