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July 2

Can material be oversighted on user request?

For example, if someone accidentally posts too much material about themselves on Wikipedia, can they get it oversighted on their request? I'm asking this because I may have exposed too much information about myself in an early revision of my user page (please don't link to it here). weeklyd3 (message me | my contributions) 01:34, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

Yes. WP:OS and you can email them. PRAXIDICAE🌈 01:35, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

When is a shooting notable?

How can I determine if a shooting (not a mass shooting) is notable enough to have its own article? For example, there was a shooting at a hospital in Irving, Texas recently in which police shot and killed an armed patient in the emergency room. I added the shooting to the page for that hospital, but should the shooting have its own article? Any guidance would be helpful, thank you! SparklingSnail (talk) 03:17, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

@SparklingSnail: Hi there! See WP:EVENTCRITERIA. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 04:10, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

My pictures should preferably be used for articles?

Some people seem to have a misconception about what the HOST policy says about "educational purpose". As far as I know, the principles and spirit matter more than literal wording. The pictures we upload are not only used in Wikipedia lists and articles, but also anywhere. If we look at the world around us, we see that many people will find the pictures they want through Commons, and then use them according to their needs. They might be used for news reports, web novels, instructional videos, travel ads, or even google maps. But someone suggested me that if I want to convince the community, my pictures should preferably be used for articles. I think photos should be useful to everyone, not just the Wikipedia readers. Because all kinds of pictures you can't imagine that may be used by people. Unfortunately, the Commons community doesn't care what I say. When they accuse me of defending my actions, I give up my position and choose to accept theirs. So, I've started deleting my pictures per the HOST policy. Now I'm blocked for one year on Commons. Two admins blocked me for different reasons, but I honestly don't know what they were expecting. If I'm really wrong on anything or could improve somewhere please tell me. Kai3952 (talk) 12:00, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

Kai13952, this is the Help desk for Englìsh-language Wikipedia, not for Commons. But from what you say, you had been violating their policies by uploading files that were not intended for any Wikimedia project, then you switched to violating a different policy by deleting files that you'd already freely donated. As for "what they were expecting" – maybe they hoped that you would read, understand, and try to abide by those policies. Maproom (talk) 12:19, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

I know, but I'm blocked, so I can't find a better place to post a question about my pictures. If you think I violated their policies, then I have to say that I am sorry for making you misunderstanding. I tried my best to explain about my pictures, but they can't accept what I say. Therefore, I have no choice but to stop uploading pictures and deleting the content for a HOST violation. I fully understand that the HOST policy says about "educational purpose" and always abide by it. If I haven't done it, should I follow their suggestion: My pictures should preferably be used for articles?--Kai3952 (talk) 14:04, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

@Kai3952: My understanding after reading your Talk Page on Commons is that editors and admins there have less concern about your uploads than they do about your behaviour and it is the latter that has got you blocked for a year. There is no need for you to delete any of your uploads, even if that were technically possible. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:15, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

@Kai13952: You need to find a way to work with others on Commons. By posting here where we cannot help you, you are engaging in disruptive behavior, forum shopping, and block evasion. Please desist or we will be forced to block you here also. -Arch dude (talk) 15:20, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

create an article for a young person that is relevant and artistic

create an article for a young person that is relevant and artistic — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pedrovali1 (talk • contribs) 13:45, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

Please have a look at WP:FIRST and WP:COI, particularly if the relevant and artistic person is yourself or someone close to you.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 13:49, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

I may well be wrong Pedrovali1, but the wording of your query sounds rather like an academic assignment. In case I'm right, please read Wikipedia:Do your own homework. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.195.174.88 (talk) 14:13, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

@Pedrovali1: Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. Our articles are supposed to be encyclopedic, not artistic, and targeted toward the general population, not specifically toward young people. -Arch dude (talk) 14:55, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

VMA (AW) 332 -- Information

VMA (AW) 332 changed their nickname to "Moonlighters" in May 1976 after arriving at MCAS Iwakuni, Japan, based upon a Squadron activity in MAF Falon, NV. 2603:8080:A702:D700:38F6:63E2:C03A:1A1C (talk) 14:51, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

@IP editor. The Wikipedia article's section VMFA(AW)-332#1960s_-_1980s seems very cryptic about the source of the nickname and does not have a citation for the information. If you know of a reliable source, please add it in the article or place it on the Talk Page at Talk:VMFA(AW)-332. Note that we do not allow personal reminiscences, the information in sources must be published, perhaps in an archive. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:09, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

Technical difficulties

When logged into Wikipedia and using dark mode the main page are still has a white background while the rest of the website is dark. More troublesome is this setting cannot be reversed in browser settings or under preferences in Wikipedia. I'm using the latest Firefox. All standard troubleshooting methods have been applied cached is cleared, software re-installed, logged in and out multiple times. There is no need or reason to have to use a different browser. Arch1988 (talk) 15:23, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

