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Hi there, could you please revert your edit which removed my comment here? My comment can't be removed from an article talk page like that, but I can accept it may not have been your intention. On the issue of closing the discussion, I am willing to work in good faith with you on that, but essentially the discussion has not actually been closed yet, for a few different reasons, and Wikipedia:Move review is not applicable here. Thank you. Onetwothreeip (talk) 19:50, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi. Since - correctly or not - the discussion has been closed, and says "The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it" - I am not sure I should restore your comment made after the closure, unless there is consensus to reopen the discussion or start it anew. Even in the absence of that, I would be happy to restore your comment to a new section if you wish, or you could do so.
Move review does seem to apply - despite the name, it's not only for moves which have been done, but also for cases where the discussion was closed as "no move" but this is disputed, eg. the first in this archive.
I strongly advise that you follow the procedure, take this there, and see what comes of it. CharredShorthand (talk) 20:12, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
It can't be closed by someone who is a participant of the editing dispute, unless there is overwhelming agreement for that close, which clearly there was not. Just because someone places a note saying the discussion is closed, does not mean it has been closed, especially if an editor (such as myself) reverts the attempted action. Otherwise, nothing would stop me or anyone else from closing it myself with a completely different view. There was no proposal to move the article, so I don't see on what basis move review would apply here. How about we simply revert to the status quo, include everybody's comments, and seek a procedure-based close instead? Onetwothreeip (talk) 00:02, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
The closer hadn't previously participated, though they had been pinged by EEng. Is that kosher? Dunno.
The point is, there is a procedure to challenge a close. If you unilaterally undo it, someone will probably take you to a noticeboard. If I agree with you, "revert to the status quo", and we both undo it, someone will take us both to a noticeboard - at least, WP:CLOSECHALLENGE makes no mention of that as a valid action, so I am assuming it is not the way it is done.
It's fair to say that a split proposal ≠ a move proposal. So instead, maybe you could follow Wikipedia:Closing_discussions#Challenging_other_closures. A very rough summary is that you are supposed to first discuss it with the closing editor, then open a thread at WP:AN if you can't come to an agreement. CharredShorthand (talk) 11:34, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
They participated by reverting the initial split that resulted from the first stages of the discussion, in addition to being specifically canvassed by EEng. I don't think anybody would take us to a noticeboard if we both agree to revert to the status quo and include all comments. This can't be considered a close, not only because the attempt was by a clearly involved party, but because no result was actually found either, and also that it is highly unusual that this kind of discussion would even be closed at all. Separate to that, it would be good if you would revert your removal of my last comment on the talk page, but a new section would not be necessary for that, it can go in the same section. Onetwothreeip (talk) 19:36, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
Noted regarding involvement. Even so, I believe that using the procedure for challenging the close is a better idea than undoing it unilaterally. At this point, I will not re-revert further if you wish to revert the close or restore your latest revision - though I do not predict that to end in anything but an edit war (with someone else).
I have just restored your comment - in the same section, but after the closed discussion, with a note regarding its original position, because I do not myself wish to edit the closed discussion. CharredShorthand (talk) 19:57, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
I think the note you have added, given the complicated end to the discussion, is very reasonable. Thank you. Onetwothreeip (talk) 02:42, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

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A cup of tea, since you helped move me tea up. TY! :) Moops T 17:48, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

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Thanks for letting me know about the reversion on the Multimedia University page, that was a mistake. ButterCashier (talk) 14:21, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

Their username didn't bother me. In fact I found it rather interesting. It was their arch rivalry against ClueBot which lead to their block. Regarding the template, was it weird? If so I must be careful about what templates I use and where. ❯❯❯ Raydann(Talk) 18:35, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

The template raised the username as a concern, so I found it odd for that reason. Quoting,

Welcome to Wikipedia. I noticed that your username, "Irlvnt", may not meet Wikipedia's username policy because it appears to be an abbreviation of "irrelevant" which may imply that you aren't here to help build the encyclopedia.

Of course their behaviour got them their well deserved block. CharredShorthand.talk; 18:37, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
I see. But the quoted text was from ClueBot, was it not? I used that template after the user's reply to my concern of WP:AGF and WP:CIVIL. Btw, I wonder how did you land on their user page? Is there a edit filter log which keeps record of problematic edits? If yes, I might be interested in patrolling that as well. Cheers! ❯❯❯ Raydann(Talk) 18:43, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
The log is at Special:AbuseLog. CharredShorthand.talk; 18:45, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
Thank you ❯❯❯ Raydann(Talk) 18:48, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

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archiving of too-early close

Hey, CS. You archived this; it's still actually being discussed at the closer's talk page, as the close was done way too early (RMs are open for 7 days) and the closer effectively made a supervote. Maybe revert so the closer can be encouraged to unclose? Valereee (talk) 14:25, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

@Valereee: Unarchived. Thanks for informing me about this. CharredShorthand.talk; 14:38, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
Thank you! No worries, there's a lot of policy. :D Valereee (talk) 14:39, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello. Just to let you know, the page "Yo mama" joke has been nominated to be moved. Feel free to participate at the talk page.

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Contesting Move: Talk:Killing of Tyre Nichols/Archive 2

The overwhelming majority of the "support" for the movie, can be best described as "the videos prove it" or "if you just watch the videos". As so much of the "support" is based on opinions/analysis of the video's, it is fair to say that Wikipedia:Consensus-building was achieved. The talk it appears as though the the quality of the arguments, the history of how they came about, the objections of those who disagree, and existing policies and guidelines. WP:TALKDONTREVERT The quality of the discuss shows that "oppose" is the consensus. Overall, the claim of the attorney about the autopsy is not verifiable, as it is not published, it is an extraordinary claim, and it is a claim that serves the interests of the attorneys representing Nichols family. As for news organizations claiming it was homicide/killing, it is an extraordinary claim, and it amounts to a medical claim; news organization are not a reliable source for medical facts. The manner of death is not verifiable in secondary sources, to my knowledge no secondary source was provided that indicates they reviewed the commissioned autopsy. The manner of death is not verifiable from primary sources, as that would require original research from an editor. Otherwise reliable secondary sources, mainly news organization, would not be reliable for making what amounts to a medical claim. Apart from the consensus for oppose, there was also a consensus to leave it "Death of ..." until an official autopsy was released. Thank you. I misread the closed statement and discussed this issue on the articles talk page. AgntOtrth (talk) 22:28, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

I imagine you do not intend to address this to me given that I was not the one who closed the discussion and declared the consensus (either time). I also think it is extremely ridiculous to suggest there is real doubt, either in reliable secondary sources or in reality, that Tyre Nichols was killed by the police officers. CharredShorthand.talk; 04:47, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

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Hello dear sir , I sincerely request you assistance regarding an article.

please review this article Draft:United states of khorasan .

Thank you allots for your assistance

Parwiz ahmadi (talk) 18:09, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

My impression is that it may not meet the notability requirement. I can't review the AFC; I'm not an AFC reviewer. You might want to request assistance or clarification from the person who declined the draft. CharredShorthand.talk; 18:21, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

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