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December 9

I was wondering if someone could please look over my Naked Pizza article in my sandbox and give me some feedback? Thank you :)

Berkman Study

It seems like the study that is appearing at the top of the pages is only seen by people with accounts. Has anyone actually received money by completing it? Ryan Vesey Review me! 00:21, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

I'll let you know if I do. I just completed it about an hour ago but don't expect anything until at least the start of the business day on Friday or Monday. And I doubt anyone has received anything if it just started appearing tonight/today. Dismas|^(talk) 00:24, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Okay, so Tuesday AM. I got my 10.95 Euro. Dismas|^(talk) 09:35, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Yep, 17.52 Euros in my new pay pal account. And they say editing Wikipedia can't make you money :) Ryan Vesey Review me! 16:25, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Polydactyly

I am a polydactyly I would like to know how can I post a pic of my hands and will i be financially re-embursed for the photo exposure. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sunshinetweet123 (talk • contribs) 02:39, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Three things:

1. You need to be autoconfirmed before you can upload pictures to Wikipedia. You need four days and nine more edits.
2. You need to upload your image with a free license in accordance with the Image use policy. A list of free licenses acceptable on Wikipedia can be found here.
3. No, you will not be financially reimbursed.

Also, WP:UPIMAGE may be of interest to you. - Purplewowies (talk) 02:58, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

You don't need autoconfirmation if you upload to the Wikimedia Commons. And if you do that, then the image(s) can be used at the Wikipedias in other languages. Dismas|^(talk) 03:13, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

You will not be financially re-embursed for use of images on Wikipedia.  Chzz  ►  10:09, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Also, there are several good pictures already in the article polydactyly, so it is not clear that the article would be improved by another one, unless perhaps it showed a significantly different syndrome. --ColinFine (talk) 17:02, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Names of vegetables

Botanical names of kashmiri vegetables. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.0.9.153 (talk) 06:20, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Have you tried the science section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps. —teb728 t c 08:54, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

The article Kashmiri cuisine only mentions three specific vegetables:

• Aubergine (called Vangan Hach)
• Bottle Gourd (called Al Hach)
• Turnips (called Goagji Hach)

I have linked these to Wikipedia articles, from which you can find their botanical names. --ColinFine (talk) 17:15, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

approval

Hi, I sent in my first contribution... when will it be publicly published? And will I be alerted to this fact.

Thanks,

Mandy Salomon TTE678 — Preceding unsigned comment added by TTE678 (talk • contribs) 06:55, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

You can keep an eye on progress at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Serge Soudoplatoff. As it says there, there are hundreds of drafts awaiting review. I notice that most of the references are blogs, so you may wish to read WP:RS. - David Biddulph (talk) 08:39, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

(e/c) Your article has problems: In the first place it doesn’t indicate why Soudoplatoff is important or significant. See WP:BIO for the notability standards for biographies. Also it needs additional inline references to reliable sources to verify the content. Most of your inline references are to blogs, which are not considered reliable sources. You provide a list of other external links, but there is no indication of what parts of the article they are supposed to verify. (I made some superficial improvements to the article: adding links to other Wikipedia articles, formatting inline references as footnotes, and converting inline external links that merely identify subjects to internal links to the articles about those subjects.) —teb728 t c 08:50, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Confusion on AFD'd article

Montrose Star (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Houston Voice (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Montrose Star (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Montrose Star was nominated at AFD, and at the AFD discussion someone suggested renaming to Houston Voice. Whereupon an anon over-boldly copied the article there, only partially updated the contents, and then redirected the original article to the copy. This action confuses the issue: In the first place, if the copy is to be kept, it needs a history merge. And redirecting the subject of an AFD in the middle of discussion confuses the discussion: For example, should Keep !votes be interpreted to apply to the original article or the copy? —teb728 t c 07:36, 9 December 2011 (UTC) Update: I reverted the redirect on Montrose Star, leaving two separate articles. But the redirect had been there for most of the last six days. —teb728 t c 12:34, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

A standard history merger with just {{db-histmerge}} is impossible since the articles have overlapping histories (which would be interleaved, a very bad thing). However, if you're willing to part with the most recent additions to Montrose Star, such revisions could be deleted (not using WP:REVDEL, but with conventional deletion), making a history merge possible. Alternately, early revisions from Houston Voice could be deleted, but I'm not sure if that's kosher with our copyright requirements. It might be best to just delete Houston Voice entirely and move Montrose Star over it, but that will lose contributions. But if you do want help with this, take it to WP:REPAIR for admin assistance. --NYKevin @156, i.e. 02:43, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Making an article for a Human Rights Organisation - some assistance required

Hi,

I am trying to make an article for a human rights organisation. There is plenty of content that i will be sourcing from the organisations website however i seem to be faltering at the basic wikipedia layout/template. Is anyone able to assist with this? The website is www.arasa.info. The logo i loaded appears but i'm not too sure sure about its location on the page as it seems to be 'floating'. Anyone to can assist? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arasact (talk • contribs) 09:21, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

I added the logo for you. But I want to be sure you understand that the organization's website is not considered an independent reliable source. All facts in the article need to be verifiable by references to reliable sources. And those that establish the required notability must be independent of the organization. —teb728 t c 09:46, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

I have an additional very serious concern: Your username may violate Wikipedia's username policy, for it seems to indicate that you are editing on behalf of ARASA. —teb728 t c 09:58, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

The user name is a clear violation of the user name policy and has been reported as such. Also, the images in the draft appear to be copyvios as the organisation's website bears a clear copyright notice, and an appropriate permission has not been provided. – ukexpat (talk) 13:50, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

reggie lambe article

Reggie Lambe

that is not a valid picture of reggie lambe as a matter of fact that picture is not reggie lambe. see link for confirmation http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2011/12/08/toronto-fc-see-lambe-electric-option-wings — Preceding unsigned comment added by Talk1talk9 (talk • contribs) 09:55, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for letting us know. OK, so, the original uploader says it was their own picture; I have now questioned that, and have removed the image from the article.

We cannot use the image you suggested, because of copyright concerns; please see WP:DCM.

Maybe you could help us find an image we can use; please see Wikipedia:Finding images tutorial. Cheers,  Chzz  ►  10:31, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Infobox image in articles about fictional characters from television shows

Stuck

 – I should bring this up at WP:WikiProject Star Trek. Although probably not totally misplaced here as a question about editing Wikipedia in the broadest sense, I feel the assistance the Help desk can (and perhaps should) provide with this has been exhausted. Thanks for all the feedback. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 16:43, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Is there a guideline on what the infobox image for an article about a fictional character from a television series should look like? I want to change an infobox image in a specific article about a fictional character. And yes, I am aware that these discussions might often come down to "I prefer this image over that image because ....". Are there more objective criteria I can bring up to justify such a change? Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 12:07, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Can I just boldly change the image? As a note, it would change the image from a portrait of the character to an image showing the character standing. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 12:11, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

This may be helpful. – ukexpat (talk) 13:52, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

I could take that as supporting my intended change, since the shots of a character in a television series will most likely not just show the character's head. The point is, that since both images are non-free, this will result in the deletion of the current image. I personally would prefer the new image I want to add. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 14:06, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

If by portrait you mean a drawing of some artistic skill, I'd go with an actual picture of the character. That way nothing is left up to imagination or interpretation. I'm assuming here that we're talking about a real life person who plays a character here and not a character from a cartoon or anime. Dismas|^(talk) 14:20, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

The specific image is the infobox image in the article Tasha Yar. I want to change it to this one. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 14:24, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

By the way, I acknowledge that making that change as described could probably be regarded as a disimprovement, since that image seems to be of a poor quality (there is a lot of noise in the image). I would try to fix that prior to uploading that image. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 14:39, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

That image is too big. If that image is to be shown in the infobox, you would hardly be able to make out the face. That is the reason we mainly use portraits instead of standing. — Edokter (talk) — 14:42, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

FWIW I have uploaded a tweaked version of File:TashaYar.jpg that is a little better, I think. – ukexpat (talk) 14:44, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

@Edokter: Is there a guideline that says the infobox image has to show only he face? After all, in the television show, a viewer will often not just see the characters face.