@Arch1988: What do you mean by "using dark mode"? Have you enabled the "Dark" theme in your Firefox settings? Have you installed a browser extension/add-on such as "Dark Reader"? If the issue only occurs while you are logged in, have you enabled any dark mode gadgets at Preferences → Gadgets? Rummskartoffel 19:47, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

@Arch1988: Are you talking about the left sidebar becoming kinda white? I also had that issue. Placing something in my common.css seemed to resolve it. The relevant rule is:

body { background-color: #eeeeee; }

(Note that because the body has filter: invert(1) hue-rotate(180deg);, making the background black in your CSS actually makes it look white. The solution is to add rules that set the background color to some whitish color.) weeklyd3 (message me | my contributions) 20:18, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

Your common.css is here. Feel free to create it if it doesn't already exist. weeklyd3 (message me | my contributions) 20:21, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

Editing/adding names to the existing list

I’d just like to add two names to the list of magicians and it doesn’t look like it will be easy for me. I’m not a ‘logger inner’ - or joiner and don’t need any more passwords…

I’ve no one to ‘walk me’ through the seemingly convoluted process. Is there a simple way to present the names for the list? These are well-known and respected professionals whose names should be recognized.

is there anyone who can take the info and update the list? The names are: Abe Warsaw and his daughter June Horowitz (Former President of the Magician’s union, the IBM).

Thanks, Phyllis Horowitz (Contributor!) 2601:404:D400:EA0:1030:6BA1:5899:6013 (talk) 20:58, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi Phyllis, I guess you are asking about List of magicians. That isn't a list of all magicians; it's a list of Wikipedia articles about magicians (or, if you prefer, a list of magicians who have Wikipedia articles about them). Neither of the people you mention is the subject of a Wikipedia article. So, unless they become the subjects of articles, their names won't be added to that list. Maproom (talk) 21:06, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your quick response. I’ll get their fellow magicians on it asap! 2601:404:D400:EA0:1030:6BA1:5899:6013 (talk) 23:33, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

Please note: if you are related to June Horowitz, you have an obvious conflict of interest, which you must fully divulge. (Also: I thought magicians fell under the jurisdiction of the American Guild of Variety Artists-AFL-CIO?) --Orange Mike | Talk 00:45, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

@Orangemike: See International Brotherhood of Magicians, but it's not described as a "union". GoingBatty (talk) 00:51, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

I knew of the I B of M; but as you say, they are not a union but more of a trade organization, although Phyllis uses the term "union." Actual professional magicians fall under the AGVA, one of the confusing variety of theatrical unions (my wife is IATSE and a former Writers Guild-West member). --Orange Mike | Talk 01:14, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Phyllis. Please note the following:

1. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a directory. This is why List of magicians is restricted to the subjects of articles. It is also why articles will not be accepted unless the subjects meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability - roughly, that enough independent material has been published about them in reliable sources.
2. An article about a subject does not belong to the subject, is not controlled by the subject, and may end up containing material that the subject does not like. It should be based almost entirely on those independent sources, not on what the subject or their associates say or wish to say.
3. People associated with them may have a conflict of interest, and find it difficult to write about them sufficiently neutrally for Wikipedia, or to limit themselves to information which is available in reliable published sources. For this reason, "their fellow magicians" are not necessarily the best people to write articles on them. --ColinFine (talk) 20:43, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Sturgeon's ref

In Sturgeon's law § Discussion, at the end of Corollary 2, is a {{ref magazine}} to Venture Science Fiction (currently ref#6). On desktop, it looks perfectly normal, but on the app, the reference is reproduced verbatim within the article. I tried removing the }} after the ref, before realizing it was the end of the {{Poem quote}}. Then I tried moving the ref outside the Poem quote. This worked, but left the ref number (now #4) on a paragraph all alone. I have not published the 'fixed' version, as it looks worse on desktop.

Is this a bug in Poem quote? or in the app? What is the best way to resolve it?-- Verbarson  ^talk_edits 21:06, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

Further information:

The effect happens when (1) a reference is placed (2) in a colon-indented section (3) inside a {{Poem quote}} template. The following section of text appears in the app as shown in the screenshot:

Without Poem quote:

Normal text.

With Poem quote:

Normal text.

