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October 23

American singer, Toni Fisher.

American singer toni fisher was listed as being born on 4th. of December 1924. But other sources say that she was born 1931. What is the correct date? 180.150.38.127 (talk) 00:18, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi IP 180.150.38.127. The correct date of birth for Toni Fisher may be something that Wikipedia is unable to determine on its own. Wikipedia content, in principle, is only intended to reflect what's written in reliable sources; so, if reliable sources state that Fisher was born on December 4, 1924, then that's pretty much what the Wikipedia article is going to be expected to say as well. Of course, in some cases, reliable sources may give different dates of birth for the subject of an article, and in such cases Wikipedia content may reflect or otherwise make mention of such differences. So, if you think that's the case here, you can either try to add content to the article regarding the discrepancy in reliable sources with respect to her date of birth yourself, or you can start a discussion about it at Talk:Toni Fisher. Please be advised though that Wikipedia defines reliable sources in a specific way, and not everything found on the Internet is, for example, going to be considered a reliable source.

The Find a Grave page cited being cited as a source in the article isn't really considered a reliable source for Wikipedia's purposes per WP:RS/P#Find a Grave; however, somebody uploaded an image of a newspaper obituary for Fisher under her married name "Toni F. Monzello" to Find A Grave and that could be a reliable source for such information; unfortunately, only a clipping of the obituary is shown without any identifying information to the newspaper in comes from. The obituary does give her date of birth as December 4, 1924, but there's no real way to verify the source without knowing more about the paper it comes from. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:13, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

I searched a few Utah newspapers and the mortuary listed in the obit and was unable to find a this person under birth- or married-name. If you'd like good evidence why public records are not RS, the cemetery grave-directory mentioned in that obit lists the the lifespan as born April 12 1924 died November 1 1999. DMacks (talk) 04:41, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Undefined refs

If someone could help out the IP at Talk:Attention_Is_All_You_Need#undefined_references that would be awesome. Commander Keane (talk) 04:21, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Did it

Folly Mox (talk) 11:32, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

complementar respuesta...

podrían incluir respuesta de una AI... 181.203.90.143 (talk) 05:44, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

We don't want AI output. Its propositional content cannot be better than that of the junk with which it's fed. Its prose is slick and boring. -- Hoary (talk) 11:43, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Rename an article

There is a new article about Franz Meyer. German engineer. However, I discovered later that there is also an wikidata object : https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q94784222 belonging to a different Franz Meyer (with same birth and death date!). Therefore I think that it would be better to rename the article ..wiki/Franz_Meyer to wiki/Franz_Meyer_(engineer). I found that there is also a wikidata object https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q94784222 what may influence the wikipedia search to "Franz Meyer". Please help. --Nawennschon (talk) 06:50, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Additionally, it would be better to link this article to the de.wikipedia.org article: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_Meyer_(Ingenieur). --Nawennschon (talk) 06:52, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

@Nawennschon: What makes you think they are different people? Franz Meyer (Q94784222) appears consistent with Franz Meyer. The images look like the same person at different ages. Wikidata calls him an astronomer and physician. Franz Meyer says engineer but also says he improved astronomical telescopes. Maybe physician should have been physicist. Those words are sometimes confused. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:57, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

It is clarified. Franz Meyer (Q94784222) is a german engineer and optics designer, not an astronomer an physician. It was wrong linked to Wilhelm Franz Meyer (Q126389) due to an wrong entry in wikidata (since a long time). Wilhelm Franz Meyer never worked at Carl Zeiss Jena. --Nawennschon (talk) 21:49, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

@Nawennschon: I see that you translated de:Franz Meyer (Ingenieur) as Franz Meyer. "(Ingenieur)" is added to the German article name because there are several articles on de Wikipedia with similar names and de:Franz Meyer is the list of people of that name with de Wikipedia articles. en Wikipedia only has one such article , so it does not need the extra "(engineer)". The Wikidata item Franz Meyer (Q94784222) is linked to de:Franz Meyer (Ingenieur) so I have linked it to the new English article.

I would recommend reading help:Translation to understand the issues in translating from other Wikipedia projects, e.g. de Wikipedia does not require that content should have Wikipedia:Inline citations. TSventon (talk) 10:47, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

@Nawennschon: actually, I see that you wrote de:Franz Meyer (Ingenieur) recently, so hopefully you know where the information came from. TSventon (talk) 12:55, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi TSventon, I added an additional source as reference and tried to translate Kugelmeyer and Kettenmeyer. Maybe this complete sentence is not useful for readers in english. (You may delete it).

