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Please post all new discussions at the END of the page, to allow for easier chronological tracking! Thank you! WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 21:28, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Article posted by me

As references I have inserted an interview with AA Bronson, one of the three artistes who produced the work.

For this artwork existes several books and also interview. He has been shown in the most important museum of contemporary art of the the world.

I think the article it's too long to add it in the General Idea Article. Carmelo Graci (talk) 14:56, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Carmelo Graci: One of the citations you've added states that The instalaltion Instruction are part of the work of art Fin De Siecle and they are in the hands of the owner. If these instructions have not been published in a publicly accessible manner, they are not considered a valid reference. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 16:49, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also deleting this reference, the next one (4th) summarizes the same words.

I have the installation instructions of this work of art. Carmelo Graci (talk) 16:54, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I assumed as much, since I note that you have also declared yourself the owner of the work within the body of the draft. This constitutes a conflict of interest, which you will need to declare on your user page. (See {{UserboxCOI}} WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 16:57, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In my page I have written italian collector.

I hope to create, after Fin De Siecle, an article for Graci Collection, already in artguide. Carmelo Graci (talk) 17:00, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

https://bmw-art-guide.com/categories/collectors/carmelo-graci Carmelo Graci (talk) 17:06, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Carmelo Graci: Your user page is blank. Your sanbox contains the text Italian art collector. This is in no way a sufficient declaration of your conflict of interest regarding the specific piece of art in your collection, Fin de siėcle. And, as the owner of the Graci Collection, I would strongly discourage you from writing about it. You may, if you think your collection is that noteworthy, request an article be written about it by an independent editor. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 17:08, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In the interview General Idea Art, Aids and Fin De Siecle, visible on you tube, at 38th minute, the artist AA Bronson declares the importance of this piece. "bestknown" of their production. Carmelo Graci (talk) 17:11, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Carmelo Graci: We could say that "AA Bronson felt the piece was the most important of their career." But art critics and historians might not agree. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 18:08, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, right. Aniway if this work has been exhibited in all this museums it means also curators -and critics- are agree. But in the videodocuments it’s Bronson who speaks. So ok with your version. Carmelo Graci (talk) 18:17, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wide exhibition of a work of art does not automatically imply that it is the artist's most important work. It may just be the artist's (or the artwork's owner's) favorite work and therefore the one that was promoted to the most exhibitions. Any claim that a work is the artist's most important is an opinion, and at Wikipedia, we can report opinions, but we have to attribute them, rather than stating them in Wikipedia's own voice. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 18:33, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

yes, report the Bronson’s opinion is the best option: in the video it’s him who speaks. Carmelo Graci (talk) 19:32, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New page

Hi dan you recently declined the creation of a page I was creating. I saw a couple of the historic leagues already had wikipages such as the cosmopolitan league and I wanted to document some of the history of other leagues. I used the other pages to kind of guide me and found mostly newspaper and magazine references similar to the references I saw on the other pages what can I do to enhance the page so that it is approved. I want to move on to other leagues and revisit the page to update the history Wickedits (talk) 22:54, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Wickedits: You don't appear to have asked any question here, so I'm not sure how to respond. You can see the comment I left on Draft:Florida Gold Coast League — there are too many facts in the draft that are not verified by citations to reliable sources. If you can fix that problem, you can then resubmit the draft for further review. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 12:26, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Declination of a page (Municipal establishment "Kharkiv Humanitarian Pedagogical Academy" of the Kharkiv regional council)

"Kharkiv Humanitarian Pedagogical Academy Affairs" - is a page of government service "National agency for higher education quality assurance". This service check activity of our academy. This external reliable link. It is number 7 in our page list. But you indicated that our page does not contain external link and contains only internal links. Look please once more our page (Municipal establishment "Kharkiv Humanitarian Pegagogical Academy" of the Kharkiv regional council). Maybe it will suit you!!! Otherwise please prove that I am not right. Maiia Z (talk) 14:21, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Maiia Z: I see that you struggle with English, so you may not have properly understood my comment. I'll try to clarify. All of the references on Draft:Kharkiv Humanitarian Pegagogical Academy are links to pages published by the academy itself. Wikipedia does not consider these to be reliable sources. Wikipedia cares less about what an organization says about itself and more about what others have said about the organization. So, we'll need references from sources other than the academy itself. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 14:33, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am strong with English. I made changes in references list. Please check. Maiia Z (talk) 15:26, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please Verify This Source

Hi,I really appreciate your effort in making wikipedia a better place. I have a reference I wish to add to Draft:Christopher_M._Naghibi . Here it is - [1] DahSound (talk) 19:46, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@DahSound: Well, your draft has been deleted, so verifying sources is kinda moot now, but for the record, the source you've provided is a press release, which are often not considered valid sources for establishing notability. They can be used to verify facts in an article, but if there are no other sources that indicate notability, the draft is generally not published. In your case, apparently your draft was too overtly promotional and was deleted as spam. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 12:22, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See it, Please help me to check this draft if there be any errors, and if it is ok please publish it. Draft:Christopher Naghibi DahSound (talk) 13:47, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@DahSound: You have not submitted that draft for publication review yet. Please refer to the instructions at WP:AFC. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 14:15, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@DahSound: For the record, I have reviewed Draft:Christopher Naghibi, and I don't believe this individual merits inclusion at Wikipedia. He appears to be the COO of a relatively minor banking corporation. All of your sources are basically primary sources (press releases, corporate announcements, etc.). Nothing on the page suggests that he is a notable individual. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 14:20, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your feedback, The reason for the article is for educational purposes . I.e , Board members and history of First Foundation Bank and First City Banks, so that when an article of these banks are brought up it will be of essence.

The person in the article is known in areas of banking and stocks.

The references on this article can be verified and they serve as history. And if any looks promotional,you can kindly correct me.

Thank You DahSound (talk) 17:08, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@DahSound: Neither First Foundation Bank nor First City Bank appear to be notable banks, so Naghibi's role as their COO does not make him notable. If articles about either of those banks eventually get created, they can mention Naghibi as part of their history, but that does not require that a Wikipedia article exist prior to him being mentioned. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 18:25, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Herefordshire and Gloucestershire Canal

Dan

My name is Nick Dymott and I am the webmaster and magazine editor for the Herefordshire and Gloucestershire Canal Trust. I am reaching out to you in relation to the work done by yourself on the Wikipedia page on the Herefordshire and Gloucestershire Canal.

In late 2021 I attempted to make some amendments to the page, but these were not properly supported with citations/references, and the changes I made were understandably undone by yourself shortly thereafter.

I wish to make a further attempt at updating the article, particularly in relation to the Restoration of the Canal, and to correct a couple of inaccuracies elsewhere in the article.

In doing so I will attempt to fully support new material with appropriate citations and references, but I am new to Wikipedia and may therefore not get everything lined up correctly at first.

The purpose of this communication is to let you know of my intentions, and to ask that you bear with me, and if at all possible offer guidance on correcting any poor Wikipedia practices I use.

I am reaching out to user Bob1960evens in a similar way to this, as he has contributed much to the article..

Any assistance offered would be very much appreciated.

Nick Dymott

webmaster@h-g-canal.org.uk Nkneb61 (talk) 15:41, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Nkneb61: Nick, if you are doubtful about your edits, I recommend that you float a trial balloon first. Either make a note at the article's talk page with the changes you'd like to make, or, if the change is too complex for a simple talk page comment, add the version of the article as you'd like to see it to your personal sandbox and ask at the article talk page for that version to be reviewed. Good luck. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 16:31, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks - I will be back in touch in due course. Nkneb61 (talk) 10:11, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

YouTube links

Hi WikiDan, I understand YouTube is not a "reliable source" to qualify for a wikipedia page, but can I leave the links anyway, just because they do link to the movies the article is referencing? {{Ping|WikiDan61}} Neelenna (talk) 22:59, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Neelenna: The YouTube videos you've linked to (the few I checked) appear to be videos posted by Liégeois herself to promote her films. These are not valid external links under Wikipedia policy. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 12:33, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draft article Town of Paw Paw Old Mayor’s Office and Jail

Thanks for the clarification

I've found myself running in circles attempting to address each reviewer's comments that often times are not in agreement.