Edit: Non-essential colons removed from this reply to avoid confusing the whole issue! -- Verbarson  ^talk_edits 22:01, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

Seems to be a software bug (minimal example), also affecting VisualEditor and probably the iOS app as well. If nobody beats me to it, I can write a bug report soon. As for workarounds, I've gone and BOLDly attempted one, albeit at the cost of changing how it looks a bit. Do revert if you think it's too different. Rummskartoffel 23:07, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

Bug report now filed: phab:T311953. I've since attempted a different workaround that should have done the trick according to a bit of preliminary testing, but that made it even worse than the initial issue. Rummskartoffel 15:15, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Problems with coordinates in title

Recently, my pages that have coordinates with a title display are overlapping the edit and history buttons. I have tried to change my display settings but cannot figure out how to fix it. Any page that has a {{coord|0.0|0.0|display=title}} is not displaying correctly in the top right of the page. Talk to G Moore 21:31, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

@G. Moore: I think this is a persistent issue with the new Vector skin. Do you see any changes if you're using the legacy skin (which you can choose by clicking on "Switch to old look" on the left-hand sidebar)? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:55, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

I changed my global exception to anything but the new Vector skin and it shows up fine. Talk to G Moore 22:18, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

It's a variation of phab:T281974: "coordinates display is broken in the several Wikipedias with the new Vector language button position". PrimeHunter (talk) 22:34, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

IP Address visible

I made some changes to my Wikipedia page without creating an account first, so my IP address is visible. I now have an account for future changes. Is it possible to remove the IP address so it is no longer visible? Jadmath (talk) 21:47, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't think so. IPs are in the page history unless an oversighter removes it. It is also unlikely that oversighters hide contributor names, as this would be noncompliance with the CC BY-SA 3.0 license that Wikipedia uses. weeklyd3 (message me | my contributions) 21:55, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

@Weeklyd3: That's incorrect; the oversight team can suppress the revisions, but you'd have to make the request through email. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:56, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

Yes. See Wikipedia:Requests for oversight. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:29, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

July 3

Flag for under-representation of women

My question is prompted by the article "William Beechey". I noticed that the section about his family mentions "many children" but only five are named. All are male. It is possible they were mentioned because they are notable, and the absence of women reflects the Georgian period.

Nevertheless, I sought some way to flag this discrepancy. There is a template "globalise" to indicate a geographic bias, and there are templates related to lack of neutrality. However, I couldn't come up with a template to say "this article ignores women", putting it bluntly.

Is there a way to highlight a gender bias in content? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Humphrey Tribble (talk • contribs) 03:08, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

You raise a good question, but I don't think so. It's a vexing problem, representing women in the past when they weren't permitted to be notable, and even if they were it wasn't recorded. In the case of William Beechey, his male children have articles. His female children don't; they may very well have been smarter and better than the boys, but weren't allowed to develop it; it is what it is. It's a problem of the course and the recording of history, and my personal opinion is that that is beyond our purview to rectify, so I don't think it should be tagged, no. Herostratus (talk) 04:15, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your answer Herostratus: "There is no such flag."

Nevertheless, you have assumed that the female children are not notable because no Wikipedia articles about them are included in the William Beechey article. That assumption, in itself, highlights the underlying systemic bias: by excluding "non-notables" we are automatically marginalising women. (Please don't take offence; I'm just trying to address the prejudices we all hold.)

The article about his wife, portraitist Anne Beechey, seems to have a complete list of their children. Two female children are "ladies in red", suggesting that articles about them simply haven't been created yet. But at least all the children are named rather than giving the impression that the female children didn't exist, historically.

As a result of my concern, I have signed up for WikiProject Women's History. I will try to find out more about the Beechey's daughters. I think it would be useful to have a template similar to "globalise" so I will keep that in mind.

Humphrey Tribble (talk) 07:18, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Humphrey Tribble, You might also really enjoy the Women in Red project if you're not already signed up for it. I often suggest, in these cases, that the daughters' names just be added to the article (as long as there are reliable sources that name them) and I think having those redlinks in there makes it more likely for someone else to be bold and start writing an article. It's a worthwhile thing to think about. Jessamyn (my talk page) 20:03, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

A page I contributed to was flagged inaccurately

Hi, I'm a fan of the band Dead Posey. I've been contributing and citing their wiki page as well as the members wiki pages and today I made some small edits on their main band page and I was falsely flagged as a "paid contributor" by PRAXIDICAE. I'm just a fan of the band that wants to help them anyway I can & I am not being paid by them. I have followed wiki guidelines and have cited all the sources. How do I go about getting this flag taken off of the top of the bands wiki page? Thank you for your time. Poewritesthings (talk) 04:40, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

I removed it like ten minutes ago. Refresh the page. PRAXIDICAE🌈 04:41, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Houston Apollos Simi Pro Hockey Team

Hello, I just wanted to share some additional information after reading about the Houston Apollos Hockey team from 1979 - 1980 81 This Team traveled & played against the Historic USA Olympic February 22, 1980 Hockey Team that defeated the Russians which later became a motion feature movie. I watched a game one evening in Wichita Kansas in 1979 & was able to be seated directly next to the glass of the Houston Apollos. The Olympic Hockey team played an amazing game against a Profession Hockey Team that night. If my memory serves me right the Olympic team did barely win in the closing minutes. I think that if it were not for teams such as the Houston Apollos to prepare this Historic Hockey Team in 1979 before the Olympics. It is in my opinion the USA Olympic Hockey Team would not have accelerated to prominence they had achieved without the help of the Houston Apollos Hockey Team. I wish some investigation can be done & some additional facts be added to Wikipedia of how important this Houston Hockey Team played in History of the 1980 Olympic Hockey Team USA.