The trouble I had was some wrong entry in the wikidata QId (Q94784222) : to Franz Meyer, an physician and astronomer: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_Meyer_(Mathematiker) and also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Franz_Meyer With help of a Munich wikipedian this was corrected and now it seems ok. --Nawennschon (talk) 21:42, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

No need to rename the article. --Nawennschon (talk) 21:43, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Advanced question: cleanup templates broken on mobile

Bit of a tough question for the Help desk but it seems {{Specific section}} and {{Cleanup press release}} are broken on mobile. They don't display an icon and the text is cutoff. Maybe others in Category:Cleanup templates are borked also, someone needs to check. I couldn't think of the correct forum to ask this. Commander Keane (talk) 07:06, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

@Commander Keane: It appears to be deliberate. The omitted text is in the fix parameter of Template:Ambox#issue and fix. It gets the CSS class hide-when-compact. mw:Reading/Web/Projects/Mobile Page Issues#Proposed technical solutions suggests to hide it in mobile. If you always want to see the class in mobile then you can add .hide-when-compact {display:inline !important;} to Special:MyPage/minerva.css. The icon has the class mbox-image which is mentioned in mw:Recommendations for mobile friendly articles on Wikimedia wikis. You can display it with .mbox-image {display:inline !important;}. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:42, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

When do infant start seeing

When do infant start opening eyes 41.122.83.164 (talk) 09:46, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Try Infant visual development. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:13, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

A redirect that should not be a redirect!

I am lost, and I am afraid of making a huge mistake while trying to do the right thing..

The draft "Draft:Holy See–Syria relations" is mostly ready, but the title (Holy See–Syria relations) is already taken as a redirect (to a broad general subject) can it be posted instead of this redirect directly of is there a process.. same goes for: Holy See - Syria relations, Holy See-Syria relations, and Holy See – Syria relations; they all link to Foreign relations of the Holy See!

I made that draft simply out of frustration that such specific subjects (Holy See–Syria relations and mamy other countries not only Syria) are redirected to such a vastly broad subject. And when I finished my draft I found myself lost to how should I now make it take the place of the redirect. What should I do.. RamiPat (talk) 10:36, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

@RamiPat I don't think you have created many new articles before, so the safest thing to do might be to submit your draft for review by placing the template {{subst:submit}} at the top. The reviewer who accepts the draft will know how to replace the redirect with your new article. Alternatively, if you think the article will survive the new pages patrol, you can request it be moved over the existing redirect by asking at for help at WP:RMTR, as you can't do the move yourself. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:13, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

My draft is being declined

Could you please let me know why the draft is declined? Draft:Supervisory Technologies (SupTech) Cambridgesusu (talk) 12:27, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Have you seen the messages left by the reviewer? 331dot (talk) 12:31, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

The draft article leans heavily on inline spamlinks to information from something call CambridgeSuptechnologies, so I gave this user a spamusername block. --Orange Mike | Talk 20:07, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

To add to all the above, on Wikipedia, 'leverage' is something you get from using a lever, and 'solutions' are what chemists play around with. We don't speak middle-management-marketing-cliché here... AndyTheGrump (talk) 20:20, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

It must have been written by a salesperson. It uses all the best buzzwords, but it's not clear whether it's aiming to promote a company, a technology, a product, or something else. Maproom (talk) 22:20, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Changing uploaded page from user to article

I'd be very grateful for some help. I accidentally uploaded from Sandbox an article as a user - so it's currently user:James Andrew Gunn but it should be an article simply on James Andrew Gunn. Do you know if there's any way this can be changed. It's about a scientist of historical interest. The scientific box also doesn't look good and I don't know how to change this. I'd be so grateful for any help.

