Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sardar Patel Museum, Surat

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The result was keep. Nom withdrawn. (non-admin closure) ∯WBG^converse 12:54, 12 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sardar Patel Museum, Surat

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~~I am not seeing any coverage whatsoever of this Museum.~~ — $f r +$ 06:19, 7 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to Surat because of short text (WP:MERGEREASON).--PATH SLOPU^(Talk) 14:25, 7 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Plenty of coverage of this museum can be found if you search for its name without it being followed by the name of the city where it is located:

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Phil Bridger (talk) 12:45, 8 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That's another far-famed museum of roughly the same name, located in the same state and with an article of it's own. ∯WBG^converse 03:40, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No it isn't. Most of the Google Books and Scholar links (the ones that are most reliable) are for this museum in Surat rather than the one in Ahmedabad. You seem to be digging yourself deeper into a hole by trying to justify your silly edit below rather than evaluating the sources properly. This should obviously be closed now as "keep" rather than have you delay the inevitable. Phil Bridger (talk) 20:04, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep There is also plenty of coverage if you search under its former name, Winchester Museum, Surat. Journal of Indian Museums had an article in 1956 (Vol 12, pp 39-42) that "Narrates the origin and development of the museum" (summary from Cultural News from India 1962 [1]). The India Museums Review in 1959 had a history and overview starting "This Museum, earlier the Winchester Museum, named after a former Assistant Collector, was started in 1890 in the ..." [2]. The Eastern Anthropologist in 1976 has a description starting "Sardar Ballavbhai Patel Museum, Surat, Gujarat. Formerly known as Winchester Museum established in 1890. Besides paintings and sculpture, there is small collection of local textiles and embroidery work from Saurashtra, Kutch, Punjab and ..." [3] (these are all snippet views, so one would need access to the actual journal to read the whole piece). There's even an 1890 issue of The Indian Magazine with news about the foundation stone being laid [4]. There is also a thesis about it, 'A museum through transition: Case study of Sardar Vallabhai Patel Museum Surat' (2009) [5].User:RebeccaGreen appears to have forgotten to sign this comment.E.M.Gregory (talk) 19:31, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, Withdrawing nom. To be frank, I got confused between a similarly named non notable place in Surat. << FR 11:32, 9 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I can access almost all the sources and need to look into the stuff and the depth of the cites. Consequently, I am requesting against a procedural close. ∯WBG^converse 11:46, 9 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. wp:ITSAMUSEUM. --Doncram (talk) 05:23, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
which is a piss-pathetic essay written by you. I understand the motivations for self-advertisement but something better, please. Why not just say per Rebecca who has done quite-a-job? ∯WBG^converse 14:24, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe that's what you should have done, rather than delay an obvious "keep" close per nominator withdrawal. Phil Bridger (talk) 20:39, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Because I prefer to access the entirety of sources (which takes time, 2/3 more days) rather than snippets-view. ∯WBG^converse 03:35, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Editors who run even the simplest search on gBooks using keywords "Winchester Museum" + Surat will immediately find articles in books, scholarly journals and dusty but reliable Edwardian sources like the Imperial gazetteer of India that confirm notability. WBG is, of coruse, welcome to help improve the article at his leisure.E.M.Gregory (talk) 19:26, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

KEEP. Searches under the museum's original, colonial era name are persuasive. (Fact is, India has a significant number of colonial era museums with important collections that have gathered dust since 1948 but are now are beginning to receive attention and funds. the decades of neglect explain why sources are ore plentiful under the old name.)E.M.Gregory (talk) 00:11, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

KEEP. this used to be Winchester Museum, wp:ITSAMUSEUM, Alex-h (talk) 21:22, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - notable museum; nomination has been withdrawn anyway Spiderone 10:04, 12 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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