I've "cleaned up" the draft (basically to what I originally wrote) and in doing so took out the "extra historic". If the NHRP status is sufficient what more is required than referencing the nomination? So many buildings on the national register have only been written about via the nomination, and in doing so most independent reliable published sources (newspaper articles, meeting minutes, etc) have been used leaving nothing left to reference for an article on Wikipedia...

I'm a novice so I hope this reply finds you in the manner in which you prefer

WV Veritas (talk) 19:46, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@WV Veritas: It usually helps if you can show some form of significant coverage of the place outside of your own hometown. But it's generally agreed that mere inclusion in the NHRP is sufficient. Let me take another look. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 20:39, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@WV Veritas: I'm not finding confirmation that this site is actually listed in the NHRP. This citation is just the application for recognition; it does not confirm that the recognition was granted. This source is a local interest website, but I can confirm the reliability of that site. Finally, this link is just the NHRP search form, and in searching their database for sites in Morgan County, WV, I don't find a listing for any place in Paw Paw. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 21:07, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for taking a look.

It was approved by the NPS and entered into the National Register of Historic Places on 2 November 2023. No. 10000954

It does not appear the National Archives database containing the individual nominations is current (the nomination for this building, as well as a nomination for the Cacapon State Park listed in 2019 are not "linked" and accessible from the NPS website).

If you enter No. 100009542

into the search box on the following NPS website: National Register Database and Research

Search Properties Listed in the National Register of Historic Places

https://www.nps.gov/subjects/nationalregister/database-research.htm

The building shows as listed by the NPS with a listing date of 11/2/2023

The author of that article is the WV SHPO Coordinator for the National Register of Historic Places and while the website appears to be a local interest website it covers all of WV with a large regional following in the Mid-Atlantic region.

Really appreciate your assistance and willingness to run this all to ground.

WV Veritas (talk) 21:24, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For Alexis Wilhelm

Please do not delete entire paragraphs on scientific research. There have been cited sources, and remember that sometimes people simply cannot edit quickly. It is best to be patient on clearly true articles instead of deleting hard work. While it was good that you noticed the lack sources, Deleting the entire article is unreasonable 69.117.68.127 (talk) 00:15, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! I believe this is a mistake as there is no scientific research mentioned on this page. The sections generally have been delted as the information needs to be up to date and more detailed. Wikipedia hasn't been allowing this. Alexis.wilhelm (talk) 22:21, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Alexis.wilhelm: You are replying to an older message to me on my user talk page. That message about scientific research has nothing to do with your editing. My warnings to you on your user talk page are regarding your edits at Nathan Schlicher, where you have replaced properly sourced material with unsourced, promotional material, in violation of Wikipedia policy (see WP:RS, WP:BLP and WP:SPAM). WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 22:40, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draft: Ifeanyi Ossai

Thanks for your feedback, WikiDan61. I will work on the submission and hope for a more positive response this time. Chukwudi Utazi (talk) 14:25, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the merits of inclusion at Wikipeida for LTJG David M. Christian

Hi WikiDan61, just want to address your comments to see if there was any room for consideration? Christian was on a nationally televised Memorial Day tribute on TNT in May of 1995. His mission was considered significant enough for the USS Midway to keep on their Mission Board -- permanently. The researchers on the USS Midway are currently expanding their information on his story. And this January 2024 his records are currently under a requested Congressional Inquiry by a US Senator, which is currently being covered today on MSN.com and Yahoo News right now. (see: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/i-hope-he-was-not-a-pow-but-vietnam-vet-s-midstate-cousin-finds-evidence-he-survived-being-shot-down/ar-BB1hP3k6) Also the strange nature of his disappearance and mention in the PRAVDA article (which was likely because he had well documented SIOP/ALOFT nuclear weapons training) and the over 30 year long search by the CIA for answers to his disappearance which is well documented on the Library of Congress's archives. Further, he was within the first two dozen pilots to be shot down during the beginnings of the war. Finally he leads of Chapter 8 of Scott McGaugh's hard bound book: Midway Magic: An Oral History of America's Legendary Aircraft Carrier (ISBN 9781593150273). I sited many other references other than the Skyhawk association. I included: books, national TV coverage, current news coverage, as well as records from the Library of Congress and the National Archives. Also he was recently covered in a video game simulation on YouTube and received over 15,000 views inside of 2 weeks. So, I don't think the sources should be in question. So please reconsider. He has had much more coverage and is much more significant than you are portraying him to be. Respectfully submitted. VE23BlackKnights (talk) 20:09, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@VE23BlackKnights: I saw all of the coverage you provided, and I made my assessment. I recommend that you make a request at the Military History Project talk page to see if you can get someone more expert than I to re-assess. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 20:17, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, your response was cut off in my email. Just saw it. How do I do that request to the Military History Project talk page? VE23BlackKnights (talk) 20:23, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can I make that request without rebuilding a new WIKI page? That was a lot of work. Thank you. VE23BlackKnights (talk) 20:25, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Could you forward the page for me to them for review and consideration? Please? VE23BlackKnights (talk) 20:32, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I want to mention again that David Christian's mission is permanently on the Launch Status board at the USS Midway in their flight control center. You can verify this fact by contacting the research department at the USS Midway or contacting researcher: Laurent Reinhardt or Philip Eakin. They will verify the significance of his contribution to the USS Midway's history. 10,000 if not 100,000 of people will see his name on the mission board and want to know what his story is. Also MSN (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/i-hope-he-was-not-a-pow-but-vietnam-vet-s-midstate-cousin-finds-evidence-he-survived-being-shot-down/ar-BB1hP3k6#) and Yahoo News just ran a story on David Christian this week as well as ABC27 Harrisburg. Finally, he must be important enough if US Senator John Fetterman just launched a Congressional Inquiry into his records. How much more history do you need. People want to know about this story. And yes, their is conflicting information on his status and disappearance that is one of the reasons he is in the news. His records need to be looked at again and updated. Finally, his case number 0092-1-01 is full of documentation on the Library of Congress website. Also, when his remains were returned to the US, he was mentioned on national TV and was spoken about by President Ronald Regan. I don't have a source to back it up, but that was mentioned by his family. Additionally, there was a know USSR bounty put on pilots with certain technical training - the VA-23's squad book on page 107 says they had "nuclear weapons delivery capabilities" - and the CIA documents on the Library of Congress site show they kept looking for him for seven years past the time he was repatriated. I can give you direct link to those documents. His MIA case is one of the most complicated ones you will find. Also, in mid 90's Boris Yeltson told President Bush they had about a dozen of our pilots from Vietnam and handed over data on them. Article: By Daily Press | PUBLISHED: June 17, 1992. Article: Russia hands over data on five Americans captured in Vietnam to the US. Article: Some Vietnam POWs May Be Alive in Russia. David could have been one of them. So this is a very significant historical figure we are talking about. He flew about 60 missions before he disappeared. Additionally a DCS video gamer just ran a simulation of his mission on YouTube and referecned his whole account by name. This video recieved 15,000+ views in only 3 weeks time. Also, there is a probability of interest in this story by media now that it's out there for more to come. I can reply and provide more documentaion and write a better piece, but I struggle because I am not a professional writer, but please do not reject his story. I can improve it and provide better sources. It is definitely a significant story to US Navy History. VE23BlackKnights (talk) 13:43, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I looked it up, according to the USS Midway, the receive between 1 to 5 million visitors each year. According to the USS Midway Museum, the attracts over 5,000,000 visitors annually for its impressive collection of aircraft, storied military past and fun-filled family activities.^[1] Since they have chosen to keep LTJG David Christian's mission up perminately in their Primary Flight Control Center, I think this should be a consideration of how many people are being exposed to his name and will want access to his story. So to say he does not have historical significance is not accurate. WiKi may be their first stop in finding out about him. Please reconsider. VE23BlackKnights (talk) 15:28, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Midway History". USS Midway Museum. Retrieved 2024-02-09.

First, I would like to ask that, in order to keep our conversations chronological, all future comments be added to the bottom of the page. Second, I understand that the USS Midway Museum is a popular attraction. Lots of people walk through, and there they see some writing on a board. I think the likelihood that any of them take the time to note what the writing says, or would remember it 5 minutes later on exit from the museum, is quite low. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 15:44, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the response.