Thank you 2600:8800:7B82:6A00:8461:3694:7B43:9218 (talk) 05:34, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi there! The best place to have this discussion is on the article's talk page: Talk:Houston Apollos. Please provide any published reliable sources that confirm your statements. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 14:16, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

hi

uhhh 🙄 can you gib me some help about EdItInG? Kanjishowa21-4 (talk) 09:03, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi Kanjishowa21-4. So far, all your edits to articles have been reverted (that is, undone by another editor) because they have not been constructive: they have not improved the text for our readers. So please proceed very slowly and be sure the information you add has a reliable source. We do expect our editors to be competent and to gain experience you should start with simple tasks, for example as listed at the task centre. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:12, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Kanjishowa21-4: Hi there! To learn how to edit, you could view Help:Introduction and try The Wikipedia Adventure. GoingBatty (talk) 14:13, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull: I stopped directing people to WP:TWA after finding it to be buggy. I started a decision tree that might help also you with general editing and Wikipedia usage scenarios. WP:TRIAGE TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:40, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

I think that Timtempleton meant that comment for you, GoingBatty, rather than me. I don't recommend TWA any longer. Mike Turnbull (talk) 09:44, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Asking about using multiple accounts

Can I contribute using more than one account at the same time? Dinesh | Talk 10:53, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Dineshswamiin There are legitimate uses of alternative or additional accounts, see WP:VALIDALT. In general, if you have an alternative account, it should be clearly identified as such on its user page. 331dot (talk) 10:55, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

More specifically: if you have multiple accounts, the user page for each should list all the others, and preferably give the reasons for their existence. Maproom (talk) 13:06, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Password

Help, help, help. I forgot my Wikipedia password and I still remember my email address. How can I get my password back? 95.0.153.26 (talk) 13:25, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:FAQ/Technical. 331dot (talk) 13:41, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Recover old account

Hello,

I'd like to log in to my old Wikipedia / Wikimedia Commons account with the username [removed for privacy] – however, since I created this account back in 2009, I unfortunately forgot both email address and password associated with it. I tried to guess both, but I always get the error message "Incorrect password or confirmation code entered. Please try again.". Since this is the username I use on a lot of platforms, I'd really like to get access to it.

Could the email address be changed to my current one, so I can request a password reset?

Thanks. 2804 (talk) 14:10, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

@2804: Usernames are case sensitive and the first character is automatically capitalized. There is no [removed for privacy] or [removed for privacy]. [removed for privacy] was uploaded by [removed for privacy] with capital M. [removed for privacy] only shows 34 edits. Email addresses are only reset in rare circumstances with far more edits. Usernames with significant edits cannot be usurped. [removed for privacy] does have an email address set but I don't have access to it. You don't have to enter an email address at commons:Special:PasswordReset but remember capital M and check the inbox of any old email account you have access to. Passwords never expire. If you don't remember the password and cannot receive mails at the stored address then you cannot gain access to the account or username. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:59, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

I want to add pronunciation

I want to add the pronunciation to an article about an Italian. Do I need a source to even if I'm an Italian native speaker? If so, what kind of source do I use? Dr Salvus 19:44, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

@Dr Salvus: Yes, you need to provide a source that shows the pronunciation you want to add. See Milan and Moscow for some sourcing examples. RudolfRed (talk) 21:11, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

A link to somebody who pronounces the name isn't fine? Dr Salvus 21:17, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

It needs to be published in a reliable source. See WP:RS for guidance. RudolfRed (talk) 21:33, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

I'd say if the pronunciation would be obvious to somebody who speaks Italian, there is an argument to be made that it's common knowledge and doesn't need verification, but citing a source would still be better. Rummskartoffel 21:19, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

July 4

Redirect moves

I have been closing move requests as a non-admin for a few weeks now, but I am still unsure of how to swap names between an article and a redirect as a non-page mover. Do I send the request to WP:RMT? Or do I tag the page for moving with G6 via Twinkle? I have had pages moved by doing the latter with Template:Db-g6 (Reason:Moved per talk page consensus), though I am unsure if the CSD tagging is appropriate. CollectiveSolidarity (talk) 00:58, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Hello? Is this not the right place to ask this question? CollectiveSolidarity (talk) 23:55, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions § Non-admin closure says: Editors are permitted to close the discussion and file a technical move with a link to the closed discussion. In case that doesn't answer your question and you don't get a better answer before this section is archived, you may want to try asking at WT:RM. Rummskartoffel 14:09, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Balance wheel

