User talk:Sodabottle

2010 is not over

Since 2010 is not over, plz do not put any data of 2010 on, because it is PROJECTED, it is not real. It is childish to make it LOOKS better.

It is YOU to change 2009 data back to 2010

You are the one who is making an unsourced data of 2010 I am the one who is changing the data back to 2009 watch carefully. So stop changing the data back to 2010, since there is no real 2010 data comes out, it is all PROJECTED.

Wikipedia:Pending changes/Straw poll on interim usage

Hi. As you recently commented in the straw poll regarding the ongoing usage and trial of Pending changes, this is to notify you that there is an interim straw poll with regard to keeping the tool switched on or switching it off while improvements are worked on and due for release on November 9, 2010. This new poll is only in regard to this issue and sets no precedent for any future usage. Your input on this issue is greatly appreciated. Off2riorob (talk) 23:49, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

FYI

Just want to make sure I notify both sides of the relevant debate per WP:Canvass - a discussion related to Famine in india is on at: [1] Zuggernaut (talk) 00:06, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

We are reaching a resolution

Hi, please look at my last comment here and help resolve the issue to a conclusion. Amartya ray2001 (talk) 14:32, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

congratulations

for becoming admin. --CarTick 19:06, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

thanks!. we could do with your help there. lotsa work to be done ;-)--Sodabottle (talk) 19:14, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

i know. some day. :) i am assuming your move there is based on your belief English wikipedia is still not very useful for a large number of Tamil wikipedia users. I have been trying to convert a lot of my friends into wikipedia users and so far I havent had any success. good luck. --CarTick 19:19, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Your assumption is partly correct. My experience at the semmozhi manaadu was an eyeopener. There is great demand for solid Tamil content and its upto us to step up. But there is a more selfish motive to my move. I first went there to try and win a laptop (failed miserably ;-)). Then i started writing Tamil books and now i need to polish up my long dormant tamil language skills.

And we have started a campaign to kidnap En wiki Tamil contributors to ta. wiki. LogicWiki is our newest recruit. ;-). So i thought i would make the pitch to you too. The best thing there is there are very few edit wars going on and i have a clear field to produce content rapidly. Sometimes it is like an echo chamber, where one is operating alone, but amazing amount of work gets done--Sodabottle (talk) 19:27, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

i believe you. it would be easy to translate featured articles from English wikipedia. My Tamil is not very good and still havent figured out how to write in Tamil online. --CarTick 19:31, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

I use NHM writer for phonetic transliteration. There is an alternate and faster method called tamill99, but it has a steeper learning curve. If you use linux, SCIM packages are available.--Sodabottle (talk) 19:35, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

will try. and good luck for your book writing. is it fiction or non-fiction? --CarTick 19:37, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

non-fiction. still not good enough for fiction. hope to get there someday ;-) --Sodabottle (talk) 19:40, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

looking forward to reading ur book someday. --CarTick 19:44, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Wow, congrats! But lets work here as well. Srikanth (Logic) 10:44, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

dont know whom they are going to hire for this.--CarTick 17:40, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

i think they will be hiring only secretarial/clerical staff. User Sundar is a board member of the india chapter. He would know more about the plans. --Sodabottle (talk) 18:48, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Congratulations Bala. Let your tireless contribution continue in Thamizh wiki too. Let Thamizh community across the globe get benefitted from your valuable contributions. Wasifwasif (talk) 13:58, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Wasif--Sodabottle (talk) 14:12, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Hey, congratulations! Will we have to make you an admin to keep you contributing here as well :) --RegentsPark (talk) 16:06, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Regents. I plan to come back again in a couple of months and then contribute to both wikis.--Sodabottle (talk) 16:21, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

lol

this is funny! --CarTick 21:59, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

we are pitching everyone ;-)--Sodabottle (talk) 03:54, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Help - Using ta.wiki Images in en.wiki

Hi Soda,
Can you help me in using ta.wiki Images in en.Wiki. I want to use ta:படிமம்:Tanjai1000.jpg, ta:படிமம்:Tanjai_stamp.jpg, & ta:படிமம்:Rajarajancoin.jpg Images in en.wiki. Pls help me. ----Raj 6644(தமிழன்) 11:06, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