What the Military History Pr...? Will that be a better fit? Thank you. VE23BlackKnights (talk) 20:22, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@VE23BlackKnights: I've made the request at WT:WikiProject Military history, and pinged you on the request, so your notifications should lead you to the discussion, should you choose to join in. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 20:56, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much. VE23BlackKnights (talk) 21:00, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I want to mention again that David Christian's mission is permanently on the Launch Status board at the USS Midway in their flight control center. You can verify this fact by contacting the research department at the USS Midway or contacting researcher: Laurent Reinhardt or Philip Eakin. They will verify the significance of his contribution to the USS Midway's history. 10,000 if not 100,000 of people will see his name on the mission board and want to know what his story is. Also MSN (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/i-hope-he-was-not-a-pow-but-vietnam-vet-s-midstate-cousin-finds-evidence-he-survived-being-shot-down/ar-BB1hP3k6#) and Yahoo News just ran a story on David Christian this week as well as ABC27 Harrisburg. Finally, he must be important enough if US Senator John Fetterman just launched a Congressional Inquiry into his records. How much more history do you need. People want to know about this story. And yes, their is conflicting information on his status and disappearance that is one of the reasons he is in the news. His records need to be looked at again and updated. Finally, his case number 0092-1-01 is full of documentation on the Library of Congress website. Also, when his remains were returned to the US, he was mentioned on national TV and was spoken about by President Ronald Regan. I don't have a source to back it up, but that was mentioned by his family. Additionally, there was a know USSR bounty put on pilots with certain technical training - the VA-23's squad book on page 107 says they had "nuclear weapons delivery capabilities" - and the CIA documents on the Library of Congress site show they kept looking for him for seven years past the time he was repatriated. I can give you direct link to those documents. His MIA case is one of the most complicated ones you will find. Also, in mid 90's Boris Yeltson told President Bush they had about a dozen of our pilots from Vietnam and handed over data on them. Article: By Daily Press | PUBLISHED: June 17, 1992. Article: Russia hands over data on five Americans captured in Vietnam to the US. Article: Some Vietnam POWs May Be Alive in Russia. David could have been one of them. So this is a very significant historical figure we are talking about. He flew about 60 missions before he disappeared. Additionally a DCS video gamer just ran a simulation of his mission on YouTube and referecned his whole account by name. This video recieved 15,000+ views in only 3 weeks time. Also, there is a probability of interest in this story by media now that it's out there for more to come. I can reply and provide more documentaion and write a better piece, but I struggle because I am not a professional writer, but please do not reject his story. I can improve it and provide better sources. It is definitely a significant story to US Navy History. VE23BlackKnights (talk) 13:43, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draft Article: Gerald Haythornthwaite

Hi,

Thanks for your feedback on the review of the above draft.

Fair comments, regarding recognition - I have noticed there is a lot of conflicting information out there.

Even on Wikipedia itself (i.e. Friends of the Peak District v Peak District Boundary Walk) or on the local branch CPRE (PDSY) website itself (Our History v Peak District Boundary Walk). Even articles on the national CPRE site disagrees with local branch statements. Confusing.

I'll reach out and find out precisely what he contributed and is responsible for individually (as well as more on his army background). Once I know I will clean up / report those internal and external sources. Already have other independent sources but thought the most impactful stuff would be from the charities - will remove some of them.

I'll also enquire about what his CBE award and why it was so significant and yet his wife was only awarded a MBE for her work (maybe a sign of the times, who knows).

Thanks again. Son Gokū Magia (talk) 11:45, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm.... More conflicting information again, found another independent article that linked to something on the CPRE PDSY website that contradicted who the actual founder of the charity was.

This one also states both were the founders, the list is growing... Son Gokū Magia (talk) 16:25, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@WikiDan61: Got some information back. Have started to update Ethel Haythornthwaite's page to separate Gerald's work and impact (where possible).

Don't suppose you know if there is a generic timeline template? Plotting achievements/events against dates. Thanks. Son Gokū Magia (talk) 07:28, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Son Gokū Magia: There is a Wiki markup feature for timelines. See Help:EasyTimeline syntax. Don't be fooled by the name: there is nothing easy about this syntax. For an example of the output, look at Canadian Brass#Timeline. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 12:52, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@WikiDan61: Thanks for the help and signposting. You weren't kidding, had a nosebleed trying to understand it. Son Gokū Magia (talk) 10:30, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@WikiDan61: Hi, quick question is YouTube a reliable source? Even if the content is from official organisations? So something like this video from the CPRE PDSY supports this article but contradicts this one on who the founder(s) of Friends of the Peak District was. Thoughts?

And staying on the founders of Friends of the Peak District for a moment what about archive (wayback machine) links? Like this one or this one. Acceptable or not? Thanks. Son Gokū Magia (talk) 11:32, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@WikiDan61: Hi (again), and the question about the founders of the CPRE PDSY? This article is from the Chair, Julie Parry, of the CPRE PDSY posted on the national CPRE website that states:

"This is an ongoing project to document and preserve the plethora of archive material left by Gerald and Ethel Haythornthwaite, the founders of CPRE PDSY and key figures in the national CPRE movement."

Incidentally, this source was cited in my original draft I noticed (almost full circle again).

So here's my dilemma, if the same website has two competing and conflicting messages which one do you believe? Which one, as noted in your rejection reason, would you rely on?

Apart from the nosebleed you can probably guess I've been banging my head against the wall too. Please help. Son Gokū Magia (talk) 11:47, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:LTJG David Marion Christian

I want to mention again that David Christian's mission is permanently on the Launch Status board at the USS Midway in their flight control center. You can verify this fact by contacting the research department at the USS Midway or contacting researcher: Laurent Reinhardt or Philip Eakin. They will verify the significance of his contribution to the USS Midway's history. 10,000 if not 100,000 of people will see his name on the mission board and want to know what his story is. Also MSN (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/i-hope-he-was-not-a-pow-but-vietnam-vet-s-midstate-cousin-finds-evidence-he-survived-being-shot-down/ar-BB1hP3k6#) and Yahoo News just ran a story on David Christian this week as well as ABC27 Harrisburg. Finally, he must be important enough if US Senator John Fetterman just launched a Congressional Inquiry into his records. How much more history do you need. People want to know about this story. And yes, their is conflicting information on his status and disappearance that is one of the reasons he is in the news. His records need to be looked at again and updated. Finally, his case number 0092-1-01 is full of documentation on the Library of Congress website. Also, when his remains were returned to the US, he was mentioned on national TV and was spoken about by President Ronald Regan. I don't have a source to back it up, but that was mentioned by his family. Additionally, there was a know USSR bounty put on pilots with certain technical training - the VA-23's squad book on page 107 says they had "nuclear weapons delivery capabilities" - and the CIA documents on the Library of Congress site show they kept looking for him for seven years past the time he was repatriated. I can give you direct link to those documents. His MIA case is one of the most complicated ones you will find. Also, in mid 90's Boris Yeltson told President Bush they had about a dozen of our pilots from Vietnam and handed over data on them. Article: By Daily Press | PUBLISHED: June 17, 1992. Article: Russia hands over data on five Americans captured in Vietnam to the US. Article: Some Vietnam POWs May Be Alive in Russia. David could have been one of them. So this is a very significant historical figure we are talking about. He flew about 60 missions before he disappeared. Additionally a DCS video gamer just ran a simulation of his mission on YouTube and referecned his whole account by name. This video recieved 15,000+ views in only 3 weeks time. Also, there is a probability of interest in this story by media now that it's out there for more to come. I can reply and provide more documentaion and write a better piece, but I struggle because I am not a professional writer, but please do not reject his story. I can improve it and provide better sources. It is definitely a significant story to US Navy History. VE23BlackKnights (talk) 13:43, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This comment was on the wrong article. Was suppose to be on the LTJG David Marion Christian piece. Sorry. VE23BlackKnights (talk) 13:47, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I will address my thoughts regarding your draft:

David Christian's mission is permanently on the Launch Status board at the USS Midway museum
That could be just a coincidence. Something has to be there, but there's no documentation stating why they chose this particular bit of content for the display.
His story has been covered by newspapers.
True, but this is true of many MIA soldiers and sailors as their loved ones reach out to media to keep their memories alive. I don't consider this significant coverage (but I get that others may disagree, which is why I reached out to the WikiProject that would have expertise for this field).
He might have been captured by the Russians.
That appears to be supposition not backed by reliable sources.
His mission was the subject of a YouTube video.
This is not a reliable source for anything.

