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May 2017
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Do you have any sources to prove your claims that the results provided by the BBC are "fraudulent"? Mélencron (talk) 16:00, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- no, but I saw an article which said that results weren't in until six o clock.Pablothepenguin (talk) 16:01, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- Perhaps that refers to the time at which all councils are in as opposed to each individual council? In any case, the results for the two councils you reverted have already published their results. Mélencron (talk) 16:02, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- No, it definitely refers to specific councils
- Could you provide a link to the article? The results for every council are now in, they've been gradually rolling in all day. Mélencron (talk) 16:06, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- I hereby officially apologise for actions today, I'll look at anti-vandalism services now. Pablothepenguin (talk) 17:35, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- Could you provide a link to the article? The results for every council are now in, they've been gradually rolling in all day. Mélencron (talk) 16:06, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- No, it definitely refers to specific councils
- Perhaps that refers to the time at which all councils are in as opposed to each individual council? In any case, the results for the two councils you reverted have already published their results. Mélencron (talk) 16:02, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
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Notice of noticeboard discussion
There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The discussion is about the topic Violation of topic ban. Thank you.--Atlan (talk) 09:41, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
- As this edit is basically the same as this one, with not just arguing over Scottish politics but throwing mild personal attacks into edit summaries, you are re-blocked indefinitely. However, I see you have tried to contact a number of editors for adoption / mentoring, and if an experienced mentor confirms they are willing to adopt, I may be able to consider an unblock on those conditions. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:36, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
- @Ritchie333, I was actually trying to adopt less experienced users, not the other way round. Please allow me to continue doing this, I thought my topic ban had expired, I forgot that it was indefinite. Should I post an unblock request soon, and when is the best time to do this. Please also note, that I am also trying to get an instructor at the Counter Vandalism Unit Academy. I need to do this to give my existence on Wikipedia real meaning. Thank you. Pablothepenguin (talk) 12:33, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
- You adopting other users is a terrible idea. You "forgetting" about your topic has been your excuse the last few times as well. Even believing that, your behavior in the topic ban area is still just as poor as before.--Atlan (talk) 12:40, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
- @Ritchie333, I was actually trying to adopt less experienced users, not the other way round. Please allow me to continue doing this, I thought my topic ban had expired, I forgot that it was indefinite. Should I post an unblock request soon, and when is the best time to do this. Please also note, that I am also trying to get an instructor at the Counter Vandalism Unit Academy. I need to do this to give my existence on Wikipedia real meaning. Thank you. Pablothepenguin (talk) 12:33, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
You should not be mentoring anybody - rather you need to get an experienced editor to mentor you. You can file an unblock request at any time by adding {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}} to your talk page (and replacing the text "Your reason here..." with the actual request) and an uninvolved administrator will look at it. Please read the guide to appealing blocks first; in particular you have now been blocked for the same problems twice by two completely independent admins, and that issue will need to be addressed. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:53, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
- He already had a mentor (User:Samtar). It didn't work out.--Atlan (talk) 13:04, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
- I will have a think, and post an unblock Request later today. Also, I believe that the issue with Samtar is that he was rather busy and forgot about me. I would imagine that getting another mentor after being unblocked will really help me out. Pablothepenguin (talk) 13:08, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
- I have worked with Samtar on a number of RfAs so I am aware he's taken an extended wikibreak. You can see a list of available adopters here. Looking down the list, I would personally recommend MrX, Titodutta and CaroleHenson as editors I trust to be experienced enough in the full gamut of Wikipedia policies. If any of these agree adoption, I can entertain an unblock, but I'm not going to demand any of them do so and if none of them want to do it, then deal's off, sorry. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:19, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
- @Ritchie333, please can you notify those three people, I can't do it while I'm blocked?Pablothepenguin (talk) 14:48, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
- They have already been notified by the pings I put in my previous comment. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:12, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
- @Ritchie333: Pablo came to my talk page a couple weeks ago and asked me to mentor him in anti-vandalism training. I declined then as I was too busy, but I do think that a good mentor could really help him, and if a mentor is found, he could be unblocked. ThePlatypusofDoom (talk) 14:03, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
- @Ritchie333: I refer to the below unblock request. Pablothepenguin (talk) 21:58, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
- @Ritchie333: Pablo came to my talk page a couple weeks ago and asked me to mentor him in anti-vandalism training. I declined then as I was too busy, but I do think that a good mentor could really help him, and if a mentor is found, he could be unblocked. ThePlatypusofDoom (talk) 14:03, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
- They have already been notified by the pings I put in my previous comment. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:12, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
- @Ritchie333, please can you notify those three people, I can't do it while I'm blocked?Pablothepenguin (talk) 14:48, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