@Ukexpat: Thanks for the upload. I am still interested whether the change I intend to make is allowed or not.

Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 14:52, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

(outdent, got tired of counting colons) In general, the image is for identification of the subject. Nothing about Yar's legs, arms, or stomach are notable or extra-ordinary. The face shot is better. Dismas|^(talk) 15:02, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

I agree with that. I haven't seen sources that would establish that the character is notable for the arms or legs or whatever. On the other hand, I also haven't seen sources that would establish that the character is notable for the face and I haven't seen a guideline that says a portrait is preferable over an image showing the character in its entirety for such articles. I hope this doesn't come over as me "pushing" for that particular image. That it might be better is of course just my personal opinion and I would like to see a policy or guideline supporting either of the two images. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 15:25, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Well, you see, in general, humans identify people primarily by their facial features, so you can see why the face is a good starting point. And a full body shot in an infobox would just look... weird. --NYKevin @150, i.e. 02:35, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

One argument in favor of the image I want to upload would be, that the article is about the whole character and not just the characters head. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 15:41, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Costs of services

Is this allowed in Wikipedia? This article is informing how much the company is charging for each service offered to consumers, but I am not sure if this kind of information can be posted here.

It's not the type of thing that we like to have here, no. We aren't a comparison shopping service. I'm actually not entirely convinced that the company meets the notability requirements of WP:CORP anyway. Dismas|^(talk) 14:41, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

The whole thing looks like a spamfest to me and I have tagged it for speedy deletion as such. – ukexpat (talk) 14:46, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

• Dismas: actually this article is from a product of this company, but I am not sure if it's justified to have his own page (or at least in the way it was written). Perene (talk) 14:57, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Speedily deleted as too promotional in tone. – ukexpat (talk) 15:27, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Hebrew Experts, Come and Help Decide: Neve Sha'anan or Nave Sha'anan?

(I couldn't technically post my call on the general bulletin board, hence this one here.)

Please come help decide whether the neighbourhood he:נווה שאנן's name will be transcripted in Latin Alphabeth into Neve or rather Nave Sha'anan. We now have in the English Wikipedia three articles and one disambig-page with a misspelled title, and respective following pages with that same error in two foreign language wikis as well as Commons! If there's a more appropriate and efficiant page for this message to be published I'd be thankful if you do so. The rename discussion is here. 94.230.82.25 (talk) 14:40, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

I've posted at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Israel for you, since that's probably the best place to get the attention of Hebrew experts. -- John of Reading (talk) 16:14, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Thank you very much. 94.230.82.25 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:24, 9 December 2011 (UTC).

Help! My article is listed for speedy deletion, and I can't get into the page

H — Preceding unsigned comment added by Infuzein (talk • contribs) 14:57, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

What page? -- kainaw™ 14:58, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Based on contributions, Infuzein is a new username for EAUFC, who was indef blocked for a spam username. So the article would be Engin Akyurek. EAUFC removed the prod, so deletion of the article is not an immediate issue. But apparently the new username is having an autoblock problem; so Infuzein can't edit from his/her usual IP. —teb728 t c 03:38, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia should use social netwroking when appealing to people on Wiki

I see so many different appeals from Wikipedia authors and staff. However, if Wikipedia put a share button on the same page. So any readers who do not afford to pay can at least share it to society by clicking the 'Share' button. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.200.111.19 (talk) 20:22, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

This has been proposed recently (see Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/Archive 81#Does Wikipedia need a “share” button?). Arguments for and against that proposal were brought up and currently there doesn't seem to be a clear consensus within the Wikipedia community for or against such a feature. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 20:33, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

lost Maxime Old article

Hi, I am annecaro961, and I've recently (october/november) be working on an article which was basically a translation in english of the one I had previously written in french on Maxime Old a french decorator. I am not any more able to find it and even not on the deleted ones!!could you hep me? Many thanks anne-caroline schwob — Preceding unsigned comment added by Annecaro961 (talk • contribs) 20:43, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

The article Maxime Old was deleted by Jac16888 (talk · contribs) with a reason of G11 (Unambiguous advertising or promotion). Personally, I don't agree that your article fitted that description, though it wasn't in a fit state to be in the main namespace. If you want, I can restore it and move it to a sub-page of your user area. You can work on it there and only move it back to article space when it's ready. --GraemeL ^(talk) 20:59, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

making Search Box 'Active'

When I load Wiki, I have to click the search box, before typing. Is there sa setting to make it like google? ie when Wiki loads, (imho) the search box should be 'active' so I can begin typing WITHOUT having to click the box.

Am I missing something?

Thanks for listening,

Rich Boyer

PS the 'hacker' in my user refers to my GOLF skills, NOT any computer intrusion abilities <g> — Preceding unsigned comment added by Azhacker (talk • contribs) 22:49, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:FAQ/Main Page#Why doesn't the cursor appear in the search box, like with Google?. Deor (talk) 00:43, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

help Chat Screen Format

When I try to ask a question via chat, the screen formats strangely. It's all text, run together, with no line feeds, paragraph breaks, etc. I can see on the last line, what appears to be an agent ready to help, but the screen offers no place my MY input. Am I missing a setting in the setup?

TIA

Rich Boyer

PS- Be assured, the 'hacker' in my screen name, is in reference to by GOLF skills, not my computer intrusion desires <g> — Preceding unsigned comment added by Azhacker (talk • contribs) 22:54, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

You type in the area at the bottom of the screen - there's an empty box which goes all the way across; if you click in that, you'll get a flashing cursor. Just type a short sentence and hit return. Often, several people are "talking" at the same time. Give it another try; once you get used to it, it starts to make sense.  Chzz  ►  04:42, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

How To Do Footnotes and Short Citations and Reference List for Article.

Hi

I am a beginner editor and I need help figuring out the markup codes needed to add footnotes and short citations to the Wikipedia article on Ethan Allen. I saw that this article uses short citations, with the full name of book, author, publisher, etc, listed only under References.

I don't know what mark-up codes to use to generate this format for footnotes I want to add to the Ethan Allen article.

How does one generate the footnote style called a short citation, but also the name of the book to be put in the Reference section.

Could you give me examples I could use as a model.

The book I wish to cite several times is:

Willard Sterne Randall, Ethan Allen: His Life and Times, W. W. Norton, New York and London, 2011.

Hope you can help me. I have read the HELP articles on Wikipedia footnotes, but am still confused.

Thanks Delancy --Delancy (talk) 23:19, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

I've added help on harvard-style references on the user's talk page, User_talk:Delancy#Harvard-style_references.  Chzz  ►  03:51, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

December 10

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kokyu : hyperlink to WRONG PERSON

The wikipedia page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kokyu correctly indicates me, Eric Golub, a performing artist and ethnomusicologist in northern California, as the American musician who is a performer on that Japanese instrument. However, recently the place where my name is mentioned is hyperlinked to a different Eric Golub, a noted political blogger in southern California. I would appreciate it if this could be corrected! If my name can be hyperlinked, I would request it be linked to my most current music webpage http://myspace.com/ericgolub. Please note, at the bottom of the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kokyu page, I am correctly referenced with my blog http://ericgolub.blogspot.com, and this should help confirm that indeed I am a different individual entirely from political blogger Eric Golub. Thanks very much, Eric Golub Sirqitous (talk) 01:05, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

I removed the link to the wrong person's article. I also removed a link to your blog; Wikipedia links to blogs and myspace pages only in very special circumstances. Sorry —teb728 t c 01:27, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

'google' what defines an english person

Do you know that if you google 'what defines an english person' the 1st google answer is the wikipedia definition of the word cunt.

this should definitely be rectified.

