Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aiona Santana

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. $Salvio giuliano$ 21:09, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Aiona Santana

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Previously PRODded for unambiguous advertising/promotion. I think it's the same now. Article is full of PR pseudonews articles, passing mentions and content that does not amount anywhere near passing GNG. Bedivere (talk) 18:30, 29 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Bedivere (talk) 18:30, 29 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Aiona participated in Miss Universe Canada 2019, with performances at subsequent galas. As for the musical field, she has been recognized twice by the Latin Awards Canada, the most relevant Latin music awards in this country. Aiona is currently one of the female performers representing Latin music in Canada.

In the discussion of the article in Spanish, also proposed by the user Bedivere, her argument is that she doubts the relevance of Aiona Santana because the media only mention her (which is not entirely true), and that where they do interview her, they are irrelevant media. She (@Bedivere) suggests that I use the media that exist on Wikipedia as a reference, and that they also talk more about the artist.

When arguing in these spaces, the article has a section next to it that contains books, news and other utilities that contribute to a better argument, therefore, I am sharing below what appears when searching for Aiona news, at least in more than five media from Canada, the United States, Venezuela, Colombia and Argentina.

Aiona news in the "News" link of Wikipedia -> https://www.google.com/search?tbm=nws&q=%22Aiona+Santana%22+-wikipedia&tbs=ar:1

I understand that Aiona is recognized in Canada, but there is no exclusive Wikipedia for this country, rather it is shared with the United States, England and other countries that use the English language, therefore, it seems coherent to me that this article is published where it belongs. Something similar happens to me when I write on the Spanish Wikipedia and the creators of Spain do not give much credit to what is relevant in Latin America, just because it is not well known in Spain.

I am grateful, and I hope that we can achieve the best for this article. ChuchoVCJMuzik (talk) 19:13, 29 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your penultimate paragraph is plain wrong Chucho. It does not matter where people are based or lived in, they should comply with the general notability guidelines. This person is not notable as a beauty pageant (she did not even get to the top 20 in Miss Universe Canada 2019, and that does not make her notable at all even if she were top 10); the Latin Awards Canada are of dubious notability and in fact the article reads like an advertisement; the remainder is your own opinion ("the most relevant..." etc.). Please provide proper sources to assess the otherwise lack of notability. You did point out a couple of sources in the Spanish Wikipedia but these were obvious public relations articles, obviously paid for, and were not even about the artist but the label. Bedivere (talk) 00:58, 30 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - The coverage is more than enough to meet WP:GNG. KatoKungLee (talk) 19:57, 29 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians, Women, Fashion, Beauty pageants, Canada, and Venezuela. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 21:06, 29 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm unsure how she passes GNG. Could you please elaborate? To me, sources are insufficient per the reasoning pointed out in my nomination. Bedivere (talk) 23:34, 29 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - The article uses a lot of prose to glorify her career so far, but it is mostly a repeat of the autobiography at her own promotional sites and social media feeds. She is not notable for getting to the middle levels of some beauty pageants. For her music career it is too soon for a Wikipedia article because she has not graduated beyond self-upload streaming services. For those above who are supporting the article, note that this is an encyclopedia in which someone must qualify for inclusion, and that requires reliable media coverage from robust sources. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:00, 30 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Just as a follow up to my previous remarks, I'm copying my comments at the nomination for deletion of Farandula Records, also a dubiously relevant label whose article was created by Checho. Here go my words:

The author of this article also seems to have a COI with the label, as they have also created the article for Aiona Santana (currently up for deletion) and also the Latin Music Awards (basically, IMO, a pay-to-win award ceremony which is also non-notable). The label has received coverage, but these articles mostly look like PR, paid-for articles. I'm beginning to think the author is being paid or strongly motivated to create these articles. Bedivere (talk) 05:47, 31 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There is a second account, RyanAfton, who has uploaded on Commons (see talk page) some of the images ChuchoVCJMuzik has used to illustrate these articles. Too much of a coincidence?

Chucho has created articles about people of dubious notability, some of which have been already deleted. For example, Rafael McGuire was nominated for deletion (see here) and it was pointed out "Sources appear to be puff pieces/paid PR". Same applies here. Bedivere (talk) 05:49, 31 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A third user, Guairahumber, has uploaded some obviously PR photos of artists related to Paisclo Solutions Corp (whose deleted article was also created by Chucho). Guaira uploaded on 19 February File:B Martin 3.png, especially for an article created three days earlier by Chucho (B Martin, also of dubious notability). Perhaps this should be reported somewhere else, but I'm leaving it up here for now for commenters to analyze. --Bedivere (talk) 05:56, 31 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Fails GNG and BIO. Sources in article are promos (usually about other subjects), mentions in listings, etc. BEFORE showed more promo and mentions, but nothing that meets IS RS with SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth. BLPs need clearly IS RS with SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth for both content and notabilty to avoid abuse. // Timothy :: talk 12:00, 31 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Another non-notable singer attempting a Wikipedia "profile", through the help of a music producer (Jésus Villareal aka ChuchoVCJMuzik) who created and curated the text. All we have is an avalanche of Advertorials masquerading as sources. Is there a business plan afoot here? -The Gnome (talk) 18:23, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.