- I have worked with Samtar on a number of RfAs so I am aware he's taken an extended wikibreak. You can see a list of available adopters here. Looking down the list, I would personally recommend MrX, Titodutta and CaroleHenson as editors I trust to be experienced enough in the full gamut of Wikipedia policies. If any of these agree adoption, I can entertain an unblock, but I'm not going to demand any of them do so and if none of them want to do it, then deal's off, sorry. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:19, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
Unblock Request
Pablothepenguin (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
I wish to find a mentor through the adoption programme. I feel this would be a good way to develop my skills on wiki, and deal with vandalism as it occurs. I wish to note that this is also an important step to help me gain a better position at Wikipedia. I am ideally looking for rollback rights at the end of this process to show that I am indeed capable of dealing with anti-vandalism tasks. While it is not my primary objective here, if I spend the next several thousand edits doing constructive anti-vandalism related things, I may wish to apply for adminship someday. This may be many years away, but at least it will always remain a possibility. I must start this new chapter in Wikipedia life by gaining access to a mentor. I can only do this with an unblock thank you very much. Pablothepenguin (talk) 21:25, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
Ps, I am indeed aware of what I did wrong this time. I am imposing very strict requirements on myself not to even read articles which may provoke bad editing practices. Thusly, I may end up with a slightly narrower list of topics than ideal. Please accept my apologies for previous behaviour, it will not reoccur. Thank you. Pablothepenguin (talk) 21:27, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
Decline reason:
Based simply on the requests below alone, where you are pinging Ritchie333 and accusing him of "ignoring you", I'm declining this request. It appears you still haven't learned from your actions, as you haven't given an editor an HOUR before you say that they are "aggravating" you. This does not bode well for any mentoring that will take place in my opinion. RickinBaltimore (talk) 13:54, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
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| Aplogies for this pinging, it wasn't big and it wasn't clever. I do not wish to have it here anymore |
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@Ritchie333:Please respond to my unblock request. I know your active at the moment. Pablothepenguin (talk) 11:30, 16 May 2017 (UTC) @Ritchie333:Please stop ignoring me and respond to the unblock request. Don't aggravate me please. Pablothepenguin (talk) 12:26, 16 May 2017 (UTC) |
Unblock request 2
Pablothepenguin (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
I really would benefit from mentoring. I'm pretty sure the blocking administrator agrees with this. I'm sorry for pinging him too much, but it has been more than an hour with the request being made yesterday afternoon. i have learnt from my mistakes. I don't know what was being thought, but I'm sure that I deserve another chance. Pablothepenguin (talk) 13:58, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
Decline reason:
Given the edit-warring on a page covered by the topic ban, with insults to other editors, and following a discussion in the unblock IRC channel, I do not see that the issues that led to the block have been sufficiently addressed. The standard offer may be a way forward. Huon (talk) 18:52, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
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1) I have a life outside Wikipedia, and since it involves getting paid and having fun with my family, it takes priority. 2) Unblock requests are best reviewed by an independent administrator. If you run out of patience, you run the risk of your talk page access being disabled. Chill. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:53, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
- I understand, @Ritchie333:, I'll take that into consideration. It's taking a while for my unblock request to be reviewed, isn't it. Any suggestions to get a faster response? Pablothepenguin (talk) 23:59, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
- @Ritchie333:, Remember that I still have an ongoing unblock request. Pablothepenguin (talk) 18:03, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
Request 3
Pablothepenguin (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
I really would benefit from mentoring. I'm pretty sure the blocking administrator agrees with this. I'm sorry for pinging him too much, but it has been more than an hour with the request being made yesterday afternoon. i have learnt from my mistakes. I don't know what was being thought, but I'm sure that I deserve another chance. I also wish to state that I will refrain from even reading pages which may provoke me to vandalise the wiki. I do deserve another chance for the purpose of being an anti vandalism expert. I will head a mentor and I will promise not to do anything unjust ever again, and will monitor more closely my actions on my account.Pablothepenguin (talk) 13:58, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
Decline reason:
Procedural decline You had two open requests at the same time, both date stamped as as 13:58 16 May. The request has now been declined by Huon above, and the standard offer provided. Jezebel's Ponyobons mots 19:01, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
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Request 4
Pablothepenguin (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
I wish to find a mentor through the adoption programme. I feel this would be a good way to develop my skills on wiki, and deal with vandalism as it occurs. I wish to note that this is also an important step to help me gain a better position at Wikipedia. I am also keen on providing new information for articles on subjects like Brighton Pier and various musical things. I am also keen on writing new articles for subjects that would benefit from them. My main goal on Wikipedia is to improve the content which is there and make sure that vandalism is dealt with as soon as possible. I am ideally looking for rollback rights at the end of this process to show that I am indeed capable of dealing with anti-vandalism tasks. While it is not my primary objective here, if I spend the next several thousand edits doing constructive anti-vandalism related things, I may wish to apply for adminship someday. This may be many years away, but at least it will always remain a possibility. I must start this new chapter in Wikipedia life by gaining access to a mentor. I can only do this with an unblock thank you very much.