Cheers,

Sam — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.148.130.119 (talk • contribs) 03:31, 10 December 2011‎

Heh; looks like someone has been googlebombing. But I don't see it's anything Wikipedia can - or should - do anything about. If you are concerned about it, you should contact Google; not Wikipedia.  Chzz  ►  03:34, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Contact Randy Meisner

My name Philip Davis and I am trying to find out how to get in contact with Randy Meisner, He was a good friend of my Dad's in the 80's, my dad use to drive for him back then. My dad has past away sense then, I was just hoping to say hi, or write a message to him.I hope you can help, my e-mail is <email removed>. Thank You. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.188.72.203 (talk) 05:44, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

http://www.randymeisneronline.com/ is his web page. Take it to the limit, one more time, my friend! --Jayron32 06:01, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Question about rejected DYK

An article I created was nominated on DYK on November 18. An editor claimed there was a copyright issue a few days later but never clarified what that issue was. My question remained unanswered until today when the hook was rejected. There was no reason given by the closing editor. Is there anyway to appeal this decision? 72.74.206.103 (talk) 05:53, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

The user who left the note was User talk:Sturmvogel 66. You should ask them directly. --Jayron32 06:04, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

I suppose I could but what would be the point if the decision is final? Afterall, Sturmvogel didn't respond to my question after three weeks. 72.74.206.103 (talk) 06:14, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Did you ask them at their talk page? If you aren't interested in why they left their note, why did you even start the discussion here. I certainly don't know why they did what they did. But they might. --Jayron32 06:16, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

First, I was specifically requested to respond on the nomination page. The point of my question was to ask if there was anyway to appeal a rejected DYK nomination. The hook is supported by at least four news articles. If there was a statement that was taken word-for-word (with the exception of an attributed quote) from any of these sources, it could easily have been rewritten. 72.74.206.103 (talk) 06:28, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

My concerns were with The event was intended to have been a class project and school fundraiser for marketing students at Chantilly High and after receiving a promotional flier from a parent at the school. Versus The event was to have been a class project and fund-raiser for marketing students at Chantilly and after receiving a promotional flier from a parent at the school from the article. I'll grant that both could have been rewritten without much issue, but I didn't specifically watchlist the nomination page as I thought it would be automatically watchlisted because I created it. So I had no idea that the editor responded.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 16:01, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Deleting an unwanted page about me

A marketing firm just created a Wikipedia page about me, much to my dismay. I am not a celebrity, there is nothing interesting about me, I am not associated with any events or important people....and I value my privacy. I have edited the page to fix the inaccuracies, but would really prefer to delete it. Is this possible? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Miriam123 (talk • contribs) 11:02, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

The criterion for whether Wikipedia has a page about you is whether or not you are notable - whether other reliable sources have written about you. If they have, then anybody can create an article about you; if they have not, then anybody - including you - may nominate the article for deletion.

If the consensus is that an article is appropriate, then Wikipedia is very concerned that it should contain only reliably sourced material, according to the policy on WP:Biographies of living persons, and you will be welcome to help us achieve that, but subject to the concerns in WP:conflict of interest. --ColinFine (talk) 11:19, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

OK, thanks. As the only reference is to my university's website, I am going to assume that confirms my non-notability and nominate the article for deletion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Miriam123 (talk • contribs) 11:33, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

A deletion request from the subject does not guarantee deletion but is taken into account per Wikipedia:Deletion guidelines for administrators#Biographies of living people. I have added your concern to the request.[1] PrimeHunter (talk) 12:09, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

OSVAH

I want to know about the Meaning of Arabic Word OSVAH — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.254.223.161 (talk) 12:15, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

I have moved your question to Wikipedia:Reference desk/Language#OSVAH.

Here, on the help-desk, we can only help with questions about using Wikipedia. However, the reference desk is able to answer a wide variety of questions; please check back there for responses.  Chzz  ►  12:19, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

MEP external links

The external links "template" for an MEP (example) seems to be outdated. The link which should normally point to the personal page of the MEP, now redirects to a search page. Druzhnik (talk) 13:34, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

I have attempted a fix: [2]. It works on the pages I tested. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:23, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Tired of fighting battles over images

The_Epoch_Times had several non-free, full-color, full-sized images on its page when I got around to making two images of parts of its front page: one for a U.S. edition and one for a Malaysian edition. The latter was deleted. I had no time to fight the battle, but I thought, silly as the reasoning for its removal, I'll live with just one. Now someone is trying to replace the remaining image with an content-free corporate logo that doesn't even represent the paper in most people's minds. I don't know how to deal with situations like this effectively, so I'm seeking help here. The New York Times article, you will see, carries an image of the paper, too. It's much more famous than The Epoch Times, so if any image doesn't belong, the Times image should go first, no? Imagine Reason (talk) 15:54, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

There does seem to be a pattern of using covers in newspaper infoboxes, I'm not sure this is backed up by any consensus (I'd be unsure where to look for such a thing) although Template:Infobox_newspaper does state "image (front page or other)" and has a separate field for a logo (although in this case putting the logo in the logo field just looks ugly). The logo in question (is that really their actual logo?) however, does not seem to pass the threshold of originality and could be considers public domain, see Wikipedia:Public_domain#Non-creative_works. Based on that, I see no reason not to use both images in the article. Either way, it's unhealthy to think of these as "battles", it's a collaborative environment and minor disagreements like this are common, just having a polite discussion with these editors is nothing to be weary of. Яehevkor ✉ 16:20, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

So far as the cover image on New York Times is concerned, that issue is in the public domain, having been published in 1914. —teb728 t c 23:36, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

How to Display Image on Wk Page/ Could Image Be Blocked?

A while back, I created a stub on artist Mary McCleary. It's my first article and I'm still new and learning. I wanted to display an image of her work for the infobox titled "The Falcon Cannot Hear the Falconer." A copy of this image can be found here:

http://img.artknowledgenews.com/files2011nov/Mary-McCleary-Falcon-Cannot-Hear.jpg

I was able to save the image to my PC, but using the same jpeg address, the image does not show up on the Wk page. I read through the image copyright rules, and because the image has been reproduced online, the actual work of art is now in a public collection, the image on the Wk page would not be to scale nor high-resolution, I believe I would not be infringing on copyright per Wk's guidelines. Additionally, I credit the image on the Wk page. Is it possible the gallery (Moody Gallery) who owns this image has blocked Wikipedia from displaying it? Is there any way I can test to see or know if this is the case? Have they perhaps blocked the image from any website displaying it (even though I was able to copy it to my PC), and how would I know if this might be the case? Or perhaps, am I coding it wrong? This is doubtful, since I tested an image by another artist and it showed up fine.

I wrote to Moody Gallery about the Wk page I created, requesting their permission to use the image, and I never heard back. Because I did write them, I obviously tipped someone off that the Wk page exists and that I wanted to use a particular image from the artist. Again, after reading over the copyright rules, I believe I would not infringe on copyright by displaying it. Thanks for any advice or info. The page would be greatly enhanced by displaying this image of the artist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Norlns22 (talk • contribs) 18:30, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

The first problem is that in order for images to be displayed on Wikipedia they either have to be uploaded here or to the commons. The second problem is that the rules on wikipedia state that any picture of a living person must be a free image. Just because it has been published on the web in one place, that does not mean that the image is a free image or that the copyright has been released. GB fan 18:47, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

GB fan is right that to be used this would have to be uploaded to Wikipedia and that just because it has been shown on the web does not make it OK for use. But a work of visual art could be used for sourced critical discussion on, for example, a particular technique or school if the use would significantly increase reader understanding. It would be used, however, opposite the sourced discussion not in the infobox. —teb728 t c 19:18, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the speedy responses! I seem to recall that if a work of art belongs to a public collection, and if that institution allows patrons to photograph works of art belonging to them (which Crystal Bridges does), and the image I include is both not to scale and not high resolution, that it would be permissible to include it in the infobox. Indeed, most Wk art pages have images of the artists' works (usually highly representative works) in the infobox. I do discuss the work in the article, so perhaps I will use it there as opposed to the infobox. Thanks for the responses. I appreciate your patience w/ a new user.Norlns22 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 19:47, 10 December 2011 (UTC).

