Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bindi Mwerre Anthurre Artists

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The result was keep. WP:HEY Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 09:05, 29 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Bindi Mwerre Anthurre Artists

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non notable org. primary sourced pr. lacks coverage in independent reliable sources. duffbeerforme (talk) 12:29, 11 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 12:31, 11 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Arts-related deletion discussions. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 14:23, 11 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Agree sourcing was thin when nominated here but I think I have now fixed that. Duff, do you still have concerns, or want to pull the nom? hamiltonstone (talk) 10:54, 12 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 11:57, 12 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Hamiltonstone has found some useful sources and this appears to meet WP:NCORP. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 14:07, 12 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at hamiltonstone's new sources.

Brooks, Sally (13 December 2011). "Bindi-run art group rewarded". The Centralian Advocate.

Local rag The Centralian Advocate is indiscriminate. Local puff. "INDIGENOUS artists collective Mwerre Anthurre, run by not-for-profit disability support organisation Bindi Inc, has won the Chief Minister's Award For Excellence in Inclusive Practice by Aboriginal Arts Centres."

"Adrian's art is a shining light". The Northern Territory News. 3 December 2018.

About an artist, not this org. Two sentences on the org, nothing in depth.

Price, Jack. "Landscape painter a deserving award winner". The Centralian Advocate (7 Dec 2018).

Local rag The Centralian Advocate. is indiscriminate. local puff. "was the proud recipient of a mayoral award on Monday, recognising the excellent contribution to the community from a person living with disabilities." What does it say about the org, "Robertson paints with Bindi Mwerre Anthurre Artists, which was set up to provide meaningful pathways for adults with disabilities, and he is a testament to the art centre’s good work.". That's it

Raja, Chris (Summer 2012). "'Roads for community': Desert Mob 2012". Art Monthly Australia (256): 92–93.

Bindi Art’s Mwerre Anthurre studio in Alice Springs is included on a list. that's the only direct mention.

Hutchings, Patrick (14 January 2006). "Life and the spirit in which it is lived". The Age.

A few sentences on the org, nothing significant.

Perkins, Hetty (2000). One Sun One Moon. Sydney: Art Gallery of New South Wales. p. 13. ISBN 0-7347-6360-3.

The Hetty Perkins linked "died in Alice Springs on the 8th of December 1979" So not her as claimed. It's Hetti Perkins with an i. A curator. The book itself has a few short mentions. nothing of any depth.

My bad on the spelling. I think this reference is best considered in the context of the book, when determining subject's significance. This book is a survey of the entire field of Aboriginal Australian art. The centre's role is given explicit attention in one of the most prestigious works in the field. hamiltonstone (talk) 10:42, 13 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

All up yes I still have concerns, No i will not be pulling the nom, I still fully stand by it. Nothing good, still lacking any real depth. duffbeerforme (talk) 04:45, 13 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

So, looking at the article as it currently stands, and using WP:CORP as the reference point, I can see no possible question that it is now supported by multiple, independent, reliable, secondary sources (even were one to accept your view about The Centralian Advocate). So, do we understand your concern now (which may be different to at the time of nomination when the referencing was weaker) to be solely about significance? Or is my summary of the status of the references wrong in your view? hamiltonstone (talk) 10:42, 13 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The concern was unchanged, lacks coverage in independent reliable sources. Mentions are not good enough. duffbeerforme (talk) 02:09, 14 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I've just added 4 substantive WP:IRS articles from The Australian (national newspaper): Rothwell, Nicolas (25 April 2006). "Shifting landscapes". The Australian; Canberra. p. 14.; Rothwell, Nicolas (26 March 2004). "Barriers given the brush". The Australian; Canberra. p. 17.; Rothwell, Nicolas (13 September 2012). "Desert Mob lays out the legacy". The Australian; Canberra. p. 15; Rothwell, Nicolas (11 April 2008). "The dark wings of desire". The Australian; Canberra. p. 14. And 3 articles from state papers mentioning exhibitions. I'm confident Bindi satisfies WP:CORP. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cabrils (talk • contribs) 04:55, 13 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Looking at Cabrils's additions

"Visual Arts". The Advertiser; Adelaide. 9 September 2006. p. W16.

An events listing

Clayfield, Matthew (26 April 2010). "OUT & ABOUT - QUEENSLAND". The Australian; Canberra. p. 14.

An events listing

"HOT SEAT". Weekend Australian; Canberra. 29 October 2005. p. 19

An events listing

Nothing yet, and then there is:

Rothwell, Nicolas (25 April 2006). "Shifting landscapes". The Australian; Canberra. p. 14.

"The studio where Billy Benn paints, Mwerre Anthurre, is a component of the Bindi organisation, a workshop for people with disabilities, located in the light industrial western fringe of Alice Springs." Article about Bill Benn that touches on the org a few times.

Rothwell, Nicolas (26 March 2004). "Barriers given the brush". The Australian; Canberra. p. 17.

This one has a good amount more. Some real depth.

Rothwell, Nicolas (13 September 2012). "Desert Mob lays out the legacy". The Australian; Canberra. p. 15.

Nothing remotely substantive there. - "but in the rough bird drawings set down by Conway Ginger, an emerging painter at Bindi Art's Mwerre Anthurre studio," That's it

Rothwell, Nicolas (11 April 2008). "The dark wings of desire". The Australian; Canberra. p. 14.

"Her path had been a vexed one until she found her way to Bindi and its well-known art centre, Mwerre Anthurre" and "Can we even begin to peer behind the veil that lies across the paintings of Bindi's Mwerre Anthurre art centre, a centre that, with its small cast of creators, each with their own disability, produces some of the loveliest work made in Central Australia?" and "Discerning collectors and connoisseurs of indigenous art are gravitating increasingly to the two disability art centres of the Northern Territory: Mwerre Anthurre in the Centre and Ngaruwanajirri on the Tiwi Islands. For it is in these small, low-key havens, far from fashion and market pressures, that some of the most distinctive art of today's Aboriginal world is being made."

Rothwell articles in The Australian are a good start, just now need multiple publications

The coverage notes that it is a part of the bigger Bindi Centre, so maybe merge there? duffbeerforme (talk) 01:55, 14 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I generally agree with Duff's summary of the additional articles. For clarity I would just note that the articles other than those by Nicholas Rothwell were included of evidence of artists who had been exhibited, which I explained above, not as WP:IRS for the page generally. I would still argue to keep the page.Cabrils (talk) 05:09, 19 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I think that would be the tail wagging the dog - the service described in this article is the notable part of the place. Anyway, there's no article on Bindi to merge to...hamiltonstone (talk) 08:21, 14 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz ^Humbug! 18:30, 21 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - sources added since nomination seem to satisfy GNG. Bookscale (talk) 05:00, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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