We can't use cross wiki images. Only commons images can be used across wikis. For these download them to you pc. upload them to en. wiki again with detailed fair use criteria (else they will be deleted)--Sodabottle (talk) 11:13, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Ok. Small request. I know u'll b busy but still can you upload the above ta.wiki images in Commons.WikiM. Because really i'm not conversant in using appropriate Image Copyrights policies. Too many image usage policies. really they are confusing which one to use & how to use. Those are all very informative images & i dont want them to be tagged as CV. Will u pls upload al those. i require it for all expanding Brihadeeswarar Temple - Commemorative Stamp and Coin Release----Raj 6644(தமிழன்) 11:42, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

we can't upload them to commons as the Govt of India owns the copyright and commons does not allow copyrighted or fair use images. They are very strict in this matter. You upload them them to en wiki. i will try to write the fair use rationale properly. (i think en wiki fair use policies won't allow them to illustrate Raja raja, but we can still try)

I think i'm done Soda. Pls have a look unsigned comment added by Raj6644 (talk • contribs) 13:03, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

I have added some more lines to the fair use criteria. But am still not sure, whether these will stand scrutiny (en. wiki sometimes is very strict on fair use and sometimes lenient. So be prepared to accept deletion ;-)). If you want to be absolutely sure, ask Moonriddengirl to take a look. She is our inhouse expert on all copyright issues.--Sodabottle (talk) 13:15, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

First you said Commons is Strict & asked me 2upload in en.wiki!!!. And now "en. wiki sometimes is very strict on fair use" :) God help meeeeee.----Raj 6644(தமிழன்) 13:28, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

copyright is always tough ;-). And our govt keeps all its images to itself. what to do. I should have meant - commons is ultra strict - no fair use images at all. Anyway, ask MRG, she would know right away if they are ok or not. --Sodabottle (talk) 13:33, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

use of fair use images is somewhat against the purpose of what wikipedia is for. we should try to avoid it as much as we could. please try to find a free suitable image. --CarTick 14:51, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Okay, am not expert here, but arent the last 2 images taken from newspaper? Looks like a picture from some tamil daily for me which means the copyright is with them and not the govt.Correct me if am wrong. Srikanth (Logic) 17:46, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

If someone takes a picture of something already copyrighted, they dont own the copyright of the photograph. For example if i take a photo of a 5 rs coin without adding something to the arrangement which changes the presentation significantly, it is still considered a representation of the original coin design. The photos in question faithfully reproduce the govt's image, so GOI is the copyright holder.--Sodabottle (talk) 17:51, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks to every1 for clarifying the Copyrights related issues. Lets see whether the images can withstand the scrutiny. If not then will approach MRG or some1. ----Raj 6644(தமிழன்) 04:22, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Non-free files in your user space

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Ekal Vidyalaya

Something tells me this is going to be a long-term job... Aymatth2 (talk) 13:15, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

True. It is your typical right wing conspiracy ;-). They have money and numerous fanboys among the indian immigrant communities in the west (with all the speedy internet connections). So they will keep on tring to whitewash their article. We will be keeping our fingers in the dyke for a long time ;-)--Sodabottle (talk) 14:24, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

I suppose it is just politics, BJP versus Congress. Other edits have tried to blacken the picture. I suppose some of the USA politics-related articles are worse. I can imagine the edit history on Sarah Palin! Aymatth2 (talk) 15:17, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Check Please

Hi there! Have a look at this arun talk 15:50, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Hey thanks Arun, looks like the sock of the use who was edit warring in kanyakumari district. --Sodabottle (talk) 16:02, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Hello Mr Arun, since you are so much interested in cleaning up the pages by deleting other language scripts, I can give you some job. If you wish and allow me. I can give you pages having other language scripts. For today you plz cleanp (1) North Malabar Gramin Bank (2) Theyyam (3) Kalliasseri. Please clean up these pages. Then tomorrow I will give you another set of three. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Utharamalabar (talk • contribs) 06:44, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Its better. Thank u da. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Utharamalabar (talk • contribs) 07:14, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Soda , Entha Kosu tholla thaanga mudiyala da saamy! ----Raj 6644(தமிழன்) 10:24, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

wikipediala idhellam sadharanamappa ;-)--Sodabottle (talk) 10:30, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

