Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Moldovan language

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎. But this outcome may need reevaluation as political circumstances change. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 03:04, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Moldovan language

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Same as the Romanian Language and there is no difference between the languages its not even a dialect let alone a different language its just a different name of the same language and should be deleted or merged with Romanian Language article. Isla 🏳️‍⚧ 19:42, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Language and Moldova. Isla 🏳️‍⚧ 19:42, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I don't agree, because we have a separate article on Moldavian dialect, and someone putting "Moldovan language" in the search bar might be looking for that. Moldovan language should be a disambiguation page if we decide not to keep the article.—S Marshall T/C 20:49, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If they search "language" trying to look up the dialect, they are simply doing a wrong search. I don't agree with this analogy. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 10:19, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There is no clear border between language and dialect, so it's a reasonable thing to have a disambiguation for. //Replayful (talk | contribs) 09:34, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I get what you mean. This could be appliable on cases for language varieties that are sometimes regarded as languages. An example could be, IDK, Bavarian language. However the Romanian spoken in Moldova is just the same as the one spoken in the rest of Romania and it is universally regarded as Romanian by linguists. It does not even constitute a variety of its own, the Romanian in north of Moldova has more in common with the Romanian spoken in the north of Western Moldavia than with the Romanian spoken in the south of Moldova. This all at least to traditional linguistic views.

Someone wanting to look up the Romanian dialect, spoken both in the Republic of Moldova and in Romania's Western Moldavia, will look it up as "dialect" (grai in Romanian). Someone wanting to look up the artificial political concept argued to be spoken in the Republic of Moldova will look it up as "language" (limbă in Romanian; this last one is self-fullfilling because people who believe Moldovan is a language will really stress on calling it as such). If they switch things up, they simply are confused about the concepts. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 22:22, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

In any case, Controversy over ethnic and linguistic identity in Moldova would be a better target. I don't think it's the time yet to discuss the status of articles like these. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 10:19, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Leaning Keep. The article is not about the same thing as Romanian language, because this is about the term Moldovan language/the status of what's spoken in Moldova. The article seems well-sourced and there are sources specific about the topic. However, a better name might be needed. But it also seems like something that could be merged with Controversy over ethnic and linguistic identity in Moldova (I can't really judge if the content is already covered). //Replayful (talk | contribs) 09:30, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

We have a fair amount of articles with similar scopes. Moldovenism is another. To sum it up quickly, Moldovenism consists on the notion that Moldovans are an ethnic group of their own with their own language. Perhaps a merge between these articles is possible in the future, but if this article is kept, I think the current title is pretty appropriate. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 19:48, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, that's a good point and context. Maybe there's some work to do in working out the relations between these many article. That could indeed lead to a merge (or multiple). As long as the source-supported content is generally covered somewhere, I'm fine with any outcome/reorganization. //Replayful (talk | contribs) 20:29, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think we should wait for Transnistria to derecognize the language or for it to stop existing and for Moldova to unite with Romania. If you'd like to have the non-nationalistic version of this message, just wait for the first one. Having no entities recognising it will give us much room to maneuver. Otherwise it's harder to argue against the article's existence. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 22:22, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, rename - I'm definitely against deletion, and I'm not sure if a merge to Controversy over ethnic and linguistic identity in Moldova is really the correct choice. If we want to avoid confusion between Romanian language, Moldavian dialect, and this article, I propose a rename to Romanian language in Moldova, leaving the current page as a disambiguation. Frzzl talk; contribs 14:38, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. There are other cases where a language officially recognized by a state as a separate language is not too different linguistically from another (e.g. Montenegrin language). But linguistic criteria are different, and political status in itself creates enough notability. Suitskvarts (talk) 14:52, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Suitskvarts. Bookworm857158367 (talk) 07:09, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.