Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Una Healy

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to The Saturdays. Most of the keep arguments are skirting policy at best and there is clear consensus that standalone articles are not justified in this case. Spartaz ^Humbug! 18:34, 3 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

per This sockpuppet report I have decided to void this AFD and relist the debate. Spartaz ^Humbug! 19:36, 7 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Una Healy

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Delete - these three singers have no notability outside of The Saturdays, therefore failing WP:BIO GaGaOohLaLa (talk) 20:20, 25 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to the band article per WP:MUSIC: "Note that members of notable bands are redirected to the band's article, not given individual articles, unless they have demonstrated individual notability for activity independent of the band, such as solo releases. Members of two notable bands are generally notable enough for their own article". This is a non-issue. De728631 (talk) 20:27, 25 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect per User:De728631, not notable for these individuals. ApprenticeFan ^{talk contribs} 02:01, 26 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. —J04n(talk page) 03:06, 26 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect Not notable outside of the band. ^Chillum 22:01, 26 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The three are notable as individuals as they have many things done outside the band. Facha93 (talk) 03:18, 28 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Such as...? GaGaOohLaLa (talk) 21:46, 28 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I agree with Facha93 somewhat. Una Healy was a relatively famous singer/songwriter before joining The Saturdays and wrote a number of songs. However, the same may not apply to Mollie King, who has only appeared on the X Factor outside The Saturdays and Vanessa White who was practically unknown before joining the band. ebygum (talk) 20:51, 28 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - "Una Healy was a relatively famous singer/songwriter before joining The Saturdays and wrote a number of songs". Hrm, that's funny; her article doesn't say so. GaGaOohLaLa (talk) 21:46, 28 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Singer has been notable as a singer-songwriter prior to the group. Article needs to be worked on, not deleted. In fact, I'd opt for keeping the article of each of the girls. Orane (talk) 00:31, 29 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep The Saturdays are just starting out and will only become more notable. All the other four have their own pages. It makes no sense to delete. After all Ringo Starr is not notable outside of The Beatles but I'm sure he has his own page. SmokeyTheCat •TALK• 18:06, 30 November 2009 (UTC) (I'm a bit confused as clicking on Mollie King's AfD brought me here and this is Una Healy's page but anyway I vote to keep all three pages on Mollie King, Una Healy and Vanessa White for the reasons stated above.)[reply]
- Comment: "just starting out and will only become more notable" is irrelevant. We don't care how notable they might be in the future—Wikipedia is not a crystal ball—but how notable they are now. — Gwalla | Talk 22:27, 30 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - response - the use of a WP:UPANDCOMING argument makes me wonder if the band really qualifies as notable, since that kind of phrasing is symptomatic of a fear that the subject actually isn't notable yet. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:26, 3 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Not that I'm advocating your WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS violation, but Ringo Starr is also a solo artist, MBE and actor. There is a clear sense of WP:ILIKEIT through these "keep" !votes. GaGaOohLaLa (talk) 21:54, 30 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to the band page. WP:MUSIC violation. The girls aren't notable alone. Bravedog (talk) 23:08, 30 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Looks as notable as (or more so than) many of the pop artistes we get on here. This one does seem to have done something. I've not heard of The Saturdays before (but then again you've probably never heard of Korpiklaani which is more my scene) so my like or dislike is not a question. Peridon (talk) 23:28, 30 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above refers to Una. Mollie seems to have a certain claim to a place here, but I'm not quite so sure about Vanessa outside the band. (Have decided The Saturdays are definitely not my scene - but then I recognise the notability and talent of Stevie Wonder even though I can't stand his music.) Peridon (talk) 23:36, 30 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep all, clearly pass WP:ENT and WP:GNG. --Jimbo^[online] 15:27, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to the group article. Three non-notable individuals. No evidence of this "singer-songwriter" thing either. Dale 23:46, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete no evidence of indepenent notability. NBeale (talk) 23:16, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect or Delete per above. Falcon8765 (talk) 23:36, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep there may be no independence of notability outsdie the group but keep them anayway. Mollie King auditioned for the X Factor before she was in the Saturdays as well. 666ph666 (talk) 14:10, 3 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of actual notability. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:26, 3 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.