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The written caption on this photograph of the Voisin brothers at the Library of Congress appears to indicate that the brother denoted as Gabriel in the Wikipedia photo caption is actually Charles. Can anybody clear this up?

  • Cleared up by LOC. It turns out that Bain Photo Service got the name reversed. The brother on the left is indeed Gabriel. LOC will eventually put a subject note on the photo's page.
So Bain made a mistake(?) But someone also wrote apparently on the original that Charles is on the left. And when I look at it, of these two gents in the picture (who should've been ~26 and ~24 at the time), I'd hazard a guess that the guy on the left is the younger, i.e. Charles. Possibly independently of this picture's provenance, at AirFrance, I see a very similar portrait of the other guy reversed titled Gabriel... So, which is the error, and where did it originally slip in? Yadsalohcin (talk) 09:08, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

First to fly and beating dead horses

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Is there any reason for the discussion and snide commentary of Messrs. Wright and Dumont's airplanes in this article? I came here to read about Gabriel Voisin, French aeronaut, and not the Wright Brothers, Alberto Santos-Dumont, the Wright Flyer, the Santos-Dumont 14-bis, or the First flying machine debate in general - all of which, conveniently enough, have their own pages. Commodore Pedantic (talk) 18:34, 3 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Done. I agree and I've tried to fix this. Unfortunately, not much content to cover 1909-1918. Still this situation is better than off-topic rants. --Kubanczyk (talk) 15:01, 9 May 2011 (UTC). Comment posted by Gerard Demaison : I completely agree with "Commodore Pedantic". There is an anonymous person without any knowledge of the French ( meaning : written in the French language ) published technical sources on early aviation who then constantly modifies and removes from the Gabriel Voisin page. It is shocking. That person has the clear purpose of pumping up fliers other than Gabriel Voisin and particularly pumping up the Wright brothers. Sad really that chauvinism can inject itself in Wikipedia. Besides designing and building the first successful European flying machines, Gabriel Voisin made a huge contribution to the war effort in 1914-18 with thousands of excellent and highly durable airplanes flown by all the allies. His luxury cars are still today among the most collectible automobiles in the world. Time to respect the memory of an exceptional man: Gabriel Voisin.[reply]
Are you familiar with WP:Verifiability policy? Aside from chauvinism, I would like to point out that ot is a responsibility of every editor to (a) know the sources (b) cite the sources (preferably using <ref> tags). The way Wikipedia works is that any content that seems dubious and is not backed up by explicit citation (<ref>) can and should be removed on the spot (i.e. you need citation to include information, but you do not need citation to remove information). This is in the best interest of encyclopedia, to avoid false data or WP:Original research.
Another thing that troubles me about this article is its constant growth off-topic. This article is about a person. It is a biography of a real human being. If the company made thousands of aircraft, great, but this mainly belongs to that company's article. If Dumont or Farman accomplished something, great, but again this mainly belongs to their articles. If there was a revolutionary aircraft, great, but let's describe it in its article. This article should really relate Gabriel Voisin to all these things. It fails to stay concentrated on Gabriel: what was Gabriel's relation to the company? How he felt about Farman, etc? What about his contribution to the revolutionary aircraft? In other words this article is all about background events, but not very much about Gabriel himself. --Kubanczyk (talk) 08:42, 17 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

From Gerard Demaison to Mr Kubanczyk. Thank you Mr Kubanczyk for your pertinent comments. Indeed, the personal and professional lifes of Gabriel Voisin have already been written up by himself, and in complete detail, appearing in two autobiographies called : "Mes 10,000 Cerfs-volants" ,285 pages,(1960) and "Mes mille et une voitures", 220 pages,(1965). I own both books, authored by Gabriel Voisin himself, and will be glad to mail you copies. The first Voisin authored book is all about his aeroplanes ( 1905-1918 ) and the second Voisin authored book is all about his automobiles (1919-1940) . Naturally, it is all in French which I am lucky to understand fluently having been born there too many years ago.( I now live in California, since 1970). Do you believe that it would be timely if either one of these two Voisin autobiographies should be translated into English and published ?.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.185.89.231 (talk) 18:08, 17 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Gerard, frankly speaking I've got no opinion in this matter. I've never considered autobiographies for anything else than pure artistic value. But that's just me, probably. --Kubanczyk (talk) 17:22, 18 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Answer from Gerard Demaison . Dear Mr Kubanczyk. With your statement (" I have never considered autobiographies for anything else than pure artistic value") you seem to disqualify not just Voisin's autobiography but ALL other autobiographies as well ....can you really dismiss the many hundreds of autobiographies by prestigious scientists, politicians , high level military and businessmen, published during the last century ??... ...surely you cannot really mean that....for instance that would dismiss Winston Churchill's memoirs......but thank you anyhow for your comments and dedication to wikipedia.... ..Gerard Demaison. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.185.89.231 (talk) 06:06, 19 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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