Talk:Scott Medal

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Four provinces?

While sources say the medal shows the arms of the four provinces, the only pictures I found online suggest otherwise:

Peter O'Reilly's 1926 medal from this irishmedals.ie page clearly shows the arms of Galway City and of Dublin City instead of those of Connacht and of Leinster. Munster is fine; Ulster is shown only by the Red Hand, without the Greek cross underneath.
From policehistory.com there are several thumbnails;
- this example (probably before Peter O'Reilly's medal, since lacking the New York City arms in the centre) seems to have the same Galway and Dublin arms
- this example is harder to make out but the left panel at least still looks more like a Galway ship than a Connacht dimidiation.

jnestorius^(talk) 23:58, 9 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The source would appear to be Francis Joseph Bigger, whose 1912 article "The Arms and Flags of Ireland" rejects the received arms of both Connacht (in his [erroneous] view an ugly British imposition unknown in Connacht) and Leinster (because those conflict with the arms of Ireland — which he gives a green field, rejecting Saint Patrick's Blue as a "fake colour"). Thus Bigger co-opts the Galway and Dublin municipal arms, which he interprets as Gaelic.^[1]

Besides the Scott Medal, I have seen a few other scattered instances of Bigger's variant provincial arms:

Rug in the Royal Dublin Society Council Chamber, designed by Lucius O'Callaghan and made in 1928 by the Dun Emer Guild.^[2]
1964 carpet commissioned from Donegal Carpets by New Ireland Assurance^[3]
"The Arms of Ireland and Her Four Provinces", embroidery in Orange Hall Lodge, North Toronto (with gold-harp-on-green for Ireland in the centre).^[4]

jnestorius^(talk) 21:17, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

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Bigger, Francis Joseph (1912). "The Arms and Flags of Ireland". Saothar na hÉireann. London: London Gaelic League.
- slightly abbreviated version in:— Bigger, Francis Joseph (16 April 1914). "The Arms and Flags of Ireland". New Zealand Tablet: 26 – via PapersPast.;
- original reprinted in:— Bigger, Francis Joseph (1927). Articles and Sketches: Biographical, Historical, Topographical. Dublin: Talbot Press. pp. 63–67.
^ "The Making of Beautiful Things". Minerva. Royal Dublin Society: 3. Winter 2020. Retrieved 17 December 2020 – via Issuu. Why the Dublin and Galway county arms supplanted the provincial emblems of Leinster and Connacht is a mystery at present.
^ Parsons, Michael (11 July 2015). "€25,000 Donegal carpet for auction". The Irish Times. Retrieved 14 June 2020.; "A SPECIALLY COMMISSIONED DONEGAL CARPET AT MEALY'S « antiquesandartireland.com". antiquesandartireland. Retrieved 14 June 2020.
^ Robinson, Arianne (18 October 2016). "Heritage listing Orange Hall Lodge; ireland-four-provinces". Signal Toronto. fig.9 of 22. Retrieved 22 June 2020.

[1] Bigger, Francis Joseph (1912). "The Arms and Flags of Ireland". Saothar na hÉireann. London: London Gaelic League.
slightly abbreviated version in:— Bigger, Francis Joseph (16 April 1914). "The Arms and Flags of Ireland". New Zealand Tablet: 26 – via PapersPast.;

original reprinted in:— Bigger, Francis Joseph (1927). Articles and Sketches: Biographical, Historical, Topographical. Dublin: Talbot Press. pp. 63–67.

[2] slightly abbreviated version in:— Bigger, Francis Joseph (16 April 1914). "The Arms and Flags of Ireland". New Zealand Tablet: 26 – via PapersPast.;

[3] riginal reprinted in:— Bigger, Francis Joseph (1927). Articles and Sketches: Biographical, Historical, Topographical. Dublin: Talbot Press. pp. 63–67.

[2] "The Making of Beautiful Things". Minerva. Royal Dublin Society: 3. Winter 2020. Retrieved 17 December 2020 – via Issuu. Why the Dublin and Galway county arms supplanted the provincial emblems of Leinster and Connacht is a mystery at present.

[3] Parsons, Michael (11 July 2015). "€25,000 Donegal carpet for auction". The Irish Times. Retrieved 14 June 2020.; "A SPECIALLY COMMISSIONED DONEGAL CARPET AT MEALY'S « antiquesandartireland.com". antiquesandartireland. Retrieved 14 June 2020.

[4] Robinson, Arianne (18 October 2016). "Heritage listing Orange Hall Lodge; ireland-four-provinces". Signal Toronto. fig.9 of 22. Retrieved 22 June 2020.

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