Fear not. You have all the time in the world to improve your draft. Drafts may be resubmitted as often as you like (but don't just resubmit to get a different opinion; editors will expect to see improvements addressing the expressed concerns or will likely decline again). WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 14:45, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OK, sorry for posting in the wrong section. I'm new at this. Also, dorry, I did not see your resubmitted instruction (and already did) very sorry about that and will not do that again. Further it's hard to judge tone in messages, so I want to explain I only have respect for you and truly mean nothing harsh, and don't take any of your comments personally, and understand that you are trying to hold everything to the highest standards for Wiki. Take care. Understand all your comments here. Thank you for your time. I will work on the article a little more and will try to get more sources and more significance and will remove the details you site as problematic. Will try again. Thank you for your input. VE23BlackKnights (talk) 15:55, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If the story was verbatim from the write ups that the USS Midway Museum is working on right now, as well as the Library of Congress and the NAVY's MIA board site, and the facts taken directly from his investigation listed on the Library of Congress site, and a statement from the Midway detailing their reasons for including his mission on the Pri Fly board be more persuasive? I don't want to do more work if you say, no that would not be enough -- Let me know what you think. Thank you. VE23BlackKnights (talk) 16:09, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@VE23BlackKnights: If there is a page on the USS Midway Museum site that mentions Christian and the reason that his particular mission is the one listed on their board, that would be helpful. The fact that the LoC and the Navy's MIA board have information about this investigation is not especially notable: they store information about every such investigation. Nothing you've indicated so far shows me that Christian was not just another of the thousands of POW MIA soldiers and sailors from the Vietnam War. His case is well-documented, but does not (to me) appear notable. I don't think your going to change my mind, so I suggest rather that you seek help from WP:WikiProject Military history. They may better be able to assess the situation, and give you pointers on how to improve your draft. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 16:25, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@VE23BlackKnights: PS: I appreciate your dedication to this cause, but you've mentioned on a couple of occasions that you have been in personal contact with Christian's family regarding this matter. Perhaps you are too close to the issue to deal with it dispassionately? WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 16:27, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No worries, appreciate the mention. Good luck with yours (sounds fascinating), we're all learning. Son Gokū Magia (talk) 16:27, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just to clarify. His family had been interviewed by many news outlets, and made many comments. My references are based on those interviews, and that I have been directly in touch with the officer in charge of his rescue mission, who knew him and relayed personal information that regarded his family, mother and other information about what the family that they have been told, believed and been through. Just wanted to clarify that. But, as I'm learning... Wikipeida requires better sources than hear say. I am learning a lot. I'm starting to understand, and respect those requirements. I'm only responding to clarify. Also to let you know that I'm going to abandon my attempt to add him to Wikipedia. After reviewing your comments, I see his contribution just is not significant enough to warrant it. And I'm learning that I'm not a good enough researcher/writer to have probably attempted such an ambitious article. Very sorry and thanks for what you have shared, and taught me. Respectfully submitted. Take care. VE23BlackKnights (talk) 13:49, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@VE23BlackKnights: You replied to me and not @WikiDan61. I've probably made things worse by saying anything. I'll show myself out. Son Gokū Magia (talk) 08:10, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Question about Barbara Nanning

Dear WikiDan61,

I noticed that my contribution to the Barbara Nanning page was made undone. Would you mind inform me what I did wrong, and if there is a chance it's turned back?

Thanks, Karlijn Krlndj (talk) 08:24, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Krlndj: None of the material you added referenced any sources. All material at Wikipedia is required to be verifiable by citations to reliable sources. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 12:44, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for you reply. Is it possible to place my updates and alterations back, so I can add the references? Krlndj (talk) 12:54, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Krlndj: Your version still exists in the edit history; you are free to retrieve it and add the needed citations. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 12:56, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Krlndj: So, you've restored your version, still without citations. Why should I not just revert this again? WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 18:40, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am sorry, I was working on it. I am new to this and just trying to find my way, please forgive me for mistakes I am sure I will make. I am doing my best! Krlndj (talk) 19:16, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you are actively updating the article, then you should place the {{in use}} template on the article. If, on the other hand, you are planning to leave the article in its current state while you go spend a few days (or weeks) to find sources to support the information, it would be better to revert to the prior version. You can develop your version in your own user space (for example, at User:Krlndj/Barbara Nanning). Material in your userspace does not need to meet verification requirements, so you can spend as much time as possible developing your sources. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 19:21, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok that's clear, thank you. Krlndj (talk) 19:26, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Krlndj: I note that you have added several sources, all produced by Nanning herself. Understand that these are primary sources, and Wikipedia considers these to be unreliable. Wikipedia is less interested in what a person has to say about herself and more interested in what other independent sources have said. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 19:24, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I understand the difficulty of that. But to be accurate, Nanning only was co-writer for the book from 2003. The book from 2019 was written by glass expert Titus Eliens, and the book from 1993 by Crommelin and Donker-Duyvis (Barbara Nanning is part of the title there). Krlndj (talk) 19:31, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Krlndj: You've listed four (of the six total) sources where Nanning is listed as author, co-author or co-editor. These are all considered primary sources. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 19:35, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I now see the ISBN numbers all put Nannings name as author. Does this mean that these sources are not good enough for the references (these are the basis on which much of my text is based) and my page is not accepted? Krlndj (talk) 19:41, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Krlndj: I'm not even looking at the ISBN numbers; I'm just looking at the citations as you listed them. But yes, if the only material you have available is from Nanning's own writings (or editings), then the article was better in its prior state. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 19:52, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's harsh. I will try to add information from other sources. Krlndj (talk) 19:57, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Krlndj: Yes, Wikipedia can be harder to contribute to than many realize. The rules here are trying to keep the information here as reliable as possible. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 20:23, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Getting Melissa Robbins article approved

Hi! I was hoping to get some clarity on why the article would be declined? I felt that there was rather significant sourcing from third-party and major local/national news outlets that would have shown the notability for the entry. Thanks! REF17 (talk) 20:05, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@REF17: I disagree with your assessment. It seems to me that the coverage of Robbins is the fairly typical local coverage that one might expect of any candidate for office and political activist. Most of the sources are not stories about her, but rather stories about other subjects where she has been quoted as a source. This does not count as significant coverage of her. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 11:32, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Dan! would love your advice on Loconomics

I submitted the article for Loconomics about a month back and was declined. I removed the LinkedIn links as recommended, and edited minor aspects. Would it also help to incorporate -

https://worldpece.org/sites/default/files/artifacts/media/pdf/ourstohackandown.pdf (page 87)

I'm also thinking if we change the citation for Danny Spitzberg's article from geo.coop to the actual printed version (https://www.stirtoaction.com/magazine-issues/issue-33) that may give it more diversity of sources?

Loconomics has a brief mention in the NYT as well - not sure how to weave it in: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/21/business/smallbusiness/a-new-wrinkle-in-the-gig-economy-workers-get-most-of-the-money.html

Would love your suggestions as this is my first post and I'm still learning :) I love the concept of platform cooperatives and hope to contribute in the way of Wikipedia. Please let me know what you think. Thank you! Jennyjiyeonkim (talk) 02:39, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jennyjiyeonkim: It still appears that most of the sources are either mentions-in-passing, or first person accounts (interviews with Loconomics' founders or their own writings). Even the article about the demise of the organization is written as an interview with the founder. Unless more significant independent coverage can be found, I can't see how this would qualify as a published Wikipedia article. The Ours to Hack and Own piece fits this mold: written by Loconomics themselves. And the New York Times piece is paywalled, so I can't evaluate it. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 11:42, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gotcha. Thanks so much for your feedback!! Jennyjiyeonkim (talk) 10:16, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Guild of Copy Editors 2023 Annual Report

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Editing 'Tunga'

Hi Dan, I am editing the page on the Brazilian artist Tunga, but it seems you are reverting our edits. What could be the problem? Thank you. Aguasdemarço123 (talk) 14:36, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Aguasdemarço123--sorry, but why are you speaking in the singular and the plural? Drmies (talk) 14:38, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I can't speak for WikiDan, but this, "His erudition and philosophical background were reflected in an increasingly conceptual artistic output, which involves the intersection with research in different knowledge fields and a dialogue with literature, philosophy, psychoanalysis, theatre, exact sciences and biology. His work is powerful, profound and self-referential, denies linear time and relies heavily on materiality, symbologies and processes of transformation and metamorphoses"--no. That's not how why write on Wikipedia, and nobody should write like that anywhere. Drmies (talk) 14:39, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Aguasdemarço123: Drmies has basically hit the nail on the head. Wikipedia strives for a neutral tone and your writing at Tunga (artist) has consistenly missed that mark. Please read the relevant guidelines, and try to keep your editing in the neutral, encyclopedic tone that Wikipedia needs. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 14:48, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New Pages Patrol newsletter April 2024

