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'{{Skip to talk}} {{ArticleHistory |action1=FAC |action1date=20:16, 22 October 2006 |action1link=Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Elvis Presley/archive1 |action1result=not promoted |action1oldid=83063082 |action2=GAN |action2date=00:41, 7 July 2007 |action2link=Talk:Elvis Presley/archive19#Good article nomination on hold |action2result=listed |action2oldid=146894542 |action3=GAR |action3date=03:09, 25 November 2007 |action3link=Talk:Elvis Presley/archive22#Delisted GA |action3result=delisted |action3oldid=173645743 |action4=FAC |action4date=19:38, 30 January 2010 |action4link=Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Elvis Presley/archive3 |action4result=not promoted |action4oldid=340894651 |action5=FAC |action5date=18:44, 23 February 2010 |action5link=Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Elvis Presley/archive4 |action5result=promoted |action5oldid=345852096 |topic=music |currentstatus=FA |maindate=January 8, 2012 }} {{Talk header|search=y}} {{User:MiszaBot/config | archiveheader = {{aan}} | maxarchivesize = 125K | counter = 30 | archive = Talk:Elvis Presley/Archive %(counter)d | algo = old(30d) | minthreadsleft=4 }} {{Auto archiving notice |bot=MiszaBot I |age=1 |units=month }} {{User:HBC Archive Indexerbot/OptIn |target= Talk:Elvis Presley/Archive index |mask= Talk:Elvis Presley/Archive <#> |leading_zeros=0 |indexhere=yes |template= }} {{American English}} {{Vital article|topic=People|level=3|class=FA}} {{WikiProjectBannerShell|collapsed=yes|1= {{WikiProject Biography|living=no|class=FA|musician-work-group=yes|filmbio-work-group=yes|listas=Presley, Elvis|core=yes|musician-priority=Top}} {{WikiProject Elvis Presley|class=FA|importance=Top|listas=Presley, Elvis}} {{WikiProject Tennessee|class=FA|importance=High|listas=Presley, Elvis}} {{WikiProject United States|class=FA|importance=Top|MS=yes|MS-importance=Top|USMusic=yes|USMusic-importance=top|portal1-name=United States|portal1-link=Selected culture biography/9}} {{WikiProject Nevada|class=FA|listas=Presley, Elvis|b1=yes|b2=yes|b3=yes|b4=yes|b5=yes|b6=yes|importance=Mid|Las Vegas=yes|Las Vegas-importance=high}} {{WikiProject Rock music|class=FA|importance=Top|listas=Presley, Elvis}} {{WP1.0|v0.5=pass|class=FA|category=Arts|VA=yes}} }} {{On this day |date1=2004-04-21|oldid1=6718180|date2=2005-02-22|oldid2=13972237|date3=2007-08-16|oldid3=151704700|date4=2008-08-16|oldid4=231847197|date5=2009-08-16|oldid5=308242610|date6=2010-08-16|oldid6=379292203|date7=2010-12-21|oldid7=403555255|date8=2013-08-16|oldid8=568674590}} {{tmbox|type=style|text=[[Elvis Presley#Questions over cause of death|''Questions over cause of death'']] gives the balanced views of various experts. Please note that although Nichopoulos, Presley's main physician, was at the time ''"exonerated of criminal liability for the singer's death, ... His license was suspended for three months. It was permanently revoked in the 1990s after the Tennessee Medical Board brought new charges of over-prescription."'' Consensus among regular editors who judge it important to preserve a reliable, mainstream view in this encyclopedia article is that the discredited doctor's opinions, such as those published in his 2010 book, and including his attempt to emphasize constipation as the likely cause of death, should not be propagated by Wikipedia, and hence receive no coverage in this article.}} {{Portal|Elvis Presley}} {{find sources notice}} == Did Elvis visit the UK (London)? == According to [http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-561170/Revealed----Elviss-secret-visit-London-little-help-rock-rival-Tommy-Steele.html] [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7361159.stm] [http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/news/20080422_elvis.shtml] Elvis did in fact visit the UK, London to be precise with his friend Tommy Steele. Should this not be mentioned? Has it been accepted as a fact or dismissed?--[[User:Windows66|Windows66]] ([[User talk:Windows66|talk]]) 18:15, 22 November 2013 (UTC) :Nobody has come forward with any proof, and members of Presley's entourage who were with him in Germany have categorically [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7376248.stm denied it]. Until a third party can corroborate the story, it should probably be dismissed as a bit of creative self-promotion on Steele's part. [[User:Pstoller|Pstoller]] ([[User talk:Pstoller|talk]]) 03:02, 26 November 2013 (UTC) == Elvis Aron Presley == {{edit semi-protected|<!-- Page to be edited -->|answered=yes}} <!-- Begin request --> Please change ''"Elvis Aaron Presley"'' to ''"Elvis Aron Presley"'' evidence for this request can be seen by this YouTube video at the one minuet mark http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2sUZ16hpmU&list=PL4708288DABCA70F3 As seen in this documentary of Elvis if you skip to one minuet into the video they explain that Elvis changed the spelling of his middle name to one ''"A"'' rather than 2 so that his name was closer to his twins name ''Garon'' who sadly past away. Thank you, Kind Regards ''Robert Holmes'' <!-- End request --> [[Special:Contributions/80.0.73.29|80.0.73.29]] ([[User talk:80.0.73.29|talk]]) 20:28, 22 November 2013 (UTC) :[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:ESp --> please see Note a (linked from the boldface name that opens the article), where this is discussed at length and is well sourced. By the way, YouTube is not a reliable source, and especially not a sensationalist video like that one. --[[User:Stfg|Stfg]] ([[User talk:Stfg|talk]]) 21:12, 22 November 2013 (UTC) {{edit semi-protected|<!