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Proposal to merge

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A number of pages, notably Pembrey Burrows, Cefn Sidan and RAF Pembrey, appear to be candidates for merger with the main Pembrey page. Any view? Pete 00:57, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, Pete:

  • (1) this proposal aught to be copied to the talk pages of the other articles and not made here in isolation;
  • (2) what is the justification for merging an article about a village, and beach, a locality and an RAF Base - other than they share a name (Pembrey) - sorry to ask it quite so bluntly?
  • (3) I don't have any strong feelings about merging Pembrey Burrows and Cefn Sidan; but if there is a consensus to merge them into a larger article, why not put them into Pembrey Country Park, its probably a better fit than with Pembrey? If the name Pembrey is a Key why not created a [Category: Pembrey] and link them that way?
  • (4) I don't think RAF Pembrey aught to be merged in, as there is scope for expansion of that article and it is likely to be claimed by part of a WikiProject on military history-type subjects.Pyrotec 22:29, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

OK Pyro, I guess I'll have to put the work in on the other pages!!! My difficulty is that Pembrey is only rated as start-class. Yet, if relevant and clearly connected info from related pages was included, the page might be upgraded. We are, after all, dealing with just a few square miles here.Pete 22:28, 29 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Afterthought ... some of the info that should be included to improve the page:

•Trenel, Pinged, the Links, Furnace, more about the mountain

•Significant residents: the early ITN newsreader, more WWII aces, our snooker champion

•The Gooseberry Fair ... anyone got more on this historic event?

•More on the le Botelers and their US connections ... I understand they were also ancestors of Wild Bill Hickok.

There's so much more about Pembrey that might upgrade its rating! Pete 22:53, 29 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pete: Here (Laigh Milton Viaduct) is a B class article about a railway viaduct, which I suspect is smaller in area than Pembrey. I think that Pembrey as it stands has the makings of a B class article, but to be critical, at the moment it is almost unreferenced and it has no pictures. These should be sortable without the need to merge in other articles. Some of the RAF statements, could be verified, I suspect, by looking in Actions Stations, Volume 3, (I have 7 out of the 9 volumes, but I don't have no. 3); and I will add references for ROF Pembrey later. There must be some written refs for Wreckers, etc. I hope this gives some encouragement, its not intended as article knocking. Here is Wikipedia:WikiProject Wales/Assessment's assessment criteria for articles. Pyrotec 19:54, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Pyrotec: Wow, that's quite an article about a viaduct! Clearly, the article about Pembrey and its connected stubs require quite a lot of work - I don't have the time, unfortunately. However, in my opinion, we should at least have some demographic info as well as some of the points I mention above. Anyone got the info and the time? Pete (talk) 21:44, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Pembrey v. Pen-bre

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This is the English version of Wikipedia, not the Welsh version. Equally, Pembrey is the most widely-used name for the village and its beach, country park, airfield etc., etc. Any objections to a request to revert the name of this entry to Pembrey? Pete (talk) 00:35, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, it makes sense. At the same time, I have no problem with any Welsh-speaking websites choosing to call Pembrey whatever they like.

Andrew 30 Aug 2009

So please go ahead! HeartofaDog (talk) 16:11, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Requested move

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The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Page moved. Ucucha 18:05, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Pen-bre → Pembrey — WP:UE. 81.111.114.131 (talk) 20:46, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please explain why this page should be moved. —innotata (Talk • Contribs) 21:03, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Survey

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Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.
  • Support - Pembrey is the most common name in use in the predominantly English speaking area of South Wales, on Ordnance Survey and road maps and the one more likely to be searched for. There is no problem in the Welsh name being included in the lede (in brackets) as a Welsh translation. The version of the article in Welsh wiki could have that protocol reversed. 21st CENTURY GREENSTUFF 00:31, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
See Cardiff for a suitable example [1] 21st CENTURY GREENSTUFF 00:37, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support The original move from Pembrey to Pen-bre stated that the Welsh form is the "original and official name", but gave no evidence to justify this. All official sources in the English language refer to the village as Pembrey, including the Ordnance Survey, Office for National Statistics and Carmarthenshire County Council. The local community council is Pembrey and Burry Port Town Council (see Carmarthenshire County Council : Town and Community Clerks), and even the Welsh Wikipedia refers to "Pentref mawr yn Sir Gaerfyrddin yw Pen-bre (Saesneg: Pembrey).", translated as Pen-bre (English: Pembrey} is a large village in Carmarthenshire. I suspect the person who moved the article previously was either misinformed or up to a bit of mischief. Much as I may wish it otherwise, the correct English name appears to be Pembrey.
  • Against The first mention of Pen-bre was in 1141, when it was written down as by a non-Welsh speaker as 'pen-bray', 'pennbre' then followed twenty years later. 'Pembrey' appeared over 416 years later - in 1577. [1] I do believe that it is about time that ALL English place names should revert to the original Welsh names as has happened with Conwy and Caernarfon. Times have changed since 1577, and education means that most non-Welsh people are educated enough to be able to spell the original, local, native spelling. Thankfully, The Gold Coast reverted to the Republic of Ghana in 1957, many others such as Zambia followed suit. Remnants of British (or should I say English) colonialism. Llywelyn2000 (talk) 20:27, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Skinsmoke (talk) 06:43, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have notified the person who made the original move of this discussion. Skinsmoke (talk) 06:57, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

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Any additional comments:
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

References

  1. ^ 'Dictionary of the Placenames of Wales', Gwasg Gomer Press, 2007.
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