The image has been tagged for deletion from Commons as it is not a free image. In some cases, non-free works can be uploaded to English Wikipedia but not to Commons. Rmhermen (talk) 22:45, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Rmhermen or anyone else,

Based on the fairly specific criteria I outlined above regarding the image in question, would it be worth my while to attempt to upload the image to English Wk, or should I just not bother since it will be removed from there as well? What's your opinion? Also, I am finding images on other Wk artist pages that seem to fit the same criteria as mine... images of art works currently displayed in public museums that are readily available elsewhere and not shown to scale. Is there any way to trace or backtrack a particular image being used on one of these pages so that I can see exactly where and how it was uploaded? The images I am referring of have been there for quite a while, so obviously they are not glaringly infringing on copyright, or they would have been discovered and removed by now. Perhaps these users used English Wk and/ or a different license tag. On the other hand, the artist I have written about is still living, and I have not found any Wk pages of living artists with any images of actual works. But I am finding *numerous* pages of artists recently deceased (in the past 10 to 15 years) with images of their works in the infobox. The copyright rule about an artist having been for 70 years aside, do copyright rules automatically soften for artists who are no longer living? I have not come across any rule yet where this might be the case, but again, I am finding numerous pages with examples of (recently) deceased artists' works in the infobox, so it seems likely something along these lines is possible. Thanks. Update: I found a picture of the artist herself on her university's website...pics of artists seems fairly common on other living artists' Wk pages. Hopefully this will be okay. :D

Please do not upload any iamges without explicit permission from the copyright-holder. See Wikipedia:Finding images tutorial. Thanks.  Chzz  ►  09:05, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Seeking clarification on copying text from a commercial site without permission

Hi I am a bit confused about what is okay and not okay regarding copying verbatim from a commercial site. The feature on Wiki entitled Kamamalu features a picture of an oil color copying an earlier litho done in 1824. The oil painting, although not a faithful copy in term of medium, size or colors, seems to fit the criteria Wiki has chosen for acceptable use an public domain. The oil painting, locked away for 70 years, made its first appearance on my web site where we sell antiques.(to make money, buy food, pay employees) Portions of the description of the picture, including the provenance, and other information of commercial value was taken verbatim from my site www.aaawt.com or specifically http://www.aaawt.com/html/gallery18.html without permission or even a courtesy request. Information and some sentences, are exact without variation. Details and provenance would be otherwise unknown, and as the oil painting, despite being in the likeness of an earlier rendition of the same person (Kamamalu) is unique. Was it okay for the writer to lift my item description with permission or giving any credit or a link? As the use significantly diminishes the value of the unique item, is there any precendence on Wiki on how things like this are handled. I have read, re-read, searched, etc, and am only going in circles. I am unable to determine the person who lifted the content, and don't know who or how to approach. To keep this in perspective, when we first secured the painting, we contacted the Iolani Palace to see if there may be interest in adding the painting or information about the painting to their collection. We rarely refuse any public request for the use of pictures or information, yet in this case, we feel violated. If the answer is "too bad", that's okay, but it certainly doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy towards the Wiki spirit or process. Where is the trade off between the right of the public and common courtesy or decency, or even commercial rights for sale of unique items? The picture has now been copied on another site The Dreamstress.com http://www.google.com/imgres?um=1&hl=en&safe=off&sa=N&biw=1440&bih=698&tbm=isch&tbnid=FsIbwCR2coVa8M:&imgrefurl=http://thedreamstress.com/tag/hawaii/&docid=VT87DMug-5tfCM&imgurl=http://thedreamstress.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Portrait_of_Queen_Kamamalu_c._1824%2525E2%252580%2525931830_by_an_anonymous_artist-368x500.jpg&w=368&h=500&ei=yqnjTsfVCun10gG3odXtBQ&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=499&vpy=298&dur=9657&hovh=262&hovw=193&tx=123&ty=292&sig=118340225070172660647&page=1&tbnh=146&tbnw=91&start=0&ndsp=24&ved=1t:429,r:18,s:0 by permission of Wiki. Please help me out. Thanks RobMorin — Preceding unsigned comment added by RobMorin (talk • contribs) 19:03, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

We are fierce around here about respecting copyright. Where precisely is the material which is a copyright violation? --Orange Mike | Talk 22:21, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

I assumed from your post that the copyright infringement was at the Kamāmalu article. After getting eyestrain looking for it, I finally found and removed it from File:Portrait of Queen Kamamalu (c. 1824–1830) by an anonymous artist.jpg. Thank you for calling our attention to the problem. Have I got everything? As for finding the person “who lifted the content”: starting from the article, click on the image, then click on the Wikimedia Commons “description page there” link, then click on the “View history” tab at the top of the page. It seem that one person copied all of your provenance, and another removed part of it but left too much. Good luck with your sale. —teb728 t c 04:30, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Unicode subscripts and superscripts needs to be restored to the article namespace

... but it looks like no one short of an administrator has the ability to restore it. Can someone who's a WP admin fix this? Thanks. — ¾-10 20:55, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

The redirect in article space has only one version; so you or any autoconfirmed user could move it back. —teb728 t c 22:34, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

I moved it back. Rmhermen (talk) 22:41, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Basic Citation Questions

If three sentences in a row draw from the same reference, and no direct quotes are used in any of them, is it allowable or even preferable to cite only the last of the three sentences, or should you cite all three? Also, why do some Wk articles have entire pps w/ no citations, and then a reviewer/ editor will stick a "needs citation" label on a sentence (literally one pp further down from a pp w/ zero citations) that already has three or four citations in it? I guess what I'm curious about, and I realize it's not always black and white, is what criteria do reviewers/ editors go by when deciding to label a sentence with a "needs citation" tag? And how can any pp on Wk fly high w/out a single citation? Is this ever conceivable in a properly cited and referenced article? Thanks. Norlns22 (talk) 22:12, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Our verifiability policy requires all quotations and anything that is "challenged or likely to be challenged" to have an inline citation. That's the practical application of it, although really everything in an article should be sourced and cited. If you have three consecutive sentences without quotes or material that you expect will be challenged, just put a citation at the end of them, if it's the same source. Wikipedia articles that have entire paragraphs with no citations are a problem that should be fixed, but unfortunately there's a backlog in dealing with those. The reason for why we focus on "needs citation" labels is because those are used on material that is likely to be challenged, and that's the most important thing for sourcing. Anything questionable without a citation gets a "needs citation" tag and can be removed. Every article, and paragraph, in Wikipedia should have citations, but unfortunately that's just not the case.--Slon02 (talk) 23:06, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Material does not need a citation if it

• is common knowledge and unlikely to be challenged,
• is not a direct quote, and
• is not a paraphrase.