-- Page to be edited -->|answered=yes}} <!-- Begin request --> Please change a plain-text ''Elvis'' (early in the article) to a link to the article ''Elvis (name)'' i.e. Elvis > [[Elvis (name)|Elvis]] Regards, [[Special:Contributions/203.6.146.5|203.6.146.5]] ([[User talk:203.6.146.5|talk]]) 03:50, 3 January 2014 (UTC) <!-- End request --> :[[File:Pictogram voting question.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Question:'''<!-- Template:ESp --> Why? All mentions of Elvis in this article are clearly talking about Elvis Presley. There's no need to link from here to information on the etymology of his first name or other people named Elvis. --'''[[User talk:ElHef|<font color="red">El</font><font color="orange">Hef</font>]]'''&nbsp;<small>([[Special:Contributions/ElHef|<font color="black">Meep?</font>]])</small> 01:13, 7 January 2014 (UTC) == Why? == This article does not address one major issue, which is the reason for his self destruction. I am sure there are sources out there that could provide an explanation regarding the reasons for his excessive prescription drug use. - [[User:Mistercontributer|Mistercontributer]] ([[User talk:Mistercontributer|talk]]) 17:48, 26 December 2013 (UTC) :There are many sources of conjecture about the reasons for Presley's self-destruction, but no sources of conclusive fact. That's not to say that a balanced section couldn't be written based on multiple theories, but it's debatable whether it would be encyclopedic. [[User:Pstoller|Pstoller]] ([[User talk:Pstoller|talk]]) 21:38, 26 December 2013 (UTC) ::I recommend adding a section which provides insight into this issue to provide the reader more information regarding the [http://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/elvis-presley-biography35.htm reasons] for his decline. -[[User:Mistercontributer|Mistercontributer]] ([[User talk:Mistercontributer|talk]]) 00:30, 27 December 2013 (UTC) :::Note that your link is unsourced. The author, Susan Doll, has written numerous Elvis books, but she makes many statements about Presley's physical and mental state without a single supporting citation. A section like the one you suggest would open the door to all sorts of published accounts of Presley's excesses and eccentricities, and would likely end up being less sympathetic than Doll's article. Besides, there is already a section about the deterioration of Presley's health, and another about questions over the cause of his death. I don't see what ''factual information'' is missing from this article that would be filled in by a section about ''possible'' reasons for his substance abuse. [[User:Pstoller|Pstoller]] ([[User talk:Pstoller|talk]]) 03:19, 27 December 2013 (UTC) The main reason for Presley's substance abuse was addiction. He claimed he could quit any time, but in reality that is something every addict claims. The longer he took these drugs the more he required to get the hit he was seeking. Some argue that Presley was on a path of self destruction, but I have always disagreed with that opinion. Presley loved his life, loved his family, loved his fans and career. The substance abuse affected the way he portrayed himself on stage and privately, but I don't believe he was purposely aiming for self destruction. I think he was just another addict who thought he was indestructible and could handle what he was taking. ''"Death? It won't happen to me!"''. As Pstoller points out above, finding factual evidence would be almost impossible as the only person who really knows is no longer here to discuss it. [[User:ElvisFan1981|ElvisFan1981]] ([[User talk:ElvisFan1981|talk]]) 09:58, 27 December 2013 (UTC) :To summarize the statements above, Elvis abused drugs because he was addicted to drugs and his decline was due to his drug addiction, which pretty much summarizes the information found in the article regarding this subject, but this information provides little insight for the reader regarding why Elvis had the need for this medication. - [[User:Mistercontributer|Mistercontributer]] ([[User talk:Mistercontributer|talk]]) 03:07, 28 December 2013 (UTC) ::I'm not sure what you're seeking in terms of insight. Readers can bring their own insights into human nature to the facts as laid out on the article. Beyond that, I believe Wikipedia isn't the place to analyze Presley, nor to quote anyone who's done so without actually having him as a patient (as Susan Doll essentially does in the HowStuffWorks article). If you can point to facts, rather than guesswork and/or analysis, that are missing from this article, that could help to improve it. [[User:Pstoller|Pstoller]] ([[User talk:Pstoller|talk]]) 05:28, 28 December 2013 (UTC) :::My point is this article is incomplete since this article does not provide any [http://www.migraines.org/new/news9904.htm explanations] for his prescription drug use. - [[User:Mistercontributer|Mistercontributer]] ([[User talk:Mistercontributer|talk]]) 18:59, 28 December 2013 (UTC) ::::I think the article makes it quite clear that Presley was introduced to amphetamines in the army. I do agree, however, that it maybe doesn't make it clear enough about the addictions related to these drugs and how they developed over the years to encompass many other medications. Maybe I've skipped a part, but it appears the article does spend most of the 60s discussing music and films, quite rightly, though a little further details about Presley's ever increasing dependence on prescription medication may be necessary. Mainly because the article goes from amphetamines in the 50s then jumps right to serious drug abuse in the 70s. As a fan I obviously know all the inbetween, but casual readers wouldn't know. ::::Subjects like this have been discussed previously, though, and it has always been agreed that these types of subjects aren't really what the article should focus on. However, maybe a little bit of detail in the 60s sections about his growing dependence on drugs and their addictive qualities might be necessary.