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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. No consensus either way, and the last two relists haven't attracted any new contributors to the discussion. Michig (talk) 20:20, 9 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

East Gate Bel Air, Los Angeles

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There is no WP:Reliable source in this article to indicate that East Gate Bel Air is an actual neighborhood. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 19:22, 19 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The sources seem to indicate it is a real-estate listing classification only. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 19:25, 19 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Bakazaka (talk) 20:29, 19 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. Bakazaka (talk) 20:29, 19 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. The gateway on Sunset Boulevard pictured in the article is a somewhat striking landmark, I know from having driven past it many times long ago, and based on that plus general experience about historic sites and neighborhood articles, I am pretty sure the gateway itself would be eligible for listing on the U.S. National Register of Historic Places and that the neighborhood as a whole surely is notable. Good to have a stub article on the combo topic (gateway plus neighborhood), rather than deleting only to create one or two articles later. I haven't searched online for sources, I acknowledge, but it just seems fairly obviously notable. --Doncram (talk) 02:52, 21 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Bel Air is made up of three separate neighborhoods. East Gate Bel Air (alternately called Old Bel Air) was noted as such by the Los Angeles Times when former President Reagan moved there in 1988. "...the Reagans' post-presidential residence is a modest, by old (i.e., East Gate) Bel-Air standards..." . [1] I also noticed that The Los Angeles Times has referenced people living in "Old Bel Air" on numerous occasions. Michael Landon lived in"The $4.9-million house in old Bel-Air ". [2] As the Los Angeles Times has, on multiple occasions, singled out either East Gate Bel Air or Old Bel Air, I recognize this as a separate neighborhood (from the newer West Gate Bel Air and Upper Bel Air) and have no problem with it maintaining its own wikipedia page. Phatblackmama (talk) 04:48, 23 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ http://articles.latimes.com/1988-12-04/news/vw-1262_1_nancy-reagan/4
  2. ^ http://articles.latimes.com/1988-06-19/realestate/re-7507_1_zsa-zsa
  • Merge with Bel Air, Los Angeles - Apart from real estate and business directory listings the few sources that actually mention East Gate do so in the context of Bel Air as a whole, not as a separate entity. Our notability guidelines are based on coverage in reliable sources, not our own perceptions. The Notable Residents section raises serious concerns including home locations sourced to the County Assessor's office. –dlthewave ☎ 21:39, 24 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 01:13, 26 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment/Question. I !voted Keep above. User:Dlthewave, what is meant by "The Notable Residents section raises serious concerns". Old Bel Air and other elite areas in Los Angeles are covered by maps showing homes of celebrities, which are toured by busloads of tourists and by self-drive tourist tours. I tend to suspect the maps are outdated, showing homes of old/dead celebrities and not so much up-and-coming ones, but this information is more or less factual and public and of weirdly great public interest, unlike any info about residents anywhere else. There are not general concerns about saying where Sonny and Cher used to live together. Much more specific info about the celebrities locations is already very well known by papparrazzi(sp?), and this is not targeting them for anything. I don't see any concerns, and in fact think a former residents list for this area is quite relevant and encyclopedic even (while elsewhere I would probably dislike them, and maybe I would not like to publish lists where political or other public figures lived. Celebrities want to be famous.) --Doncram (talk) 04:45, 28 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 09:44, 2 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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