DrLizzieBurns (talk) 14:45, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Can an admin delete James Andrew Gunn and then move User:DrLizzieBurns/sandbox into it please. - X201 (talk) 15:14, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

thank you for any help you can offer - so so appreciated. I've tried creating the following page with the information I created below but it looks a bit odd with a re-direct notice. Does this work? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Andrew_Gunn?redirect=no DrLizzieBurns (talk) 15:21, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

it looks like you've helped - or at least I could create a page and removed the 'redirect notice'. Does this look OK? Very grateful for any help you brought. Many thanks. James Andrew Gunn DrLizzieBurns (talk) 15:24, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Best option would still be for admin to delete the page and move the sandbox, complete with original edit history. Better than a copy and paste move. - X201 (talk) 15:46, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

No heading

नरेंद्र बहादुरशाही अमेरिका काम नरेंद्र बहादुर शाही (talk) 15:09, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Please help me नरेंद्र बहादुर शाही (talk) 15:10, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

रोजगार नरेंद्र बहादुर शाही (talk) 15:11, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Please speak in English. ‹hamster717🐉› ^{(discuss anything!🐹✈️ • my contribs🌌🌠)} 15:15, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @नरेंद्र बहादुर शाही. Judging from what you have added to Talk:United States Department of Labor, you are saying that you want to work in America.

This is an encyclopaedia. We cannot help you with anything other than using and editing the encyclopaedia. ColinFine (talk) 15:34, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Recommendations for how and where to find good sources

I've considered looking into O Holy Night and working on the article, but I'm stuck on where to find genuine, quality sources. Most of my work is stuff that I can find from doing a quick Google search, and this search engine makes the process of research incredibly easy. With a subject like this, however, most sources are casual blogs or have a forced religious perspective. It doesn't help that details about the nature of this song, and the people who wrote it, are disputed and sometimes embellished.

What and where the best way to search for sources that are more high quality, and also older and pre-internet? This is not my domain, embarrassingly. I know nothing about The Wikipedia Library, for example, so please dumb it down for me. Give me links, refer me to other users, anything. Panini! • 🥪 15:54, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

THe only thing I can suggest is to use {{find sources}}, thus: Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL. Some of the options (particularly "books" and "scholar") may be helpful. ColinFine (talk) 16:29, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

@Panini! The specialist search engine you linked to was, I think, optimised for games. This search is a much better version for general topics (I've added the "O Holy Night" target). I think you qualify to join the Wikipedia Library and I would recommend you do (see WP:TWL) and note also on that page the link to the resource exchange, which can be used if you know of a source you want but can't reach it, e.g. because it is paywalled. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:25, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

.... looking at the Google search I just provided, it doesn't have much of use. A search at TWL gives plenty of hits including America Magazine: The Jesuit Review of Faith & Culture. Dec 2020, Vol. 223 Issue 7, p58-59 and USA Today Magazine. Dec 2010, Vol. 139 Issue 2787, p9 if you haven't seen them before. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:40, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks @Michael D. Turnbull and @ColinFine! I linked that specific custom search engine because I mostly write about games, so thats tje one that worked for me up until recently. These will definitely help. Once I get a gist of what type of sources I'm looking for I should be able to take it from there myself. Panini! • 🥪 15:23, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

First article and COI

Hi everyone, this is my first time in English Wikipedia since my first language is Italian. First thing, I have to say that I will be paid to create the English Wikipedia page of an Italian Wikipedia page. I read all the infos about COI, and I disclose client and employer, as said in the Wiki pages, in my personal space, in the talk page of the draft, and in comments when I was saving my work. I wrote the draft in my personal page and, if I understood correctly, I can ask help to expert editors to see if everything is alright before to submit my draft for review. Could you help me? This is the draft of the page I did: User:CC-Berenice/sandbox/Vittorio Emanuele Falsitta I would also know if I do correctly with the disclose part. Thank you so much for your time and help! Berenice CC-Berenice (talk) 16:35, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @CC-Berenice. Yes, you have declared your PAID status correctly, and created a draft which you may submit. I have not looked at the draft closely (and in particular, have not looked at any of the sources) but on the face of it, it looks OK. The purpose of submitting is for a reviewer to look closely and decide whether it is adequate: we do not normally do pre-reviews.

I suggest you simply submit it: unfortunately, it can take anything from minutes to months before it gets reviewed. You can work on it while it is waiting for a review. ColinFine (talk) 16:58, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Help, please

My account was deleted 82.77.70.160 (talk) 16:46, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello. Accounts cannot be deleted, so whatever happened, that was not it. Please clarify what your account was called, and why you think it was deleted. ColinFine (talk) 16:59, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

It occurs to me that newcomers sometimes think that Wikipedia is like social media and "your page" is the same thing as "your account". Perhaps what you mean is that your user page was deleted, presumably because it violated one of the prohibitions in UPNO.