[[User:ElvisFan1981|ElvisFan1981]] ([[User talk:ElvisFan1981|talk]]) 21:01, 28 December 2013 (UTC) :::::The mere fact that something is not in the article does not necessarily render the article "incomplete." There have been volumes written about Presley, after all. Yes, Dr. Nichopoulos prescribed drugs to Presley for many ailments, including migraines. But Nichopoulos is a controversial figure for allegedly overprescribing drugs to Presley (ultimately losing his license for overprescribing to others), and his arguably self-serving diagnoses are likewise controversial. So, do those diagnoses belong in this article? Surely not as the sole source on Presley's health and death. :::::Perhaps an expanded section on Presley's medical history and autopsy is warranted; I wouldn't object to that ''per se''. However, it couldn't possibly be conclusive about the reasons for his drug use. For balance alone, such a section would have to cast serious doubt on the medical necessity of his drug regimen. All addicts have reasons for their substance use, and this article can't conclude that Presley's were better or more understandable than anyone else's. I could be mistaken, but I sense, Mistercontributer, that you're looking for a statement or suggestion that they were. I don't know that Presley has any need of redemption for his drug consumption; but, if so, then this isn't the place for it. [[User:Pstoller|Pstoller]] ([[User talk:Pstoller|talk]]) 22:50, 28 December 2013 (UTC) ::::::To clarify, I am not looking for a statement in this article which justifies his drug use. When I read this article the lack of background information regarding his drug problem seemed like a glaring omission. In my opinion, his drug problem needs to be explained better in this article, since his drug problem was the reason for his decline and contributed to his death. If this type of information can be found in reliable sources, then this information should be included in this article. [[User:Mistercontributer|Mistercontributer]] ([[User talk:Mistercontributer|talk]]) 02:29, 29 December 2013 (UTC) :::::::Well, I'm not the editor to write such a section, but as I said, I have no objection to the addition of one ''per se''. [[User:Pstoller|Pstoller]] ([[User talk:Pstoller|talk]]) 07:14, 29 December 2013 (UTC) == Request to edit 3/5/14 == I wish to add a small contribution about his attraction to minors and how he had sleepovers with them, touched them inappropriately, dated several teens along with Priscilla, even gave her amphetamines so she'd stay awake and have relations with other girls while he watched . Other users take down this information once posted, even with references, and I do not understand why. <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:XMitsuomiX|XMitsuomiX]] ([[User talk:XMitsuomiX|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/XMitsuomiX|contribs]]) 04:49, 6 March 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> :Read [[WP:BLP]] and [[WP:RS]]. Priscilla Presley is still alive, for a start, and accordingly we will not include such dubiously-sourced material concerning her. More generally, this article is based on credible sources, not tabloid titillation. You should also look up the word pedophile in a dictionary, since you clearly don't know what it means. [[User:AndyTheGrump|AndyTheGrump]] ([[User talk:AndyTheGrump|talk]]) 05:05, 6 March 2014 (UTC) ::Also, all of this has been hashed over in the past—the archives are stuffed with it. The prevailing editorial stance was that Finstad's book is of tabloid quality and thus unsuitable as a source; and that Elvis Presley's private sex life is not relevant to his career, nor even much to his public persona, and thus not to this article. I see no reason to take a different position now. [[User:Pstoller|Pstoller]] ([[User talk:Pstoller|talk]]) 06:56, 6 March 2014 (UTC) :::Agreed, it's really a bunch of tabloid mumbo jumbo with no real proof and has nothing to do with this article. [[User:BrothaTimothy|BrothaTimothy]]&nbsp;([[User talk:BrothaTimothy|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/BrothaTimothy|contribs]]) 01:05, 8 March 2014 (UTC) == Year Not Specified == In the 3rd-5th paragraphs of the Sam Philipps and Sun Records section the year is not specified.--[[User:Trouveur de faits|Trouveur de faits]] ([[User talk:Trouveur de faits|talk]]) 14:24, 9 March 2014 (UTC)'
