Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael Sugrue

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The result was delete. I'm finding David Eppstein's, and others', rebuttal of notability claims to be persuasive. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:51, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Sugrue

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An impressive list of achievements, but doesn't meet WP:NPROF or WP:BIO. There was a discussion about notability a month ago at the talk page, but nothing seems to have come of that. A WP:BEFORE search shows that the one solid source is the American Conservative profile currently cited. I can find only one paper by him on Scopus, and low citation count on Google Scholar (note that there's an Australian surgeon with the same name, so you'll need to exclude a few keywords in your search).

The article creator wrote in an edit summary that he passes on points 6 and 7 of WP:NPROF. On point 6, I can only find that he was the chair of Ave Maria University's Core Curriculum Committee. On point 7, he has contributed lectures to The Great Courses series, but I can't find reviews of those lectures online in reliable sources, or other evidence of "substantial impact outside academia in their academic capacity". Storchy (talk) 16:20, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Academics and educators and History. Storchy (talk) 16:20, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sugrue has two positions which may qualify him for points five and six of WP:NACADEMICS. Firstly, he held the distinguished position as the Behrman fellow at Princeton University during the roughly twelve years he served there as a professor; seeing as this is a named, distinguished position, it may pass (5). Secondly, since his position at Ave Maria University as chairman of the Core Curriculum Committee is an appointed administrative post at a major academic institution, it may pass (6).

What's important to note is that even though Sugrue may have been an accomplished professor while he was still a teacher at Princeton or Ave Maria, he became well-known to a wide audience through his Great Courses lectures and his YouTube channel, where he now posts daily. I don't think there is any doubt that these lectures have had a wide influence on, at the very least, some people.

In my opinion, I think there is ground that the article should be kept for these reasons. GuardianH (talk) 19:35, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 20:31, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep Based on points 5 and 6 as discussed above, seems to just pass the notability bar. Oaktree b (talk) 20:55, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Can't see how either 5 or 6 (or 1-4 for that matter) of NSCHOLAR are met. Named chairs in the US are quite common, so the distinguished professor criteria would not apply; and he hasn't held the highest level administrative position at an institution.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 20:27, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. You can find out more about the Behrman Fellowship program at [1]. It is a funding program to give time to faculty for curriculum development. That is a very different thing from an endowed professorship, which is an honor given to faculty for exceptional scholarship. So it does not count towards WP:PROF#C5. And the case for #C6 is far more ridiculous. That criterion is for heads of entire universities. Chairing a faculty committee does not in any way count for that. I was unable to find evidence for WP:PROF#C1, maybe because he is in the humanities which tends to be based more on book publishing than journals and journal citations. But I was also unable to find any published reviews of books he might have written, so I don't see any evidence of WP:AUTHOR, or any other notability criterion. —David Eppstein (talk) 01:27, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I'm not seeing a pass of the wiki-notability criterion for academics, or any other applicable standard. XOR'easter (talk) 01:48, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per David Eppstein's reasoning. Best, GPL93 (talk) 15:23, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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