Ps, I am indeed aware of what I did wrong this time. I am imposing very strict requirements on myself not to even read articles which may provoke bad editing practices. Thusly, I may end up with a slightly narrower list of topics than ideal. Please accept my apologies for previous behaviour, it will not reoccur. Thank you. Pablothepenguin (talk) 19:08, 25 May 2017 (UTC).
Decline reason:
You were previously indefinitely blocked after violating your topic ban (which was initially imposed here), and you were unblocked on the conditions that:
- Your topic ban on "all editing on Scotland in relation to Great Britain/United Kingdom, broadly construed" is extended to indefinite. Note that indefinite is not infinite. You may make an appeal to the community after six months.
- Further violations of your topic ban will result in reinstatement of your indefinite block.
You blatantly broke your agreement and again violated your topic ban, and you were abusive to other editors. And you do not need a mentor to teach you how not to do that.
As for "I am imposing very strict requirements on myself not to even read articles which may provoke bad editing practices", you said almost exactly the same thing last November when you were unblocked: "I am avoiding certain articles which may trigger me to compromise the topic ban or anything remotely close to this", and I see no reason to believe you this time when you reneged on it last time.
Huon has recommended the WP:Standard Offer, and I think that is the best you are likely to get at this point. So stay away for the minimum 6 months, then make an unblock appeal that convinces a reviewer that you fully understand the problems that led to your block and that they will not be repeated. If that is successful, if you want a mentor you can seek one then. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 12:40, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
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Adoption offers
I see that, prior to your latest block, you have been offering to adopt/mentor other editors. In the light of the above and your obvious unsuitability to be mentoring anyone, that really adds to my doubts about your competence to be editing Wikipedia at all. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 13:19, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
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Add new countries when account is unblocked. Pablothepenguin (talk) 00:22, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
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Unblock Request
Pablothepenguin (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
Dear Admins, it has been nearly seven months since I was blocked. I have greatly improved myself in this time. I no longer expect to get unhappy enough to vandalise a page on Wikipedia. I am now ready to accept the standard offer, so please consider this in your judgement. Finally, I close by saying that I would like to get a mentor after I am unblocked, if you could assist with this, that would be very ideal. Thank you. Pablothepenguin (talk) 14:50, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
Decline reason:
You've been indef'ed three times, and blocked three times for violating your topic ban. The fact you didn't even address your topic ban in this unblock request tells me that we are going to be right back to this point if an unblock is granted. To be blunt, I feel like the community has given you plenty of "last chances". RickinBaltimore (talk) 15:10, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
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You are blocked for violating your topic ban, but haven't addressed this at all in your unblock request. --Yamla (talk) 14:49, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
- Assuming the ban still applies (best to confirm this with me), I certainly will never ever violate it again, I admit that I was stupid back then, and broke it unnecessarily, but I can assure you those days are over. Pablothepenguin (talk) 14:50, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
- It would be, and with seven blocks, all for either edit warring or violating a topic ban, I'm unsure its really worth the potential time sink of unblocking you just to be blocked again.. I could possibly support an unblock on the proviso that it really is the last time we'll consider an unblock request? -- There'sNoTime (to explain) 14:54, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
- I don’t think I’ll be blocked ever again, I hope to put in many years of service, and I hope I can transform myself to be a top anti-vandalism editor. Unfortunately I don’t think I’m admin material, but I’m not bothered about that anyway. And yes, if I really do get where I want to go I can look into being an admin, but only if I can stop making a fool of myself with these blocks. So, an Unblock would be very ideal, remembering that I will immediately try to get a mentor, surely you can help with this? Pablothepenguin (talk) 14:57, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
- It would be, and with seven blocks, all for either edit warring or violating a topic ban, I'm unsure its really worth the potential time sink of unblocking you just to be blocked again.. I could possibly support an unblock on the proviso that it really is the last time we'll consider an unblock request? -- There'sNoTime (to explain) 14:54, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