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Nordic Historical Review

Hi, I'm not very pleased by the changes you introduced in the mentioned article. You not only cancelled all the detailed publications/issues but also all the references that were meant to respond to the lack of information underlined in the banner. In addition, it took me quite a long time to find accurate information, which means that I did work for nothing trying to improve Wiki. I understand that you enjoy quite a high position as an official censor or so, but I would ge greatful if you'd accept to restore the previous page as I left it. Thanks in advance, Vanechka Vanechka32 (talk) 18:35, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Vanechka32: As I noted in my edit summary, I felt that the exhaustive list of published volumes was excessive. Wikipedia's purpose is not to act as this journal's website or repository. The citations that got deleted along with the list merely verified the existence of the volumes, they did not provide in-depth independent coverage of the journal itself, therefore they did not answer the notability concern expressed in the maintenance banner. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 11:44, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Artyom Alekseyevich

Hello! Please do not refuse me the publication of my article... This is very interesting information, a fascinating event in the life of the royal family of Russia... Most of the current representatives of the Romanovs have an article about themselves on Wikipedia, and the only descendant of Nicholas was ignored, is this fair? Marcello Vałe (talk) 19:15, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Marcello Vałe: Unfortunately, none of your sources are about Alekseyevich himself. They are all about his ancestors, or about the generic concept of "Blue Blood". Without reliable sources written about Alexseyevich himself, we cannot accept this draft for publication. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 19:19, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All misunderstandings have been corrected, additional information about popularity has been added Marcello Vałe (talk) 19:57, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) Far from it, the draft is getting worse, he may well have "popularity" but Wikipedia is not concerned with that, we require them to be notable. Theroadislong (talk) 20:02, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All sources of his celebrity are indicated there, he is as popular and famous as '''Grand Duchess Maria Vladimirovna of Russia''' Marcello Vałe (talk) 20:08, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Let's review the changes since I last declined this draft:

Added source [2], a link to an article by an author named Андреев Артем Алексеевич (perhaps your draft's subject, perhaps not, hard to tell) titled "Russian-Khiva relations at the end of the 17th - beginning of the 18th centuries. Declarative “Wool” or real citizenship?". Not sure how this gives us any information about your guy.
Added source "Complete list of noble families of the Russian Empire (titled and pillar nobility)". Again, nothing to do with your guy specifically.
A link to litres.ru: although I can't access the specific page, litres.ru appears to be a Russian book discussion forum, similar to Goodreads. Since I can't access the specific page (possibly due to employer-imposed internet restrictions) I can't evaluate the specific page, but it seems unlikely to provide any added indications of notability.
A link to vk.com, which I understand to be Russia's equivalent of Facebook and therefore of no real help to us as a reliable source.
A link to an article in Vogue describing the interaction of the Romanovs with the British royal family. Again, nothing specific here about your guy.

In short, you've added more links, but given us no more real, usable information about your guy. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 20:13, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've added some more information... Marcello Vałe (talk) 20:37, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please… Help me with article “Artyom Alekseyevich”

I added more information about this person. I ask you, give this article a chance to live. I found all the information about this man in the book “The Romanovs”, I also added a link. Wikipedia allows articles of this format. In addition to “popularity is not inherited,” there is a point about the individuality of the individual... his merits, scope of activity and public opinion about him. also, this is important information about a very influential person Marcello Vałe (talk) 04:41, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Marcello Vałe: How stupid do you think I am? You've added a link to an entry on "neobook.com" which is just a copy of this draft. Please stop wasting my time. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 11:26, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

thanks for feedback on the Wall of Legality page

Hello, I am not fully sure how to what would make a page notable ? I think street art projects are helpful to bring aspects of city or region to public attention. I can find scientific references that show art projects can help preventing crime. Bitdiver (talk) 20:33, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Bitdiver: You'll need to find independent source that talk about this specific street art project. Has it been covered in the press. On TV? WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 21:11, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question on links to open-access books

Hi WikiDan61, I write about your helpful review of the changes to the Torkel Opsahl Academic EPublisher page. I studied more and understood the wrong list of links. That said and agreed, these are stable links to fully open-access resources (the PDF file directly, for example) and are not under those which should be avoided. I understand that the policy allows for such links to be added in footnotes, but I wanted to confirm with an experienced editor before doing so. Thank you. AAngotti01 (talk) 10:16, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What follows is my opinion, not a statement of Wikipedia policy. You have listed a number of books published by TOAEP, and have provided a link to their website. I believe that is sufficient for any interested reader to access the material published by TOAEP. Linking to the individual publications as part of a citation for that publication would be excessive and unnecessary. Such excessive linking is often used as a search engine optimization strategy, as search engines give higher priority to sites that have more in-links, but that does not work with Wikipedia since Wikipedia expressly codes their pages to cause search engines not to count links as in-links to other sites. I'm not claiming that you are engaged in an SEO strategy, but excessive linking can be seen as an attempt at that and will be reverted anyway. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 11:55, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@AAngotti01: Realized I forgot to ping you in this reply. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 12:08, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Guild of Copy Editors April 2024 Newsletter

Guild of Copy Editors April 2024 Newsletter

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Christianity in Iraq

Hello Dan! I saw the warring on the Christianity in Iraq page and came here to thank you with your patience in the talk section. I’ve currently edited the page to include a disputed neutrality template to create a middle ground until the consensus is achieved. Whilst I see the section as definitely biased with Aboona having a perspective which promotes Assyrian continuity theory, I don’t believe merely finger pointing is good for wikipedia (naturally!). Thus for now I will try to conduct my research whilst not straying too far from my university assignments.

Once again, I appreciate your pateince! Volkish Kurden (talk) 22:13, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Volkish Kurden: I appreciate your input. I'm no historian and don't really have an opinion one way or the other. I just didn't want a single user deciding that sourced material was trash without at least a discussion of the matter. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 11:34, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jeff Schiefelbein

Hi @WikiDan61, I am the author of the Jeff Schiefelbein page you reviewed. The error stated Schiefelbein does not have adequate coverage to allow for an article on Wikipedia. Please be specific in your requirements. The Schiefelbein article meets and exceeds most articles on Wikipedia for biographies of living people. I have personally heard Schiefelbein speak and he is certainly deserving of some recognition on this platform as he has a well rounded platform in various subject matters and areas. Patrickdelagarza (talk) 20:04, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Patrickdelagarza: I disagree with your assessment that Schiefelbein has received adequate coverage. The citations you have provided indicate that he started a program at Texas A&M, for which he received some recognition from the state governor. Laudable, but not notable. The remainder of the article is sourced to various websites of entities directly related to Schiefelbein, so they cannot be considered independent coverage (and are often little less than a notice that he serves on this or that board). WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 21:04, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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A barnstar for you!

	The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
	I call correction kindness and thus, a big one for that case. This award is for you because of your act of kindness towards my edits; in minor corrections and advice. Few like you exists and thanks. Please continue! Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 14:06, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Edit to John Sirica Page

Here is some additional information on the Adler reference. It really shouldnt be included in the bio. Nothing she said has been substantiated and while referenced in the note it gives the appearance that is may be true. It is not true. She alluded to that in this article, https://www.salon.com/2000/08/21/adler_2/

I would recommend removing the section

Thank you JCC322 (talk) 13:17, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@JCC322: Adler substantiated her claims in her Harper's article, and I disagree with you that her Salon interview alludes to any untruth. You are free to bring up this topic at Talk:John Sirica to involve a wider audience and get consensus. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 14:28, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry It has taken me so long to follow up. The reference to Adler should be removed, It is a one off opinion that has never been substantiated. On April 3, 2000 Felicity Barringer wrote an article in the New York Times that refutes all of it. I don't have an account on NYT, but I do have a PDF of the article that I can send you.

Additionally, the June 22 CNN 4 part docuseries called Watergate: Blueprint for a Scandal

has photographs, sketches, footage, and a number of praises of John Sirica’s role as Watergate judge in parts 2, 3, and 4. (Directed/Produced by Herzog & Co.)

