Template talk:World pool champions

Piss poor template

Seriously, please read WP:CLT. This is the sort of thing that should be a category and/or a list. Not a navbox. oknazevad (talk) 21:34, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Well, let us actually read CLT, in detail:

Wikipedia offers several ways to group articles: categories, list articles (...), and navigation templates (...). The grouping of articles by one method neither requires nor forbids the use of the other methods for the same informational grouping. Instead, each method of organizing information has its own advantages and disadvantages, and is applied for the most part independently of the other methods following the guidelines and standards that have evolved on Wikipedia for each of these systems.

Accordingly, these methods should not be considered in conflict with each other. Rather, they are synergistic, each one complementing the others.

[...]

Good navboxes generally follow most or all of these guidelines:

1. All articles within a template relate to a single, coherent subject.
2. The subject of the template should be mentioned in every article.
3. The articles should refer to each other, to a reasonable extent.
4. There should be a Wikipedia article on the subject of the template.
5. If not for the navigation template, an editor would be inclined to link many of these articles in the See also sections of the articles.

If the collection of articles does not meet these criteria, the articles are likely loosely related. A list, category, or neither, may accordingly be more appropriate.

Repeat: these methods should not be considered in conflict with each other. But let's go down the list:

1. Check. World pool champions is a coherent subject. While it could be re-split by discipline, this would result in a profusion of navboxes on a per-article basis instead of one collapsed navbox, since few players stick to a single game.
2. Check. There is no bio on a world champion that is not going to mention world championship and that they are/were such a world champion.
3. Check. Other notable pro players, including other world champions, are near-constantly mentioned in well-developed pool bios, as competitors.
4. Check. The material has been split into multiple articles for length, thus List of world eight-ball champions, etc., though a Lists of pool world champions should exist as a set-index/disambiguation/master list (with redirects from Lists of world pool champions, List of pool world champions, List of world pool champions, and variants with over-capitalization.
5. Fail. Someone might want to do this within a specific discipline or sanctioning body, but it's unlikely anyone would try see-also everybody in the navbox.

So, this appears to qualify under Good navboxes generally follow most ... of these guidelines. I'm not sure what issue you're trying to raise with it, since your comment is just dismissive in a WP:IDONTLIKEIT manner, and too vague to be very meaningful.

This navbox is very typical of a sports navbox, and milder than many. It precludes us having to have a whole bunch of them at the bottom of most major player bios. See for example {{World Golf Championships winners}} (expand it all for the full experience). Then steel yourself and go see the bottom of Tiger Woods, where this is just one of 9 navboxes. But – surprise! – one of them is actually a wrapper for 10 more of them, another is a wrapper for 9, another for 8 more, and yet another wraps an additional 5.

Our {{World pool champions}} is a model of simplicity and functionality compared to what's going on in the world-champion golf articles.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  23:58, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Concision proposal

Given that we need to add a couple more disciplines (at least both British-style eightball and Chinese eight-ball), it would be good to make this more concise.

The main problem is that we're doing this by year and repeating names many times, when it would be considerably more compact to do the champions by alphabetical order of family name, once each, followed by years. This is a navbox that indexes champions, not tournament chronology; if people want the latter, they can go to the event articles, which are also linked in the navbox already.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  02:49, 14 December 2023 (UTC)