Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/American Association of Sporting Events for Rabbits

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Rabbit show jumping. History will be retained behind the redirect, but there's no consensus to retain the article in its present form. Consider this a close to merge Fritzpoll (talk) 20:48, 27 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

American Association of Sporting Events for Rabbits

Basically promotion as indicated on the article's talk page by the creator: I sincerely request that you do not delete the article so serious new rabbit hoppers can find the information they need to get started. I cannot find any reliable secondary sources that can provide any verifiability of this association. Also possibly madeup. MuZemike 07:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Merge usable content into Rabbit show jumping and delete. -- OlEnglish ^(Talk) 07:03, 20 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep WP:ILIKEIT Kwiki (talk) 07:05, 20 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Um, that's *not* a reason to keep. -Jeremy ^{(v^_^v Cardmaker)} 07:06, 20 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry that was an inside joke among people on IRC. I wrote the text on the talk page. Page has been deleted before: 22:17, 16 May 2009 Ged UK (talk | contribs) deleted "American Association of Sporting Events for Rabbits" ‎ (G3: Blatant hoax) but it is not a hoax, just a non-notable organisation. Merge, Userfy, then Delete The reason for the userfication is in this case that the author claims the subject is not the same as Rabbit Show Jumping, and if it was rewritten to be about the "sport" and not about "the club" then it would be OK. Kwiki (talk) 07:07, 20 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pay no attention to my deletion, that was clearly in error as it isn't a hoax, or at least not a blatant one. --Ged UK 07:50, 20 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete; Zero sources what-so-ever and smells like vanispamcruftisement. -Jeremy ^{(v^_^v Cardmaker)} 07:06, 20 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Actually, I counted five sources at the bottom. Yes, it does need some work but after a Wikify the article should be okay. I say keep it, at least for now. --The Legendary Sky Attacker 07:40, 20 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- They do not mention anything about an American Association, which is what this is supposed to be about. MuZemike 18:48, 20 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete OK, we have a well-sourced article Rabbit show jumping, but I can't find any evidence, that the American Association really exists. It's misleading. --Vejvančický (talk) 08:20, 20 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The group has members from Oregon, Wisconsin, California, Denmark, Finland and Sweden as evidenced by the Yahoo link. The US group is recognized by the president of the Danish Club and the Finnish Club. The Jockey Club is a valid article about a club or association. The Rabbit Show Jumping article was not written about the sport, it was written as a parody of horse show jumping. That is NOT what Rabbit Sports are about. Does the club need to purchase a website to provide evidence that it "really exists"? Do you need photos? Affidavits? Newspaper articles?Gyldwiz (talk) 13:34, 20 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

*Merge relevant content to rabbit show jumping. If there's a wider variety of what the article describes as "competitive rabbit sports" , then write a separate article under that title and add a link to the AASER to that. I can forsee that someone could breed and train large rabbits for wrestling, similar to cockfighting, but that would be a hare-raising experience. Mandsford (talk) 13:34, 20 May 2009 (UTC) Write separate articles for each rabbit sport? That seems redundant. There are a lot of sports. I can add a description of half a dozen rabbit sports - agility, cross-country, speed jumping... Is that what is needed? Other "clubs" are articles (see reference to the Jockey Club above). Is this different because horse racing is serious and rabbit racing is not? I would rather you delete the article all together than merge any of it with Rabbit Show Jumping. The article is insulting. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gyldwiz (talk • contribs) 13:59, 20 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No, not separate articles for each "rabbit sport". One separate article to describe what the article refers to as competitive rabbit sports as an alternative to merge. My feeling is that the article would have a better chance of survival if it was about the sport rather than the association. I wouldn't say that rabbit racing isn't serious. Clearly, there are people who take an interest in it and it's notable in that regard. Mandsford (talk) 19:21, 20 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I don't doubt that the club exists, only that it is notable. None of the sources on the article now are what I would call reliable. And yes, Gyldwiz, what we need to evidence notability are articles, written and published in reliable sources. Athanasius • Quicumque vult 14:17, 20 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Gyldwiz, it is not important, if the article is funny, silly, sad or disgusting. We're working on encyclopedia, and encyclopedia should contain notable and verifiable topics. Here is the Google Search result for "American Association of Sporting Events for Rabbits". The Yahoo link is very vague. You can try to create properly sourced article "Rabbit sports" or "Sporting Events for Rabbits"- I believe that the topic is interesting. However, I can't vote "Keep" for this article, since I'm not sure, if it exists or not. Wikipedia is not the promotional website for firms or organisations (associations). --Vejvančický (talk) 14:38, 20 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I think that "promotion" of INFORMATION is why people write articles. The association does not gain financially from this "promotion". Rules and plans for building jumps and training information are all offered for free. When I wanted to participate in this sport I could not find any information. When I finally found it, I thought it should be on Wikipedia so others could find it. I guess I was naive. I wouldn't expect the Danish and Finnish recognition of the AASER would appear on Google. So, I must wait for Google to say it exists? Gyldwiz (talk) 14:57, 20 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Although the sport is verifiably notable in Sweden, Finland and Canada, the only mention of this AASER on the internet seems to be the Yahoo Groups forum. Even the article itself does not have any information about contact information, an address, AASER events, personnel, etc. A google search under the simple terms "rabbit" and "AASER" [1] turns up 192 mentions, mostly about a Dr. A.A. El-Aaser. If there's something in there about this organization, I've overlooked it. Mandsford (talk) 22:36, 20 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I made the article on rabbit show jumping a bit less WP:OG and WP:POV because I think user Gyldwiz was right about that. That article was rather insulting for someone who likes this sport. I wrote a message on the usertalkpage. I hope this helps. Kwiki (talk) 21:56, 23 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Excellent job on the rewrite of what had been a joke article into something sourced. There's actually very little about an American organization within this article itself; most of it would be applicable to the improved version of rabbit show jumping. If there is an AASER and it sets up a website, a link can be posted within the show jumping article. Mandsford (talk) 03:21, 24 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Thanks a lot Mandsford! Kwiki (talk) 05:00, 24 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to rabbit show jumping; develop that article. Chzz ► 15:45, 26 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.