Thanks for your consideration 99.10.229.60 (talk) 18:08, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@99.10.229.60 and JCC322: As I mentioned back in May, any further discussion of this matter must occur at Talk:John Sirica. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 18:34, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done..thanks JCC322 (talk) 13:23, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

new page for Paulina Villarreal Vélez

Hi WikiDan61 (talk · contribs)

In you comment you pointed out that Paulina is not notable on her own. I've now added an Awards section, where her individually won awards are listed, she received them as a drummer/infuencer not as a band member. Moreover I've mentioned her masterclass presentation as a composer and her new activity as a director.

I hope these edits will solve the issue. Thank you. Attis42 (talk) 10:16, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User Name change

Thank you for your insight. I am happy to change my user name. Not sure how to accomplish that. Do you have a link that will enable me to do this? Appreciate your help. PetlandComm (talk) 15:09, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@PetlandComm: See WP:CHU. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 16:14, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for reverting your edit fam

The revert is on Kosovo national stadium they have no prof of copyright Itsbn007 (talk) 13:56, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

About Joe Donnelly

Hey, WikiDan I just wanted to talk to you about one of the reasons why the Article was denied. Though taking a second look at my article, all the criticisms and problems you had pointed out were very reasonable and true. In fact, I realized I'd forgotten to put a very important source to my research for the references. There was one reason however I would like to point out. That being, I'm in no way related to the individual at hand. I know some parts in the article sound like I'm meat-riding the guy. I just wanted to give some context on why I decided to make the acticle in the first place. I live in a small Canadian town and a while ago I went into my local used book store, and I saw one of Joe Donnelly's books. I wanted to know a little more about the guy so I looked him up online, and found bearly anything. And I thought of how sad it was that this guy didn't have any information about himself out there. So I got an Idea in my head. Why not make a Wikipedia article on this guy, so that all the information about him could be in one spot? So yeah that's all I had to say. For the other reasons, I’ll try to clean it up and bring it up to standards. David Bach (talk). 18:56, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@David smoothmove: I was not the editor who thought you had a connection to Joe Donnelly; you'll have to talk to Jimfbleak about that. I declined your draft (twice) because none of the sources appear to be things written independently about Donnelly. Instead, they all appear to be his own website, books, or author profiles that he has written himself. As you mention, you tried to look for information and didn't find any. That's generally a good sign that the person probably doesn't qualify for a Wikipedia article.

PS: users generally create usernames for themselves that hide their personal identity. Using the 4 tildes (~~~~ to sign your posts will automatically generate a signature with your username, not your real-life name. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 19:57, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@WikiDan61Oh I’m sorry about that. It was a simple misunderstanding, and are you talking about things like reviews about his work, stuff like that? That’s easy to find. I was just looking for personal information. But thank you so much for telling me this. Side note: don’t worry that’s not my real name. 2605:8D80:660:86D7:14B4:9A7C:C67E:4BAA (talk) 20:54, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks WikiDan61. @David smoothmove:, not reviews, what people think of his work isn't a criterion for notability. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 05:15, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, so what would classify as something notable for an author? 142.127.4.185 (talk) 15:24, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@David smoothmove and 142.127.4.185: Please refer to WP:NAUTHOR. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 16:42, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh I see now. Thank you 2605:8D80:6E5:887F:4DC:672C:FC2B:4041 (talk) 16:49, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the feedback!

Dear WikiDan61: thanks for your input and feedback. I agree with what you wrote. A few things:

I wrote the first submission
I wanted to update it and make it along the lines of official Wikipedia-blessed disease entry
I guess it needs to be reformatted for that? I'm not sure quite how to do that.
I am definitely planning on adding more citations including many from other scientists (i.e., not my papers)
I also want to add a few more figures but I've been blocked on that

Thanks, Pete Nelson Pete Nelson from UKY (talk) 14:40, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Pete Nelson from UKY: I would recommend working on the update in your own workspace (User:Pete Nelson from UKY/sandbox or User:Pete Nelson from UKY/LATE). Once you have the content updated, with all the citations properly in place, then you can update the existing article. As for figures, if you're trying to add images from copyrighted sources, that's obviously going to be a problem. It's unlikely any of the relevant figures have been released under a compatible CC license. I'm not sure how to help you resolve that. My suggestion to contact WP:WikiProject Medicine still stands -- they will probably know how to help you resolve these issues. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 14:48, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi WikiDan61.

Thanks again for the feedback.

None of the figures are under any CC license.

I don't know how to work on the update, I was thinking of adding the citations and whatnot piecemeal. Could you help me to do that?

Maybe it's not worth it, I can just let it drop and leave it as-is, i.e. not a great Wikipedia page but serviceable. Pete Nelson from UKY (talk) 14:51, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Pete Nelson from UKY: It's unlikely other editors will allow you to make such extensive edits without proper sourcing, even if you plan to add the sourcing later. That's why I suggest that you use your sandbox or a private subpage. Your version of the article text is still in the page history. Look through the history, open the page as last edited by you, copy that texttext to a user subpage (one of the two I recommended above) an then make your updates there. Take as long as you need to gather all your sources. Once you have all the sources in place, you can then copy your revised text into the live article. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 18:08, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, thanks. Makes sense. I'm off for a work trip now, will see if I can figure out how to do the edits off-line as you suggest, will see if I can attend to this next week.

Cheers,

Pete Pete Nelson from UKY (talk) 18:11, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi WikiDan61, is the LATE-related wiki page getting better? I'm happy to cleave it down as need be. Pete Nelson from UKY (talk) 19:51, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

p.s. I'm definitely not doing a review article or original research, but for this disease there shold be a Wikipedia page for a general audience. Pete Nelson from UKY (talk) 19:52, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Pete Nelson from UKY: I've created User:WikiDan61/LATE; feel free to edit it there, and I can help if you'd like. I started by cleaning up some of the formatting issues. I note that you had a lot of parenthetical citations ("(19)"), but these don't work at Wikipedia. You'll have to work on creating citations using Wikipedia syntax. I will also comment that I don't believe your article will pass muster at Wikipedia. It appears that you have written what is essentially a journal article in which you review the current state of knowledge about LATE, but Wikipedia is not a journal, and such a review would constitute original research. You are clearly a recognized expert in the field of studying this condition, so you should be able to submit such an article to an actual journal for publication. We could then cite that published article in any updates to the Wikipedia article. I will also note that your article is excessively verbose and repetitive; if we're going to get it published, we'll have to work on that. (I've added several comments in my userspace version where this is especially problematic.)

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Request to Rename Wikipedia Page - Jos Alukkas & Sons

Dear Wikipedia Editors, I am writing to request a rename of the Wikipedia page currently titled "Jos Alukkas & Sons" to "Jos Alukkas." Our company's registered brand name is "Jos Alukkas," and we have recently standardized our branding across all platforms to reflect this. The existing Wikipedia page, established 11 years ago, uses the older "Jos Alukkas & Sons" title. To avoid confusion and maintain consistency with our current branding, we believe renaming the page to "Jos Alukkas" would be more accurate and user-friendly for the public. We understand the process for renaming pages might involve certain guidelines. We are happy to follow those guidelines and provide any necessary information to facilitate this change. Additionally, we have created a new page titled "Jos Alukkas" and implemented a redirect from the old "Jos Alukkas & Sons" page to the new one. This ensures users searching for either term will land on the correct information. Thank you for your time and consideration. We appreciate your help in keeping Wikipedia's information accurate and up-to-date.