I purchased a Seth Thomas mantel clock that was loosing 2 minutes every day. I received information that to make the clock run faster take two weights out of the wheel I did that, the problem is I must have installed the balance wheel wrong inside the clock, because the wheel is not turning Is there any way I could receive some help on this. 69.87.224.134 (talk) 06:58, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

This page is for asking questions about editing Wikipedia. We have Wikipedia:Reference desk but you'd have to WP:REGISTER to try that. Perhaps try someplace like Quora? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:03, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

The reference desk (for which you don't need an account) is for answering questions with referenced answers, rather than practical help with clock repairs. I suggest you return the clock to the retailer for replacement.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:17, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

@Shantavira, at the rd it says "Editing of this page by new or unregistered users is currently disabled.". Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:15, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Nevermind, that doesn't seem to apply to the separate rd:s. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:18, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Tables

How do I make a table in Wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by FreddyWitDa$tacks (talk • contribs) 10:48, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

For help on tables, try Help:Table. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:53, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

First Article got deleted

Hello,

I would like to restore my article so that I can make an appropriate changes to it. Since it was deleted for a WP:G11 and not for any copywrite violation and can be improved by changing the content with a neutral point of view and by deleting some external links. Are there any possible solutions? Jaz van (talk) 12:52, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Jaz van You may request restoration at WP:REFUND. It would probably be restored to Draft space so you can submit it for a review before it is formally part of the encyclopedia. It will need to read less like a university brochure and more like an article that summarizes independent reliable sources. If you are associated with the college, please read WP:COI. 331dot (talk) 12:59, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Jaz van I was in error, G11 deletions cannot be restored. 331dot (talk) 19:08, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

@Jaz van The first thing you should do is ask the deleting administrator if they are willing to restore the content so you can work on it. If they refuse then you can contest it, but for G11 speedy deletions this has to be done at WP:Deletion review rather than WP:requests for undeletion (as it is not an uncontroversial, routine action). At deletion review you would have a week long discussion where you would need to argue that G11 was incorrectly applied, and that the draft was not unambiguous promotion. The only deletion decisions that cannot be appealed are those involving copyright, slander/attack pages and those that involve content that is illegal in the United States. Honestly, it's probably easier to start a new draft if the deleting admin will not agree to restoration. 192.76.8.85 (talk) 20:10, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Should the awards section in infoboxes include the date?

I have noticed that some awards sections in infoboxes include the date and some do not (even though the date is known). What is the preferred style?
Example: "Nobel Peace Prize (2022)" vs "Nobel Peace Prize" Aankom (talk) 13:50, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

@Aankom: In the infobox for World Food Programme, their award is linked to the main Nobel Prize article, and the year of the award is linked to a different article, the one for the actual award from that year. I think that's an elegant solution. I don't see any usage guidelines associated with that parameter in Template:Infobox person, so there doesn't seem to be a right or wrong way. Does that answer your question? TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:36, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Archive Template is not linking correct

On Talk:War on I-4, the template archives is not correctly linking to the archive page Talk:War on I-4/Archives/ 1. It appears that the bot, ClueBot III (operated by Cobi), may have not built the page with the correct naming convention. I don't want to move the page on the chance that causes more problems for the bot. I am looking for help from Cobi or someone else with knowledge on the bot/template. Elisfkc (talk) 16:29, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

There was a bad archiveprefix parameter. I have fixed it [1] and moved the archive to the expected name Talk:War on I-4/Archive 1. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:18, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: Thanks, I feel like a idiot for missing that. Elisfkc (talk) 00:27, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

@Elisfkc: It's easy to miss. Lots of editors have done it when they asked for archiving help so I eventually created Category:Pages where archive parameter is not a subpage for another archiving bot. The category originally had around 2700 pages. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:00, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Copyright Question

I'm working on an article on something called the "Livingston Chart" or "Livingston Plot".[2] The trick is turning out to be figuring out the copyright status of various versions of the chart. The one I linked above is in Symmetry Magazine, which is an official publication of two national laboratories and the United States Department of Energy. Per WP:PD, U.S. government works are in the public domain BUT most works provided by national labs aren't. The Symmetry Magazine terms of use make pretty clear that they AREN'T putting the material in the public domain, unless I'm reading them wrong.

So back to the drawing board. Next up is the version in the 2001 Snowmass Report. This report is produced for the DOE Office of Science and Technology Policy periodically to guide future policy on particle accelerator dvelopment... but is published by SLAC. I'm fuzzy on how a claim of public domain on that one would be treated.