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Please note that although Nichopoulos, Presley's main physician, was at the time ''"exonerated of criminal liability for the singer's death, ... His license was suspended for three months. It was permanently revoked in the 1990s after the Tennessee Medical Board brought new charges of over-prescription."'' Consensus among regular editors who judge it important to preserve a reliable, mainstream view in this encyclopedia article is that the discredited doctor's opinions, such as those published in his 2010 book, and including his attempt to emphasize constipation as the likely cause of death, should not be propagated by Wikipedia, and hence receive no coverage in this article.}} -{{Portal|Elvis Presley}} -{{find sources notice}} -== Did Elvis visit the UK (London)? == - -According to [http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-561170/Revealed----Elviss-secret-visit-London-little-help-rock-rival-Tommy-Steele.html] [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7361159.stm] [http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/news/20080422_elvis.shtml] Elvis did in fact visit the UK, London to be precise with his friend Tommy Steele. - -Should this not be mentioned? Has it been accepted as a fact or dismissed?--[[User:Windows66|Windows66]] ([[User talk:Windows66|talk]]) 18:15, 22 November 2013 (UTC) - -:Nobody has come forward with any proof, and members of Presley's entourage who were with him in Germany have categorically [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7376248.stm denied it]. Until a third party can corroborate the story, it should probably be dismissed as a bit of creative self-promotion on Steele's part. [[User:Pstoller|Pstoller]] ([[User talk:Pstoller|talk]]) 03:02, 26 November 2013 (UTC) - -== Elvis Aron Presley == - -{{edit semi-protected|<!-- Page to be edited -->|answered=yes}} -<!-- Begin request --> - -Please change ''"Elvis Aaron Presley"'' to ''"Elvis Aron Presley"'' evidence for this request can be seen by this YouTube video at the one minuet mark - -http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2sUZ16hpmU&list=PL4708288DABCA70F3 -As seen in this documentary of Elvis if you skip to one minuet into the video they explain that Elvis changed the spelling of his middle name to one ''"A"'' rather than 2 so that his name was closer to his twins name ''Garon'' who sadly past away. - -Thank you, Kind Regards ''Robert Holmes'' -<!-- End request --> -[[Special:Contributions/80.0.73.29|80.0.73.29]] ([[User talk:80.0.73.29|talk]]) 20:28, 22 November 2013 (UTC) - -:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:ESp --> please see Note a (linked from the boldface name that opens the article), where this is discussed at length and is well sourced. By the way, YouTube is not a reliable source, and especially not a sensationalist video like that one. --[[User:Stfg|Stfg]] ([[User talk:Stfg|talk]]) 21:12, 22 November 2013 (UTC) - - -{{edit semi-protected|<!-- Page to be edited -->|answered=yes}} -<!-- Begin request --> - -Please change a plain-text ''Elvis'' (early in the article) to a link to the article ''Elvis (name)'' -i.e. Elvis > [[Elvis (name)|Elvis]] - -Regards, [[Special:Contributions/203.6.146.5|203.6.146.5]] ([[User talk:203.6.146.5|talk]]) 03:50, 3 January 2014 (UTC) - -<!-- End request --> - -:[[File:Pictogram voting question.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Question:'''<!-- Template:ESp --> Why? All mentions of Elvis in this article are clearly talking about Elvis Presley. There's no need to link from here to information on the etymology of his first name or other people named Elvis. --'''[[User talk:ElHef|<font color="red">El</font><font color="orange">Hef</font>]]'''&nbsp;<small>([[Special:Contributions/ElHef|<font color="black">Meep?</font>]])</small> 01:13, 7 January 2014 (UTC) - -== Why? == - -This article does not address one major issue, which is the reason for his self destruction. I am sure there are sources out there that could provide an explanation regarding the reasons for his excessive prescription drug use. - [[User:Mistercontributer|Mistercontributer]] ([[User talk:Mistercontributer|talk]]) 17:48, 26 December 2013 (UTC) -:There are many sources of conjecture about the reasons for Presley's self-destruction, but no sources of conclusive fact. That's not to say that a balanced section couldn't be written based on multiple theories, but it's debatable whether it would be encyclopedic. [[User:Pstoller|Pstoller]] ([[User talk:Pstoller|talk]]) 21:38, 26 December 2013 (UTC) -::I recommend adding a section which provides insight into this issue to provide the reader more information regarding the [http://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/elvis-presley-biography35.htm reasons] for his decline. -[[User:Mistercontributer|Mistercontributer]] ([[User talk:Mistercontributer|talk]]) 00:30, 27 December 2013 (UTC) -:::Note that your link is unsourced. The author, Susan Doll, has written numerous Elvis books, but she makes many statements about Presley's physical and mental state without a single supporting citation. A section like the one you suggest would open the door to all sorts of published accounts of Presley's excesses and eccentricities, and would likely end up being less sympathetic than Doll's article. Besides, there is already a section about the deterioration of Presley's health, and another about questions over the cause of his death. I don't see what ''factual information'' is missing from this article that would be filled in by a section about ''possible'' reasons for his substance abuse. [[User:Pstoller|Pstoller]] ([[User talk:Pstoller|talk]]) 03:19, 27 December 2013 (UTC) - -The main reason for Presley's substance abuse was addiction. He claimed he could quit any time, but in reality that is something every addict claims. The longer he took these drugs the more he required to get the hit he was seeking. Some argue that Presley was on a path of self destruction, but I have always disagreed with that opinion. Presley loved his life, loved his family, loved his fans and career. The substance abuse affected the way he portrayed himself on stage and privately, but I don't believe he was purposely aiming for self destruction. I think he was just another addict who thought he was indestructible and could handle what he was taking. ''"Death? It won't happen to me!"''