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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by MarydaleEd (talk | contribs) at 00:54, 30 June 2015 (→Request for Assistance). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Welcome!

Hello, MarydaleEd, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your messages on discussion pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question on this page and then place {{helpme}} before the question. Again, welcome! Quadzilla99 (talk) 20:35, 10 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nice work today

On Pre-Code Hollywood. Keep it up! Quadzilla99 (talk) 05:11, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Varieties of English

Hi, MarydaleEd. I've reversed your changes of British spelling to American spelling in the Grammar school article, following the National varieties of English section of the Wikipedia Manual of Style. In this case the article is primarily concerned with institutions in the United Kingdom, and was written in British English. Kanguole 10:36, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Request for Assistance

MarydaleEd, Sorry it is not clear what it is that you require assistance with. Please update this page with details of how we can assist and re-add the helpme template and someone will surely be along to try to advise. Best regards --nonsense ferret 23:30, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

My question was how do I communicate a disagreement with someone's plans to make significant changes to an article. Someone told me to go to that person's Talk page. MarydaleEd (talk) 23:42, 30 October 2013 (UTC) [reply]

changes to an article could be discussed on an article talk page and that would allow all interested editors to participate (for example the talk page for the Grammar school article is at Talk:Grammar_school. Comments that you wish to address to a particular editor are best done on their own talk page, so by way of example my talk page is at User talk:nonsenseferret. Hope this makes sense, do feel free to follow up with anything requiring further clarification. --nonsense ferret 23:49, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
ps. you may find Help:Using_talk_pages particularly useful reading if you have not used talk pages many times before. --nonsense ferret 23:51, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, the talk page material that nonsenseferret pointed you to will help you. For example, remember to sign your username at the end of the comments you make on Wikipedia talk pages. All you have to do to sign your username is simply type four tildes (~), like this: ~~~~. I signed your username for you above. Flyer22 (talk) 02:40, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, Flyer22. nonsenseferret had pretty much covered my question, But I appreciate you signing my comment above. Ironically, in my question above about how to communicate a disagreement with someone's plans to make significant changes to an article, I was referencing a disagreement I have with comments you have made about a certain article. MarydaleEd (talk) 02:57, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome. And, yes, you mean this disagreement. Well, you resolved that with this edit (at least I think it's resolved), which, as you know, I thanked you for via WP:Echo (before my initial comment on your talk page). If you don't understand why I made those changes, even after reading the guidelines I pointed to, I have no problem discussing them with you. I was also thinking that all of the material would fit better under the Personal life heading (it's also standard practice for the Personal life section in Wikipedia biographies to be the last section with regard to the core biographical content). Additionally, I considered titling the section "Personal and later life" (or the vice versa of that), but I prefer simply "Personal life." Flyer22 (talk) 03:22, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You are correct, Flyer22, I don't understand why you did what you did on that edit, but that isn't what I am talking about. That has been resolved and I don't care for an explanation from you clarifying your reasons. I was referring to something totally different. I was referring to comments you made earlier this month in the history of that article. MarydaleEd (talk) 03:32, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'll clarify because it's important that you understand these guidelines when editing at Wikipedia. As noted in the aforementioned edit, I made the heading change because of MOS:PARAGRAPHS and MOS:HEAD. You created a section for a single sentence that did not need to be separated from the section that immediately followed it. You soon added more to that section, but the material still did not need separation...considering that it is three sentences. Per MOS:PARAGRAPHS, "The number of single-sentence paragraphs should be minimized, since they can inhibit the flow of the text; by the same token, paragraphs that exceed a certain length become hard to read. Short paragraphs and single sentences generally do not warrant their own subheading." You also capitalized both words in the heading. Per MOS:HEAD, "headings are in sentence case, not title case."
As for statements of mine at that article from earlier this month, statements you disagree with, you are either referring these and/or these. Why do you disagree with either of those? Flyer22 (talk) 05:04, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I stated, "...I don't care for an explanation from you clarifying your reasons" yet you go into a rambling clarification. I determine what I need and don't need to know, Sir or Madame; not you. You didn't ask me to what I was referring; you assumed you knew and proceeded to ask me why I had a problem with those statements. Well, you were wrong. I feel like I'm having a conversation with a teenager. If I have a problem with your comments enough that I choose to question them in the article Talk section, I will. Otherwise, I am not interested in pursuing this conversation further. Thank you. MarydaleEd (talk) 12:52, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

