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== Administrator Interview. ==

Hello there, my name is Mohammad Alshanabla (You can call me Mo). I am a student at Michigan State University, 	working on an exploration of the Wikipedia admin-ship process. I would firstly like to thank you for agreeing to be interviewed. I am working with Jonathan Obar, who is the principal investigator on this project, and also my Professor for this course. I am posting this note on your talk page to confirm that I am contacting you to set up a time for an interview that would be convenient for you. Please let me know if you would like to be interviewed via Skype, or by email. My email is '''alshanab@msu.edu''', if you have any questions what so ever please don't hesitate to contact me at any time. 
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== Talkback ==

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== Email from [[User:Matt Heard]] ==

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== AFT5 newsletter ==

Hey again all :). So, some big news, some small news, some good news, some bad news!

On the "big news" front; we've now deployed AFT5 on to 10 percent of articles, This is pretty awesome :). On the "bad news", however, it looks like we're having to stop at 10 percent until around September - there are scaling issues that make it dangerous to deploy wider. Happily, our awesome features engineering team is looking into them as we speak, and I'm optimistic that the issues will be resolved.

For both "small" and "good" news; we've got another [[m:IRC office hours|office hours]] session. This one is tomorrow, at [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?hour=22&min=00&sec=0&day=27&month=07&year=2012 22:00 UTC] in {{channel|wikimedia-office}} - I appreciate it's a bit late for Europeans, but I wanted to juggle it so US east coasters could attend if they wanted :). Hope to see you all there!

== WikiProject Christianity August 2012 newsletter ==

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'''Membership report'''<br>
The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 341 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, [[User:David_FLXD]], [[User:Alexsbecker]], [[User:Penguin 236]], [[User:Gugi001]], [[User:John D. Rockerduck]], and [[User:Margaret9mary]]. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the [[WT:X|Christianity noticeboard]] or with me or other individual editors to request it. 


'''From the Editor'''<br>
''Ichthus'' is one of the ways that the WikiProject Christianity’s [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity/Outreach|Outreach]] department helps update our members. We have recently added some new sections to the newsletter. Please let us know if there are changes you would like to see in the format, or if there are any particular things you would like to see included. And if you have anything you would personally like to add, by all means let us know. The talk page of the current issue is probably the best place to post such comments.   
 
With that, I wish you all happy reading!

P.S. Please [{{fullurl:Wikipedia talk:Christianity noticeboard|action=watch}} click here] to add the new [[WT:X|Christianity noticeboard]] to your watchlist to follow the latest discussions relevant to WikiProject Christianity and subprojects. 

<small>By [[user:John Carter|John Carter]]</small>


'''Church of the month'''<br>
<center>[[File:Frauenkirche Munich - View from Peterskirche Tower2.jpg|200px]]<br>
by [[:User:Diliff]]</center>
<center>Frauenkirche (Church of Our Blessed Lady) in [[Munich]], taken from the tower of [[St. Peter's Church (Munich)|St. Peter's Church]]</center>


'''Contest of the month'''<br>
We currently have a remarkable lack of [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia-Books]]. Right now, [[:Category:Wikipedia books on Christianity]] contains only 12 books. We certainly could have at least one book on each major grouping within Christianity. One of the challenges for this month, then, is working to put together books on relevant topics. For this month, one contest is for editors to assemble the basic Wikipedia books for each of the main topics of the extant related projects. When finished, they should their creation of the books at the [[WT:X|main Christianity noticeboard]], and at the end of the month the project will award barnstars to those who have made a significant efforts in developing this underdeveloped content. 

Also this month, we are going to have have a challenge to create and improve some of our more important missing or low-quality articles.  As biographies are often a bit easier, this month we are choosing two biographies: [[Karl Behm]], which has yet to be started, and the currently Stub-class article [[Nerses IV the Gracious]]. A barnstar will be awarded to any editor who can get these articles up to [[WP:DYK|DYK quality level]] and ultimately selected for the DYK section of the main page. 


'''Calendar'''<br>
Thie coming month (mid-August through mid-September) includes feasts dedicated to the honor of [[Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary]], [[Bartholomew the Apostle]], [[Nativity of Mary]], and the [[Exaltation of the Cross]]. 

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'''Featured content and GA report'''<br>
Since the last report, [[William de Chesney (sheriff)]],  [[Knights of Columbus]], and  [[Angelus Silesius]] were promoted to GA level.  
Our thanks and congratulations to all those involved. 


'''Wikimedia Foundation report'''<br>  
[[File:WikiNews-Logo-en.svg|left|40px]] 
[[Wikinews]] is our sister site for developing news stories. Several events relating to Christianity, like the installation of bishops for instance, do not necessarily merit extensive coverage in wikipedia encyclopedic articles, but can and easily could be covered at greater length in a news article format. Given the number of significant news events that relate to religion, including claims of miracles, assignment of bishops and other religious leaders, church conferences, and other events, this site provides an excellent opportunity to provide in-depth coverage of current events at greater length than wikipedia. 


