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Information icon Hello, I'm FifthFive. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, Quit India Movement, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at referencing for beginners. If you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Also see WP:RGW. FifthFive (talk) 05:52, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All sources are reliable. When I added the citations or sources, the editor automatically added each and every one. Yes now I see that the citations are not as per the syntax of Wikipedia. I have a PhD from a US university and I have published 6 books and numerous papers. Hence I know how citations work. Please see the citations which I added - if you click on the citations [20] to [24], each of then should go to their sources because when I added them, they found every one.
I do not want to type every things again. Is there any way to use all the typed sentences/paragraphs and only change the citations. Please let me know.
It was citation - [20] https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=P9oYG7HA76QC&dat=19420805&printsec=frontpage&hl=en
It was citation [22] https://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ukgwa/20230801124840/http://filestore.nationalarchives.gov.uk/pdfs/small/cab-66-25-wp-42-255-35.pdf
Citation - [23] https://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ukgwa/20231023124901/http://filestore.nationalarchives.gov.uk/pdfs/small/cab-66-26-wp-42-271-1.pdf
[20] Gandhi's plan to make India a Japanese Empire Colony (5 August 1942). "The Indian Express - Google News Archive Search". news.google.com. Retrieved 25 September 2024. [21] Press report after British Raj released Gandhi's original 1942 Quit India Draft (5 August 1942). "The Indian Express - Google News Archive Search". news.google.com. Retrieved 25 September 2024.
[22] World War II British War Cabinet Minute on Gandhi's plan to make India a Japanese Empire Colony (16 June 1942). "UK Government Web Archive" (PDF). webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk. Retrieved 25 September 2024. [23] World War II British War Cabinet Minute on Gandhi's plan to make India a Japanese Empire Colony (27 June 1942). "UK Government Web Archive" (PDF). webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk. Retrieved 25 September 2024. Sxk125125 (talk) 06:24, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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Control copyright icon Hello Sxk125125! Your additions to Quit India Movement have been removed in whole or in part, as they appear to have added copyrighted content without evidence that the source material is in the public domain or has been released by its owner or legal agent under a suitably free and compatible copyright license. (To request such a release, see Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission.) While we appreciate your contributions to Wikipedia, it's important to understand and adhere to guidelines about using information from sources to prevent copyright and plagiarism issues. Here are the key points:

It's very important that contributors understand and follow these practices. Persistent failure to comply may result in being blocked from editing. If you have any questions or need further clarification, please ask them here on this page, or leave a message on my talk page. Thank you. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 13:26, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your suggestions. I have just deleted the copyrighted stuff from New York Times. If you are editing at Wikipedia, then you should at least know the importance of various citations, i.e. what type of citations these are and what they contain, You would have seen the citations, i.e. none of my citations are from dubious sources. The two 1942 British War Cabinet documents were written by Secretary of State For India in British Govt Cabinet. During British Empire, there used to have a Secretary of State For India in British Govt and he used to create documents for the entire Cabinet. Both the documents clearly stated that till then Gandhi was collaborating with Britain but now Gandhi thought that Japan would win WWII and hence he wanted British out from India and India to become a colony of Japan - that's why when British Raj (in India) made all the Gandhi papers public on August 4, 1942 in India, there was a big uproar and hence there was a news report in Indian Express August 5, 1942 (please see the citation number 20 from Google Newspaper Archives) - "CONGRESS PRESTIGE WILL NOT SUFFER" - it was because Gandhi's draft was not for independence of India instead, it was to make India a colony of Japan.
If someone just delete entire section and write a nasty comment about citations, then how you are going to believe? I have a PhD from Penn State and I have written 6 books and numerous articles. I have the person who has made these citations public for the first time. Thanks Sxk125125 (talk) 16:04, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have deleted the New York Times stuff as suggested by you and then republished the rest. But for your information, the entire article published by New York Times (and quoted by me) was NOT of New York Times, instead it was Gandhi's 1942 Quit India Movement Draft AS IS which was made public on that day by the British Raj all over India (to all press reporters also). Hence the New York Times stuff was published AS IS by several newspapers and magazines all over the world. I wanted reader to read the actual Gandhi's draft and hence I quoted it AS IS - that's why as per me it is not copy right violation at all because the words and paragraphs were not of New York Times at all (i.e. those were Gandhi's). Thanks Sxk125125 (talk) 19:23, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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You have been blocked from editing for a period of 31 hours for making personal attacks towards other editors. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions.