MarydaleEd, I just now read your latest reply and I don't understand the rudeness at all. You are a generally inexperienced Wikipedia editor, as evidence by the above, and I was trying to help you by informing you of Wikipedia guidelines. There are also Wikipedia policies that you should adhere to, such as WP:Civil and WP:No personal attacks (your latest above reply fails both of those). You may not think that you need to know these guidelines or policies, but Wikipedia editors generally don't get by well on Wikipedia without knowing them, not unless they are sporadic editors who don't interact with other Wikipedia editors much. As for being wrong yet again about what you were referring to, my aforementioned edit summaries above are the only statements I made at the Virginia E. Johnson article last month. Considering that we were discussing the Virginia E. Johnson article above, and you even stated "earlier this month in the history of that article," what else am I to think you were referring to? You could have easily clarified, though I still fail to see what statements you have been referring to if not any of those.
And by the way, I am female (as made clear on my user page). Good night to you. Flyer22 (talk) 00:02, 13 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Flyer22, I have written nothing rude to you. I have been direct and clear. After more than 30 years of serving as editor-in-chief at top-10 market newspapers and magazines throughout the country, I don't need interference from you prompting me about Wikipedia rules. If I have questions, I will ask, as evidenced by above. (And, you might want to check your own grammar when you attempted to use that very phrase in your comment above.) I have nothing to say to you and would appreciate it if you would refrain from interfering in my business here when there have been no violations. If I make a mistake, then anyone may bring that to my attention. However, I have made none, except when I forgot to sign my comments, and I thanked you for that. Otherwise, as I stated before, I am not interested in pursuing this conversation further, so please respect my wishes. MarydaleEd (talk) 00:47, 13 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

MarydaleEd, the tone that you came at me with in your "12:52, 31 October 2013 (UTC)" reply is what I consider to be rude, and violates WP:Civil and WP:No personal attacks. Stating "I feel like I'm having a conversation with a teenager." is most assuredly a personal attack (by Wikipedia standards and in general). Trying to help you with Wikipedia guidelines was not about trying to improve your grammar; the aforementioned issues I had with your edits, as already noted, were a result of you not adhering to Wikipedia formatting issues. I understand that you did not know about those guidelines, but those edits were mistakes (based on those guideline). As for my grammar, yes, I see that I made a typo; "evidence" was supposed to be "evidenced." If my use of "the" in that wording was also wrong, while your leaving "the" out of it is correct, okay.
I did not mean to agitate/upset you, and I apologize for having done so. I also apologize if this latest response by me has agitated/upset you; I just want you to know where I was coming from on this matter and that I meant no ill will. I will stop responding to you about this now. Flyer22 (talk) 01:27, 13 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, my heavens. Young lady, do you not know when you are being asked to leave? How have you not figured out that I don't care what you have to say? Why would I? You STILL haven't understood the issue here and you STILL talk like a child. If you find that offensive then quit doing it. Now, LEAVE ME ALONE. If you continue to harass me, then you will leave me no choice but to report you. Got it? Do Not Leave Me Any More Messages.

Wow! It's been a while since I've seen such a rude and condescending response to an experienced editor who was only trying to help. Coming from a newbie makes it especially egregious. Please tone down the rhetoric and be polite. Treat other editors with respect and you'll get along here. If you don't get along with other editors, your career here will be very short. We try to create a collaborative atmosphere here, and your responses above only poison that atmosphere. Everyone should feel welcome on your talk page. It is your duty to create that atmosphere. Keep in mind that you do not own this talk page. Other editors have a right to access it and make comments, as long as they are behaving and following policies. Flyer22 did nothing wrong, so treat her better.
Incivility will not be tolerated. You may think that your vast experience elsewhere will get you some type of special treatment, but I know of administrators here who are 13-14 years old who act more politely, maturely, and who understand how Wikipedia works better than any of us on this page. We don't give special treatment to anyone, even Nobel Prize laureates, and regularly block high level professionals in their fields from editing because they refuse to cooperate and are uncivil. We don't need the grief. So, can we just start all over again? I hope I don't see this type of thing anymore. -- Brangifer (talk) 04:22, 13 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I am just now reading this and I would like to respond to BullRangifer's posting above. As you can see, I thanked the editor in question for her assistance where it was needed, and explained to her that I was not interested in further discussion, since the issue that caused me to reach out for help had been explained to me fully and satisfactorily by another editor. I regret that I didn't end the reply there instead of adding that my concern actually stemmed from her stated plans for an article, plans with which I disagreed. Strangely, this editor never once asked me the source of my disagreement; she kept assuming she knew and explaining the areas that she (incorrectly) thought had caused my concern. Quite frankly, I think having a teenager dictate rules to me after I'd asked her to stop the conversation offended my sensitivities, especially given my decades of experience (which I do understand don't necessarily translate into decades of Wikipedia experience). Further research of this editor revealed she'd had several problems with other editors resulting in warnings, which served only to further justify my assessment of her and the situation. But the truth is, as someone who is older, more experienced and wiser, I should have known better than to respond like a petulant child. For that, I sincerely apologize. It certainly wasn't one of my proudest moments. While I prefer this editor to refrain from involving herself in my business here, your words are well placed, BullRangifer, and I will heed them happily. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. -- MarydaleEd (talk) 02:12, 10 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]