'''Christian art'''<br>
[[File:Cristo crucificado.jpg|thumb|center|200px]]

<center>''Christ Crucified'' by [[Diego Velazquez]]. </center>
  

'''Spotlight'''<br>
[[File:John Wesley clipped.png|left|40px]] 
One of our newer editors, [[User:David_FLXD]], has recently gone through much of our content related to Methodism and assessed it. We are very grateful for his efforts, and that of all the editors who have had a role in developing that content. We have every reason to believe that this will make it significantly easier for the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity/Methodism work group|Methodism work group]] to create and develop content relevant to Methodism. To help that along, we certainly encourage everyone to do what they can to help David and the other Methodism editors to bring the content relevant to their tradition to the highest possible level of quality. 


'''I believe'''<br>
... in the [[Holy Trinity]], the sacraments of [[Baptism]] and [[Holy Communion]], the [[Arminian]] conception of [[free will]] through God's [[prevenient grace]], and the regular renewal of the individual's [[Covenant (religion)|covenant]] with God. I am a [[Methodist]].


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== AE ==

Hello Mr. Carter,

I was wondering what's going on with the AE I submitted.  There hasn't been admin activity on it in a few days, which isn't an issue, but I was hoping that a decision could be made soon, if need be with other admins pitching in, but right now it doesn't seem to be heading anywhere.  Since I don't really know what else to do, I just felt it best to notify you about this, as you were an active admin on the AE.

Thank you,

Activism1234

== WikiProject Christianity September 2012 newsletter ==

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'''Membership report'''<br>
The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 344 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, [[User:Floating Boat]], [[User:Dewey420]], and [[User:Jpacobb]]. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the [[WT:X|Christianity noticeboard]] or with me or other individual editors to request it. 


'''From the Editor'''<br>
''Ichthus'' is one of the ways that the WikiProject Christianity’s [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity/Outreach|Outreach]] department helps update our members. We have recently added some new sections to the newsletter. Please let us know if there are changes you would like to see in the format, or if there are any particular things you would like to see included. And if you have anything you would personally like to add, by all means let us know. The talk page of the current issue is probably the best place to post such comments.   
 
With that, I wish you all happy reading!

P.S. Please [{{fullurl:Wikipedia talk:Christianity noticeboard|action=watch}} click here] to add the new [[WT:X|Christianity noticeboard]] to your watchlist to follow the latest discussions relevant to WikiProject Christianity and subprojects. 

<small>By [[user:John Carter|John Carter]]</small>


'''Church of the month'''<br>
<center>[[File:Keble College Chapel - Oct 2006.jpg|200px]]<br>
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<center>The Chapel of [[Keble College, Oxford]]</center>


'''Contest of the month'''<br>
We currently have a remarkable lack of [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia-Books]]. Right now, [[:Category:Wikipedia books on Christianity]] contains only 12 books. We certainly could have at least one book on each major grouping within Christianity. One of the challenges for this month, then, is working to put together books on relevant topics. For this month, one contest is for editors to assemble the basic Wikipedia books for each of the main topics of the extant related projects. When finished, they should their creation of the books at the [[WT:X|main Christianity noticeboard]], and at the end of the month the project will award barnstars to those who have made a significant efforts in developing this underdeveloped content. 

Also this month, we are going to have have a challenge to create and improve some of our more important missing or low-quality articles.  Last month's challenge articles were [[Karl Beth]] and [[Nerses IV the Gracious]]. Both articles are currently candidates for the DYK section of the [[Wikipedia:Main page|main page]]. This month's challenge articles are the Stub-class article [[James Hastings]] and the not yet started [[Rudolf Sohm]], A barnstar will be awarded to any editor who can get these articles up to [[WP:DYK|DYK quality level]] and ultimately selected for the DYK section of the main page. 


'''Calendar'''<br>
Thie coming month (mid-September through mid-October) includes feasts dedicated to the honor of the [[Martyrs of Korea]], [[Saint Matthew]], [[Vincent de Paul]], [[Michaelmas]], [[Saint Jerome]], [[Theresa of Lisieux]], the [[Feast of the Guardian Angels]], [[Francis of Assisi]], [[Our Lady of the Rosary]], and [[Teresa of Avila]].  

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'''Featured content and GA report'''<br>
Since the last report, [[Albertus Soegijapranata]], and  [[Reginald Heber]] were promoted to FA. [[Grade I listed churches in Greater Manchester]] was promoted to Featured List, and [[Jackie Hudson]], [[Joyce Kilmer]], [[Divine command theory]], [[Bosa of York]] and [[Argument from morality]] were promoted to GA level.  DYKs featured this past month include [[Church of Saint Benoit, Istanbul]], [[All Saints Church, Hollingbourne]], [[Neustädter Kirche, Hannover]], [[St Mary's Church, Kirkby Lonsdale]], [[Albert Ndongmo]], [[If We Are the Body]], [[List of places of worship in Tonbridge and Malling]], [[Kulubnarti church]], [[All Saints Church, Ulcombe]], [[Val-Saint-Lambert Abbey]], [[Igny Abbey]], [[Church of the Holy Archangels Michael and Gabriel, Brăila]], [[Places of Worship Registration Act 1855]], [[Collegiate Church of San Gimignano]], and [[St Matthew's Church, Burnley]]. Our profoundest thanks and congratulations to all those involved!