A more Detailed Request
Pablothepenguin (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
As I have said above, I would like to be unblocked so I can obtain a mentor and better my anti-vandalism abilities on Wikipedia. I can assure you that I will never infringe my topic ban ever again. I know I was stupid and I know I’ve had my moments of idiocy, put please consider that I really will change this time. I personally think that I will never even look at a page that has anything to do with the topic ban, I feel that I should be given one final chance to prove myself once and for all, especially as I am getting much better at dealing with stress. I must be able to improve articles of local interest and I must also work on articles for other places I like. I need a mentor and I need one final chance. So, please understand that I have now addressed the topic ban and remember that the original blocking Admin should be allowed to give his opinion here of this unblock request. Pablothepenguin (talk) 15:18, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
Decline reason:
The discussion below shows that were not even aware of the terms of your topic ban, and that you openly intend to flout it if unblocked. So no, I am not in any way satisfied that you have addressed the topic ban. Yunshui 雲水 08:52, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
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Discussion related to topic ban and looking forward
- What was the original topic ban? Also, I think it best if you keep to 1RR in the future. And using civil edit summaries, of course. -- Dlohcierekim (talk) 15:22, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
- Good points there! I believe the topic ban was to do with Scottish Politics. Pablothepenguin (talk) 15:24, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
- If you do not understand the nature of the topic ban, and I see no reason why that should be lifted now, it would be hard to unblock you with the expectation of you adhering to said topic ban. -- Dlohcierekim (talk) 15:45, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
- I can assure you I do understand the nature of the topic ban, I’m just not very good at wording it very well. It was Scottish Politics, with a particular emphasis on its political relationship with the UK. Pablothepenguin (talk) 15:49, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
- I see. And what are articles of local interest, and other articles you like? -- Dlohcierekim (talk) 15:58, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
- Local interest for me would be anything on the subject of Southwestern Scotland, I also like other places too, like Brighton and Hove, and the Scottish Highlands, and possibly even Southampton. Pablothepenguin (talk) 16:01, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
- FYI, for your topic ban it is "all editing on Scotland in relation to Great Britain/United Kingdom, broadly construed", not just Scottish Politics. RickinBaltimore (talk) 16:05, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
- Ok then, I must not have remembered it 100% correctly, thank you for reminding me, I’ll bear that in mind. Pablothepenguin (talk) 18:40, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
- FYI, for your topic ban it is "all editing on Scotland in relation to Great Britain/United Kingdom, broadly construed", not just Scottish Politics. RickinBaltimore (talk) 16:05, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
- Local interest for me would be anything on the subject of Southwestern Scotland, I also like other places too, like Brighton and Hove, and the Scottish Highlands, and possibly even Southampton. Pablothepenguin (talk) 16:01, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
- I see. And what are articles of local interest, and other articles you like? -- Dlohcierekim (talk) 15:58, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
- I can assure you I do understand the nature of the topic ban, I’m just not very good at wording it very well. It was Scottish Politics, with a particular emphasis on its political relationship with the UK. Pablothepenguin (talk) 15:49, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
- If you do not understand the nature of the topic ban, and I see no reason why that should be lifted now, it would be hard to unblock you with the expectation of you adhering to said topic ban. -- Dlohcierekim (talk) 15:45, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
- Good points there! I believe the topic ban was to do with Scottish Politics. Pablothepenguin (talk) 15:24, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
For reference, it was originally applied here. See WP:RESTRICT for the current status. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 19:27, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
- Let it be noted that the six months timer will commence on unblock'. -- Dlohcierekim (talk) 19:53, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
standard offer
@Ritchie333: Ignoring the tone of the most recent unblock request, what do you think? -- Dlohcierekim (talk) 13:38, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