Sincerely, Deepu Antony Brand Manager - Jos Alukkas Deepu3584 (talk) 12:40, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Depu3684: Due to your conflict of interest, you should avoid editing either Jos Alukkas & Sons or Jos Alukkas directly. However, I agree with your move rationale. Because there is already a page at Jos Alukkas, I'll have to go through a technical move request. Keep an eye out to see how things proceed. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 12:42, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Depu3684: It's now taken care of. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 16:41, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Review timings

I find it interesting that an article I am working on was looked at by three different editors during the first 10 days with suggestions, all of which I heeded diligently, but I have heard nothing since. You were one of the people who looked it over and I am wondering if it might be looked at again for suggestions for improvement. Your help is appreciated. Beingherenow2 (talk) 23:25, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Beingherenow2: Articles for Creation review is an odd process. When other areas that I work on get slow, sometimes I review new drafts. But I don't put them on my watchlist, so I don't necessarily see when the drafts have been updated. I'll be glad to take a new look at your draft. It might not happen tonight, but I'll try to get to it this weekend. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 00:55, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, thank you! Another quick question: how can I change who my "mentor" is? I was assigned someone who has never responded to me or interacted with me in any way. Can YOU be my mentor? You replied in a caring way and I appreciate it. I want to get better at this so I can help out! Beingherenow2 (talk) 21:30, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Beinghernow2: I can't be your mentor since my availability to edit here is very fractured. How did you get assigned to a mentor in the first place? If your mentor is not living up to their responsibility, I would recommend you go to whatever process got you assigned in the first place and ask for a new mentor. Mentors are supposed to take their responsibilities very seriously; I'm sorry yours has dropped the ball on this. That said, I will try to get to reviewing your article for creation within the next couple of days. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 23:56, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rename Broken Arrow murders to 2015 Broken Arrow murders

ive started a discussion about it in the talk page if you want to participate 197.147.155.67 (talk) 09:28, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That was evil

You shalln't request the suicide page to be deleted 70.109.151.215 (talk) 19:12, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@70.109.151.215: I shall and I have. If you don't believe the article should be deleted, please address the matter at the linked AFD discussion. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 19:14, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You're an evil person and supporter of the suicide.

You laughed at her death 70.109.151.215 (talk) 19:17, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@70.109.151.215: I did not laugh. As I noted at the AFD discussion, her suicide was a tragedy. Just not a notable tragedy, worthy of coverage at Wikipedia. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 19:19, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is a notable tragedy. It's all over TikTok, YouTube Shorts, and even the bullies continued to bully her even after her death 70.109.151.215 (talk) 19:20, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@70.109.151.215: If you disagree with my assessment, you are free to make your thoughts known at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Suicide of Aubreigh Wyatt. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 19:22, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

James Frye edits in-progress

Good afternoon... I was editing a page, adding citations and the biography when it was all deleted with your commend "these links do not appear to work".... but why also delete everything? I am still working on it and now have to re-type everything you deleted. Cites are in-progress ; I'm new to this. AB.LV.SOC (talk) 18:07, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@AB.LV.SOC: I specifically reverted your editing because the links led me to a casino site in Georgia (I think; I couldn't really recognize the language that well). That seemed more malicious than a simple mistake. As for re-typing, you should learn about page histories; the text you typed is available in the page history and you can edit the older page, copy the text and paste it back. However, I don't think it's worth your while. You've added a bunch of references to vital records and genealogy sites without actually using the information from those references to expand the article. Vital records searches are considered a form of original research; we prefer secondary sources in which historians have checked these sources against other available information to publish in reliable sources. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 18:34, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Paula Panda Lain (08:24, 8 August 2024)

@WikiDan61: hiya, I am in awe of you guys in knowing how to add content - I'm so green to this, am getting confused (especially as I am not a coder) - I saw you had removed some of the movement marketing content I added - but I am not sure exactly why, as I thought I had verified the source? please can you guide me. I added a citation that was missing linked to StrawberryFrog - is that not correct as its their original content?.

Also the report analysis from Deloitte was a study made by them on the topic, which I also cited. Thank you so much here - I have so much to add to this particular subject to help users understand the difference between this style of marketing and others ( just excited to get it right!) . --Paula Panda Lain (talk) 08:24, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Paula Panda Lain: Paula, I've moved your comment to my user talk page -- no point cluttering up someone else's page with our conversation. As to why I removed your movement marketing content, my edit summary was clear, if somewhat concise: it was a copyright violation. You may not copy text verbatim from other websites to include at Wikipedia. Doing so violates the copyrights of the original publisher. I added a note to your user talk page to explain this. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 11:50, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

West Covina Wikipedia page

On 8/7 I added to the West Covina Wikipedia page 4 books that were recently published by the Historical Society of West Covina, about our city's history. You removed those indicating "these books do not appear notable enough to merit mention here." Our city has been around for 101 years and during that time 4, and only 4 books, have been written about our city's history - these 4 books. Please advise me and the Board of Historical Society about to proceed to allow those books and that historic milestone of their publishing to be recognized on the Wikipedia page about our city. Thank you. Wiskeytango (talk) 21:03, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, small towns often commission books about their history. I have in my library a book that my own hometown commissioned to be written. That does not make the books notable, or necessarily very valuable resources. And, unfortunately, the Historical Society of West Covina does not get the sole decision on what material appears in the Wikipedia article about the community. Since you and I disagree about the matter, I suggest you address your concerns to Talk:West Covina and see if you can get other editors to join in a consensus that the information about the books should be included. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 23:40, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The books were not commissioned. The books were researched and written by long-time residents of West Covina. The first two books were written by a 46-year resident of the city. The third book was written by a 93-year resident of West Covina (born and raised). The fourth book was written by a 35-year resident.

We'll use the fourth book as an example. It is about the largest toxic hazardous waste landfill in the state of California. The largest one, in the entire state...in a state that has 3,254 closed landfills...more closed landfills that any other state in the Union. Is that noteworthy? That largest landfill is in the city of West Covina and to this day substantially impacts the city.

Please note that the Wikipedia entry that we drafted about these history books...is in the "History" section of the Wikipedia page for our History. It is "notable" that only 4 books exists about the history of West Covina. Wiskeytango (talk) 14:34, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Board of the Historical Society did want to make another appeal to you:

1. The current West Covina Wikipedia page states, “West Covina was incorporated as an independent city in 1923 to prevent the city of Covina from building a sewage farm in the area. Benjamin Maxon Jr. (1897-1928) initiated the incorporation process and was the first mayor.” The first book that you removed from our Wikipedia addition is titled “Benjamin Maxon and Family, City Founder and First Mayor.” This book, as its title implies, is about Benjamin Maxon and the founding of West Covina. Why can’t we reference this book and let Wikipedia readers know additional, detailed information about Mr. Maxon and the founding of West Covina is available?

2. The current West Covina Wikipedia page states, “The population in 1930 was 769 and blossomed to 1,549 in 1940. As a result of remarkable expansion during the post–World War II building boom, West Covina became one of the fastest-growing U.S. cities between 1950 and 1960, experiencing a growth in population of 1,025.69%, going from less than 5,000 to more than 50,000 citizens.” The second book that you removed from our Wikipedia addition is titled, “West Covina Transformation From An Agricultural Community To A Suburban City.” This book discusses, in depth the post-Wolrd War II building boom. Why can’t we reference this book and let Wikipedia readers know additional, detailed information about West Covina’s explosive growth is available?

3. The current West Covina Wikipedia page states, “The decades 1960 and 2000 demonstrated steady growth for West Covina, which had slowed significantly by the time of the 2010 census.” The third book that you removed from the Historical Society’s Wikipedia addition is titled, “Remembrances of West Covina”. This book compares and contrasts the West Covina of today with how is was and looked over time since past. What can’t we reference this booke and let Wikipedia readers know additional information about West Covina’s change over time is available?

4. The current West Covina Wikipedia page states, “A 2020 ranking of the fiscal health of California cities issued by State Auditor Elaine Howle's office placed West Covina as the ninth-worst in the state. The city was also audited by the state the same year, as the state auditor had determined that the city's poor finances put it at high risk for default.” The fourth book that you removed from our additional to our Wikipedia addition is titled, “The Strange Saga of California’Largest Toxic Landfill.” This book explains not only the history of this landfill, but why it continues to be a huge financial drain on the city…and one of key reasons the city remains in such poor financial health. Why can’t we reference this book and let Wikipeida readers know additional detailed information about West Covina’s financial health is available.

Thank you for allowing us to connect these dots for you.

As historians, educators, and readers we believe Wikipedia should be more than a series of 1 sentenace sound bites.

Will you please allow the West Covina Wikipedia page to include the fact that books exist which provide the history associated with matters already referenced . We are not asking these books be described. If you’ll recall, our Wikipedia entry simply stated four books exist about the history for West Covina and these are there titles.