If that is the case, then your account still exists, and you can log into it with your password. A user page is optional, but my guess is that you tried to create a Wikipedia article in it, and that is not the right place: see WP:YFA. If you were writing about yourself, please be aware that that is very very strongly discouraged: see autobiography. ColinFine (talk) 20:50, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Donations

I was willing to donate as requested,burwhen I try to pay wikiedia then asked m to increase the amount. Not a good strategy. A bit of an ambush, actually. 93.107.226.103 (talk) 16:50, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia editors have absolutely nothing to do with any aspect of donations, which are solicited by the Wikimedia Foundation. Please see donate:Problems donating ColinFine (talk) 17:01, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Welcome and thank you for your question about donations! To hide the fundraising banners, you can create an account and uncheck Preferences → Banners → Fundraising. The Wikimedia Foundation does not track the identity of IP addresses, so it doesn't know your age, income level or whether you donated in the past.
None of the Wikipedia volunteer editors here who add and improve content in articles receive any financial benefit. We all simply contribute our time because we care about building a great encyclopedia for you and innumerable others around the world to use.
If you cannot afford it, no one wants you to donate. Wikipedia is not at risk of shutting down, and the Wikimedia Foundation, which hosts the Wikipedia platform and is asking for these donations, is richer than ever.
You are welcome to communicate directly with the donor-relations team by emailing donate@wikimedia.org. Thank you! Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 21:21, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

MOS:PRONOUN in articles where it applies

Does MOS:PRONOUN apply to large scale objects and structures such as the Milky Way? The article Gamma Ray Burst has multiple of them (i.e. No gamma-ray bursts from within our own galaxy). GeorgeMemulous (talk) 18:58, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

@GeorgeMemulous: I think it should apply. The guideline is terse and clear — an article should never refer to its editors or readers using I, my, we, us, our, or similar words — and gives just two exceptions, neither of which apply to that article or similar ones. The Gamma Ray Burst article has around eight, most of which are, as you say, "our galaxy". I can't think of any good reason why those can't be replaced with the more encyclopaedic "the Milky Way galaxy", or a similar construct as appropriate for the surrounding words and context. Bazza 7 (talk) 19:12, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

@GeorgeMemulous: I suggest ask at WT:MOS if in doubt. There is a 2022 discussion you could check at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Archive 226#Does MOS:OUR cover "our Sun" where "our galaxy" seemed to be acceptable. TSventon (talk) 19:19, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

@GeorgeMemulous, if you bring it up at WT:MOS, you might suggest that they specify another exception when "our" applies to humankind as a whole, as in "our galaxy." FWIW, "our galaxy" appears on over 500 pages (and some other similar searches, e.g., "our species," also have a lot of hits), though of course that could just mean that a lot of people aren't paying attention to that part of the MOS. A search on "our galaxy" redirects to the Milky Way article and gives that as a prompt if you try to link the phrase "our galaxy." FactOrOpinion (talk) 19:49, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

I'd accept that GeorgeMemulous had a valid point if there were a chance of Wikipedia being used by beings from another galaxy. But my understanding of light cones convinces me that this isn't going to happen any time soon. Maproom (talk) 22:35, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Main Menu - how math blocks are displayed

If I'm not logged in, I see math blocks left justified. If I'm logged in, I see math blocks centered with smaller text.Rcgldr (talk) 03:16, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

@Rcgldr: Please link an example math block where you see the difference. What is your Skin and Math setting at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering? PrimeHunter (talk) 00:19, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: example math block

I've now figured it out. With math setting to SVG, I get left justified math blocks. With math setting to MathML, I get centered math blocks with smaller text. What was confusing was the first time I looked at math setting, it showed SVG, but my actual setting was MathML. Thanks for the help. Rcgldr (talk) 03:37, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

citations

I am Doug Rea, my page has a notice on it saying it needs further citations. Trying to find a way to do this is IMPOSSIBLE. You have the WORST set up I've ever seen. Talk about going down a rabbit hole with NO INSTRUCTION NOR SHORT CUT is infuriating. Get rid of that stupid notice !!!! Drdouglasre (talk) 23:36, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

We can help you find the instructions. I'd suggest first reading the autobiography policy. You may propose changes to the article about you by using the edit request wizard. You may also want to read Referencing for beginners. Yes, there is a learning curve, but this setup is what makes Wikipedia one of the most visited websites on this planet. 331dot (talk) 23:55, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Drdouglasre. It would help if you took on board that Doug Rea is not "your page", it is Wikipedia's page about you, neither you nor anyone directly connected with you should directly edit it because of your/their Conflict of interest (instead you/they should make WP:Edit requests on its Talk page), and everything in it should be cited to a published Reliable source independent of you, as a verifiable reference – when it was first created in 2006 by Cassrea (presumably someone associated with you), Wikipedia's standards were looser, but it's desirable that the standards of all articles be raised as high as possible, and certainly above the current minimum threshold (which currently this article doesn't meet).