How likely it is that an entire paragraph can be written without triggering one of the conditions that requires a citation depends on the nature of the article. The more esoteric or controversial subject matter is, the less likely a paragraph will not need a citation. Jc3s5h (talk) 23:16, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Norlns22 (talk • contribs) 00:58, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Link to template in article

On Asia Song Festival, under "languages", there's a link to a template on ms-wiki that shouldn't be there (this one). I have tried to remove it, but I can't find any link when I click on "edit this page". I would therefore appreciate it if someone could look into this, because my home wiki is nl-wiki and I'm not really familiar with the technical aspects of en-wiki. Thank you. --ErikvanB (talk) 23:26, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

• I've noticed there's also a link to a template on Mnet Asian Music Awards, again under "languages". No idea what this is all about. --ErikvanB (talk) 23:33, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
  • Fixed - Best regards, Taketa (talk) 00:24, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
    • Oh, I see. Thanks! --ErikvanB (talk) 00:56, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

References to exterior pages

Resolved

I am editing an article on Joss-Ink. There are references included in the article that should link to exterior pages (eg. BBC or Guardian newspaper). For some reason the reference link does not work correctly but when I copy the URL and paste it to my browser then it finds the correct page. Please can you assist. A kind soul (talk) 23:55, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

You had a pipe-symbol | on the end of the URL. I've fixed that reference with this edit. I've also done some tidying-up. See WP:CHEATSHEET for formatting help.  Chzz  ►  02:48, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

December 11

Additional Info to be included

I was just reading the page on Leslie Tone Cabinets, and some of your info is incomplete. In the "models" section there is a whole series that have been completely left out all together. I have attached a link to the information that is needed to complete the models listing with info...and pictures...

http://www.captain-foldback.com/Leslie_sub/proline3.htm

I'm sorry, but that link does not look like a reliable source. It would be much better to refer to a more official publication, for such facts; maybe a magazine/newspaper review of the models. If you can find an appropriate source, you can just add the information yourself. If you're not so sure, add comments on the "discussion page" (AKA "talk page").

I'm not absolutely sure which article you meant, but I think it's probably Leslie speaker? In which case, the discussion page is Talk:Leslie speaker. Best,  Chzz  ►  02:59, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Wedding performed on top of Devils Tower 1992, Time magazine carried the story

There was a wedding on top of Devil's Tower in 1992. The wedding was performed by the late Justice of the Peace, Ronald E. Waugh, (July 10th 1953 - Aug. 4th, 2008)Time magazine reported it, as did local media, i.e. Sundance Times, Moorcroft Leader, and others. I was once engaged to, and lived with Ron Waugh shortly after this event. I do not recall the names of the couple who were married, or the names of their wedding party. Ron Waugh had never climbed before, so it was quite an event in his very colorful life. He performed numerous weddings around the base of the tower, but to my knowledge, this was the only one ever done on top of the tower. I believe the couple was from Illinois, but I'm not sure. I think this is an event that should appear in the recent history of the Devil's Tower National Monument. Mccattlee (talk) 01:12, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

I have copied your comment over to Talk:Devils Tower National Monument.

All contributions are welcome, but you need to say exactly where the facts can be checked.

If it says something happened in that specific mag - sure, add it; anyone can edit.  Chzz  ►  09:00, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Why isn't there a page for author Thomas William Simpson?

Why isn't there a page for author Thomas William Simpson? He has written several books, like "The Fingerprints of Armless Mike", "The Caretaker" and "The Gypsy Storyteller".— Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.207.142.125 (talk) 01:40, 11 December 2011

I'm not sure if he meets the notability requirements. If he does, please feel free to write an article about him; see WP:FIRST.  Chzz  ►  08:56, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

missing film in andy griffith wiki

Missing film entitled"a song for the season" with andy griffith and naomi judd. (probably alot more...he's been in alot) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.148.133.24 (talk) 02:52, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Leave your comment at Talk:Andy Griffith, where you can reach people interested in the article, or if you have a reliable source, you can add it to the article yourself. —teb728 t c 07:42, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

How do you crop a picture?

How do you go about cropping a picture you have uploaded to Wk Commons and are using on a page? Thanks. Norlns22 (talk) 04:47, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

You need to crop the picture externally and then re-upload it. Personally, I use Microsoft Paint for easy cropping but you can use more advanced software if you prefer. Ryan Vesey Review me! 04:49, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks... I did it. It was pretty easy, but I'm not sure if the end result is much better. Can I change the dimensions of the photo by dictating the photo size in the infobox parameters, or does that line refer to pixel density? I see that, for example and sticking w/ living artists, the Cindy Sherman photo is a lot smaller than the Damian Hirst photo. Right now, the Mary McCleary photo I have cropped and uploaded seems a bit big -- it's the same size as the Damian Hirst photo (which makes me wonder; is that the default size?) Also, should I adjust the pixel count for the photo now that I have cropped it? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Norlns22 (talk • contribs) 06:23, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Actually, examining the photos more closely, I'm thinking the Cindy Sherman pic has been severely cropped prior to upload and that's why it is smaller. Am I correct? Norlns22 (talk) 06:25, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Today's featured picture is File:Anscombe's_quartet_3.svg. In a small size, it's maybe not so great, but click it for a bigger version.

You shouldn't worry about it.

You should use the default size; in an infobox, just put | image = Cindy sherman.jpg or whatever, and let the system deal with the sizing.

In other places, put [[File:Whatever.jpg|thumb|This is a picture of a flower]] etc.

That sets it to 'standard size' for a thumbnail. Let the person reading it decide how to display the pic.  Chzz  ►  08:44, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Dead Link on Page

What would be the appropriate way to mark a link in the references as dead? Is the most appropriate markup verification needed or is it some other markup that I am not aware of? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DoctorK88 (talk • contribs) 06:31, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Tag it {{dl}} —teb728 t c 07:23, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

References listed side by side in columns versus one long column

Greetings (again),

I have a lot of references for an article I am in the process of finishing. I happened to just read the Wk article on Tim Tebow, and noticed that the references on that page are in columns of three, side by side which is nice because it takes up less space vertically. Is there formatting that needs to be done for that, or after so many references, does the Wk template automatically start to list them in columns? Thanks! Norlns22 (talk) 06:40, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

You'll have to add some code to the {{reflist}} template. {{reflist|colwidth=30em}} will make the references display in columns depending on the size of the user's window. Goodvac (talk) 06:45, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Okay, this is really weird, but I know I saw them side by side, but I just went back to the Tebow page to see if there was any code I could copy for listing references in three columns, and now it's all one long column! Was I seeing things? Crazy! Norlns22 (talk) 06:43, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

That's probably because you changed your window size. See my response above. Goodvac (talk) 06:45, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

LOL Yes I was using Firefox when I first saw it and then when I checked back was using a Windows browser. I copied the code from the Tebow site (same as what you typed). Thanks for your response!! Norlns22 (talk) 07:02, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

No problem, glad to be of assistance! Goodvac (talk) 08:34, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

copyright for photographs

Hello Wikipedia

I am compiling a brochure about current world events and wish to know whether I may use your Christchurch earthquake photographs for my brochure? Many thanks.

Fiona 222.152.162.138 (talk) 07:29, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

You certainly may! Just remember to attribute the creator, per the CC-BY-SA requirements. Goodvac (talk) 07:34, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

I have removed your email address to protect your privacy. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:44, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Online versus traditional (non-digital) sources

Are Wk articles sourced entirely online considered inferior in quality in any way to articles that are sourced traditionally or use a mixture of traditional and digital sources? Thanks! Norlns22 (talk) 07:45, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Articles that take advantage of all of the highest quality sources on the article topic are of superior quality. This is often taken into account during Featured Article or A class review; though, many articles consult all the highest quality sources without going after an FA or A class recognition. Sometimes the highest quality sources are available online (DOI scholarly articles, for example). Sometimes the highest quality sources are exclusively off line. Normally the highest quality sources are both online and offline. Fifelfoo (talk) 07:59, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Great answer! Thanks! Norlns22 (talk) 08:13, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Fourier series

i recently edited "relationship between fourier series and fourier transform" and cited a link that has been removed.but the limk is really informative.kindly cosider it again. thnx — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anurag252 (talk • contribs) 08:09, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi. Welcome.

