Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Johnnie L. Cochran Jr. Middle School

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to List of Los Angeles Unified School District schools#Zoned middle schools. (non-admin closure) –Davey2010^Talk 00:05, 23 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Johnnie L. Cochran Jr. Middle School

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There is debate as to whether this meets notability standards HedgeHogPower (talk) 23:11, 15 November 2016 (UTC) Creating deletion discussion for Johnnie L. Cochran Jr. Middle School[reply]

Redirect to List of Los Angeles Unified School District schools#Zoned middle schools per WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES. —teb728 t c 23:27, 15 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't this be discussed on the Talk page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by HedgeHogPower (talk • contribs) 23:29, 15 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- No, it should be discussed here. —teb728 t c 23:33, 15 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. I will move my comment over from the talk page.

Keep I have submitted this article for deletion only because it kept getting blanked out and redirected. I feel it has enough information to warrant standing on its own. I have modeled this page on other LAUSD schools, such as Le Conte Middle School, that have less information and yet I still don't seem to be satisfying the critics. If this is to be deleted, I would like to know what is missing...it has notable alumni. Does it need a reference to the original architect? HedgeHogPower (talk) 23:46, 15 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- It doesn't need notable alumni or a reference to the architect. What it needs is significant coverage in independent reliable sources. See WP:GNG. —teb728 t c 00:13, 16 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect just like my last edit to the article. There is no indication that this is a notable middle school. I provided my review of the article on the talk page, will not restate it here. The nominator doesn't even want the article deleted. They are advocating keeping the article but only say it is no worse than other LA school articles. The current state of other articles should have no bearing on the fate of this article. -- GB fan 00:20, 16 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per above. Also note that if it helps you settle this in your mind, I'll be redirecting Le Conte as soon as I finish this. HedgeHogPower, thank you for your concern about school articles but your efforts are misplaced. Except in exceptional cases, schools that do not grant diplomas do not get articles. John from Idegon (talk) 00:39, 16 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you John. I appreciate the clarity of your last sentence. The only other school on the LAUSD page that had an article I was modeling after was John Burroughs Middle School (Los Angeles). Its only claim to fame is that the facade has been used for a number of film location shoots. But that does not make it notable, correct? And there is no reason why it has remained and Cochran got removed. (I keep looking a logic, and I am afraid there isn't any!)

And on a humorous side note, when I was looking for a template to work from , I saw that Virgil Middle School lists Marilyn Monroe as an alumni, but when you click on the link it takes you to the Virgil Middle school site, where it says it got the Marilyn Monroe information from...Wikipedia.HedgeHogPower (talk) 02:10, 16 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I have redirected John Burroughs Middle School (Los Angeles) also as it is no better than this one. -- GB fan 02:20, 16 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect per the norm for non-notable elementary or middle schools this should be redirected to the school board page List of Los Angeles Unified School District schools#Zoned middle schools. WP:OSE is not a reason to keep an article. Yes there are sources that mention this school (the current content creator has done a good job of finding material), but none of them show the notability of the school. Some of the material might be worth including if the school were notable, but that's not the same as showing that the school is notable. It was built, it looked like Mt. Vernon, it was named, it was damaged and rebuilt, a new name was proposed, and a different name was chosen. Mount Vernon, Earp, and Cochran are notable, but that does not make schools named after them notable. Being built, damaged, and rebuilt are not notable. The direct quote from documentary cannot be evaluated since the links are dead. They have been in the article since the original version was created in 2009. So far I have found only one other source that refers to this documentary, and it is useless to us as it is verbatim copy of that part of this Wikipedia article. The defunct marleyklaus.com ref was probably not a reliable source since she was probably the producer of the piece (Klaus was a west coast news producer and blogger). The Marion Parker case is notable, but the school's minor involvement does not seem to be enough to make the school notable. Meters (talk) 05:27, 16 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect. Not Notable. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 16:44, 20 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 02:11, 17 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 02:11, 17 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.