என்ன சாமீ கொசு தொல்ல தாங்க முடியவில்லென்ன குட் நைட் போட்டுவிடப்பா. --Utharamalabar (talk) 12:06, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Dear Utharamalabar, you sound like you can be an useful contributor. In a time, wikipedia suffers from severe shortage of editors, we will be very happy to have you jump into mainstream editing in stead of fighting in the fringes for silly things. --CarTick 13:09, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi Utharamalabar, Our life is very short. Y to waste time in Verbal Battling. We are not going to lose anything here. I'm also like u initially then changed myself. Now u r not a new contributor. U have lot of potential to built good articles. Y cant we focus on so many other topics which is still untouched. Come on Man, lets get out of this. ----Raj 6644(தமிழன்) 04:19, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi Karthik and Raj, ரொம்ப நன்றி for the encouraging words.--Utharamalabar (talk) 05:00, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Flipkart.jpg

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Thanks for uploading File:Flipkart.jpg. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of "file" pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "File" from the dropdown box. Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Skier Dude (talk 03:14, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Hello. The Flipkart logo is surely {{PD-textlogo}} rather than a non-free logo. The textlogo template is for logos which "only consist of typefaces, individual words, slogans, or simple geometric shapes", just like this one. The template goes on to say that "these are not eligible for copyright alone" because the do not cross the threshold of originality. They can be, and are usually, protected by trademarks and similar, but not by copyright. Angus McLellan (Talk) 21:25, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing that Angus. I had thought since "flipkart" is not an existing word, that arrangement has crossed the threshold originality and is applicable for the logo too.--Sodabottle (talk) 03:58, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Dayananda Gunawardena

could you please assist me to solve problem of this article ? --Wipeouting (talk) 13:50, 5 October 2010 (UTC) Dear friend, thanks lots for your kind full reply, I did it one vision on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Dayananda_Gunawardena/Temp at the moment if you can assist me , it would be great. I can learn after review your edition . --Wipeouting (talk) 14:59, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Dear friend , Thanks lots for your Kind full Assistance and information. I lean after read your edition. I will do my other writing following your points. Again, Thanks and best --Wipeouting (talk) 16:07, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Vellore page Vandalised by "For4me"

Some guy by name "For4me" reverted the page to some 2008 content. It seems this guy has a local copy of the page and he had simply pasted that. You can see the differences,using the URL I have given. So all our changes from then had gone. So I tried my best to bring them back. Thanks for asking and I appreicate it.

My aplogies for the language. I was really frustated with that. I have reverted most of them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Geico2000 (talk • contribs) 19:25, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

You removed my changes because you can not face facts and are spreading falsehood in the name of free encyclopedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.169.184.239 (talk) 18:56, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Village pump

In case you are no longer watching, I proposed a solution to your ta: problem there: to transclude the pages. Rich Farmbrough, 04:55, 7 October 2010 (UTC).

Lionel Wendt

Dear friend, My other article is going to be copyright infringement. I tried write this one with your points. could you please see and give some tips.Talk:Lionel Wendt/Temp ? --Wipeouting (talk) 04:31, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Dear friend, I tried to remove most of text which relate to original. Could you pls see again. Best --Wipeouting (talk) 16:38, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

If you have time pls see this article--Wipeouting (talk) 05:15, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

did You have a time to read this article ? --Wipeouting (talk) 09:10, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Time is extremely tight right now. gimme a couple of days.--Sodabottle (talk) 11:26, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Dear friend ,I really appreciate if you can assist me to protect this article.Talk:Lionel Wendt/Temp--Wipeouting (talk) 05:44, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

October 2010

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Ram Sharan Sharma. Users who edit disruptively or refuse to collaborate with others may be blocked if they continue. In particular the three-revert rule states that making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period is almost always grounds for an immediate block. If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the talk page to discuss controversial changes. Work towards wording and content that gains consensus among editors. If unsuccessful then do not edit war even if you believe you are right. Post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If edit warring continues, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. -- Cirt (talk) 21:45, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Please, engage in discussion, and if necessary, WP:Dispute resolution processes, at Talk:Ram Sharan Sharma. -- Cirt (talk) 21:47, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

I don't believe this. So now removing libelous claims from a BLP is considered edit warring? I tried to talk to the user in the article's talk page, and then in his talk page. He kept adding the libelous claims back and then started using abusive edit summaries. The fourth time i reverted, i promptly went to ANI asking others to take a look. The user then libeled the subject in the aNI thread (which had to be redacted) and warned. He abused other editors who agreed with me that the material was libel and had to be removed. The discussion was moved to BLP noticeboard where atleast four other editors (off2riorob, dougweller, dgg) agreed with my original position, that the additions were libel. The user then insults us some more there and disappears and all appears quiet.