'''Wikimedia Foundation report'''<br>  
[[File:Wikipedia-logo-simple.png|left|40px]] 
As some of you may have seen, the [[Simple English Wikipedia]] has been experiencing some difficulties lately. This particular entity could be of great value to several individuals who are trying to learn English. As some of you who do speak foreign languages know, one of the most easily available, and, in general, useful learning aids for people is a text they know already, which allows them to focus on the specific words of the new language. Various recorded readings and translations of the [[Bible]] are among the best examples of this. Any efforts to try to enhance this vital means of informing a large segment of our readership is more than welcome. People interested in helping develop it are encouraged to leave a note regarding their specific articles of interest at the [[WT:X|Christianity noticeboard]]. It would be wonderful if we could report some significant contributions to this sister site next month. And, of course, if we do have something to report, those involved would receive our greatest thanks. 

'''Christian art'''<br>
[[File:Cortona Guardian Angel 01.jpg|thumb|center|200px]]

<center>''The Guardian Angel'' by [[Pietro da Cortona]]. </center>
  

'''Spotlight'''<br>
[[File:John Calvin - best likeness.jpg|left|40px]] 
[[WP:Calvin|WikiProject Calvinism]] is one of our more important subprojects. It is specifically devoted to developing content relating to the Calvinist tradition, and the primary point for development of content relating to the [[Pilgrim (Plymouth Colony)|Pilgrims]], [[Presbyterians]], [[Reformed churches]], [[Congregational church]], [[Reformed Baptists]], and [[Low church]]. We definitely encourage everyone to do what they can to help this project develop the content relating to this extremely important Christian tradition. 


'''I believe'''<br>
... that human nature is insufficient for salvation, and the grace of God is required to do so. I believe that God has preordained who will and will not achieve salvation. I believe that Jesus's atonement was sufficient for the purposes for which it was done. I believe that God's grace is of such power that it can overcome any person's resistance. I believe that those whom God has chosen for salvation will, by the undeniable power of God, persevere in God's grace. I am a [[Calvinist]].


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== WikiProject Christianity October 2012 newsletter ==

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'''Membership report'''<br>
The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 347 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, [[User:Dplcrnj]], [[User:Danmuz]], [[User:Zigzig20s]], and [[User:Jasonasosa]]. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the [[WT:X|Christianity noticeboard]] or with me or other individual editors to request it. 


'''From the Editor'''<br>
''Ichthus'' is one of the ways that the WikiProject Christianity’s [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity/Outreach|Outreach]] department helps update our members. This newsletter is one of the ways we do try to help people keep up with the project. We would always welcome any input for things to be included in it or additional editors to keep it going. Please let us know if there are changes you would like to see in the format, or if there are any particular things you would like to see included. And if you have anything you would personally like to add, by all means let us know. The talk page of the current issue is probably the best place to post such comments.   
 
With that, I wish you all happy reading!

P.S. Please [{{fullurl:Wikipedia talk:Christianity noticeboard|action=watch}} click here] to add the new [[WT:X|Christianity noticeboard]] to your watchlist to follow the latest discussions relevant to WikiProject Christianity and subprojects. 

<small>By [[user:John Carter|John Carter]]</small>


'''Church of the month'''<br>
<center>[[File:Basel - Pauluskirche1.jpg|200px]]<br>
by [[:User:Taxiarchos228]], recently promoted to Featured Image</center>
<center>[[St. Paul's Church, Basel]]</center>


'''Contest of the month'''<br>
For the upcoming month, the contest will be to develop content related to the [[Christmas]] season, including Advent and other related topics. Please feel free to see and take part in the discussion at [[Wikipedia talk:Christianity noticeboard#Contest of the month - Advent/Christmas content]].  

One of last month's challenge articles, [[Rudolf Sohm]], has been substantially developed by [[User:Jack1956]] and [[User:StAnselm]]. Our deepest thanks to both of them!! 

'''Calendar'''<br>
Thie coming month (mid-October through mid-November) includes [[All Saints' Day]] and [[All Souls' Day]] and major commemorations dedicated to the honor of the [[Ignatius of Antioch]], [[Luke the Evangelist]], [[Simon the Canaanite]], [[Saint Jude]], the dedication of the [[Lateran Basilica]], the beginning of the [[Nativity Fast]], [[James of Jerusalem]], [[Reformation Day]], and others. 
  

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'''Featured content and GA report'''<br>
Since the last report, [[Augustinian theodicy]] by [[User:ItsZippy]] was promoted to FA. [[Grade I listed churches in Merseyside]] by [[User:Peter I. Vardy]] was promoted to Featured List. The images in the ''Church of the Month'' and ''Christian art'' sections of this newsletter were promoted to Featured Picture status. [[John Wheelwright]] by [[User:Sarnold17]], [[Christmas Party (The Office)]] by [[User:Gen. Quon]] and ''[[If We Are the Body]]'' by [[User:Toa Nidhiki05]], were promoted to GA level.  DYKs featured this past month include [[Cathedral of Saint Demetrius, Craiova]], by [[User:Biruitorul]], [[Nerses IV the Gracious]] by [[User:John Carter]], [[Church of St Candida and Holy Cross]] by [[User:BarretB]], [[St Laurence's Church, Morland]] by [[User:Peter I. Vardy]], [[St Mary's Church, Longfleet]] by [[User:Bermicourt]], [[Chor von St. Bonifatius]] by [[User:Gerda Arendt]], [[St Andrew's Church, Penrith]] by [[User:Peter I. Vardy]], [[Holy Rosary Cathedral (Vancouver)]] by [[User:Bloom6132]], [[Sacred Heart Cathedral (Kamloops)]] by [[User:Bloom6132]], [[St Columba's Church, Warcop]] by [[User:Peter I. Vardy]], [[St Oswald's Church, Ravenstonedale]] by [[User:Peter I. Vardy]], and [[W. E. Biederwolf]] by [[User:John Foxe]]. Our profoundest thanks and congratulations to all those involved!