- That is to say, SO with aforementioned TBAN. TBAN to be reviewed 6 months on.13:49, 5 December 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dlohcierekim (talk • contribs)
- IF it's OK, @Ritchie333:, I would like to unblock with the understanding that the TBAN remains in place. -- Dlohcierekim (talk) 03:02, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
- In general terms, you don't need to ask my permission to unblock if you have a solid case. If Pablo is happy to take the full topic ban of Scotland, then we can unblock, with the understanding that if he violates the ban again, he's probably run out of WP:ROPE. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:40, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
- It would be unwise in my opinion, Dlohcierekim, to unblock with the current TBAN in place - I strongly suggest it is increased to cover Scotland in general, broadly construed -- There'sNoTime (to explain) 12:47, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
- @Ritchie333 and Dlohcierekim: It's not clear even to me exactly what Ritchie's "the aforementioned topic ban" and "the full topic ban of Scotland" refer to, and probably not to Pablo either. Note that the user protests above against There'sNoTime's proposal of a topic ban to cover Scotland in all aspects, broadly construed, because "articles on geographical features and settlements" are exactly what they want to edit (I'm pretty sure that means Scottish geographical features and settlements). In other words, they don't seem at all happy with "a full topic ban of Scotland". Or are you, Pablo? Would there be any point in unblocking you on condition of a topic ban from Scotland in all its aspects? Bishonen | talk 13:03, 7 December 2017 (UTC).
- @Bishonen: Okay, let's (in the words of Alan Sugar) get down to brass tacks. The problem with Pablo isn't really anything to do with Scotland or Scottish politics, and trying to define the scope of such a "broadly construed" topic ban is difficult when you get into grey areas. It's more to do with the fact that he likes to edit-war in discussion threads and gets upset when consensus doesn't go his way. So, as a complete alternative, why don't we just put him on a straight 1RR restriction and unblock. It's a bright line, it's obvious when it's been violated, and it more or less stops the problems that the topic ban was supposed to prevent, while also giving him free reign to write whatever articles he likes. How does that grab people? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:12, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
- I would agree 1RR, as the condition for unblocking, sounds reasonable. I see no need to increase the scope of the TBAN, especially as it would cover an area editor now wishes to edit. Bishonen, how do you see it? Ritchie333, I new you would give valuable insight. -- Dlohcierekim (talk) 14:16, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
- If I can add, I agree with the idea of 1RR being put in place (not indefinitely of course), with the understanding that this is pretty much the end of the WP:ROPE we are giving. If Pablo can show that he can cooperate within the boundaries of 1RR after a amount of time to be determined, then it can be reviewed and removed if deemed to be a good idea. RickinBaltimore (talk) 14:19, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
- Can we just do away with the original topic ban and replace it with 1RR? I think there's a legitimate argument to make that trying to topic ban everything to do with Scotland and GB / UK is too broad a brush. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:28, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
- If I can add, I agree with the idea of 1RR being put in place (not indefinitely of course), with the understanding that this is pretty much the end of the WP:ROPE we are giving. If Pablo can show that he can cooperate within the boundaries of 1RR after a amount of time to be determined, then it can be reviewed and removed if deemed to be a good idea. RickinBaltimore (talk) 14:19, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
- Fine by me, as long as the block explains fully what 1RR means and what a revert is. It's actually not an altogether simple concept — I've known admins disagree about it. Six months, perhaps? Bishonen | talk 17:51, 7 December 2017 (UTC).
Okay, Pablo, agree to this deal and I will unblock (unless another admin gets to it first):
- You can only revert one edit per article per 24 hours.
- It doesn't matter if you don't hit the "undo" button, if you change somebody else's text back to the previous revision manually (whether in whole or in part), it counts as a "revert" for this purposes.
- Making a bold edit on an article counts as a "revert". If you change an article, or add something to it, and your edit is reverted, do not revert back as you will violate this restriction.
- If you try and game the system (ie: do two reverts just outside the 24 hour window), that will be treated as a violation
- There are limited exceptions, covered in Wikipedia:Edit warring#Exemptions. In particular, you can revert blatant and obvious vandalism and I'm happy for you to have general free reign over your talk page, so you can revert whatever you like on here, as long as it's not a declined unblock request (while you are still blocked).