If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please review Wikipedia's guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text to the bottom of your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.  RegentsPark (comment) 20:41, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Your comments about User:Dympies at Talk:Quit India Movement are unacceptable. Please restrict your comments to the content of articles and avoid attacking editors. RegentsPark (comment) 20:44, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am going to delete my Wikipedia account. It is useless to spend time here because there are non-sense and biased people - I do not want to spend my time here. Sxk125125 (talk) 20:50, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see that it is not possible to delete a Wikipedia account. It is COMPLETELY non-sense to deal with non-sense and biased users here as I can not even finalize 3 short paragraphs in one Wikipedia page. It is well known in India that pro-Gandhi/Congress party/Muslims and BJP (current ruling party) do not want to see each-other at all.. I have very bad experience of Wikipedia. Therefore it is useless to spend precision time here. Sxk125125 (talk) 21:03, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • The text you are trying to put is of no value at the end of the day because it misses the fact that Mahatma Gandhi had denounced the Imperial Japanese Empire in clear words during his June 1942 interview with Preston Grover where he said "I want India to oppose Japan to a man."[1] These are the words came to be popularized all over at that time.[2] You are wrong about just everything you have mentioned here so far. For a name, you falsely claimed that Mahatma Gandhi never demanded independence despite he did that since 1909 for India as evidenced from his book Hind Swaraj or Indian Home Rule. You are wrong about the Nobel Prize's history with Gandhi because in 1948, he was going to be awarded but was murdered. Gandhi was the de facto winner of 1948 because the Nobel committee refused to give the prize to anyone else. Read Nobel Peace Prize#Notable omissions. It is also laughable that you want to credit a failed insurrection like Royal Indian Navy mutiny despite all their mutineers quickly surrendered. Have you ever heard of the 1946 Indian provincial elections or you just want to hide this fact? The people voted for Congress into power. It is an undeniable fact that Congress under Mahatma Gandhi brought independence and they similarly inspired the rest of the world to overthrow the colonial empires. You should stick to the history instead of borrowing from some baseless Hindutva propaganda. Dympies (talk) 01:20, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Please stop using words "baseless Hindutva propaganda" to make personal attack as this shows what type of person you are and why you are blocking my changes - You have no idea about Indian history at all. Gandhi was saying something in public and something else in private about Japanese Empire - whatever interviews and pamphlets you have cited are nothing but childish. You are NOT DOING work for an editor at all because work of an editor is to go through the citations and see if the text written is from the citations. Work of an editor is not to insist that text should be verified from a books. You are using your own definition of WP:OR. to delete my stuff.
    My all 4 citations are well documented and based on British government declassified files. In British Prime Minister Cabinet, there used to be a Secretary of State For India since British Rule in India and he used to produce documents/books for entire Cabinet on important issues. After Gandhi's 1942 Quit India Draft were seized, Secretary of State For India produced those 2 documents/books (cited by me in deleted stuff and in those one can clearly verify whatever I have written. Please stop using using your own definition of WP:OR. to delete my stuff. Sxk125125 (talk) 15:16, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Your citations of Gandhi's "I want India to oppose Japan to a man."[1] and .[2] are nothing but childish. Gandhi would NEVER say in public that he wanted India to be part of Japanese Empire or make any statement which is pro-Japan because Britain was fighting Japan in WWII at that time. He was selling 1942 Quit India Movement to Indians that it was independence from Britain - he would have NEVER publicly said that he wanted India to be part of Japanese Empire once Britain would leave. Please stop being a child.
    You have written about me - "You should stick to the history instead of borrowing from some baseless Hindutva propaganda." - your Wikipedia contributions show your background and you WILL NEVER UNDO the delete.