Using that logged-in account, you've not made any other edits (apart from this question), so I cannot tell which article you are asking about.

External links are only appropriate if they "can be helpful to the reader, but they should be kept minimal, meritable, and directly relevant to the article" - WP:EL.

If it meets the requirements of that policy - please add it; or ask again here, saying exactly what link you think should be added to what article. Thanks!  Chzz  ►  08:54, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Is this the link removal you are asking about? —teb728 t c 11:13, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Linking a Word to a Different Wk Article...is this possible?

Resolved

Sorry, I am full of questions tonight. I am curious, is there any way to redirect a linked item in an article to the proper link, not the link the actual word used in the article links to? Here is my specific example: I have written an article on an artist, and I use a quote that mentions the art movement Conceptualism. I linked it, but now I have just realized that the article titled Conceptualism is about philosophy and not the art movement. The art article concerning the art movement is titled Conceptual art. Is there any way to link the word in my article "Conceptualism" (w/out obviously actually having to change the wording to Conceptual Art) to the art article? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Norlns22 (talk • contribs) 08:19, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes. [[Conceptualism|Conceptual art]].

Example; if I put I am from [[England]]. I am a [[Dentistry|dentist]]. It appears as: I am from England. I am a dentist.

See WP:LINKING.  Chzz  ►  08:24, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Chzz...worked great! Norlns22 (talk) 09:15, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Infobox Additions...what am I doing wrong?

Greetings,

I am trying to create an infobox for the article Grand Rapids Art Museum. I have not previously worked on this article. I imported the template for the infobox from the Chicago Art Institute, but also wanted to include the names of the architectural firms (which Chicago does not include). I noticed that Albright-Knox Art Gallery does include the names of architects, and I used the exact same code that article uses for this, which is: | architect = but it is not working. Is there some type of master art infobox template users must import in order for the infobox to appear properly? I really cannot figure out what I am doing wrong, besides possibly having the entry be out of order by not using some master template provided by Wk. Thanks for any advice or info! Norlns22 (talk) 09:20, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Chicago Art Institute uses Template:Infobox museum. Albright-Knox Art Gallery uses Template:Infobox NRHP. They have different parameters documented at the linked template page seen at the bottom of the edit window on articles using them. Template:Infobox museum has no architect parameter. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:07, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

There is an old unanswered request at Template talk:Infobox museum#Architect. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:09, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Thank you and that makes perfect sense. Norlns22 (talk) 10:09, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

submitted article to be accepted from Sandbox, my mistake, I didn't know it was for nonregistered editors

I'm a new editor(May 2011) and registered user with several articles on the history of the Orne in Lower Normandy France. I wrote the article Écouché in the Second World War in the sandbox not realizing that it was for unregistered users. I understand the wait is long and that is fine with me if this is an appropriate location, but if not then could someone move the article to where it is suppose to be? The other articles were accepted immediately, to my memory. Thank you for the attention to this matter. Mlane (talk) 11:42, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Écouché in the Second World War

The Articles for creation system can be used by registered users as well as unregistered. I expect your post here will attract a reviewer; the article looks fine to me. -- John of Reading (talk) 15:47, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Uploading files

Hi. I'm trying to upload an file to this page but for some reason it shows the messgae that I can't. Why? When I try to upload it shows this:

"The action you have requested is limited to users in one of the groups: Autoconfirmed users, Administrators, Confirmed users.

Return to Main Page"

Anotherdeadone (talk) 11:29, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

When you make three more edits, your account will be autoconfirmed and able to upload files to the English Wikipedia. You can already upload files to http://commons.wikimedia.org (if they have an appropriate license) and use them here. Rebirth (album) redirects to Rebirth. The latter is not an article but a disambiguation page and should not contain images. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:36, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Oh, sorry, I meant Rebirth (Pain album). But thanks from the information. Anotherdeadone (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 11:39, 11 December 2011 (UTC).

What is the image you want to add? Note that Commons only accepts files which have been released under a license such as a Creative Commons License. Do you hold the copyright for the image? Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 11:43, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Picture from Public University Website Okay?

Is a picture (w/ no copyright message or warning or symbol) of a professor from a public university website that is accessible to all internet users okay to use on Wk Commons or Wk En? I uploaded it, and the box after it finished uploading onto Wk Commons stated there was no restrictions on the copyright, but I assume this might be due to the license tag I used and not an external message from the source. I just got a message that the image will be removed in seven days. I continue to view many articles on artists, both living and deceased, whose editors or authors have included images, both of the artist him or herself, and of art work, in the infobox. I have a hard time believing the editors and authors of all of those pages took these pictures themselves. So, how are they getting around all of this copyright quicksand and shrapnel and managing to both upload, post, and retain images in articles despite the constant vigilance against copyright infringement? There must be a way. Someone in an earlier thread mentioned that uploading pics to WK En is less stringent than Wk Commons. Is this true? Thanks for any advice!! Also, I uploaded the image in question TWICE (after two cropping sessions on Windows Paint) after first uploading it, and both of the times I re-uploaded, I only included the actual image file info, not bothering to fill in any of the other blanks. Might this be why I received a removal notice? Norlns22 (talk) 12:14, 11 December 2011 (UTC) Also one last question... would a picture of a public museum be okay to use, or would I need permission from the website that is hosting/ displaying it?

No, most pictures you find on websites are not usable. A copyright notice is not needed for protection. One of the few ways of knowing that a picture is OK is an explicit statement that the picture is licensed under a free license like {{cc-by-sa}}. No non-free content can be hosted on Commons in any case. Here on English Wikipedia non-free content can be used sometimes but only under the restrictive conditions of WP:NFCC. Among the restrictions: non-free content may not be used if a free replacement exists or could be created that would serve the same encyclopedic purpose. (For a living person such free substitute could almost always be created.) And non-free content may be used only its use would significantly increase reader understanding. (So it can’t be used just to illustrate a mention of the subject of the picture.) —teb728 t c 12:55, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

For your last question: If you are asking about a picture of the outside of the museum, it depends on the country; different countries have different freedom of panorama laws. If you are asking about a picture of artwork inside the museum, it is even more complicated: It may depend on freedom of panorama laws. If not it depends on the copyright status of the artwork. And if the artwork is 3-dimensional, the photographer has a copyright on top of any possible copyright of the artist. If the picture is under copyright, you need permission of the artist and/or photographer—not that of the website. But the website may indicate what permission the artist and/or photographer has given. —teb728 t c 13:08, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Oh, and as to File:03-mccleary l rdax 250x376.jpg: You need to send proof that Stephen F. Austin State University (or more likely a professional photographer who took the photo and retained copyright) has released the photo into the public domain (or less unlikely licensed it under a free license). (I can think of no reason to believe they have.) See WP:COPYREQ for how to handle that proof. —teb728 t c 13:25, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

As to Commons:File:Psychic.jpg. It is VERY unlikely the painting is in the public domain. If the artist has released the picture into the public domain (or less unlikely licensed it under a free license), prove it as described at WP:COPYREQ. —teb728 t c 13:40, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your thorough response. I really do appreciate it! I have an idea...why doesn't Wk just ban all pictures? This is way too complicated and hardly worth the effort. :D — Preceding unsigned comment added by Norlns22 (talk • contribs) 19:25, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Markup to add an image parameter to an infobox

I want to add an image parameter to {{Infobox integer sequence}}. What markup do I need to add to the infobox? Is it sufficient to simply add a new label to the markup and then simply increment the labels of the other parameters? For example, is it sufficient to simply follow the implementation instructions at Help:Designing infoboxes#Implementing and add

| label1 =
| caption = {{{caption|}}}
| data1 = {{#if:{{{image|}}}|[[Image:{{{image}}}|22em]]}}

as the first parameter to the infobox? Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 13:23, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Images are handled specially by Template:Infobox; there is no need to increment all the data labels. I've boldly edited the template so that it supports images in the same way as Template:Infobox person does. Any problems, you know where to find the undo button :) -- John of Reading (talk) 16:00, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

You are awesome. Thanks. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 16:18, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Need Feedback on this Software Testing related term

Hello Friends, I have this small contribution from my end: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Test_Automation_Interface live for 24 hours. Need someone to review it and remove the "new unreviewed article" tag. Request for feedback led me here. Thank you for all your help and support. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.103.114.110 (talk) 13:46, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Test Automation Interface is not same as Test Automation

Hi,

Regarding this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Test_Automation_Interface It has been suggested to merge it with Test Automation.