One approach would be just to reproduce the chart myself - the data is all public, and it would literally be a question of just throwing the numbers back into a charting program and making my own. But does that constitute WP:OR?

This chart is a pretty essential diagram in the field of accelerator physics. There's no question of its wiki-notability. I'm just kind of baffled by how best to actually get it in here.

Thanks for any advice. PianoDan (talk) 17:05, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Correction: Snowmass is from the US DOE Office of Scientific and Technical information. PianoDan (talk) 17:07, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

PianoDan, both Fermilab and SLAC are public/private partnerships. The DOE provides that funding but the labs are administered, managed, operated and staffed by private-sector organizations. Cullen328 (talk) 20:48, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

That's what I gathered. What about the OSTI report? Or making the chart myself from scratch? PianoDan (talk) 05:13, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

SEARCH HISTORY

HOW TO DELETE SEARCH HISTORY Johnmascaro1 (talk) 18:31, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

@Johnmascaro1: This doesn't seem to be Wikipedia-related. Google is your friend as it varies across browsers. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:32, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

@Johnmascaro1: To expand on that: Wikipedia software does not retain users' search history. Anything you see below when you click into the "Search Wikipedia" box has been remembered and placed there by your browser. In most cases, you should be able to hover over the suggestions and hit a delete (trash) button, or set the browser so it never shows these at all. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:11, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Bhojpuri language page

There are multiple users who are trying to spread wrong information on Wikipedia page of Bhojpuri language — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.237.117.196 (talk) 20:35, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Hello. Then, you can try discussing it on the talk page of the article. Click the 'talk' tab at the top to get to the talk page, and press 'new section' to start a new topic. weeklyd3 (message me | my contributions) 20:36, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Contradiction/Discrepency Reporting

Preamble

I'm seeing a contextual contraction (hypocrisy) found on the page "Polyarchy".

Explanation of the Issue:

The opening statement and "summary table" of this page are in disagreement because the opening statement says:

- "It takes the form of neither a dictatorship nor a democracy" (line 2)

...whereas the "summary table" identifies the page's topic as "Democracy". (Row 1: line 2)

Question:

How would I request an appeal / revisitation of this page, on account of those issues? Daanksy (talk) 21:42, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Daanksy. There isn't anybody to "report" such issues to. They are resolved by a consensus among interested editors - of which you are one. If you can see a way of resolving the problem (within Wikipedia's principles of verifiability, neutral point of view, and no original research) then you are welcome to edit the article; alternatively, you can raise the issue on the talk pageTalk:Polyarchy, and see who joins the discussion. You might also put a note at WT:WikiProject Politics pointing to the discussion you start. ColinFine (talk) 22:03, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

@Daanksy: It's not a "summary table" and doesn't define the page's topic. An infobox is a summary table but Polyarchy has a sidebar: Template:Democracy sidebar. The heading is "Democracy" but Polyarchy is listed under "Related topics", not "Types". There is no contradiction here. The same sidebar is usually displayed on many articles. This one is on 68 articles. I agree that polyarchy is a related topic to democracy and the link belongs in the sidebar. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:16, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Why is adding references to an article is not considered "minor edit"?

Why is adding references to an article is not considered "minor edit"? I think it doesn't change the content of the article. QiuLiming1 (talk) 22:13, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

@QiuLiming1: Help:Minor edit says: "signifies that the current and previous versions differ only superficially (typographical corrections, etc.), in a way that no editor would be expected to regard as disputable". Other editors can see an edit is marked as minor and choose to not examine it for appropriateness. Adding references is definitely not minor. Other editors may for example want to see whether the source looks reliable and supports the content. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:23, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @QiuLiming1: A minor edit is marked to allow page watchers to know that they don't need to pay too much attention to it. An unscrupulous editor can add poor sources that push a point of view and mark it as minor edit, to hope it's not noticed. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:26, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. In zh:Beethoven (sorry it's in Chinese Wikipedia) the article is filled with many {{citation needed}} and I added some reference to it, in that case do other editors still need to pay attention to my addition of references? --QiuLiming1 (talk) 23:04, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Most definitely. Closely watching what kinds of references are added to articles is one of the ways we maintain as high a standard of quality and reliability as possible. --Orange Mike | Talk 23:23, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

@QiuLiming1: Each Wikipedia language makes its own rules and many things can vary but I would expect addition of references to never be considered a minor edit. The Chinese page about minor edits is zh:Help:小修改. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:46, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Ok. Since zhwiki's help page only explains what is a minor edit, and doesn't describe the rule of that in detail, so I went here to ask. QiuLiming1 (talk) 00:49, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

July 5

Hans_Ernback

Greetings. The wikipage for the Swedish actor Hans Ernback shows a photo of Robert Redford, rather than the actor in question.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Ernback

