Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chimele Usuwa Abengowe

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The result was delete‎. The Delete views carry significantly more P&G weight than the Keep ones, resulting in a rough consensus. Owen× ☎ 18:06, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chimele Usuwa Abengowe

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Firstly, the content on ref 1 which is a magazine can't be verified by any reliable source same as ref 5. Ref 2 and ref 5 are also the same link on the article current state. The only source here was this which just only talk about his death. Ref 7 which is a YouTube video showcasing a church service cant be use as a source neither any YouTube link can be use as a source. Ref 3 which just only mentioned his name as part of the medical list and not like he was talked about. Subject just totally fails WP:GNG. Gabriel (……?) 01:15, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Academics and educators, and Nigeria. Gabriel (……?) 01:15, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Clearly a much respected citizen but WP:NOTMEMORIAL Xxanthippe (talk) 01:42, 9 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]
thank you for your response. Please note that @Gabriel601 has been trolling my articles and marking them for deletion. There's an established case of "nominations in bad faith here". Cfaso2000 (talk) 05:25, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Medicine-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 04:09, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

welcome again for marking another article of mine for deletion. After the last episode, you should have recused yourself from my articles and leave other editors to go through and arrive at their own conclusions. Cfaso2000 (talk) 05:28, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: I can't verify certain details about this person like the date of birth and death. My search for the various information yielded "result not found" and I was wondering about the origin of other information like the award, OFR. After all these, I can say that the article doesn't meet WP:NPROF and WP:SIGCOV. Also, Gabriel's source analysis is thorough and well-documented. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 15:42, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Due to being a recipient of one of Nigeria's highest national awards (WP:ANYBIO The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor) National Honour of Member of the Order of the Niger (OON) by President Olusegun Obasanjo on the 16th November, 2000 - now sourced to Federal Republic of Nigeria Official Gazette. (Msrasnw (talk) 09:48, 10 September 2024 (UTC))[reply]
The link you provided still doesn’t have his name on it that the president honors him with the title of OON. I opened the link used the control+F to find and paste his name still zero not found. Subject still fails WP:GNG. Gabriel (……?) 10:26, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- It has on page 605 as the third entry.... under the heading OFFICER OF THE ORDER OF THE NIGER (OON) Professor C. U. Abengowe ... Abia
  - https://archive.gazettes.africa/archive/ng/2000/ng-government-gazette-dated-2000-10-09-no-69.pdf Best wishes (Msrasnw (talk) 11:07, 10 September 2024 (UTC))[reply]
    @Msrasnw, winning an award is a WP policy/guide that WP:SIGCOV may exist for an article. Oppositely, there isn't any coverage for this article, hence doesn't meet our general notability guidelines. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 15:38, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    - I think there is significant coverage in Nigerian media for eg in an important newspaper Independent Nigeria ... we have Emejor, Chibuzor (2023) NGO Immortalises Prof Abengowe, Featured News, Independent Sep 4 [1]
    - and Vision Africa (2013) Professor Abengowe Chimele Usuwa: Pragmatic Icon In The Field Of Teaching And Guidance, Profiles, Vision Africa 08/04 [2] And here (https://archive.upf.org/united-nations/international-day-of-peace/2013/5312-conference-in-abuja-on-education-and-national-development) he is giving a keynote at a serious conference. And there is lots more. I think it is shame that too many Wikipedia editors are too willing to delete what are to my mind clearly notable people that can with a little effort be reasonably sourced. (Msrasnw (talk) 16:18, 13 September 2024 (UTC))[reply]
      Vision Africa is a non notable platform. Upf is a non notable platform. There is till nothing notable about this man as per Wikipedia notability. If he was that respected a lot of news papers would have carried his news death. But nothing rather than just one news that’s not even all about his death. Gabriel (……?) 13:41, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Subject satisfies notability guidelines as have been severally outlined above. Cfaso2000 (talk) 13:25, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

One source ain't enough to justify notability. Other editors needs to be aware ‘Cfaso2000’ was the article creator. Gabriel (……?) 11:36, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: There is a disagreement over the quality of sourcing. A source assessment at this point would be helpful.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:07, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 06:14, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Seems to me he has distinguished service. Notable award too methinks.Unfortunate coverage isn’t wider. 102.91.4.54 (talk) 18:02, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You should have just created an account to vote a keep. All this keep from newbies are now just suspicious. Gabriel (……?) 18:18, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Been here for 12 yrs. 102.91.4.54 (talk) 19:07, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep : Subject meet WP:Notable and there are enough references to back it up Tesleemah (talk) 08:09, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: The sources provided are not enough to meet WP:GNG. VisionAfrica seems to be the most in-depth, but I could not verify its reliability - it's not listed on the RS Noticeboard. There's no WP:SIGCOV to justify an article at this time.DesiMoore (talk) 15:52, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You don't just make claims, @Tesleemah. You may need to present the sources you're speaking of. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 15:23, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: SOURCE ANALYSIS:
1. Vision Africa is an unreliable source per WP:NGRS. ✗ Fail
2. gazettes.africa is an archive of the government gazettes of African countries, hence, it's reliable and correctly defined the content. ✓ Pass
3. I will conder BLERF as reliable because it's been published by Nyaknno Osso, but it lacks indepth coverage and it's a listing of primary generated information. In other words, a database cannot be used as a source. ✗ Fail
4. It lists medical practitioners registered in Nigeria, but it wasn't independent of Jim, and doesn't show his career. It was only a list. ✗ Fail
5.Same as source 1
6. same as source 3
7. Without having doubts, and although Independent Newspaper (Nigeria) is reliable, the article reads like a paid publication. It's a coverage and statements by the organization who made a statue/thereabout for him.✗ Fail
8. YouTube is unreliable and the source (username that it was gotten from) of the video is very very unreliable ✗ Fail
Final analysis: being awarded an award may meet WP:ANYBIO. However, all these SNGs are ways to know that there may exist likely coverage about the person. Here, there is no coverage (significant) of this individual. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 15:26, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@SafariScribeThanks for your source analysis. I have concerns regarding No 7 analysis. Your statement "the organization who made a statue/thereabout for him" appears to attribute the statue to the organization mentioned in the article. This is not the case based on my reading of the article again. Nowhere in the Independent Newspaper(Nigeria) article was it mentioned that the organization created a statue for him, and I haven't found that in any other sources analysed above. The organization mentioned in this article immortalized him by naming their lecture/conference series after the subject. Regarding being a paid publication, I'm not sure about that. The subject was resting on his deathbed and an organization "probably sponsored" news articles about him, or another probability is "they attracted news attention" to his death. I really can't vouch for any organization regarding how news content emanated. But I would give the benefit of doubt, given that the subject was deceased, and being a prominent person, would attract some coverage. Whether the coverage is facilitated or not is uncertain. I don't think this source should be considered as having failed. Cfaso2000 (talk) 12:14, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Cfaso2000, about source 7, see WP:PRSOURCE. Best, Reading Beans 08:38, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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