- Any violation of the restriction will be met by an immediate indefinite block, at which point you should forget about editing Wikipedia for a very, very long time.
You should read Wikipedia:Edit warring#What edit warring is carefully. Additionally, should be aware (as Bishonen hints above) that some admins are lenient towards breaking restrictions based on context, others will block the minute they see two reverts on an article that are close enough together. Also, while I generally don't sanction on civility alone, if you skirt the line of 1RR with edit summaries like "Fuck you", you'll probably wind up getting blocked anyway. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 18:06, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
−
For context, link to original--
- TBAN-- "Since no one else has bothered so far - I am proposing a 6 month topic ban from the topics of Scotland & Great Britain/United Kingdom broadly construed. A quick look back at their editing history shows the Pro-Scottish independance view has caused their editing to be disruptive on more than one occasion. This MFD was a result of a series of edits annoying the ref desks. A pattern of editing that has resurfaced with his pointless arguments at the Google streetview page and the village pump." -- Dlohcierekim (talk) 14:22, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
Agreement
I, Pablothepenguin, hereby do officially agree to the above one revert rule suggestions. I Antoine to them in every way possible and promise with my heart will not be violated. Pablothepenguin (talk) 18:16, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
Third Request
Pablothepenguin (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
I have never intended to flout the ban and I certainly do understand the terms of it. Why would anyone think otherwise. I am very offended by someone who is clearly not the blocking admin trying to pass judgement like this. I can assure you that I do not intend to flout the ban. I’m sorry if I didn’t remember it right but I certainly do now. Are you suggesting that my geographical subjects are violating this ban? I don’t see how they could be. I am not very good at wording things. The only edits I’ll do which relate to Scotland are matters of Geography independent of the topic ban. Please understand that I need a mentor. I’m sure that writing and editing articles about obscure place names and geographical features is an acceptable thing for me to do. With a mentor I can definitely improve. Pablothepenguin (talk) 12:35, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
Accept reason:
See below conditions. 1RR restriction in place until 7 June 2018. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 18:18, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
- What about if the topic ban was extended to cover Scotland in all aspects, broadly construed, given that it was the area which caused most of these blocks? -- There'sNoTime (to explain) 12:41, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
- I understand what you say, but articles on geographical features and settlements have never caused me bother. These are things that I want to work on. Pablothepenguin (talk) 12:47, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
- Sorry to have to ask this, but why is it taking so long for a response to my current unblock request? @Ritchie333: Pablothepenguin (talk) 20:05, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
- This may be the problem. -- Dlohcierekim (talk) 03:04, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
- User_talk:Pablothepenguin/Archive_11#Unblock_Request_2 may be a factor. The concern is that you will not adhere to the TBAN once unblocked. -- Dlohcierekim (talk) 03:07, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
- Sorry to have to ask this, but why is it taking so long for a response to my current unblock request? @Ritchie333: Pablothepenguin (talk) 20:05, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
- I understand what you say, but articles on geographical features and settlements have never caused me bother. These are things that I want to work on. Pablothepenguin (talk) 12:47, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
Double Check
Can I just double check if this 1RR supersedes the Topic Ban, in other words, does the Topic Ban still apply or not, sorry to ask this but not very sure as the stuff on my Talk Page is a little unclear? Pablothepenguin (talk) 19:22, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
- The ban is for "all editing on Scotland in relation to Great Britain/United Kingdom, broadly construed". To give you a couple of examples of how I think that should work - I've got no issue with you expanding Portobello Pier out from a stub or updating Marischal Square which has now opened. I think the admins above are happy with this being superseded with 1RR, but I don't believe you can get a consensus for removing it unless it gets discussed at the Administrators noticeboard. I would err on the side of assuming that it is still active and concurrent with the 1RR restriction. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 19:33, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
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I am sorry to see what has happened to your rollback request. You are a victim of your past, your blocks. The only way of doing anti-vandalism for you is going to be WP:CLEANSTART. You have been a good student and sadly I am full of Wikipedia's inability to see people turn and become decent editors. My stay here is over, farewell Pablo. Cheers, FriyMan Per aspera ad astra 19:09, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
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