    It is useless to spend my precision time in fighting with people like you!!!! Sxk125125 (talk) 15:39, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I am sure not even you believe in this analysis of yours because if this was any true then we would know that now through correspondences of the Indians with the Imperial Japanese Empire. Publicly denouncing the Imperial Japanese Empire is more than enough in this regard to refute your research. Like I said, you need to stick to history instead of borrowing from some garbage Hindutva propaganda or else you won't be taken seriously anywhere. Dympies (talk) 16:48, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    You have written - "Like I said, you need to stick to history instead of borrowing from some garbage Hindutva propaganda or else you won't be taken seriously anywhere." For 60 years, Nehru Gandhi dynasty COMPLTELY CORRUPTED history of India and pampered people like you. Now it is time that you people should be shown the door and hit hard with evidences!!!!!!! Sxk125125 (talk) 17:00, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    They are not historians thus they can do nothing to corrupt history. It is the modus operandi of Hindutva activists to impose false history. Still, if you are having some kind of phobia against the publications inside India then why don't you take books from Cambridge University Press, Princeton University Press and others then match them against your Hindutva propaganda? Results will be terrifying for you and you know that. Dympies (talk) 17:20, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Sixty years of Nehru Gandhi dynasty has completely corrupted Indian history and everywhere, be in India or overseas, there are people like you who have been pampered over those years and resist. Whatever I have written on this page clearly comes from citations but you are injecting your own definition of WP:OR. Sxk125125 (talk) 17:40, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I am taking this response as a joke. You have only falsified the sources and relied on baseless Hindutva propaganda. Dympies (talk) 17:49, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Your statement - "Have you ever heard of the 1946 Indian provincial elections or you just want to hide this fact?" - is nothing but childish - this type of election was held earlier also - holding election does not mean Gandhi and his Congress party forced Britain to leave India. 1946 elections were held in Jan and like all previous elections, Congress won majority of seats as predicted. Then in March 1946 Cabinet Mission to India came to India to discuss transfer of power to Congress party and Muslim League. You have very little knowledge about history of India. There were 1937 Indian provincial elections and 1934 Indian general election (in which also Congress had won majority) also but it does not mean that Gandhi did not want India to be part of Japanese Empire in 1942. After failed 1942 Quit India Movement, which was suppressed in a few months by British Raj, there was no independence movement at by Gandhi and his Congress party all. Hence the question is - why should Indians give credit to Gandhi and his Congress party for independence of India??? Answer lies in the British Govt declassified documents published in Vol 6 of Transfer of Power which clearly state that there was a threat of massive
https://archive.org/details/transferofpower10006unse/page/n5/mode/2up
The following is the part of the Chief of Staff Committee Cabinet Paper on November 24, 1945 about the effect of political situation on the Armed Forces (Transfer of Power [above book], pp 582-3):
If the Indian Forces as a whole cease to be reliable, the British Armed Forces now available are not likely to be able to control the internal situation or to protect essential communications, nor would any piecemeal reinforcement of these forces be of much avail. To regain control of the situation and to restore essential communications within the country, nothing short of an organized campaign for the reconquest of India is likely to suffice. It is not possible now to compute the air and land forces required for such a campaign, but they would inevitably be very large as, if the Indian Armed Forces are not prepared to support Government, they will almost inevitably actively oppose it. Further, such active opposition is not likely to be confined to India alone. Disaffection will inevitably spread to Indian troops now being employed by His Majesty’s Government in overseas theatres such as Burma, Malaya, Java and the Middle East with serious repercussions on the attitude of the peoples of those countries. Afghanistan also may well throw in her lot with the Frontier tribes and the Mussalmans of North Western India.
The following December 22, 1945 letter from General Auchinleck, Commander-in-Chief of the Indian Army, to Chiefs of Staff shows the reason why the Britain suddenly decided to give independence to India (Transfer of Power [above book], p 676):
If disturbances have started and Indian Armed Forces generally or in part have proved unreliable or actively hostile, situation is completely different. In this case British formations would be required to land at whatever port could be kept open and be prepared to fight their way inland to restore, protect and operate railway communications. They would, therefore, have to be accompanied by necessary technical units including railway operating units. Number and phasing of arrival of these formations would have to depend upon the situation at this time and availability and condition of ports. In worst case with Indian Armed Forces generally actively hostile British formations might have to fight their way ashore as well as inland. No firm planning on such indeterminate data is practicable and most you can do is to hold in readiness such formations and technical units together with necessary air support as would be made available to meet whatever situation arises. No deception plan is required in this case.
By the end of December 1945, Britain had decided to grant independence to India. As per a letter dated January 17, 1946 from the Secretary of State for India Lord Pethick-Lawrence to British Prime Minister Attlee, British Government had already made up its mind to send a Cabinet Mission, [which eventually came to India in March 1946] consisting of three Cabinet members, to discuss the transfer of powers from the British government to the Indian political leaders (Transfer of Power [above book], pp 809-10). Therefore, British Government had decided to give independence to India even before the 1946 Naval Mutiny which took place in February 1946.