. As Pstoller points out above, finding factual evidence would be almost impossible as the only person who really knows is no longer here to discuss it. [[User:ElvisFan1981|ElvisFan1981]] ([[User talk:ElvisFan1981|talk]]) 09:58, 27 December 2013 (UTC) - -:To summarize the statements above, Elvis abused drugs because he was addicted to drugs and his decline was due to his drug addiction, which pretty much summarizes the information found in the article regarding this subject, but this information provides little insight for the reader regarding why Elvis had the need for this medication. - [[User:Mistercontributer|Mistercontributer]] ([[User talk:Mistercontributer|talk]]) 03:07, 28 December 2013 (UTC) -::I'm not sure what you're seeking in terms of insight. Readers can bring their own insights into human nature to the facts as laid out on the article. Beyond that, I believe Wikipedia isn't the place to analyze Presley, nor to quote anyone who's done so without actually having him as a patient (as Susan Doll essentially does in the HowStuffWorks article). If you can point to facts, rather than guesswork and/or analysis, that are missing from this article, that could help to improve it. [[User:Pstoller|Pstoller]] ([[User talk:Pstoller|talk]]) 05:28, 28 December 2013 (UTC) -:::My point is this article is incomplete since this article does not provide any [http://www.migraines.org/new/news9904.htm explanations] for his prescription drug use. - [[User:Mistercontributer|Mistercontributer]] ([[User talk:Mistercontributer|talk]]) 18:59, 28 December 2013 (UTC) - -::::I think the article makes it quite clear that Presley was introduced to amphetamines in the army. I do agree, however, that it maybe doesn't make it clear enough about the addictions related to these drugs and how they developed over the years to encompass many other medications. Maybe I've skipped a part, but it appears the article does spend most of the 60s discussing music and films, quite rightly, though a little further details about Presley's ever increasing dependence on prescription medication may be necessary. Mainly because the article goes from amphetamines in the 50s then jumps right to serious drug abuse in the 70s. As a fan I obviously know all the inbetween, but casual readers wouldn't know. - -::::Subjects like this have been discussed previously, though, and it has always been agreed that these types of subjects aren't really what the article should focus on. However, maybe a little bit of detail in the 60s sections about his growing dependence on drugs and their addictive qualities might be necessary.[[User:ElvisFan1981|ElvisFan1981]] ([[User talk:ElvisFan1981|talk]]) 21:01, 28 December 2013 (UTC) -:::::The mere fact that something is not in the article does not necessarily render the article "incomplete." There have been volumes written about Presley, after all. Yes, Dr. Nichopoulos prescribed drugs to Presley for many ailments, including migraines. But Nichopoulos is a controversial figure for allegedly overprescribing drugs to Presley (ultimately losing his license for overprescribing to others), and his arguably self-serving diagnoses are likewise controversial. So, do those diagnoses belong in this article? Surely not as the sole source on Presley's health and death. - -:::::Perhaps an expanded section on Presley's medical history and autopsy is warranted; I wouldn't object to that ''per se''. However, it couldn't possibly be conclusive about the reasons for his drug use. For balance alone, such a section would have to cast serious doubt on the medical necessity of his drug regimen. All addicts have reasons for their substance use, and this article can't conclude that Presley's were better or more understandable than anyone else's. I could be mistaken, but I sense, Mistercontributer, that you're looking for a statement or suggestion that they were. I don't know that Presley has any need of redemption for his drug consumption; but, if so, then this isn't the place for it. [[User:Pstoller|Pstoller]] ([[User talk:Pstoller|talk]]) 22:50, 28 December 2013 (UTC) - -::::::To clarify, I am not looking for a statement in this article which justifies his drug use. When I read this article the lack of background information regarding his drug problem seemed like a glaring omission. In my opinion, his drug problem needs to be explained better in this article, since his drug problem was the reason for his decline and contributed to his death. If this type of information can be found in reliable sources, then this information should be included in this article. [[User:Mistercontributer|Mistercontributer]] ([[User talk:Mistercontributer|talk]]) 02:29, 29 December 2013 (UTC) - -:::::::Well, I'm not the editor to write such a section, but as I said, I have no objection to the addition of one ''per se''. [[User:Pstoller|Pstoller]] ([[User