Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Tower (Kean University)

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The result was delete. T. Canens (talk) 16:14, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Tower (Kean University)

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Contested PROD, Non-Notable Student newspaper. Fails WP:GNG. Mtking (talk) 04:04, 11 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete sources are basically original research. KING OF WIKIPEDIA - GRIM LITTLEZ (talk) 04:08, 11 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - This piece about a Kean University student newspaper has nothing to do with "original research," although it is currently self-sourced. Content is useful and verifiable and I hope that independent sourcing will be forthcoming. I will tag for rescue. Carrite (talk) 14:05, 11 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: no third party sourcing in article, and no indication via Google News/Books that such will be forthcoming. Hrafn^Talk_Stalk^(P) 14:48, 11 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. —• Gene93k (talk) 23:38, 11 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of News-related deletion discussions. —• Gene93k (talk) 23:38, 11 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I'm not sure what sources can be given for a student newspaper. Obviously the university's own website (rather than the paper's website) can confirm its existence. Does three second place awards from the New Jersey Collegiate Press Association count as notable? Also, I know that "other stuff exists" isn't a great argument, but there are many many worse examples at Category:Student newspapers published in the United States. --Simple Bob^{a.k.a. The Spaminator} (Talk) 08:42, 12 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

WP:ITEXISTS also "isn't a great argument". And that no reliable third-party sources "can be given for a student newspaper" probably simply indicates that student newspapers typically aren't notable. And I wouldn't consider being second-placed among student newspapers in the state of New Jersey adds much to notability. Hrafn^Talk_Stalk^(P) 08:53, 12 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
What is needed is significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject (as per WP:GNG) a student paper is no different to any other publication in that respect, without it it has no place here. Mtking (talk) 09:14, 12 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Merge and redirect to the article about the university (catting the redirect so it appears in the student newspapers cat). The information is verifiable, and a proper description of a university will include some information about student publications. The sources don't indicate notability, but that doesn't mean that Wikipedia can't find room for a paragraph or two in another article about this publication. WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:55, 13 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It started with just six staff writers. The Tower's staff are journalism majors who get course credit required for the major by working on the paper, and also staff writers from other majors who write for the paper as an extracurricular activity. So is it a real newspaper, or just something given limited publication as a class project? What is their current circulation? Dream Focus 11:39, 13 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
While I understand and am sympathetic to WhatamIdoing's suggestion, was there even a single source for this that I didn't see? Otherwise I don't think there is anything verifiable in this article to merge. - Aaron Brenneman (talk) 14:24, 13 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.