'''Christian art'''<br>
[[File:John Henry Newman by Sir John Everett Millais, 1st Bt.jpg|thumb|center|200px]]

<center>Portrait of [[John Henry Newman]] by Sir [[John Everett Millais]]. </center>
<center>This image was promoted this past month to FM by the work of [[User:Spongie555]]. Thank you, Spongie! </center>
'''Spotlight'''<br>
[[File:Wikipe-tan in Santa Costume.png|left|40px]] 
[[WP:XMAS|WikiProject Holidays/Christmas task force]] is the group whose purpose is to help develop the content related to the Christmas season, including Advent, New Year's, and related holidays. As many of us know, in several parts of the world, including the United States, the Christmas season is not only the time of one of the greatest holidays of the Christian liturgical year, but it is also the "make or break" time for many retailers, whose profitability for the year often depends on their success in this time of the giving of sometimes significantly expensive gifts. In other parts of the world, the winter solstice period and sometimes specifically Christmas itself means something that might surprise many Christians, like the [[Christmas in Japan]], where Christmas is one of the times hotels receive the greatest number of, often unmarried, couples staying there for the night. The solstice season is also significant to several other religions. Many of these days are also legal holidays in several places. In Belarus, for instance, both the Western and Eastern Christmas commemorations are legal holidays. We would certainly welcome the members of this project to donate some of their time and talents in the upcoming months to improving this significant content.  



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== Response ==

Jesus expected us to think--he told parables that '''require''' thinking. Consider this parable:  Black slaves in America 150 years ago couldn't read and had no theology, but they "heard" God calling His people out of slavery and recognized themselves as called.  They heard what their educated Christian slave owners couldn't hear.<br />
 
I have Bernard McGinn's 1st volume of The Foundations of Mysticism.  He certainly is a reliable source and a conscientious scholar; the bibliography of that volume is 40 pages long and he can cover it all. But I sought his definition of mysticism and saw how he struggled page after page.  I also have 3 books by Teresa of Avila who describes her personal experiences as a mystic.  Even if there was a lack of shared vocabulary, and she tends to wander and repeat herself she is clearer than McGinn. The evangelist John was also a mystic.  He said "God '''IS''' Love" --which is much clearer and shorter than either of them.  He's talking about agape Love, and God certainly is the origin of our '''capacity''' to love.<br />

== WikiProject:REHAB update ==

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== Talkback ==

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== WikiProject Christianity Newsletter (June 2013) ==

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'''From the Editor'''<br>
[[File:ბუმბული.png|left|50px]]Since its formation in 2006, WikiProject Christianity has come a long way. A significant number of new articles have appeared on a wide range of topics, and the quality of some key articles has seen dramatic improvement. Yet, by the very nature of the open, [[crowd-sourced]] development environment in which we operate, as the number of pages in the project has increased at times our attention has been naturally diluted. We should of course strive for quality everywhere, but we should remember that this newsletter is called [[Ichthys|Ichthus]].

Starting this month we will start a "Focus on" series, where we will try to "bring Jesus back" and focus on him. For five consecutive issues we will focus on one aspect of the study of Jesus. The goal of this series is to inform our members of what the project contains and highlight those articles which have reached quality and stability. 

From this month until November we will focus on the historical Jesus, a topic which has been the subject of much discussion on article talk pages, as well as the general media. This is an important topic, and we have a good set of well referenced articles on that now. Then, starting in December we will focus on Christ, and the spiritual and theological elements that the title entails. Following that the review of the life and ministry of Jesus in the New Testament, his miracles, and parables will take place. And each month the "Bookshelf" will mention a book that fits the theme of the month.

We hope you will enjoy this journey as we present a new aspect of Jesus each month. And given that as the number of project pages increases, the ratio of those watching the pages declines, we hope that more of you will watch some of these central pages that help define this project.


'''Church of the month'''<br>
[[File:Church of All Saints, Winthorpe - geograph.org.uk - 1117642.jpg|150px|center]]
The current building of [[All Saints' Church, Winthorpe]] in [[Nottinghamshire]], England which was completed in 1888, is at least the third version of the church, which dates back to at least the early 13th century.