talk:Pstoller|talk]]) 07:14, 29 December 2013 (UTC) - -== Request to edit 3/5/14 == - -I wish to add a small contribution about his attraction to minors and how he had sleepovers with them, touched them inappropriately, dated several teens along with Priscilla, even gave her amphetamines so she'd stay awake and have relations with other girls while he watched . Other users take down this information once posted, even with references, and I do not understand why. <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:XMitsuomiX|XMitsuomiX]] ([[User talk:XMitsuomiX|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/XMitsuomiX|contribs]]) 04:49, 6 March 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> - -:Read [[WP:BLP]] and [[WP:RS]]. Priscilla Presley is still alive, for a start, and accordingly we will not include such dubiously-sourced material concerning her. More generally, this article is based on credible sources, not tabloid titillation. You should also look up the word pedophile in a dictionary, since you clearly don't know what it means. [[User:AndyTheGrump|AndyTheGrump]] ([[User talk:AndyTheGrump|talk]]) 05:05, 6 March 2014 (UTC) - -::Also, all of this has been hashed over in the past—the archives are stuffed with it. The prevailing editorial stance was that Finstad's book is of tabloid quality and thus unsuitable as a source; and that Elvis Presley's private sex life is not relevant to his career, nor even much to his public persona, and thus not to this article. I see no reason to take a different position now. [[User:Pstoller|Pstoller]] ([[User talk:Pstoller|talk]]) 06:56, 6 March 2014 (UTC) - -:::Agreed, it's really a bunch of tabloid mumbo jumbo with no real proof and has nothing to do with this article. [[User:BrothaTimothy|BrothaTimothy]]&nbsp;([[User talk:BrothaTimothy|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/BrothaTimothy|contribs]]) 01:05, 8 March 2014 (UTC) - -== Year Not Specified == - -In the 3rd-5th paragraphs of the Sam Philipps and Sun Records section the year is not specified.--[[User:Trouveur de faits|Trouveur de faits]] ([[User talk:Trouveur de faits|talk]]) 14:24, 9 March 2014 (UTC) +STEVEN WAS HERE '
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Please note that although Nichopoulos, Presley's main physician, was at the time ''"exonerated of criminal liability for the singer's death, ... His license was suspended for three months. It was permanently revoked in the 1990s after the Tennessee Medical Board brought new charges of over-prescription."'' Consensus among regular editors who judge it important to preserve a reliable, mainstream view in this encyclopedia article is that the discredited doctor's opinions, such as those published in his 2010 book, and including his attempt to emphasize constipation as the likely cause of death, should not be propagated by Wikipedia, and hence receive no coverage in this article.}}', 59 => '{{Portal|Elvis Presley}}', 60 => '{{find sources notice}}', 61 => '== Did Elvis visit the UK (London)? ==', 62 => false, 63 => 'According to [http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-561170/Revealed----Elviss-secret-visit-London-little-help-rock-rival-Tommy-Steele.html] [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7361159.stm] [http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/news/20080422_elvis.shtml] Elvis did in fact visit the UK, London to be precise with his friend Tommy Steele. ', 64 => false, 65 => 'Should this not be mentioned? Has it been accepted as a fact or dismissed?--[[User:Windows66|Windows66]] ([[User talk:Windows66|talk]]) 18:15, 22 November 2013 (UTC)', 66 => false, 67 => ':Nobody has come forward with any proof, and members of Presley's entourage who were with him in Germany have categorically [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7376248.stm denied it]. Until a third party can corroborate the story, it should probably be dismissed as a bit of creative self-promotion on Steele's part. [[User:Pstoller|Pstoller]] ([[User talk:Pstoller|talk]]) 03:02, 26 November 2013 (UTC)', 68 => false, 69 => '== Elvis Aron Presley ==', 70 => false, 71 => '{{edit semi-protected|<!-- Page to be edited -->|answered=yes}}', 72 => '<!-- Begin request -->', 73 => false, 74 => 'Please change ''"Elvis Aaron Presley"'' to ''"Elvis Aron Presley"'' evidence for this request can be seen by this YouTube video at the one minuet mark', 75 => false, 76 => 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2sUZ16hpmU&list=PL4708288DABCA70F3', 77 => 'As seen in this documentary of Elvis if you skip to one minuet into the video they explain that Elvis changed the spelling of his middle name to one ''"A"'' rather than 2 so that his name was closer to his twins name ''Garon'' who sadly past away.', 78 => false, 79 => 'Thank you, Kind Regards ''Robert Holmes''', 80 => '<!-- End request -->', 81 => '[[Special:Contributions/80.0.73.29|80.0.73.29]] ([[User talk:80.0.73.29|talk]]) 20:28, 22 November 2013 (UTC)', 82 => false, 83 => ':[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:ESp --> please see Note a (linked from the boldface name that opens the article), where this is discussed at length and is well sourced. By the way, YouTube is not a reliable source, and especially not a sensationalist video like that one. --[[User:Stfg|Stfg]] ([[User talk:Stfg|talk]]) 21:12, 22 November 2013 (UTC)', 84 => false, 85 => false, 86 => '{{edit semi-protected|<!-- Page to be edited -->|answered=yes}}', 87 => '<!