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    Viability of citing YouTube content by credible sources like the New York Times.

    I want to edit certain sections about events from that 6th of January using a New York Times documentary called 'Day of Rage: How Trump Supporters Took the U.S. Capitol' (which actually has its own Wikipedia page), which is available on YouTube, however I'm unsure if I should use it as a citation, because even though this was made by a reputable source, there is in my opinion a negative connotation in Wikipedia about using YouTube videos as sources.

    Here's the documentary that I'm referring to: [1] GabMen20 (talk) 21:13, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    The negative connotation comes from people trying to cite any random YouTube video, especially because many videos on YouTube are copyright violations that weren't posted on YouTube by the copyright owner.
    This video, however, is published by the NYT on their own YouTube channel, so it isn't a copyright violation, and you can cite it, preferably with time indexing so people can jump to the correct place in the video for verification. Just be sure that if you cite somemone stating an opinion, that it's correctly attributed as that person's opinion rather than stating it as fact in Wikipedia's voice. ~Anachronist (talk) 22:49, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks! However, I don't know how to add a specific moment in the video that pinpoints the moment that I would be writing about. Could you help me out with how to integrate it into the link that would be set up for said moment in the documentary? GabMen20 (talk) 18:29, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    First, you use the actual youtube.com URL, not a link shortener URL. That would be https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWJVMoe7OY0 in this case. Then you just add a time parameter. For example, if I wanted the playback to start at 12:32, I would add &12m32s (12 minutes 32 seconds) to that URL, as in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWJVMoe7OY0&12m32s - YouTube automatically translates this to the start time in seconds: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWJVMoe7OY0&t=752s - so either 12m32s or 752s would work. ~Anachronist (talk) 23:58, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks a lot! Will definetly use it in further edits. GabMen20 (talk) 21:48, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @GabMen20,youtube is not a reliable source,but reliable sources do post on it,i would say you can cite reliable news sources that have posted on youtube such as the new york times,but do not cite a random channel, UnsungHistory (Questions or Concerns?) (See how I messed up) 19:57, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Number of casualties

    according to new york times 5 people died,meanwhile this wikipedia article says 6 people died [2] UnsungHistory (Questions or Concerns?) (See how I messed up) 19:53, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    See the Notes section. Specifically footnotes A and B. --Super Goku V (talk) 07:03, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I see the notes section, where the description in footnote B says:
    5 deaths from the attack: (1 from gunshot, 1 from natural causes with one stated that "all that transpired played a role in his condition") Two people also died from natural causes and one from a drug overdose that day. 4 officer deaths by suicide within seven months of the attack
    Presumably, that 5 is listing the 1 gunshot, 3 natural causes, and 1 drug overdose. Ignoring the original research problems of claiming 3 natural causes and 1 drug overdose as "attributed to the attack", how does one get to the mysterious 6th death? The only combo that works out for 6 would be some odd counting where the gunshot victim, the drug overdose victim, and 4 suicides are counted, but the 3 natural causes on the day of/after are not counted. KiharaNoukan (talk) 22:33, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    "A police officer was beaten, a rioter was shot, and three others died during the rampage."-New York Times,that counts up to 5 UnsungHistory (Questions?) (Did I mess up?) 23:03, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Oh, we are talking about the lede. I would ping the user who edited the text from five to six, but they are a vanished user. I can ping TheXuitts who made this edit on October 2nd which changed the text from and three died of natural causes, including a police officer to and three died of natural causes, and a police officer died after being assaulted by rioters which seems to have added an additional person. @UnsungHistory: If you want to revert it to the exact text used in the version in September and go from there, then I am fine with that if there are no objections. --Super Goku V (talk) 00:52, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Super Goku V,the exact text used in the version in September says 6 deaths still UnsungHistory (Questions?) (Did I mess up?) 19:07, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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