• Firstly, I disagree with the same, as I do not believe test automation interface to be a part of test automation. It is related to Test Automation but a super set of the same.

• Secondly, how do I merge the article, I am not able to locate my article in Wikipedia to merge it.

Thank you for all the help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anandgopalkri (talk • contribs) 14:26, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Test Automation Interface (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Test automation (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

You can access the previous versions of the article via its "history" link; or this direct link will take you to the text of the article just before it was reduced to a redirect. I suggest you begin a discussion at Talk:Test automation. More editors are watching that page since it is an established article. -- John of Reading (talk) 16:09, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Philadelphia Here I Come!

Our article title is Philadelphia Here I Come!. However, a Google Books search reveals that all mentions of the book use the title Philadelphia, Here I Come!. Can an admin move the page? Albacore (talk) 15:23, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

This doesn't need an admin; see Wikipedia:Moving a page for instructions on doing it yourself. The article desperately needs references to reliable sources to show readers that other people have been writing about this play. -- John of Reading (talk) 16:17, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

It does need an admin because there are two versions at Philadelphia, Here I Come!. —teb728 t c 22:32, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

I have moved it. It could also have been requested at Wikipedia:Requested moves. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:54, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Third person editting

At the following page; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFC_award#Background_and_History_of_NFC The paragraph should be written as a third person ans the use of words like "our" should be avoided. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.177.98.119 (talk) 15:24, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

The article has been tagged as not having the proper tone since September. All it takes is somebody (for example, you) deciding to do the job. --ColinFine (talk) 18:29, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

How did this image get flipped?

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The image of the Bergen Place Monument in Seattle ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergen#International_relations ) is sideways for some reason. If you click the image, it is also sideways. However, if you click it again for the full resolution version, it is the right side up. What happened? --Ifrit (Talk) 16:12, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Software happened! I have added it to a two-day backlog of images that need rotation; if you visit the file page again you will find a notice explaining some of the technical background. -- John of Reading (talk) 16:24, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Alright, thanks.--Ifrit (Talk) 16:29, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

We now have a template to answer this question— {{HD/rotate}}:

The MediaWiki software now (starting at 5 October 2011) looks at image metadata such as EXIF and automatically rotates the image when it is uploaded. At the bottom of the file page there is a Metadata section—click on "Show extended details" to see the orientation.

The file may be stored on Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons. If the text below the image is "This is a file from the Wikimedia Commons", then it is on Commons.

• If the file is on Commons, then click on "description page there" to directly open the image on Commons.
  • If you are registered, then (log in) use the Request rotation link directly below the image. Then a bot will correct the orientation automatically. To see the backlog time, check the help page.
  • If you are not registered, then edit the page and add {{rotate}} per the documentation.
  • See also: Commons:Commons:Rotation
• If the file is on Wikipedia, then
  • the file will need to be downloaded, fixed using editing software and reuploaded.
  • the file could be moved to Commons (if it is allowed there - e.g. fair use images are not) and rotated by bot (see above) there.
  • If you don't have any of those abilities, then you can add {{Cleanup image|rotate 90 degrees clockwise}} {{Cleanup image|rotate 90 degrees anticlockwise}} or {{Cleanup image|rotate 180 degrees}} to the top of the file description page. You can also place a request on the Help Desk. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 22:57, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

I fixed this one manually. Done.  Chzz  ►  00:26, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Army Mules (December 2011 Update)

Wikipedia page "Army Mules" needs updating. The two latest Army Mules donated to West Point in December 2011 are named Ranger "III" and Stryker. Ranger III is named in honor of all Army Rangers, living and dead. The donor (in perpetuity) for Army Mules continues to be Steve Townes, a 1975 West Point graduate. Articles about the 2 new Army Mules can be found on Google, and a new 3-minute video about Army Mules can be found on YouTube. Article: http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20111210/NEWS/112100335 Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGYWM0hP7xg Steve Townes is CEO of Ranger Aerospace Corporation in Greenville SC. As a cadet, he was Head Rabble Rouser and a Mule Rider.

Other Information: www.rangeraerospace.com; www.rangerinternational.com; www.rangersaudia.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.33.86.66 (talk) 18:14, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Please post your comments to Talk:Army Mules where people interested in the article will see them. —teb728 t c 22:43, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Altered Picture...is this okay to use?

Greetings,

Okay, starting over: if an image is altered, both in color and is cropped, may it be used to show the technique of an artist, or is it still copyright infringement. When I say cropped, I mean 2/3 of the painting will be gone. Any ideas? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Norlns22 (talk • contribs) 19:55, 11 December 2011‎ (UTC)

An altered image is a derivative work; the alteration does not abrogate the artist’s copyright. But a photo of artwork could be used under Wikipedia’s non-free content policy if the use significantly increases reader understanding of sourced critical discussion of the artist’s technique. And I suppose that if an altered version does that as well as the original, it could be used too. (But wouldn’t color alteration destroy the encyclopedic usefulness?) Non-free content, however, can only be uploaded to Wikipedia. Commons accepts no non-free content. —teb728 t c 22:07, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Good question on the color alteration. The artist's perspective and subject matter are more important than the color in this particular case. It sounds as though Wk Commons' monitors are going to remove all images unless one has something like two certified letters granting permission and the art work is at least 1,000 years old, right? :D Seriously, thanks for your reply and info. I just wish someone had told me not to even attempt to upload anything to Wk Commons. Giant waste of an afternoon. I don't think a pic of my big toe from a smart phone would even pass. Who's to say I'm me.

A pic of your big toe from a smart phone would not be harassed if you sourced it as “Own work” and tagged it {{self|cc-by-sa-3.0}} or equivalent. (But don’t be tempted to pass off a derivative work as your own.) Uploads of supposedly free content (like yours to Commons) that are not sourced to the uploader require proof that the copyright owner has licensed it under a free license (or released it to the public domain). In most cases that proof is handled by a consent letter or email as described in WP:COPYREQ. Other proofs include a free license at the published source or demonstration that the copyright has expired. Even own work may require proof if it was published elsewhere without indicating a free license. —teb728 t c 01:52, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Recreation of deleted page by previously blocked editor

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I'm not sure where to ask for help on this one. Today the article Buckland air disaster was created by User:RYAN KIRKPATRICK"2. The article is very similar to one with the same title which was deleted under CSD G5 in May 2011 which was created by User:Ryan kirkpatrick who was banned and blocked indefinitely " because CheckUser confirms that the operator has abusively used one or more accounts." I think I should probably point this out to someone but I'm not sure who?— Rod ^talk 21:54, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

I've tagged the page for speedy deletion per G5. Goodvac (talk) 22:06, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Article has been deleted, user blocked.  Chzz  ►  23:57, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

December 12

Deleting a File I Uploaded ?