-- Begin request -->', 88 => false, 89 => 'Please change a plain-text ''Elvis'' (early in the article) to a link to the article ''Elvis (name)''', 90 => 'i.e. Elvis > [[Elvis (name)|Elvis]]', 91 => false, 92 => 'Regards, [[Special:Contributions/203.6.146.5|203.6.146.5]] ([[User talk:203.6.146.5|talk]]) 03:50, 3 January 2014 (UTC)', 93 => false, 94 => '<!-- End request -->', 95 => false, 96 => ':[[File:Pictogram voting question.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Question:'''<!-- Template:ESp --> Why? All mentions of Elvis in this article are clearly talking about Elvis Presley. There's no need to link from here to information on the etymology of his first name or other people named Elvis. --'''[[User talk:ElHef|<font color="red">El</font><font color="orange">Hef</font>]]'''&nbsp;<small>([[Special:Contributions/ElHef|<font color="black">Meep?</font>]])</small> 01:13, 7 January 2014 (UTC)', 97 => false, 98 => '== Why? ==', 99 => false, 100 => 'This article does not address one major issue, which is the reason for his self destruction. I am sure there are sources out there that could provide an explanation regarding the reasons for his excessive prescription drug use. - [[User:Mistercontributer|Mistercontributer]] ([[User talk:Mistercontributer|talk]]) 17:48, 26 December 2013 (UTC)', 101 => ':There are many sources of conjecture about the reasons for Presley's self-destruction, but no sources of conclusive fact. That's not to say that a balanced section couldn't be written based on multiple theories, but it's debatable whether it would be encyclopedic. [[User:Pstoller|Pstoller]] ([[User talk:Pstoller|talk]]) 21:38, 26 December 2013 (UTC)', 102 => '::I recommend adding a section which provides insight into this issue to provide the reader more information regarding the [http://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/elvis-presley-biography35.htm reasons] for his decline. -[[User:Mistercontributer|Mistercontributer]] ([[User talk:Mistercontributer|talk]]) 00:30, 27 December 2013 (UTC)', 103 => ':::Note that your link is unsourced. The author, Susan Doll, has written numerous Elvis books, but she makes many statements about Presley's physical and mental state without a single supporting citation. A section like the one you suggest would open the door to all sorts of published accounts of Presley's excesses and eccentricities, and would likely end up being less sympathetic than Doll's article. Besides, there is already a section about the deterioration of Presley's health, and another about questions over the cause of his death. I don't see what ''factual information'' is missing from this article that would be filled in by a section about ''possible'' reasons for his substance abuse. [[User:Pstoller|Pstoller]] ([[User talk:Pstoller|talk]]) 03:19, 27 December 2013 (UTC)', 104 => false, 105 => 'The main reason for Presley's substance abuse was addiction. He claimed he could quit any time, but in reality that is something every addict claims. The longer he took these drugs the more he required to get the hit he was seeking. Some argue that Presley was on a path of self destruction, but I have always disagreed with that opinion. Presley loved his life, loved his family, loved his fans and career. The substance abuse affected the way he portrayed himself on stage and privately, but I don't believe he was purposely aiming for self destruction. I think he was just another addict who thought he was indestructible and could handle what he was taking. ''"Death? It won't happen to me!"''. As Pstoller points out above, finding factual evidence would be almost impossible as the only person who really knows is no longer here to discuss it. [[User:ElvisFan1981|ElvisFan1981]] ([[User talk:ElvisFan1981|talk]]) 09:58, 27 December 2013 (UTC)', 106 => false, 107 => ':To summarize the statements above, Elvis abused drugs because he was addicted to drugs and his decline was due to his drug addiction, which pretty much summarizes the information found in the article regarding this subject, but this information provides little insight for the reader regarding why Elvis had the need for this medication. - [[User:Mistercontributer|Mistercontributer]] ([[User talk:Mistercontributer|talk]]) 03:07, 28 December 2013 (UTC)', 108 => '::I'm not sure what you're seeking in terms of insight. Readers can bring their own insights into human nature to the facts as laid out on the article. Beyond that, I believe Wikipedia isn't the place to analyze Presley, nor to quote anyone who's done so without actually having him as a patient (as Susan Doll essentially does in the HowStuffWorks article). If you can point to facts, rather than guesswork and/or analysis, that are missing from this article, that could help to improve it. [[User:Pstoller|Pstoller]] ([[User talk:Pstoller|talk]]) 05:28, 28 December 2013 (UTC)', 109 => ':::My point is this article is incomplete since this article does not provide any [http://www.migraines.org/new/news9904.htm explanations] for his prescription drug use. - [[User:Mistercontributer|Mistercontributer]] ([[User talk:Mistercontributer|talk]]) 18:59, 28 December 2013 (UTC)', 110 => false, 111 => '::::I think the article makes it quite clear that Presley was introduced to amphetamines in the army. I do agree, however, that it maybe doesn't make it clear enough about the addictions related to these drugs and how they developed over the years to encompass many other medications. Maybe I've skipped a part, but it appears the article does spend most of the 60s discussing music and films, quite rightly, though a little further details about Presley's ever increasing dependence on prescription medication may be necessary. Mainly because the article goes from amphetamines in the 50s then jumps right to serious drug abuse in the 70s. As a fan I obviously know all the inbetween, but casual readers wouldn't know. ', 112 => false, 113 => '::::Subjects like this have been discussed previously, though, and it has always been agreed that these types of subjects aren't really what the article should focus on. However, maybe a little bit of detail in the 60s sections about his growing dependence on drugs and their addictive qualities might be necessary.