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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. –Juliancolton | Talk 00:30, 17 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Tom Hyde

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Non notable person. I was not able to find him in three sources he gave. I was too lazy to look them all, but I think anyway he wasn't on the other ones. MW talk contribs 19:54, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. He appears notable in his field of chiropractic: he's an author of published books, lectured, and held key positions in trade associations. Also, the editor has written many Wikipedia articles on chiropractic, and is currently working on one in his userspace; also a bio of a chiropractor (although this one has passed away - obviously not self-promotional). I have seen his name mentioned in some (but not all) citations. Me Three (talk to me) 20:17, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • KEEP. This man is a household name in this field. He is, in fact, mentioned clearly in each of the references given. I wrote this piece, and it was NOT solicited in any way by the subject, so the "auto-promo" allegation is just wrong. He was Secretary-General (and is still editor of their newsletter) for FICS (Which is a "notable" International Organization. BTW: in many Int'l agencies, the Secretary-general is the real power behind the throne. (also BTW MeThree; Winterstein is a BLP, Janse has passed.)Д-рСДжП,ДС 20:25, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
My mistake, I've struck my note about the passing above. I suppose BLP applies on AfD pages too. Sorry! Me Three (talk to me) 13:32, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
(Comment)It should be clear to anyone who follows certain editors around, that some people feel that there is practically no one in the Chiropractic who is "notable" for Wiki, unless they are infamous, in which case these people would love to publicize that. However, it should be said, that in each profession, and in each niche area, there are those who are very well known, and have contributed much to their particular fields, and thus THEY are notable for that. Wiki:BIO makes that pretty clear, but still Chiropractic's foes will try to limit any good exposure for the profession.
As to the presence in other news media is concerned, the argument is specious as Dynamic Chiropractic has already many times been determined to be sufficient to establish "notability" (it would seem for exactly my argument here. Д-рСДжП,ДС 21:02, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: The article needs to be cleaned up, so it looks less like a CV and more like an encyclopedia article. However, he certainly seems notable within his field. Listed as "Person of the Year" by Dynamic Chiropractic (a reliable source), member of the commission that created the Mercy Guidelines (positive contribution to the field), "Chiropractic Sports Physician of the Year" by the Florida Chiropractic Association. He has had several high level positions with organizations within the field of Sports Chiropractic, including president of the ACA sports council, secretary general of the International Federation of Sports Chiropractic, and liason between FICS and the World Olympians Association. He was appointed by the Florida House of Representatives to the "Florida Olympics and Pan American Games task force". This is clearly not simply a sports chiropractor, chiropractor, or typical professor. DigitalC (talk) 16:15, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Most of the "sources" are in fact papers he has published; they do not actually indicate his notability directly. The other appointments are normal business appointments but they don't make the individual notable themselves. Read carefully too: he's not been president of ACA, he was president of its Sport Council for a time. If being a local leader in your profession is enough to be notable, then we've opened the floodgates. Shadowjams (talk) 07:05, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
(Comment) I have asked Shadowjams to reconsider his position, as Dr. Hyde was Secretary-General of a Notable WORLD agency (not just a national sports council), and continues to work with the WORLD Olympians Association. I think this was just a miscommunication, i.e. I think he just voted before he truly read this.Д-рСДжП,ДС 22:32, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I appreciate DR bringing the issue here, but after consideration I still stand by my original response, incorporating of course what he points out about the individual's professional positions. Shadowjams (talk) 09:24, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Shadowjams. I would like an outside source that specifically quotes something about him asserting his notability. All assertions of notability are for very minor things, and even in their aggregate they don't seem to confer notability, climbed mountains, represented chiropractors at international games, but not team physician. He was one of many, a number of times, and this is written about only by the subject himself. --IP69.226.103.13 | Talk about me. 21:37, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

[Comment] Are you people not reading the Bio, or just want to attack anything Chiropractic? One guy says; he's not notable because he was "only the president of a sports council" and completely overlooks that he was SECRETARY-GENERAL of the WORLD agency. The next, 69. something, attacks everything I do, and now claims that the man who was US TEAM DOCTOR at the PAN AM Games in 1987, and TEAM DOCTOR for the Miami Dolphins, "was not a team doctor"!! Literacy counts! What's really going on here???Д-рСДжП,ДС 01:55, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep - I agree with Digital C and Brangifer here. As the Secretary General of a world agency which is notable under wiki policy, he should be, himself, considered notable by that virtue alone. The fact that he was listed as the person of the year by a notable source, and his other qualifications seem to confirm this. I'm beginning to share DR's conviction that there is some kind of conspiracy against anything showing chiropractic in a positive light on wiki. Waynethegoblin (talk) 02:16, 13 January 2010 (UTC) — Waynethegoblin (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
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