Thank you. 2A02:C7F:784F:F100:90BB:2356:908F:D671 (talk) 02:14, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing this out, IP editor. That file was uploaded under the provisions of WP:NONFREE by Gpkp, who may like to comment. I must say it does look like Redford and not similar to other images from a Google image search of Ernback. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:02, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Assistance with U.S. Navy admirals wikitable (code)

This wikitable for U.S. Navy admirals suffers from an extremely narrow "Notes" column. Despite practically copying the code I use in similar tables, I can't get the Notes column to be of a similar size as them. Using nowrap on the Notes column only makes it go past the page space. I'm unsure if the use of nowrap is causing problems, and which specific ones should be removed to fix the problem, if any to look like the other wikitables I've linked. I would appreciate if someone could communicate to me what the problem is here. SuperWIKI (talk) 02:33, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

@SuperWIKI: The problem is with the ridiculously long organisation names in the "position" column, such as COMSIXTHFLT/COMSTRIKFORNATO/DCOMUSNAVEUR/DCOMUSNAVAF/JFMCC. Browsers treat them as single, unbroken words. The use of slashes contravenes MOS:SLASH as its not clear what the slashes signify. Replacing each one with a comma followed by a space (or something similar which includes a space) will allow the browser to do it's work. The explicit "width" setting on the notes column header can be removed. Note also that specifying dates such as (1953–        ) contravenes MOS:DATERANGE; and it's not clear what such date ranges signify. Bazza (talk) 08:52, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Yuan Bingyan

I need help, the profile of actress Yuan Bingyan has been hacked with malicious comments the last one that refers to June 13, should be deleted ALGUIENQUETIENEALGOQUEDECIR (talk) 02:57, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

I've protected the page, this should be discussed at Talk:Yuan Bingyan. Beeblebrox (talk) 03:26, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

In the biography of Yuan Bingyan, a malicious paragraph has been inserted that aims to damage the good image of the actress and this paragraph brings references, malicious marketing articles, and comments from haters who want to ruin the career of the actress. This information is not endorsed by any competent entity in China, which may cause a legal claim, for damage to the good image of a public figure. It is required to delete this paragraph and references 1 and 2 of Yuan Bingyan's biography. Vandals are hacking her life all the time. ALGUIENQUETIENEALGOQUEDECIR (talk) 19:16, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

@ALGUIENQUETIENEALGOQUEDECIR: I strongly suggest you retract what you just wrote. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 19:30, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

I believe that Wikipedia cannot allow this kind of malicious comments about a person's good image. ALGUIENQUETIENEALGOQUEDECIR (talk) 19:44, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

@ALGUIENQUETIENEALGOQUEDECIR: I strongly suggest you lay off the legal threats (as you've been warned on your user talk page) or else you will almost be guaranteed a block. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:31, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

I don't make legal threats. I believe that Wikipedia cannot allow this kind of malicious comments about a person's good image. ALGUIENQUETIENEALGOQUEDECIR (talk) 19:45, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

I am not making legal threats, I am only indicating that this is a slander, because there is no evidence of a controlling entity to support these comments. They are required to delete that paragraph. ALGUIENQUETIENEALGOQUEDECIR (talk) 19:46, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

• Note: OP has been blocked. Eagleash (talk) 20:01, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

What is the correct spelling of a name?

I had created the article Cătălin Tecuceanu as it is written in its original language. The article has been moved with the justification that it must be written as is in the language of the new citizenship. How are things? --Kasper2006 (talk) 05:14, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Kasper2006 It should be written in the same way as most English-language sources write it, per WP:COMMONNAME. Absent English langauge sources, it should be as whichever sources you are using write it. 331dot (talk) 08:43, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

This from Worldathletics is the most reliable source. Can you please do the redirect reverse yourself? --Kasper2006 (talk) 11:29, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, as not mentioned, I had not seen that they had already done so. Thanks anyway. Kasper2006 (talk) 11:33, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Collateral damage

Civil Engineer 3 removed all significant contents carelessly in Ethiopia. Can you revert it to last revision please. Regarding The Supermind (talk) 06:09, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

 Done. I see that Civil Engineer 3 had removed about a sixth of the content of the article, most of it with the edit summary "parse, grammar". I've reverted to the state before these deletions. More recent additions by The Supermind have thereby also been lost, but as they've asked for the revert I guess they can handle that. Maproom (talk) 07:48, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

article non legible again....very bad revert of edits by a copy editor here for 15 years who spend their time fixing copy edit tags... O well :-( Moxy- 13:10, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Farnborough Hall for Mr. Getty

Hello. I'm working on a project with the Getty Foundation and me and Gordon are gonna open an institute at my family's house. Can someone make sure that I changed the page appropriately. Its Farnborough_Hall. Its like JUST now public information. So who do I cite, myself? Kalorama20008 (talk) 08:12, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Kalorama20008 Since you are associated with the project, you should read about conflict of interest. If you are compensated in any way(doesn't have to be money) for your work, the Terms of Use require you to make a formal paid editing disclosure.

