Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Denton railway station (Lincolnshire)

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The result was redirect to Ambergate, Nottingham and Boston and Eastern Junction Railway#Woolsthorpe branch. Daniel (talk) 04:16, 29 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Denton railway station (Lincolnshire)

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This article is not notable nor verifiable and it has no reliable sources. The article has an un-referenced claim to be a goods only terminus station of a small railway branch in Denton, Lincolnshire. Nempnet (talk) 13:49, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 13:52, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 13:52, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The branch in question was the former GNR Woolsthorpe branch from Belvoir Junction, near Muston on the GNR Nottingham Branch (according to the OS 25 inch map Leicestershire III.5 published in 1904, ^[1], map 70 in Jowett ^[2]) The branch appears to have been constructed to serve the the Woolsthorpe quarries at Denton and Harston.

There is reference to Denton Agricultural siding in Jowett (ref p3) and Denton siding in BR pre-grouping atlas (p16) and the 1904 Handbook of stations (p160) but no reference to a station of any kind, I've also checked the 1894, 1938 & 1956 Handbooks, the 1956 Handbook has reference to a private siding at Denton for Stewarts & Lloyds Minerals Ltd and a public siding also at Denton.^[2]^[3]^[4]^[5]

There is no sign, that I can detect, of a station on any of the mapping available at National Library of Scotland.^[1] There is no mention of a GNR Denton station in Quick or Butt.^[6]^[7] There are fifty links to the station all generated from Template:Closed stations Lincolnshire

More information about the branch, quarries and area can be found at the links provided by Djm-leighpark on the articles talk page, reproduced here for convenience:

^ ^a ^b "OS 25 inch map Leicestershire III.5". 1904.
^ ^a ^b Jowett, Alan (March 1989). Jowett's Railway Atlas of Great Britain and Ireland: From Pre-Grouping to the Present Day (1st ed.). Sparkford: Patrick Stephens Ltd. p. 70. ISBN 978-1-85260-086-0. OCLC 22311137.
^ Conolly, W.Philip (1963). British Railways Pre-Grouping Atlas and Gazetteer (3rd ed.). Hampton Court: Railway Publications (Ian Allan). p. 16.
^ The Railway Clearing House (1970) [1904]. The Railway Clearing House Handbook of Railway Stations 1904 (1970 D&C Reprint ed.). Newton Abbot: David & Charles Reprints. p. 160. ISBN 0-7153-5120-6.
^ The Railway Clearing House (1956). The Railway Clearing House Handbook of Railway Stations 1956. London: British Transport Commision (Railway Clearing House). pp. 126 & 422.
^ Quick, Michael (2022) [2001]. Railway passenger stations in Great Britain: a chronology (PDF). version 5.04. Railway & Canal Historical Society. p. 144. Archived from the original (PDF) on 25 November 2022.
^ Butt, R. V. J. (October 1995). The Directory of Railway Stations: details every public and private passenger station, halt, platform and stopping place, past and present (1st ed.). Sparkford: Patrick Stephens Ltd. p. 78. ISBN 978-1-85260-508-7. OCLC 60251199. OL 11956311M.

Nempnet (talk) 13:58, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, but change emphasis and rename to Woolsthorpe branch or similar, to include information from the above links. There is a lot of information there which could be used to create a reasonable article. (I'll be happy to have a bash at it myself). — O Still Small Voice of Clam 18:17, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Changing !vote to Redirect, per Nthep below. — O Still Small Voice of Clam 14:22, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Ambergate, Nottingham and Boston and Eastern Junction Railway#Woolsthorpe branch. Nthep (talk) 18:35, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed GRALISTAIR (talk) 19:42, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
comment in the "part 2" reference about these is the statement: "This map of 1902 shows that Denton Manor Farm was provided with a short siding, which had a platform alongside it.". It is possible this platform was considered to be a station; though it could have simply been a goods/cattle loading platform. I had wondered if a "platform" had been erected for benefit of the <W>loadLord of the manor but that is speculation and way not match the build of the section of the railway. Another option was a halt specially create for World War II ... again speculation. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 21:36, 13 July 2021 (UTC) I'd be relunctant to retain the article as unless the nature of the station (if any) can be verified.Djm-leighpark (talk) 21:39, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I've checked Clinker's Register of Closed Passenger Stations and Goods Depots and that has the only GN entry under Denton as Denton Siding. So I'd agree with your assessment that all that existed, was a goods siding with an adjacent loading platform. Nthep (talk) 14:52, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

comment there are certainly grounds, and likely enough information in the above references to produce an article on the branch, or as part of a different article, but even if the article was renamed and reworded there is nothing that could be kept, the coordinates do not make sense for a branch, there are no references to keep, it would no longer be a station so all the categories would no longer apply, nor the closed stations in Lincolnshire template, that would leave the sentence Denton railway station was the terminus of a small railway branch in Denton, Lincolnshire. It was used only for goods. of which the first half is unverifiable, the second half may be accurate but would need re-working, leaving nothing of the original article to be kept or redirected.Nempnet (talk) 14:09, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The Railway Clearing House Handbook for 1904 lists 'Denton Siding' GNR at Bottesford. It doesn't even rate it as a 'goods station', let alone one for passengers or parcels. The Bottesford entry lists it as being "Position: Branch - Bottesford & Sedgebrook" along with Welby's Siding and Woolsthorpe Siding. Geof Sheppard (talk) 16:27, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 03:20, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect per Nthep and GRALISTAIR. The article can always be recreated if more information becomes available but right now there doesn't appear to be enough information available to verify whether or not this station existed. The article itself contains next to no information. NemesisAT (talk) 23:35, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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[NLS-1] "OS 25 inch map Leicestershire III.5". 1904.

[Jowett-2] Jowett, Alan (March 1989). Jowett's Railway Atlas of Great Britain and Ireland: From Pre-Grouping to the Present Day (1st ed.). Sparkford: Patrick Stephens Ltd. p. 70. ISBN 978-1-85260-086-0. OCLC 22311137.

[3] Conolly, W.Philip (1963). British Railways Pre-Grouping Atlas and Gazetteer (3rd ed.). Hampton Court: Railway Publications (Ian Allan). p. 16.

[4] The Railway Clearing House (1970) [1904]. The Railway Clearing House Handbook of Railway Stations 1904 (1970 D&C Reprint ed.). Newton Abbot: David & Charles Reprints. p. 160. ISBN 0-7153-5120-6.

[5] The Railway Clearing House (1956). The Railway Clearing House Handbook of Railway Stations 1956. London: British Transport Commision (Railway Clearing House). pp. 126 & 422.

[6] Quick, Michael (2022) [2001]. Railway passenger stations in Great Britain: a chronology (PDF). version 5.04. Railway & Canal Historical Society. p. 144. Archived from the original (PDF) on 25 November 2022.

[7] Butt, R. V. J. (October 1995). The Directory of Railway Stations: details every public and private passenger station, halt, platform and stopping place, past and present (1st ed.). Sparkford: Patrick Stephens Ltd. p. 78. ISBN 978-1-85260-508-7. OCLC 60251199. OL 11956311M.

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