[[User:ElvisFan1981|ElvisFan1981]] ([[User talk:ElvisFan1981|talk]]) 21:01, 28 December 2013 (UTC)', 114 => ':::::The mere fact that something is not in the article does not necessarily render the article "incomplete." There have been volumes written about Presley, after all. Yes, Dr. Nichopoulos prescribed drugs to Presley for many ailments, including migraines. But Nichopoulos is a controversial figure for allegedly overprescribing drugs to Presley (ultimately losing his license for overprescribing to others), and his arguably self-serving diagnoses are likewise controversial. So, do those diagnoses belong in this article? Surely not as the sole source on Presley's health and death.', 115 => false, 116 => ':::::Perhaps an expanded section on Presley's medical history and autopsy is warranted; I wouldn't object to that ''per se''. However, it couldn't possibly be conclusive about the reasons for his drug use. For balance alone, such a section would have to cast serious doubt on the medical necessity of his drug regimen. All addicts have reasons for their substance use, and this article can't conclude that Presley's were better or more understandable than anyone else's. I could be mistaken, but I sense, Mistercontributer, that you're looking for a statement or suggestion that they were. I don't know that Presley has any need of redemption for his drug consumption; but, if so, then this isn't the place for it. [[User:Pstoller|Pstoller]] ([[User talk:Pstoller|talk]]) 22:50, 28 December 2013 (UTC)', 117 => false, 118 => '::::::To clarify, I am not looking for a statement in this article which justifies his drug use. When I read this article the lack of background information regarding his drug problem seemed like a glaring omission. In my opinion, his drug problem needs to be explained better in this article, since his drug problem was the reason for his decline and contributed to his death. If this type of information can be found in reliable sources, then this information should be included in this article. [[User:Mistercontributer|Mistercontributer]] ([[User talk:Mistercontributer|talk]]) 02:29, 29 December 2013 (UTC)', 119 => false, 120 => ':::::::Well, I'm not the editor to write such a section, but as I said, I have no objection to the addition of one ''per se''. [[User:Pstoller|Pstoller]] ([[User talk:Pstoller|talk]]) 07:14, 29 December 2013 (UTC)', 121 => false, 122 => '== Request to edit 3/5/14 ==', 123 => false, 124 => 'I wish to add a small contribution about his attraction to minors and how he had sleepovers with them, touched them inappropriately, dated several teens along with Priscilla, even gave her amphetamines so she'd stay awake and have relations with other girls while he watched . Other users take down this information once posted, even with references, and I do not understand why. <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:XMitsuomiX|XMitsuomiX]] ([[User talk:XMitsuomiX|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/XMitsuomiX|contribs]]) 04:49, 6 March 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->', 125 => false, 126 => ':Read [[WP:BLP]] and [[WP:RS]]. Priscilla Presley is still alive, for a start, and accordingly we will not include such dubiously-sourced material concerning her. More generally, this article is based on credible sources, not tabloid titillation. You should also look up the word pedophile in a dictionary, since you clearly don't know what it means. [[User:AndyTheGrump|AndyTheGrump]] ([[User talk:AndyTheGrump|talk]]) 05:05, 6 March 2014 (UTC)', 127 => false, 128 => '::Also, all of this has been hashed over in the past—the archives are stuffed with it. The prevailing editorial stance was that Finstad's book is of tabloid quality and thus unsuitable as a source; and that Elvis Presley's private sex life is not relevant to his career, nor even much to his public persona, and thus not to this article. I see no reason to take a different position now. [[User:Pstoller|Pstoller]] ([[User talk:Pstoller|talk]]) 06:56, 6 March 2014 (UTC)', 129 => false, 130 => ':::Agreed, it's really a bunch of tabloid mumbo jumbo with no real proof and has nothing to do with this article. [[User:BrothaTimothy|BrothaTimothy]]&nbsp;([[User talk:BrothaTimothy|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/BrothaTimothy|contribs]]) 01:05, 8 March 2014 (UTC)', 131 => false, 132 => '== Year Not Specified ==', 133 => false, 134 => 'In the 3rd-5th paragraphs of the Sam Philipps and Sun Records section the year is not specified.--[[User:Trouveur de faits|Trouveur de faits]] ([[User talk:Trouveur de faits|talk]]) 14:24, 9 March 2014 (UTC)' ]
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