Can you please allow our Wikipedia addition to exist? Wiskeytango (talk) 15:51, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest you take up the matter at Talk:West Covina and see if you can build consensus for the addition. I do not believe information about the books adds any useful information to the article, save to advertise the books themselves, but others may disagree with me. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 16:45, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Have you read, or in any manner reviewed the books? Wiskeytango (talk) 13:20, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Wiskeytango: Last time: take it up on Talk:West Covina. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 15:48, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong diff

Very glad you retrieved your towel. I think your diff copypasta went wrong.[3] 🙂 Cambial — foliar❧ 15:24, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Cambial Yellowing: Thanks for the heads up. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 15:38, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Precious anniversary

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:37, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New pages patrol September 2024 Backlog drive

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Ryder updates

Hello,

I'm making updates to the Ryder page and sourcing them. It keeps getting reverted back to information from 2019. The sources and info I'm using is from 2023 and 2024. Wondering why reverted them? Mike.dill01 (talk) 21:09, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Mike.dill01: This edit to Ryder was full of promotional language, and the new information was sourced largely to Ryder's own website. We are less interested in what Ryder has to say about itself, and more interested in what reliable sources have to say about the company. Since it appears that you might have a conflict of interest regarding the topic, I recommend that you stop editing the article, but instead make edit requests at Talk:Ryder instead. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 21:39, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for this. I'm new here, I did update the financials and used bloomberg and yahoo. Yes I did use the company website because of a press release, but that was a learning mistake as I'm new to editing. I'm going to take this advice and appreciate your help. Mike.dill01 (talk) 21:48, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

== Disputes re Todar Mal

Dispute on Todar Mal

Abu'l-Fazl ibn Mubarak was a court historian and advisor to Mughal Emperor Akbar. Ain-i-Akbari was written by him. How it is not reliable source? 2193ss (talk) 13:20, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@2193ss: Please read Wikipedia's guidelines on reliable sources. Primary sources (such as the 16th century court historian) are not considered reliable because the historian may have had motives other than object reporting of facts. (Court historians are noted for bending history to please their patrons.) Modern historical scholars are trained to read multiple sources to arrive at better conclusions. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 13:30, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikidan61 even his inscription from kashi has been found where he is calling himself tandon khatri

Why you want to distort history ?

Every contemporary source is calling him khatri but still u r not ready to edit the page?

Plz edit the page and write he was khatri remove bania and kayastha

Thanks Vanshhh2891 (talk) 13:52, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Vanshhh2891: Take this dispute to Talk:Todar Mal. You'll achieve nothing arguing here. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 13:55, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

U r replying same shit again and again in talk as well

What do u want?

Contemporary sources has no value? Don't u know how history works?

Even modern scholars,his own inscription are proving he was khatri

Kindly edit the page and remove kayastha and bania Vanshhh2891 (talk) 13:59, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So 16th century court historian, his biography, inscriptions are not contemporary source but a historian wrote about him in 20th- 21st century is valid? 2193ss (talk) 14:25, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@2193ss: Yes. I'm glad you understand now. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 15:17, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi wikidan61 I want you to edit raja todarmal page where it is written he was either agarwal bania or kayastha or khatri . Can u please remove kayastha and agarwal bania from that page because all contemporary source including ain I akbari,akbarnama even a book written under his guidance "todarnanda" call him khatri of tandon clan ==

I want you to edit raja todarmal page where it is written he was either agarwal bania or kayastha or khatri . Can u please remove kayastha and agarwal bania from that page because all contemporary source including ain I akbari,akbarnama even a book written under his guidance "todarnanda" call him khatri of tandon clan 122.187.117.179 (talk) 13:26, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@122.187.117.179: See my reply above to 2193ss: modern scholarship is preferred to primary sources, so no, I will not remove the information. If you dispute it, take it up at the article talk page.

Conflict of interest

Hi there,

I recently made changes to the page for "Center for Media and Democracy" that were rejected. I'm hoping to draft new edits and run them by you -- would that be alright? If so, how do I do that?

Best,

Juliana Jbro53703 (talk) 13:58, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jbro53703: Because of your conflict of interest, you should not edit the page Center for Media and Democracy directly. Instead, you should make edit requests at Talk:Center for Media and Democracy, specifying what you would like to change, with reliable sources to verify the changes. You can notify me when you've edited the talk page with your requests; either I or another editor can assess the requests and make changes as appropriate. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 14:04, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Will do, thanks! Jbro53703 (talk) 14:15, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Graphic Cards

Re: Graphic cards I didn't see what was wrong with this. I agree with the bold. But could we not just have added additional citations and unbolded words rather than reverting 4 paragraphs of concise, factual information back to the original spurious content?? MrMarky1982 (talk) 10:06, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Per Wikipedia's verifiability policy, material that is unverified through reliable sources is subject to removal at any time. The material still exists in the page history; you can retrieve it, add the necessary sources, and then add it again. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 18:48, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Forgot to ping the questioner: @MrMarky1982: WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 18:49, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers for the reply @WikiDan61. Sorry about that. Still getting used to this messaging system. It's reminding of ICQ. MrMarky1982 (talk) 14:09, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your material in the Maharishi article

I support what you want to see retained in the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi article about his relations with various young women. I know some people object because many (in the West, at least) may feel his behaviour was inappropriate. I've arrived at a non-judgmental view.

I learned TM as well as other methods of meditation, and I utilize them, knowing that I benefit thereby. I regard MMY as a teacher & promoter of meditation. It's not my personal business whether or not he kept brahmachari vows.

The way I look at the situation is, yes he may have seduced many women. But, as far as I know, the sex was consensual and the women were of majority age. If it were established there were any instances where this was not the case, then I'd think there would be a rationale for oppprobrium—and that would certainly alter the relevant content. Otherwise, I can't understand grounds for complaints about retaining this section in the article.

Another source in support of the sexuality aspect is Paul Mason's biography of MMY. So my feeling is the TM organization(s) and followers of MMY should stay out of demanding that the facts be removed.Joel Russ (talk) 20:32, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Joel Russ: Per Wikipedia's neutrality policy, we don't engage in opprobrium here. We simply report the facts as we find them in reliable sources. However, the Maharishi's sexual activity is controversial because it directly contravened his own instruction given to his followers, and his actions involving Mia Farrow seemed anything but consensual. The material is a small part of the overall biography, and seems to have been given proper weight in the article. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 13:26, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Makes sense.Joel Russ (talk) 03:12, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alpha Kappa Alpha

I am an authorized member of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Incorporated to update this wikipedia page as it has a massive amount of inaccurate information. All of the information added will come directly from the international website, aka1908.com. Therefore, the citation of all updated information will come from there. Please advise, thanks. Communications1908 (talk) 16:54, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Communications1908: Two points here:

As an "member authorized to update this wikipedia page", you have a conflict of interest. You are recommended not to edit the page further. If you have issues with the content of the page, you may make edit requests at the article's talk page indicating what information you would like to see removed or changed, with reliable sources to indicate why you feel the information is wrong.
Your authorization does not include adding copyrighted information to Wikipedia.

WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 16:57, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sir Harold Parker

I am only about half way through, you will see there is a lot more to come. I disagree with some of your comments about the additions being trivial, in the UK the Permanent Secretary is the highest rank in the Civil Service and thus a comment from that position is in effect official government commentary, a bit like a Minister of State stating something. In fact anything stated has to be approved, thus comments made are important to pull together as it paints a record of what was going on at the highest echelons of UK government at that time. The biggest challenge i have is a large number of images as they are not online anywhere. DavidPolymath (talk) 22:58, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@DavidPolymath: The fact that Parker was Permanent Secretary was already covered in the article. The trivial part was everything else you added (pictured coming out of the plane with Field Marshal Earl Alexander, published a report, involved in commenting on the support of the West Africa Territories, ...). In other words, he did his job. There is nothing remarkable about any of these deeds other than the fact that someone captured a moment in a photo, or noted the event in a newspaper article. And his involvement in a private swimming club is also trivial. As Parker's grandson, your personal feelings about the subject may cloud your judgement about what is proper to include in the article. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 12:57, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, fair point but as a master source of data for people looking at history and historical facts the involvement in the west African issue is not important to most people but is those understanding the change in security in that region during that period. Are you saying wiki is only for really important things, as such half of what is there is not that important in my view. The fact he was involved in the Malaysian mutual defence treaty is not important to 99% of readers i agree, but it is part of recording the history of how they agreement came in place. I have put no feelings into this piece just 100% pure facts, the relative importance facts is debatable but as they are all references they are all reasonable. 82.2.190.85 (talk) 14:45, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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