It was Clement Atlee, British prime minister at the time of granting independence to India, who said that Gandhi’s non-violence movement had next to zero effect on the British. Chief Justice P.B. Chakrabarty of the Kolkata High Court, who served as acting governor of West Bengal, disclosed the following in a letter addressed to the publisher of Ramesh Chandra Majumdar’s book A History of Bengal (https://www.slideshare.net/slideshow/ranjan-borra-subhas-chandra-bose-the-indian-national-army-and-the-war-of-indias-liberation-journal-of-historical-review-volume-3-no-4/36855341#5 - reference 46):
You have fulfilled a noble task by persuading Dr. Majumdar to write this history of Bengal and publishing it … In the preface of the book Dr. Majumdar has written that he could not accept the thesis that Indian independence was brought about solely, or predominantly by the non-violent civil disobedience movement of Gandhi. When I was the acting Governor, Lord Atlee, who had given us independence by withdrawing the British rule from India, spent two days in the Governor’s palace at Calcutta during his tour of India. At that time I had a prolonged discussion with him regarding the real factors that had led the British to quit India. My direct question to him was that since Gandhi’s “Quit India” movement had tapered off quite some time ago and in 1947 no such new compelling situation had arisen that would necessitate a hasty British departure, why did they have to leave? In his reply Atlee cited several reasons, the principal among them being the erosion of loyalty to the British Crown among the Indian army and navy personnel as a result of the military activities of Netaji [Subhash Chandra Bose].Toward the end of our discussion I asked Atlee what was the extent of Gandhi’s influence upon the British decision to quit India. Hearing this question, Atlee's lips became twisted in a sarcastic smile as he slowly chewed out the word, “m-i-n-i-m-a-l!”.
You have written about me - You should stick to the history instead of borrowing from some baseless Hindutva propaganda - Based on your own Wikipedia contributions as I have written, you will never undo the delete!!!!! Sxk125125 (talk) 16:53, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That means I was correct with saying that you are simply hiding the fact that Congress won 1946 elections when you omitted its mention and talked about transfer of power as if Congress did nothing before that. When the actual fact is that the Congress worked hard for decades to bring not only the independence but also united the masses.
Field Marshal Arjan Singh confirmed that already during World War 2, the British realized they cannot use forces against the Indians.[3] That alone confirms why your cherrypicked analysis is meaningless.
You have verified my points by citing that newly invented lie about Clement Attlee. He never made that absurd statement. This lie has been debunked and you can read this article. What Clement Attlee actually said in 1948 on Mahatma Gandhi was: "For a quarter of a century this one man has been the major factor in every consideration of the Indian problem. He had become the expression of the aspirations of the Indian people for independence, but he was not just a nationalist. He represented---it is true---the opposition of the Indian to be ruled by another race, but he also expressed a revulsion of the East against the West."[4]
Not sure how many more times you will confirm that you are only borrowing from garbage Hindutva propaganda. You need to stop it already and read history. Dympies (talk) 17:13, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Your this article. has no meaning as a blog has no basis as per you also because you believe in Book evidence only. Once one through all the 1300+ pages of https://archive.org/details/transferofpower10006unse/page/n5/mode/2up, he would be easily able to find that IT WAS BOSE'S INA who made the British realized they cannot use forces against the Indians. There is no point in arguing with you.
In an August 20, 1945 letter, Viceroy had written to Pethick-Lawrence, then Secretary of State for India: [1]
This is the first occasion on which an anti-British politician [Subhas Chandra Bose] has acquired a hold over a substantial number of men in the Indian Army, and the consequences are quite incalculable.
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[1] Fay, Peter Ward, The Forgotten Army: India’s Armed Struggle for Independence 1942-45, The University of Michigan Press, Michigan, Ann Arbor, US, First Paperback Edition 1995, p 452 and reference therein.
As I have written, For 60 years, Nehru Gandhi dynasty COMPLTELY CORRUPTED history of India and pampered people like you. Now it is time that you people should be shown the door and hit hard with evidences!!!!!!!
It is useless to spend time here. Sxk125125 (talk) 17:29, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That blog is WP:RS unlike your baseless Hindutva propaganda.
Why are you telling me to read 1300 pages? I am aware of that book and there is nothing in that book which supports your absurd claims.
Congress party is not known for fiddling with the history. It is the modus operandi of Hindutva activists to impose false history. Dympies (talk) 17:49, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Your statements after statements about baseless Hindutva propaganda as well as your Wikipedia contributions (of mostly Muslim stuff) clearly show me you HATE anything which can be remotely related to so-called Hindutva. It is useless to argue with a pro-Muslim person!!!!! Sxk125125 (talk) 18:09, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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