Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Maccabees

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. If you want to propose a merge take it to the talk pages. Closing early, thanks! Missvain (talk) 23:54, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Maccabees

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The articles Maccabees and Maccabean Revolt covers almost exactly the same content. I suggest that they be merged. The Maccabees were the same family that founded the Hasmonean dynasty. ImTheIP (talk) 03:45, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. ImTheIP (talk) 03:45, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Judaism-related deletion discussions. ImTheIP (talk) 03:45, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Israel-related deletion discussions. ImTheIP (talk) 03:45, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Palestine-related deletion discussions. ImTheIP (talk) 03:45, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Hasmonean dynasty. It seems reasonable to me to cover both the family and the dynasty they spawned in a single article, especially since the majority of the article will be overlap. I'm opposed any merge to Maccabean Revolt, as detailed information about the family of the Maccabees is out of place in the article about the war. I'm not convinced there's enough separate content between the family that can be written outside of the scope of the dynasty to support an article though. Hog Farm _Bacon 06:25, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Though I do agree with User:Hog Farm that in theory those could be one article but the problem is WP:SIZE both articles are large enough and they really are distinct topics --Shrike (talk) 08:02, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note that the articles was merged in 2011 but for some reason they diverged thereafter. ImTheIP (talk) 16:25, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Keep The nomination does not propose deletion and its assertion that the pages have "exactly the same content" is false. And it's not clear why one would delete this article when it has a more general name and scope. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:30, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Care to explain? The widest definition of the Maccabees is that they were Mattathias sons. The same people that led the Maccabean revolt. The narrowest definition only counts Judas as the Maccabee and treats all of them as members of the Hasmonean clan. ImTheIP (talk) 16:25, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The Hasmoneans were a dynasty that spanned over a century, the Maccabees were the people (army, rebels, leaders or whatever) that existed at the time of the revolt against the Seleucids, which lasted a few decades at most.--Watchlonly (talk) 11:54, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep Per Watchlonly's argumnet, that the maccabess are know by that name specifically, had separate events that make them notable. It's like saying that Julius Caesar should be merged into the article about the dynasty he started. Debresser (talk) 12:13, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The topic is notable and the article provides ample reliable and verifiable sources. Yes, there's overlap between Maccabees and Maccabean Revolt, but the articles are clearly not the same. Alansohn (talk) 13:43, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Appears highly notable, this seems like a case of an article needing some expansions, not merging.★Trekker (talk) 18:53, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: An unlikely target, for deletion or merge. If the nominator wants to propose a merge, then they should follow the process described in Wikipedia:Merging. Articles for Deletion is for articles that somebody wants to delete. — Toughpigs (talk) 22:42, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.