'''Good articles and DYKs'''<br>
The article [[Jesus]] received the [[WP:GA|good article]] mark last month, as did [[Cleeve Abbey]]. A number of churches were featured on the main page in the [[WP:DYK|DYK]] section in May, namely [[St. Lamberti, Hildesheim]], [[Karja church]], [[Braaby Church]], [[St Patrick's Church, Liverpool|St Patrick's Liverpool]], [[Vlah Church]], [[Freerslev Church]], [[Cathedral of Our Lady of the Assumption, Mata-Utu]], [[St. Michael's Cathedral (Sitka, Alaska)]], [[St. Lamberti, Hildesheim]], [[Karja church]], [[Braaby Church]], [[St. Pierre Cathedral, Saint-Pierre]], [[Mont Saint Michel Abbey]], [[St Patrick's Church, Liverpool]], [[Vlah Church]], [[St Catherine of Siena Church, Cocking]], [[Catedral Nuestra Señora de La Asunción]], [[Roholte Church]], [[Notre Dame Cathedral, Taiohae]], [[Leicester Abbey]], [[Caracas Cathedral]], [[Caldey Abbey]], [[King's Mead Priory]], [[Cathedral of the Immaculate Conception (Hong Kong)]] and[[All Saints' Church, Winthorpe]], as well as the hymn [[What Wondrous Love Is This]].
 
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'''Focus on...'''<br>
[[File:Christ icon.jpg|left|100px]] 
<BIG>T</BIG>HE</br>
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Did Jesus exist? Did he walk the streets of Jerusalem? The '''[[Historicity of Jesus]]''' article answers these questions with a firm affirmative. Historicity does not discuss if Jesus walked on water, but if he walked at all. The issue was the subject of scholarly debate before the end of last century, but the academic debate is almost over now. As the article discusses, virtually all academic opposition to the existence of Jesus has evaporated away now and scholars see it as a concluded issue. The discussion is now just among mostly self-published non-academics. 

In 2011 [[John Dickson (author)|John Dickson]] tweeted that if anyone finds a professor of history who denies that Jesus lived,[http://www.abc.net.au/religion/articles/2012/12/24/3660194.htm he would eat a page] of his Bible (Matthew 1 he said). Dickson's Bible is still safe. 

The article discusses the ancient sources that relate to Jesus and how they fit together to establish that he existed. The evidence for Jesus is not just based on the Christian gospels, but by inter-relating them with non-Christian sources, and the fact that they all "fit together". Moreover, the existence of Jesus is not supported just by Christian scholars and in recent years the detailed knowledge of Jewish scholars and their discoveries (e.g. [[Shlomo Pines]]' discovery of the [[Josephus on Jesus|Syriac Josephus]]) has proven highly beneficial. We encourage you to read and follow the article, for the existence of Jesus is central to the existence of Christianity.

'''From the bookshelf'''<br>
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[[File:Soli deo gloria.jpg|thumb|right|100px|A Handel manuscript]] 
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== [[Animal Shelter]] ==

Hello John, I've responded to your query at [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Jainism#Animal_shelter]]. Thank you.--[[User:Aayush18|Aayush18]] ([[User talk:Aayush18|talk]]) 18:40, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

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== Even-handedness ==

Perhaps, to appear even-handed, you could take a look at this issue [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Brahma_Kumaris_World_Spiritual_University#Brahma_Kumari_Single_Purpose_Accounts] and suggest a way forward because it has been going on for sometime and it somewhat tiresome? The most recent batch are being inspired/coordinated off wiki from within the Brahma Kumari movement. 

I think overall, given what is going on, I've been patient beyond reason. You're coming in to a discussion that has been going on for some time. If I, or we, can encourage them to contribute to the Wikipedia more widely, then it will all have been worth it. But, frankly, I don't think they are interested in doing so and are just SPAs. 

And before you accuse the same of myself, I do and would love to do moreso myself by they tend to end up consuming most what voluntary time I have have. --[[User:Januarythe18th|Januarythe18th]] ([[User talk:Januarythe18th|talk]])�

::I wonder why the following list of single-purpose-accounts are not in Januarythe18th's list: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Lucyintheskywithdada/Archive], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Brahma_Kumaris#Log_of_blocks_and_bans]. [[User:GreyWinterOwl|GreyWinterOwl]] ([[User talk:GreyWinterOwl|talk]]) 16:37, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

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== Resources for BK article ==

Hi John Carter,
Many thanks for the offer on the article talk page....It would be great to access the resources you are mentioning, but don't know how to send you an email...I have sent one once before but can't figure out how I did it - sorry. Regards [[User:Danh108|Danh108]] ([[User talk:Danh108|talk]]) 20:01, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

{{you've got mail}} :-)

: John Carter, I have emailed you to get access to the resources offered on BKWSU talk page. Thank you in advance. [[User:Changeisconstant|Changeisconstant]] ([[User talk:Changeisconstant|talk]]) 20:43, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Check your e-mails, you both should have the early material at this point. I also am going to try to download the articles from JSTOR, which can't be e-mailed from that site, and forward them to you both as well. [[User:John Carter|John Carter]] ([[User talk:John Carter#top|talk]]) 20:48, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
: Thank you, have got your emails  [[User:Changeisconstant|Changeisconstant]] ([[User talk:Changeisconstant|talk]]) 20:55, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

::Hello, I am also interested in the material, but don't know how to send an email. I appreciate any help. [[User:GreyWinterOwl|GreyWinterOwl]] ([[User talk:GreyWinterOwl|talk]]) 01:09, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

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== Ramtha's School of Enlightenment ==

Hi there! Thanks for your message on the Ramtha's discussion page. I'll keep an eye out for your comments. [[User:Calstarry|Calstarry]] ([[User talk:Calstarry|talk]]) 17:37, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