With a conflict of interest, you should avoid directly making edits related to it, instead you may make formal edit requests(click for instructions) on the article talk page(Talk:Farnborough Hall) detailing changes you feel are needed. In terms of your question, you cannot cite yourself as there is no way to verify your claims. You need to cite a reliable source that can be verified, preferably an independent source. 331dot (talk) 08:40, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Oh. No problem. Can you help me. This is all a surprise for Mr. Getty to look at tomorrow. I didnt want to make too many permanent changes because he may hate the idea. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kalorama20008 (talk • contribs) 08:44, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Kalorama20008 Whoever he is, Mr. Getty's feelings are not relevant to Wikipedia activities, and Wikipedia is not concerned with any surprises you wish to spring or any other form of deadline you have for yourself. I don't mean to sound cruel, but I must be honest. We are only interested in summarizing independent reliable sources. If you propose edits as I described, this does not make a permanent change, although there is no timeframe for your requests to be reviewed. 331dot (talk) 08:52, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Well, first of all, my husband and I own Farnborough Hall…so wikipedia is publishing information on property that belongs to me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kalorama20008 (talk • contribs) 09:03, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Kalorama20008 Again, I don't mean to sound cruel- but you have no special rights to the article about your property because you are the propertly owner. This is just as Donald Trump or Boris Johnson don't have any special rights to the articles about them even though they say things both men probably wish the articles didn't say. See WP:OWN for more information. We are, however, interested in your input just as we are from any other editor, as long as you provide it indirectly as I have described(as an edit request). 331dot (talk) 09:11, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Kalorama20008, you have claimed above that you and your husband own Farnborough Hall. According to the National Trust, they own it. In your edits, you changed its name to "Getty College at Farnborough Hall". The website of Oxford University lists no such college. I suspect that your edits are all a hoax. Maproom (talk) 10:43, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Yes. Totally made up. Like this, here, Research Institute. https://www.getty.edu/research/institute/. Except some people don't want to be in California. That's why we picked my house. Also, please cite to documentation proving the National Trust owns Farnborough. I've been looking for it for 12 years. They dont. I have the will of Marjorie Holbech. How do I upload that? Kalorama20008 (talk) 10:57, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Um, Maproom clearly linked to the website of the National Trust showing that it is theirs. If it's not, you will need to address that with them, not us. 331dot (talk) 11:08, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Actually, I can't see anywhere on that page which states that NT owns the land. I don't know if the Trust owns all of the land in the public parts of sites it maintains. The page I link to below says Only freehold acquisitions are currently shown, but the National Trust also leases some land, holds restrictive covenants over some land (this imposes a restriction on the use of land, so that the value and enjoyment of neighbouring land will be preserved), and holds rights over some land.

But you can find Farnborough Hall on https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/features/follow-the-history-of-our-places-with-land-map, where it says The house and surrounding grounds were transferred to the Trust in 1960 through National Land Fund procedures ColinFine (talk) 14:40, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

• OP blocked for a legal threat. 331dot (talk) 14:48, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

I don't think that was technically a legal threat. But it did provide ample evidence that further conversation with the OP won't be fruitful. Maproom (talk) 19:06, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Respectfully, saying they are a government officer who will have me investigated in a federal facility and have me fingerprinted sounds like a legal threat to me. It certainly sounded like hogwash to me(maybe related to their earlier post on my talk), but it's still a threat. 331dot (talk) 20:09, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Alan Blaikley

I have been trying to change the Date of death of my dear friend Alan Blaikley who passed away last night 4th July 2022. Can you help me with this? Nicotenorino (talk) 10:22, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Nicotenorino As you can probably understand, we cannot just accept your word that he has passed. We need a reliable source that can be verified, such as a news story about his death, or a death announcement/obituary. 331dot (talk) 11:10, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

The mirror has a story at https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/elvis-presley-hit-songwriter-alan-27402515 . I'm not sure on whether the Mirror counts as a reliable source.Naraht (talk) 15:00, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

I think the Mirror would be a "reliable enough in this context" source. Other reliable outlets will probably offer their own tributes in due course. Feline Hymnic (talk) 16:01, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Using Wikipedia material

Can I use a "short" Wikipedia article as an introduction to a Public Domain book? JWMarek (talk) 21:47, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

@JWMarek Yes you can, as long as you follow the conditions for reuse, see WP:Reusing Wikipedia content for the steps you will need to take. Pay particular attention to images, as a lot of images are used here under claims of fair use which may or may not apply to whatever you use the content for. 192.76.8.85 (talk) 21:50, 5 July 2022 (UTC)