Greetings,

I would like to delete a file I uploaded to Wk Commons. I have already taken it down from the page I was using it on. I received one of those speedy deletion nomination notices, so it is only a matter of time before it is removed anyway, but why wait? Also, the same user appears to be tracking me each time I upload a pic so I'm done; no more attempts at uploading images for me. It's a huge waste of time and it's simply way too big of a hassle. And I don't like the thought or feeling of being hounded that way by one particular user, as if I'm being monitored. It's really kinda creepy. So, can I delete the pic file myself to just get this over with, or do I have to wait for the powers that be to do it? And if I can delete it myself, how do I go about doing that? I found all the info for the file on my Wk Commons Talk page, but I could not see how to edit or delete it on there. (I'm still very new to Wk, if this was not obvious already). Thanks!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Norlns22 (talk • contribs) 01:21, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

If you put it on commons, it's out of the jurisdiction of the local admins. Just wait for the guys on that side to deal with it.
Oh, and try not to be too discouraged by the labyrinthine image policy. Copyright law is not exactly known for being the easiest thing in the world to understand. --erachima talk 01:27, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks a ton for answering my post, and thanks for acknowledging my frustration! That means a lot, to be truthful. :D

Started new Article Mulbarapa

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:I_dream_of_horses (Added {{new unreviewed article}} tag to article (TW)) 01:24, 12 December 2011‎. Would anyone like to give feedback on this new Article?

Unfortunately, I have some concerns. While there appear to be three references, two are to Facebook pages, which do not usually qualify as acceptable references. There are some rare exceptions, but I cannot view the pages, so I can't confirm wheyther these qualify as exceptions.

The text of the article is uncomfortably close to the text of the third reference. It is not enough to simply change a few of the words See Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing for more information.--SPhilbrickT 13:32, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Here is my feedback. The article does not provide sufficient context: Perhaps the Mulbarapa are Australian aborigines, but the article does not make that clear. Who is Ngurunderi? Is that a mythic figure? Perhaps the article written from an in-world mythic point of view; if so, it does not make that clear. Alltogether I find it unencyclopedic and difficult to read. —teb728 t c 13:59, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

INFORMATION ON AC # 6076

Information on Jack Toone {death} Ac #6076.

Thanks.... Carol Hawkins

(Redacted) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.168.98.212 (talk) 03:06, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Hello Carol. Do you realize that you are at the help desk of Wikipedia, an encyclopedia with a few million articles? I ask because your question seem to presume a context we don't have and we do not have any account numbers here which I take "Ac" followed by a number to be a reference to. This particular page is a help desk for answering question about using the site. We also have a reference desk where you can ask general knowledge question but you should try to be more clear about what exactly you are seeking.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:21, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Air Canada Flight 6076 flies (SVG) Stavanger, NO to (CPH) Copenhagen, DK. Perhaps Jack Toone died on such a flight. There was a Jack Toone killed on a flight in Alaska in about 1955, but I can't see a flight number or any other information here. Bielle (talk) 03:32, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

problems asking a question

I have trouble with this.

1) I try to log in. I cannot log in. I am told I will be sent a new password but do not receive any notice.

2) I try to find info on Michael Jacot, author of The Last Butterfly (Ballentine Novel 24406; Libr of congr 73-16803; SBN 345-24406-0-150), Ballentine Books 1975. No article on the author or the book. But I cannot understand the procedure for asking for an article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.51.88.199 (talk) 04:32, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

1. Have you made an account? Are you certain you made it using the e-mail you are checking? Have you checked your spam box?

2. The place to list that article would be Wikipedia:Requested articles/Culture and fine arts/Literature#Authors (poets, dramatists and fiction writers). However, that process is incredibly backlogged and it's generally easier to either write the thing yourself, or else find someone who works on similar articles and personally ask them. Good luck. --erachima talk 07:11, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Citations..basic formatting

I printed out the full Wk tutorial, but I need some basic info on citing references. Are website addresses included after the url supposed to be italicized when cited? If you find an article on, say, the online edition of The New York times, is that a website reference, or a newspaper reference, or either/ both depending on the author's preference? MLA shows a hybrid citation style, where you treat an online citation as a newspaper or magazine (depending on the site of course) but add the verbiage "on the web" after the title of the mag or paper. Also, should I be including authors' names of articles whenever possible? I see a fairly wide variety of citation styles as I peruse various articles on Wk. Is there one, definitive or preferred way to cite references? Also, MLA, as far as I can tell or unless the site I visited was outdated, instructs authors to underline newspaper titles. This made me curious, because I've never come across any Wk articles that use underlined text in citations. Thanks for any info or links to where I can learn more about proper citation. Norlns22 (talk) 05:02, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi Norlns22. We are really not so concerned with what style is used but with providing sufficient attribution so that anyone who wishes can read a citation, understand what the source is and can find it themselves to verify that the information it is cited for is correct. We actually don't prefer any particuar citation style over another, but we do prefer that once one style is used, the use stays fairly consistent within the confines of a particular article. See Wikipedia:Citing sources#Citation style. We have citation templates that standardize citation styles, and once you understand how to use them, they make it easy because the order you will it out does not matter; they automatically place the punctuation and order of information for you. For a New York Times article I would suggest using the citation template {{cite news}}. An example:

<ref>{{cite news|url=http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=FB0A11FD3D551B7A93C2A81783D85F408285F9|title=Change Is Planned in Balkline Game|date=August 10, 1924|work=The New York Times|page=24|format=subscription or fee required}}</ref>

which will format in the references section of an article as

"Change Is Planned in Balkline Game" (subscription or fee required). The New York Times. August 10, 1924. p. 24.

Other common templates: For books, {{cite book}}; for magazines and other journals, {{cite Journal}}; and for online sources that are not the online version of something also in print, {{cite web}}. If you click on the template names I have provided it will take you to the template page where there is documentation provided on usage. See also Wikipedia:Citation templates, Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners with citation templates, Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners, Wikipedia:Citing sources/Example style and there's many other pages in the area found through the "see also" sections of these links.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 05:47, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

See Help:Citation Style 1 which has an overview of a common set of templates. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 11:34, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Infobox weird behavior

Why am I getting "[[File:|frameless|alt=]]" at the top of my infobox? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hg3300 (talk • contribs) 06:22, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

It's because of the way you've formatted the image. The code you will want to use to get that to go away is:

| image = Harold Wagner.jpg

| caption = Avatar used by Harold on the web.

| imagesize = 220px

| alt = Philadelphia Eagle

for the section of the infobox from the image to the alt parameters. - Purplewowies (talk) 06:58, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Need help with replacing image

Hi everyone. The coat of arms file for Central African Republic has a svg version ready to replace it. I'm not sure how to technically do this and switch them out. Any help is appreciated! --Turn685 (talk) 08:35, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

You need to upload the new image if you haven't already, and then edit the lead section to change the value of the "image_coat" parameter in the info box. Which step are you having trouble with? -- John of Reading (talk) 08:44, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

My edit was deleted and i would like to take issue with whoever deleted it!

Hi, I recently offered some edit material to a rather basic article but within 24 hours it was deleted without explanation. How do I at least get this reviewed as I am now blocked from reinstating or offering an amended edit contribution?Origmadcol1 (talk) 09:45, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Well, the process is going to depend on what the page was. Generally if a page you create is summarily deleted, it's because you've either inadvertently violated copyright law or wrote an article that read like an advertisement. What was the article? --erachima talk 09:52, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Your contribution record shows no previous edits other than the question above. We can't review your previous edit without you telling us what it was. - David Biddulph (talk) 09:55, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Why was my page deleted? for general help. Its impossible to give more specific help when you don't reveal the page name or username. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:53, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Archive help

I've read User:MiszaBot/Archive_HowTo, but there must be something I've missed. My talk page hasn't archived in some time. I once had a problem due to undated material on the page, but that doesn't seem to be the issue. Any thoughts?--SPhilbrickT 13:17, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

User:MiszaBot/Archive HowTo#Setting up archiving says: "Put the following template at the top of the page". It hasn't been in the lead section since [3]. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:30, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

what defines an English person

Search above  ???