Now you pop up seven days later and template me along with the libeler. Please read the threads before you drive away vandalism reverters with such thoughtless actions.--Sodabottle (talk) 05:16, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

There were a lot of reverts going on, back-and-forth and back-and-forth. Best to step back, report the matter, and engage in discussion, at the article's talk page, and if necessary, pursue WP:Dispute resolution. -- Cirt (talk) 05:39, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

There were about six reverts over two days. the second day i exceeded 3rr went straight to the ANI thread. And whats with putting "discussion" in quotes?. You are seriously suggesting i hold hands with a libeler and encourage him?. I was civil, to the point and told how to add it to the criticism section, if it can be sourced.

so if someone keeps adding "x is a paedophile" (unsourced) to a blp, i am to wait and report the matter and seek dispute resolution?. Did you even read the ANI and BLP noticeboard threads? --Sodabottle (talk) 06:48, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

You could try to get someone else to intervene, rather than the back-and-forth reverts. -- Cirt (talk) 06:50, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

It was a BLP and i was being bold. Once i exceeded the 3rr limit i went to the ANI. This was not a content dispute. He was adding personal research and libelous statements for days in the article. A few other people had already reverted him without success. I step in, manage to stop him and i get slapped with a edit warring template. I don't think you are going to admit you made a mistake. I will drop it here and keep your template as an example what happens to people who try to revert vandalism --Sodabottle (talk) 07:01, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Sodabottle has generously dropped the matter but it is worth noting that the removal of libelous or poorly sourced contentious material in a blp does not count as edit-warring. Warning him implies that the admin has examined the edits and concluded that they are neither libelous nor poorly sourced. (There is also not much point in warning an editor several days after the 'edit-war' has ceased, nor is it necessary to use a template on a long-time editor such as sodabottle, but never mind.)--RegentsPark (talk) 13:59, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

This is a systemic problem. i wouldnt blame anybody. nobody has the time to go to root of the problem. unfortunately, wikipedia has established a tradition in which both responsible users and vandals are treated equally when there is edit warring. as often has been the case, vandals with a strong agenda-driven resolve have their way. I agree with RP, Soda has an excellent track record. --CarTick 14:59, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind words RP and Cartick. I contemplated dragging Cirt to the ANI noticboard, but thought better of it. The best that could happen is i get a perfunctory apology. So decided to drop the issue and let him bug someone else. I guess he was working out of some edit warring list and automatically templating everyone. (thus the seven day lag before the template appeared here). --Sodabottle (talk) 15:13, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi Sodabottle, I agree with the comments here, I have always found you a responsible contributor. I also felt unduly templated by this user:cirt yesterday, and other users commented that he also protected articles without need. Off2riorob (talk) 15:33, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

WP:MSE

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inre Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Geet (TV series)

Could you look in at the article? It has a hellishly overlong plot section, but the topic does seem to meet notability. I value your assessment. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 03:12, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Cproundtable.jpg

Can you please move this photo to Wikimedia Commons for use in the Tamil article? :-) I don't have a Commons account.-The Enforcer_{Office of the secret service} 01:06, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

PD-India doesn't apply here if it was published in a London paper. And if it was a london paper the copyright status is not clear per PD-UK. (70 years from the death of author and if author unknown 70 years from publication). Since we cannot conclusively prove that the author is unknown, it isn't PD yet. Commons is strict in such cases, so we cant upload it there. Probably upload it to ta. wiki with a fair use rationale.--Sodabottle (talk) 03:34, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Rescue Pls - Brahadeeswarar Temple Millennium Year - Commemorative Stamp

Soda, User:Ww2censor has tagged Brahadeeswarar Temple Millennium Year-Commemorative Stamp for deletion by citing Wikipedia:NFC#Images compliance / rules. Pls see the discussion for rescuing the file. Also have a look at my talk page ----Raj 6644(தமிழன்) 06:53, 20 October 2010 (UTC)