== Brahma Kumaris - a kind request ==

Hi John, the disruptive editor recently crossed the line and has been blocked. However mud can stick a bit, so it would be really good if you or someone with NRM experience who is independent and well established on Wikipedia could be involved in the repair of the article. I have posted a very similar message on Adjwilley's talk page in case he can keep a supervisory eye too/instead. I'm sure there will still be disagreements, but at least it should be civilised now. Regards [[User:Danh108|Danh108]] ([[User talk:Danh108|talk]]) 05:33, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

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== Januarythe18th is back with an obvious sock and disrupting the Brahma Kumaris page ==

Hi, John. If you have time, it would be much appreciated if you help to deal with the user. We also mentioned the problem on the talk page of BKWSU. [[User:GreyWinterOwl|GreyWinterOwl]] ([[User talk:GreyWinterOwl|talk]]) 16:34, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
: John , January has justified on his talk page the reason for outing being to show BK association  of dan - just to share that danh108 has clearly stated his association with BKs on his user page so doesn't look like it was done to provide any additional evidence and probably a red herring. Other editors have repeatedly asked to present evidence for repeated tagteam accusations. [[User:Changeisconstant|Changeisconstant]] ([[User talk:Changeisconstant|talk]]) 22:39, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

== Request for comment on article improvement ==

Hi John Carter.

I saw your comment regarding basic construction of religion articles at DRN.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ADispute_resolution_noticeboard&diff=577061978&oldid=577056858] I have created a To-Do list of needed improvements on the article for La Luz del Mundo Church and would like to get your input. The list is found here: [[Talk:La_Luz_del_Mundo#FAC_To-do_list]]. Thanks! <b><i><font color="#D2691E">Ajax F¡ore</font></i></b><sub>[[User_talk:Ajaxfiore|talk]]</sub> 23:57, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

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== Appropriate conduct responding to unblock requests ==

:Hi John, seeing these repeated unblock requests that so badly mis-inform admin about what actually happens really tempts me to post comments. For example, the outing comments were actually made ''in response to me cautioning January about use of off-Wiki information'' where I quotied part of the outing policy to January. It was ''never'' provided in response to a request for evidence. It seems this wasn't picked up in the first appeal rejection - presumably because OS has taken those diffs away. There are a couple of other aspects misrepresented.
:January states he doesn't know this new editor (June 24th), but June24th's comments indicate they clearly know him and support his views, so if not sock, meat seems highly likely given the proximity in time, choice of names, similar sounding rant etc.
:However, is it appropriate for me to say anything about either of these? I have no idea how admin view these things or whether there is some sort of protocol. Words of wisdom would be great - and if it's advice to comment, I would intend reference that in my comment.

:On a separate note, there is a new sample introductory paragraph for the lede on the article talk page that will hopefully have accurately captured the sense of what you wanted to express.
:BIG thanks for the time you have taken in this - the resources, stepping in to protect from others 'bullying' tactics, and lots more. Much appreciated. Kind Regards [[User:Danh108|Danh108]] ([[User talk:Danh108|talk]]) 15:52, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

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== Do you want to collaborate in the edition of [[Jessie J]]'s page? ==

Hi John or should I call you Dr. House?, jajaja, joking. I'm JD3rulo, the thing is that I'm a huge fan of Jessie J, I have made changes in her page, but other users have removed them, replying that the links I referred to don't belong to reliable sources. So I'm wondering if you could dedicate part of your time in helping me to fill some topics that are abandoned, such as Jessie J's vocal type, range and also writing updated news about her career lately. I hope you can help me, cause it seems Jessie's page has been forgotten. If you need some help to write about any article or making research, you can count on me, so this is the only thing I can give you: my friendship to make wikipedia a better and updated site. Chao, have a nice day![[User:JD3rulo|JD3rulo]] ([[User talk:JD3rulo|talk]]) 00:18, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

== Mail notification ==

{{you've got mail}} Re ''Flows of Faith'' reference inquiry.[[User:Danh108|Danh108]] ([[User talk:Danh108|talk]]) 18:25, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

== Email ==

{{You've got mail}}  [[User:Halo Jerk1|Halo Jerk1]] ([[User talk:Halo Jerk1|talk]]) 18:42, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

== Ramtha's School of Enlightenment ==

Hi there John Carter! I wanted to let you know I responded to your message on my discussion page. [[User:Calstarry|Calstarry]] ([[User talk:Calstarry|talk]]) 20:37, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

:Hi again! I did some looking online and found the essay you mentioned on Amazon. I can even view the whole thing so I'm going to read that and see if there is anything I can add into my draft. I'll let you know when I've done this. While I'm working on this, is there anything else that jumped out at you about what I've put together? [[User:Calstarry|Calstarry]] ([[User talk:Calstarry|talk]]) 14:51, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

::Hi! I wanted to let you know that I've read the Melton essay I was able to find on Amazon and I've added some new information to my draft. You can see the updated draft here: '''[[User:Calstarry/Ramtha%27s_School_draft|Ramtha's School draft]]'''. How does it look to you now that this source has been added? 