As to difficulty, Wikipedia is not Social media, it's a crowdsourced encyclopedia and inevitably learning how to edit it correctly takes some time and effort, just like (for example) learning a musical instrument. (Would you let a complete tyro sit in with your band at a professional performance?) Hope this helps. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.6.86.81 (talk) 08:14, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

October 24

episodes of pulang araw

why do have no continue of the episodes of pulang araw and why all tba???????? 222.127.94.236 (talk) 02:33, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

The titles at Pulang Araw#Episodes were removed a few days ago with the explanation "episode titles not mentioned in the references".[1] I don't know the language. One of the meanings at wikt:TBA is "to be added" so I suppose it isn't completely wrong to say TBA although "to be announced" is probably a more common interpretation. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:31, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

How to reply for bulk producing articles

A newly joined wikipedia keeps on making bulks of new articles which are legit article names that should and could be made, but the thing is he just type a sentence in each article and keep on creatng new ones either with few words or totally nonsese (some pages he made only contain a reference tag). How should i reply in his talk page? What should i point out VihirLak007^hmu!/_duh. 07:35, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

@VihirLak007 It is very difficult to help you without having an example. Please specify the name of the other editor and a link to one of the articles which you think are "nonsese" [sic]. All new articles are reviewed by the new pages patrol so true nonsense should be rejected by them eventually. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:07, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

This might be a request for help on another wiki project. If so, @VihirLak007 will have to approach the admins on that project for help, not here. – robertsky (talk) 14:49, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

All @VihirLak007's contributions since this post have been on Sinhala Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 12:40, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

yes thanks. Got all sorted out VihirLak007^hmu!/_duh. 13:41, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

I am not able to recover my account

I had made an account. But I am not able to log in nor am I able to receive a forgot email link. 183.82.100.151 (talk) 08:59, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

If that's the case, you will need to create a new account and identify it as a successor to your old account("I am User5678, I was User1234 but lost access"). 331dot (talk) 09:07, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

See H:LOGIN. You might be able to do it if you found a browser on which you were currently logged in, but generally speaking, if you do not have the password or an active email address, the account cannot be recovered.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 11:10, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

new contribution

I'd like to post a translation of my German contribution. Where do I find the place to input the text? ZAYBXC (talk) 11:22, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Please use the Article Wizard. Note that the German Wikipedia has different policies, its up to you to make sure the subject you wrote about meets our policies, like notability. 331dot (talk) 11:26, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Please read Translation. Unless it is very clear that most of the citations in the De version are reliable, independent, and contain significant coverage of the subject, and that together they establish that the subject meets En Wikipedia's criteria for notability, I would advise treating this as a new article and following YFA, rather than trying to translate what you have. ColinFine (talk) 20:56, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

how can I update the page without sounding like for a promotional purpose?

Hi, I am trying to update my page but keep getting rejected by someone. How can I update the page without sounding like for a promotional purpose? Dan H Barouch (talk) 12:53, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

The Wikipedia article about you(not "your page" that you own and control) should not read like a resume of your professional accomplishments and qualifications. A Wikipedia article summarizes what independent reliable sources choose to say about the topic, not what it says about itself. Please see the autobiography policy. Please use the edit request wizard to propose edits to the article. I would highly suggest that you propose small, incremental changes one or two at a time, and not a wholesale rewrite, to increase the chances a volunteer will want to invest the time in reviewing your requests. 331dot (talk) 12:57, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

This has clear problems with WP:NOT. A Wikipedia article is not the place to post CVs, resumes etc, so this idea should be abandoned.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 13:01, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources.

