Talk:The Falcon and the D'ohman

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Episode Title

Should the article make reference to the episode title containing 'D'oh' as opposed to 'Annoyed Grunt'? I'm not sure if this has happened before, and, as such, may represent a significant departure from previous episode-naming conventions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.64.142.166 (talk) 16:44, 26 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

They seem to have switched to using "D'oh" instead of "(Annoyed Grunt)" in the episode titles during the later seasons (e.g. "Waverly Hills 9-0-2-1-D'oh" in season 20 and "He Loves to Fly and He D'ohs" in season 19). --Maitch (talk) 16:50, 26 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The famous song in this episode

I dont usually edit pages because I dont know the rules and formats. But there is a famous song in this episode, "dance of the knights" by Prokofiev, it would be useful to put that somewhere in the article.

I found another simpsons wiki page called Saturdays of Thunder page in which a song that was in the episode is described in the Cultural references section. The second sentence in the first paragraph goes "The song used at the end of the episode is "Wind Beneath My Wings", a song by Bette Midler that is used in Days of Thunder."

So if you wanted to add this information to the page you would add the following in the CULTURAL REFERENCES section:

The song used during one of wayne's flashbacks in the episode is "Dance of the Knights" by Sergei Prokofiev

Copy and Paste the following to get the above:

The song used during one of wayne's flashbacks in the episode is "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montagues_and_Capulets Dance of the Knights]" by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Prokofiev Sergei Prokofiev]Peoplez1k (talk) 01:04, 26 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the information. We will try and find a reference for it and include it if possible.--Maitch (talk) 16:52, 26 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

Yet another review [1]. I'm getting to tired to edit, so people can use it as they please. --Maitch (talk) 20:22, 26 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

More sources:

Review EW
Video interview with Al Jean more on Nedna. --Maitch (talk) 12:28, 27 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Review: http://www.aoltv.com/2011/09/26/kiefer-sutherland-security-guard-secret-past-simpsons-video/. Theleftorium ^(talk) 15:06, 27 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ukrainian gangster

We should somehow incorporate the Ukrainian gangster's resemblance (in the show, named Viktor) to the current Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych (who in all respects is a real-life gangster). There is an English news article about it here. There is also a link here (Ukrainian language) to a popular Ukrainian news media outlet that can also be used to source the real-life president's Simpson's caricature. —ddima (talk) 06:01, 29 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Just did so :). — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 14:14, 30 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

To do this I created a Cultural references-section I saw in other Simpson episodes articles. Now I am not sure about this since the Production-section also mentioned cultural references... Feel free to copy and paste everyone! — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 14:18, 30 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:The Falcon and the D'ohman/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Glimmer721 (talk · contribs) 01:32, 11 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I will review shortly. Glimmer721 ^talk 01:32, 11 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

Good, but some work needs to be done.

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

Wikilink Homer in lead.
- Y Done. Theleftorium ^(talk) 16:57, 11 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Italicize A History of Violence in lead.
- Y Moved to production section. Not sure who added it to the lead... Theleftorium ^(talk) 16:57, 11 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"The episode also features a guest appearances by chef Tom Colicchio as himself in a segment in which Marge dreams about being a contestant in a Top Chef type of show." Is Colicchio a judge on Top Chef, then, as he's playing himself? If he is, mention this in the lead and production sections.
- Y Done. Theleftorium ^(talk) 16:57, 11 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Did Wayne lose his home? It says he was fired and then Homer allows him to stay in Bart's treehouse.
Perhaps paraphrase this: As noted by Rick Porter of the website Zap2it, Sutherland's appearance in "The Falcon and the D'ohman" makes him "one of the relatively few Simpsons guest stars who've appeared more than once and voiced different characters rather than recurring residents of Springfield. Albert Brooks and Jon Lovitz are in the same category, though they've also had recurring parts. So did former semi-regular Phil Hartman, who's most associated with Troy McClure and Lionel Hutz but also played a number of other one-off characters." Instead of using the whole quotation, I would suggest just using the first part and summarizing the list of other actors who are in the same category.
- Y Done. Theleftorium ^(talk) 17:29, 11 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"The Simpsons became the second highest-rated program in the 18–49 demographic in Fox's Animation Domination lineup that night, finishing before The Cleveland Show and American Dad! but after Family Guy." Wait, so shouldn't it be second if it finished before The Cleveland Show and American Dad! and after Family Guy on the list?
- Yes, that's what the article already says ("The Simpsons became the second highest-rated program")? Theleftorium ^(talk) 16:57, 11 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - Typo there, sorry, I meant that it should not be second if it is on the list before two shows and after one. What the sentence says to me The Cleveland Show and American Dad! are before The Simpsons on the list (so higher up) and Family Guy is after it (in fourth place). Actually as I'm looking at the source, it seems the fact that Simpsons placed second is based on the 18-49 rating, not the total viewers, in which case it was in first place. Also, this lists the final ratings (8.08), while this just has the overnights. And in both of them Simpsons is first in terms of total viewers. Glimmer721 ^talk 23:10, 11 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    - Y Fixed! Theleftorium ^(talk) 09:56, 12 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

Some references are not properly cited. Use {{cite web}}. These would be ref #1 (needs author, accessdate, work, and is that really the title?), 3 (missing date), 10 and 11 (not proper templates or all fields; include language in 11), 12 (date and accessdate), 16 ("Television Blend" should not be italicized), 18 (needs the template too)
- Y Done. Theleftorium ^(talk) 17:29, 11 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Ref #19 is dead.
- Y Fixed. Theleftorium ^(talk) 17:29, 11 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):

In the "background" section you do not say what the public voted in the Ned/Edna poll. I think for it to be complete it should be noted.
- It already does say that? "and encouraging them to go on the website and vote over the summer of 2011 on whether Ned and Edna should stay together." Theleftorium ^(talk) 17:29, 11 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - Sorry, that's not what I meant; I meant whether the results of the poll said they should or shouldn't stay together. Glimmer721 ^talk 23:10, 11 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    - Y Done! Theleftorium ^(talk) 09:56, 12 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Why isn't the History of Violence similarity noted in the production section? Maybe it would fit after the Ukranian reports of the Viktor similarity.
- Y Fixed. Theleftorium ^(talk) 17:29, 11 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall:
Pass/Fail:
It will pass if the issues are addressed, mainly concerning the references. Glimmer721 ^talk 03:05, 11 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for stepping in Theleftorium, I wil pass this now. All issues have been fixed. Glimmer721 ^talk 17:35, 12 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Game style animation

The article talks a lot about the "Taiwanese" animated reenactment and its real-life counterpart, but doesn't the animation segment shown in the episode also reference a Simpsons video game, both in style and content (Homer scores points when driving into stuff)? If so, then which game? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.255.156.168 (talk) 22:29, 28 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]