::Also, I responded to your comment on the Ramtha's discussion page about breaking all this information up into three separate pages. [[User:Calstarry|Calstarry]] ([[User talk:Calstarry|talk]]) 22:03, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

:::It seems like everyone has been busy in other places this week so I wanted to check in before the weekend and see if you might have time to return to the Ramtha's discussion page soon. I hope you'll be able to look at my draft soon. [[User:Calstarry|Calstarry]] ([[User talk:Calstarry|talk]]) 20:27, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

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== Comments on proposed findings ==

Hi John, would you please have a look through the comments you made on Carcharoth's proposals. There is at least one comment (re Ignocrates) that you would probably be best placed to either strike or redact. '''[[User:Callanecc|Callanecc]]''' ([[User talk:Callanecc|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Callanecc|contribs]] • [[Special:Log/Callanecc|logs]]) 00:42, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

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== Question ==

Greetings, Regarding your posting on various talk page discussions about articles from [[Encyclopaedia of Religion and Ethics]] I have a question:
*Did you checked the reply on wikisource [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Scriptorium/Help/Archives/2013#Noob_with_questions here] and [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2013-08#Upload_of_Encyclopedia_of_Religion_and_Ethics_required.2C_if_already_available_at_archive.org.3F here]? 
Your idea seems great to me but unfortunately pdf files uploaded at commons is of no use to wikisource which requires '''[[DjVu]]''' format for proofreading. [[User:Solomon7968|Solomon]][[User talk:Solomon7968|7968]] 16:47, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

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== Rich people ==

[[File:Farm-Fresh eye.png|15px|link=|alt=]] Hey John—based on your interest in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Proposals&oldid=153021617#Business_people the Business people project], I thought you may want to see [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography#Rich people]]. [[File:Eye close font awesome.svg|14px|link=user:czar/watching|I am no longer watching this page—whisperback if you'd like a response]]&nbsp;<span style='font:1.1em"Avenir";padding:1px 3px;border:1px solid #909'><span style="color:#909;">czar</span>&nbsp;[[User:Czar|<span style="color:#909;">♔</span>]]</span> 03:00, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

== Proposed decision posted ==

Hi John this is purely a courtesy message to make sure you're aware that the proposed decision on the Ebionites 3 case has been posted. A [[WP:IBAN|mutual interaction ban]] between yourself and Ignocrates, as well as a [[WP:TBAN]] from the Ebionites area have been [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Ebionites 3/Proposed decision#Proposed remedies|proposed]]. Please make any comments on the [[Wikipedia talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Ebionites 3/Proposed decision|talk page]], the [[WP:A/G#Decisions|guide to arbitration]] may also be of assistance. Regards, '''[[User:Callanecc|Callanecc]]''' ([[User talk:Callanecc|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Callanecc|contribs]] • [[Special:Log/Callanecc|logs]]) 05:32, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

== Books and Bytes: The Wikipedia Library Newsletter ==

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<p>Volume 1, Issue 1, October 2013</p>
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<p>by {{user|The Interior}}, {{user|Ocaasi}}</p></div>
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== Editor of the Week: comparatively fewer individuals on the not-favoring-Israel side?? ==

I am sorry to read your sentence: ''" the POV pushers on the other side tend to outnumber by big numbers those comparatively fewer individuals on the not-favoring-Israel side''" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Nishidani#Editor_of_the_Week). I am an Israeli and I wonder what is the source of this view?

I am sorry to say that Arab - Israeli conflict Articles here, are full of Anti Israel POV. e.g. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Plan_Dalet#the_article_has_POV_and_.22dubious.22_problems "Plan D"-the article has POV and "dubious" problems].  It is a straight forward job to list such problems in the other Arab - Israeli conflict Articles. However, I realized that a lot of my well supported editing is deleted by pro Arab users, so it is a waste of my time to list those problems. 

Some of those pro Arab users tactics are on the verge of WP  policies or "petit crime" (WP rules that no one care about it). They use:
# The rule is: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view#Achieving_neutrality ''do not remove sourced information from the encyclopedia solely on the grounds that it seems biased. Instead, try to rewrite the passage'']. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=1948_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_War&diff=next&oldid=557224782 an example Diff page]. the deletion reason:''blatant pov ; wp-undue''. Even if the reason was correct , it should have been rewritten. But it was deleted, and during the last 4 months an important section the is missing. I guess it will take some time before it will be re-written.
# removing a well supported sentence and replacing it with an unsupported one. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=1947%E2%80%9348_Civil_War_in_Mandatory_Palestine&diff=prev&oldid=577023830 an example Diff page].
# remove a long quote of a respected  (by both sides) [[wp:rs]] for no reason (I consider "useless" = no reason). [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=1947%E2%80%9348_Civil_War_in_Mandatory_Palestine&diff=prev&oldid=577021151 an example Diff page].
# While I try to focus the argument, some of them tend  [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard/Archive_77#Kfar_Etzion_massacre to do the opposite]: generalizing, accusing me of writing sentences which are not mine, reply to my (supposedly) claims which are not mine etc. I feel like being in a war of attrition.

