Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Charles "Cy" Sherman

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The result was merge to Nebraska Cornhuskers football. MBisanz ^talk 22:52, 23 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Charles "Cy" Sherman

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Coming up with the name "Cornhuskers" for the University of Nebraska isn't going to satisfy WP:JOURNALIST. Clarityfiend (talk) 22:54, 18 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Journalism-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 23:40, 18 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of News media-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 23:40, 18 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

KeepSeems that creating the "Cornhusker" name meets #2 of WP:JOURNALIST, "The person is known for originating a significant new concept. . ." However I could also see a case being made for renaming/redirecting the article to the origination of the Cornhusker name per WP:BIO1E. Barkeep^Chat 05:35, 19 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

A nickname for a college footbal team is far from being the type of "significant new concept" envisaged by WP:JOURNALIST. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 08:04, 19 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The nickname was then given to the entire state and Sherman was honored on the occasion of the state legislature officially adopting the nickname for the state, for what it is worth. Smmurphy^(Talk) 18:56, 18 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Passes GNG. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9]. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 18:41, 21 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Merge pertinent information to Nebraska Cornhuskers and then delete (not a plausible search term). Only tangential coverage, and seems to be a case of WP:BLP1E. ¡Boz zio! 05:19, 22 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 00:40, 26 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spirit of Eagle (talk) 05:14, 3 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Merge/Redirect over to Nebraska Cornhuskers since he doesn't appear to be that notable as an individual, just having notoriety in the particular context relating to them. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 08:40, 16 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I added some more detail; the obit I added was from the Star, but was widely reported, as was his connection to the AP Poll. Smmurphy^(Talk) 17:30, 17 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Local obits do not show notability , and merely naming a team is not a major new concept. Consider madding the info in a single sentence to the article on the team and making a redirect, after the article is deleted. DGG ( talk ) 01:29, 18 October 2016 (UTC) .[reply]

Just to be clear, while I'm not sure if a local obit cannot show notability, after looking through the obits I found, it seemed that the Star obit was the most useful one for making a good contribution to the page.Smmurphy^(Talk) 02:46, 18 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

If the article is deleted, performing a merging of info "in a single sentence to the article on the team" will be difficult for most users to perform, who won't have access to the deleted article. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 07:51, 23 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Historical figure, known for something ongoing, and subject of a detailed published obituary including multiple claims (https://www.newspapers.com/clip/7061146/the_lincoln_star/ https://www.newspapers.com/clip/7061235/the_lincoln_star/) even if non-independent. If not for keeping, merge to Nebraska Cornhuskers football, as per any WP:BIO1E case. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 05:22, 22 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I added a citation to a non-Lincoln version of the obituary, the one I added was from Arkansas and was the next one I found at newspapers.com. I also added some material about Sherman's role in Western League Baseball (Class A minor league, I think), which he helped restart after WWII and of which he was a franchise owner. I don't mean to overstep, but I wanted to point out another addition which speaks to the issue of the local obituary (I've added a non-local printing of the obituary and can add more if requested) and the issue of being notable for only one thing. I count four things: coined the cornhusker nickname for the team which was then adopted by the state, played a roll in the creation of the AP college football poll, franchise owner and league treasurer of a Class A minor league team, co-owned and edited the Red Lodge Pickett in Red Lodge, Montana - all cited to Lincoln newspapers and to newspapers outside of the state. Smmurphy^(Talk) 07:00, 22 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Nebraska Cornhuskers football, per WP:BIO1E. Really only famous for one thing, and while the sourcing is improved with some primary sources, there doesn't seem to be anything secondary, substantial, and independent, which we need to get over WP:N. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 04:07, 23 October 2016 (UTC).[reply]
Delete and then mention at other article at the amount as needed, because none of this is actually substantiating independent notability for a convincing article. SwisterTwister talk 05:33, 23 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per the significant coverage in reliable sources linked by WikiOriginal-9 (talk · contribs). WP:BLP1E/WP:BIO1E does not apply because the subject died in 1951 and because he is notable for being a newspaperman for nearly 60 years. The obituary in The Lincoln Star provides very substantial coverage about him. The obituary demonstrates Cy Sherman's national impact as a sports editor and sports write:
In 1936, Cy advanced the idea for the Associated Press members' national poll of top ten college football teams — the poll generally accepted today as designating the national champion.
He has received coverage in other sources like this article in the Omaha Bee and this article from the Lincoln Evening Journal ("Nationally Known Sports Editor Named to 'Sports Hall of Fame'"). Sherman clearly meets Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline.
I oppose a merge to Nebraska Cornhuskers because the sources demonstrate that Cy Sherman's notability is not solely tied to the Nebraska Cornhuskers.
Cunard (talk) 05:47, 23 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Not only are the listed sources above simply local news stories, they actually emphasize the fact (as the comments earlier have also noted), it's still not enough for an actually convincing article of his own, and not something that would be confident for meaningful improvements. Simply that he was "known in his work" is not alone enough to actually save this article, therefore the comments earlier have shown the one local story obituary of his death is not alone inherited notability or any other means of automatic acceptance. Also, as for merging, any meaningful information can simply be mentioned at the other article with a limited amount, since that other article is about the entire subject, not the man himself alone. SwisterTwister talk 06:53, 23 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Just for the record, all the sources I linked weren't local. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 18:23, 23 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Selective Merge to Nebraska Cornhuskers football, which presently has no mention of the subject. This will improve the merge target article by making it more comprehensive and accurate for Wikipedia's readers. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 07:50, 23 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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