To expand on my apology for interacting with an editor here "like a petulant child," I should broaden my apology to BullRangifer to ensure that there is no doubt remaining in my take on this exchange. When I say that I acted as "a petulant child," that indicates that I was wrong in the way I responded to an editor here who was trying to help me. In my explanation and apology above, I am explaining the way I felt, not justifying it. I am trying to explain to anyone interested what went into my thinking at the time I was writing so that my frame of mind at that point would be understood. I further indicate that the thoughts and feelings that led up to my responding to the editor as I did were nothing more than the behavior of a petulant child, behavior for which I "sincerely apologize(d)." I am concerned, however, that my point was not clear, so I would like to expound on it. Without qualification, I completely apologize for the harshness of my words in the issue at hand. I was wrong in my response to an editor trying to help. In my apology immediately above this post, I was only attempting to explain my frame of mind that led up to me responding as I did. Following laying out for everyone to see what was going through my head at the time, I went on to "sincerely apologize," which I am happy to do again. It is unlike me to speak in such harsh words and tone to anyone, and I am sorry I did so here. I may disagree with someone in the future, but if I do, it will be with the utmost courtesy, respect and kindness. I would like to mention here that I am confused about who is involved in this issue. Sometimes I think I am dealing with an editor named Flyer22, and sometimes I think I am dealing with an editor named BullRangifer. And all of the time, it appears to me that they are the same person. Surely, they are not, so I would like it to be known that I am confused about that, although it has no bearing on my apology. I would like to also apologize to anyone else who read the exchange between myself and an editor here, whomever that editor may be. I am sorry that you had to read such harsh and ugly words from me. The only thing I can think of that might had caused such harshness to come from me that is so out of character is that during the time of the exchange, I had just been diagnosed with mononucleosis, which was a serious illness for someone my age, and I was on a tremendous amount of medication at the time. I don't know if that had any bearing on my behavior, but I will say that my husband has told me that I was difficult to live with during that time, and after 30 years of marriage, we usually have a very harmonious relationship. Well, that's all I have to say on this matter and I hope this brings about the end of it so I can wipe the slate clean and start all over...

...Hello, I would like to introduce myself. I am a new editor named MarydaleEd and I am looking forward to working with the Wikipedia community to help maintain the highest quality of articles. My work here will probably be limited to correcting grammar or style errors within the articles. I am a former editor with 30 years of experience, although I know that despite my life's work, I am a newbie here at Wikipedia. If I make any mistakes in my effort to bring about flawless writing here, I welcome more seasoned editors who are more experienced here at Wikipedia to bring those mistakes to my attention. Such assistance will be met with great appreciation. That's all I have to say, except I look forward to a long, positive relationship with Wikipedia and its community. Thank you, and I'll see you on the pages of Wikipedia! MarydaleEd (talk) 14:18, 19 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]


I just popped in here today and read my feeble attempt above to apologize for bad behavior I'd exhibited earlier, but I didn't go far enough. The real truth never came out, and I thought it was time I came clean. So, I have spent hours this afternoon and evening writing and rewriting explanations – about my actions and about what it was that really led me to be so impassioned. And moments ago, I finally finished my long post and began to click on "Save page" when I was stopped in my tracks. I looked over my words and realized something. There is a reason God brought me back here today and what I've been slaving over this afternoon wasn't it. It was all wrong. So I deleted it. Every word of it. I am going to start again.

Who I am and what I said to someone almost two years ago is of no concern to anyone, I know that. There is not something about God bringing me back here that makes me or my words of any new importance. I'm sure the people involved have no more interest in the exchange that occurred between Flyer22, a couple of other editors and me in October of 2013. This is, however, important to me now because God has brought to my attention that it is important to Him.

Flyer22, I owe you my deepest apologies for my words and behavior in October 2013. You were right and I was wrong – at so many levels. You conducted yourself with professionalism, patience and kindness despite the ugliness I was throwing at you. You are to be commended for your handling of this situation, and it should be used to teach other editors how to handle themselves in the face of a disrespectful, ugly, self-important jerk. To the other two editors who came to Flyer22's defense, please accept my apology for my behavior not only toward the two of you, but also to Flyer22. I am so sorry you had to read that.

I give no one any explanations, excuses, discussions of illnesses, complications or reasons for my hatefulness. I deserve no such consideration. What I need to say here is not complicated; it is very simple. Flyer22 was absolutely right and behaved well, and I was absolutely wrong and behaved atrociously. I am embarrassed and ashamed of myself. I will not come back here and offer any further observations about this black eye on my Talk page. This is final. To all concerned, please accept my profound and sincere apologies. I am so very sorry for how I treated you. I was wrong. God bless you all. MarydaleEd (talk) 00:49, 30 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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