Those users take advantage of inactive WP dispute mechanisms. In my limited experience [[WP:Dispute resolution]] is useless. (sorry for the harsh words).e.g. This is my experience during the last months:
# [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard/Archive_78#Six-Day_War.23Events:_Israel_-_Syria_.3B_Syria_diversion_plan DRN expired with no solution.] The other side changed his mind and left the discussion.
# [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard/Archive_78#1948_Palestine_war  DRN expired with no solution.] The other sites respond was not what he was asked for by the volunteer. The volunteer could not continue.
# [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard/Archive_77#Kfar_Etzion_massacre DRN expired with no solution]. No volunteer.
# [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_mediation/Kfar_Etzion_massacre "Requests for mediation/Kfar Etzion massacre" have not started] The other side declined. 
# [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard/Archive_74#1947.E2.80.9348_Civil_War_in_Mandatory_Palestine DRN expired with no solution] Futile, no participation by one editor; has been refiled at WP:3O
# [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard/Archive_73 "1948 Arab–Israeli War" DRN expired with no solution.] The volunteer could not continue

I am probably wrong sometimes, but as my edits are deleted because of bizarre reasons (e.g. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:1947%E2%80%9348_Civil_War_in_Mandatory_Palestine#to_aua:_Why_did_you_deleted_.22Due_to_the_dangerous_situation_of_the_starved_and_besieged_Jerusalem.2C_Ben_Gurion_ordered_the_operation_Nachshon.7C.22  bad grammar], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine#Trahelliven:_Please_read_WP:TERSE._why_to_complicate_a_simple_term.3F because I am required to prove what the Arab people thought as opposed to what their governments said]), I do not think that I am the problem.


I do not know which sides have more POV pushers (if at all) but the results is definitely anti Israeli POV, in which the anti Israeli fighting include all sort of tricks. [[User:Ykantor|Ykantor]] ([[User talk:Ykantor|talk]]) 12:17, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

:I deduce from the exemples of Ykantor that I would be the problem.
:That's even more funny when one knows that according to ...Nishidani..., I am pro-Israeli. And I confirm that IRL, I am...
:But we are on wikipedia and on wikipedia, we don't fight to defend a community or a thesis or a vision of the world. On wikipedia, we are just writing an Encyclopadia (1st pillar) in sourcing and giving due weight to all relevant points of view (2nd and 3rd pillars) all this in being (sincerely) respecful of all other contributors (4st pillar).
:[[User:Pluto2012|Pluto2012]] ([[User talk:Pluto2012|talk]]) 13:32, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

== WikiCup 2013 October newsletter ==

The WikiCup is over for another year! Our champion, for the second year running, is {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}}. Our final nine were as follows:
#{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}}
#{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Hawkeye7}}
#{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sasata}}
#{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}}
#{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}}
#{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Adam Cuerden}}
#{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Miyagawa}}
#{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Piotrus}}
#{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Ealdgyth}}

All those who reached the final win prizes, and prizes will also be going to the following participants:

*{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} wins the FA prize, for four featured articles in round 4, worth 400 points.
*{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} wins the GA prize, for 20 good articles in round 3, worth 600 points.
*{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Another Believer}} wins the FL prize, for four featured lists in round 2, worth 180 points.
*{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Adam Cuerden}} wins the FP prize, for 23 featured pictures in round 5, worth 805 point.
*{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sven Manguard}} wins the FPo prize, for 2 featured portals in round 3, worth 70 points.
*{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Hawkeye7}} wins the topic prize, for a 23-article featured topic in round 5, worth 230 points.
*{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}} wins the DYK prize, for 79 did you know articles in round 5, worth 570 points.
*{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|ThaddeusB}} wins the ITN prize, for 23 in the news articles in round 4, worth 270 points.
*{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Ed!}} wins the GAR prize, for 24 good article reviews in round 1, worth 96 points.
*The judges are awarding the Oddball Barnstar to {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|The C of E}}, for some curious contributions in earlier rounds.
*Finally, the judges are awarding {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}} the Geography Barnstar for her work on [[sea]], now a featured article. This top-importance article was the highest-scoring this year; when it was promoted to FA status, Cwmhiraeth could claim 720 points.

Prizes will be handed out in the coming weeks. Please be patient!

Congratulations to everyone who has been successful in this year's WikiCup, whether you made it to the final rounds or not, and a particular congratulations to the newcomers to the WikiCup who have achieved this year. Thanks to all who have taken part and helped out with the competition. While it has been an excellent year, errors have opened up the judges' eyes to the need for a third judge, and it is with pleasure that we announce that experienced WikiCup participant [[User:Miyagawa|Miyagawa]] will be acting as a judge from now on. We hope you will all join us in welcoming him to the team.

Next year's competition begins on 1 January. You are invited to '''[[Wikipedia:WikiCup/2014 signups|sign up to participate]]'''; it is open to all Wikipedians, new and old. [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup/Scoring#Next year's competition- brainstorm|Brainstorming and discussion]] remains open for how next year's competition will work, and straw polls will be opened by the judges soon. Those interested in friendly competition may also like to keep an eye on [[User:Casliber/Stub contest|the stub contest]], being organised by Casliber. The WikiCup judges will be back in touch over the coming months, and we hope to see you all in the 2014 competition. Until then, it only remains to once again congratulate our worthy winners, and thank all participants for their involvement! <small>If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/J Milburn|email]]) and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] ([[User talk:The ed17|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/The ed17|email]]) 00:32, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
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