What you know, think, or believe, even about yourself, has no place in any Wikipedia article unless it is backed up by a reliable published source. If you write what you want to say, rather than what people wholly unconnected with you have chosen to say about you, it is likely to sound promotional. ColinFine (talk) 20:58, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Translation doesn't publish

Hi I translated a page from German to English, but I can only publish it as a draft. What do I need to do to actually publish it?

User:Animexamera/Tibor_Zenker Animexamera (talk) 13:08, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Animexamera I fixed your link so it doesn't open up the edit window; the whole url is unnecessary. I added the appropriate information to your draft so you can submit it for a review. 331dot (talk) 13:10, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you!!! Animexamera (talk) 13:12, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Your post above was your 10th edit- that will allow you to move it to the encyclopedia yourself, if you wish(that's what was preventing it, that you lacked 10 edits) but I advise you to submit it for a review so any problems can be addressed first. 331dot (talk) 13:12, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

@Animexamera I took a quick look at your draft. here on en:Wikipedia we have a policy for biographies of living people which is very strict about inline citations. Your last sentence about the family is uncited and if you can't back that up you should remove it. It won't affect whether the subject is considered wikinotable, which is the main issue for now. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:00, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Applied! Animexamera (talk) 14:04, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

The Tempest

I just added a citation for Orgel where "citation needed" had previously appeared. I have a couple more to go there, too, but first I need to know whether I should worry about the red notes in subsequent Orgel footnotes from the same year. I tried to learn about the errors from various Wiki pages but couldn't figure it out. I also tried to see the previous version of the whole article after I published to see the previous Orgel reference - but couldn't figure that out either. CopyCustodian (talk) 14:24, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

The root cause seem to be that "Orgel, Stephen (1987) The Tempest" is listed under both "References" and "Sources" of the "Notes and references" section, so the algorithm has difficulty determining which entry the citation should direct to. Removing one of the Orgel entry and direct its citations to the other remaining entry should solve the problem. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 14:50, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

@CopyCustodian Your edit added a duplicate of the book already in the list of sources. That article is using the {{sfn}} method of doing sources and is a "good" article, so you should stick to that method of doing things. I suggest you self-revert you addition and learn about using that method of citing before you add more citations. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:00, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll try to do that. CopyCustodian (talk) 15:17, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Handling undisclosed paid editing

First, by WP:OUTING, we can look out the window and but can not directly name what we see outside the window no matter how obvious it is for anyone who can do the most basic searching. When there's clear and convincing evidence of UPE, but the accused plays hardball and denies everything and admits nothing, can we still leave the UPE hatnote in place on articles while noticeboard and talk discussion are taking place? The talk pages related to these policy seems to not have much activity these days, so I am asking here. The email response time from functionary is weeks out, if they respond at all. Graywalls (talk) 22:18, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Yes, you can leave that UPE/COI notice on the article, especially if you've sent evidence by email according to WP:AVOIDOUTING. Depending on the situation, admins can act even on non-public info (but obviously can't have a full discussion about the evidence on-wiki) and could mention that "non-public evidence filed..." even without stating the evidence itself. DMacks (talk) 04:20, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

October 25

Error Message

I am new to Wikipedia and trying to create a new article about my game development company and a game we are creating. I can't seem to publish the article or submit it for review. I get the error message: No stashed content found for 0/ade9d217-8059-11ef-b300-337c9d2b1324

I tried Googling what to do and looked at several articles from people with the same issue. What do I do to fix this? Nothing i've found is clear. Impossiblycreative (talk) 00:05, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

New accounts cannot directly create articles, you must submit it for a review via the Article Wizard, but you will need to radically change your approach. Wikipedia is not a place for companies to tell the world about themselves. Wikipedia articles summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the company, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company. Please see your first article.

You must read the information on your user talk page. You must also immediately change your username so it is individualistic, go to Special:GlobalRenameRequest. 331dot (talk) 00:10, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

@Impossiblycreative Just to mention that the "no stashed content" error message happens when you leave the visual editor open for too long without save/publishing an edit: I don't know exactly how long but it never happens in the source editor I normally use. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:54, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Help w/ custom signature and line breaks

When I reply to talk pages and discussions using (*) to make a bullet point or (:) to indent, my signature appears on the next line, as though a line break is inserted. I have played around with the placement of the markup, adding and removing the hyphens and emoji, and a few other things and I can't figure it out. I will reply to this to provide examples of what it looks like. What is causing this? My signature is formatted as:

--[[User:Myceteae|<span style="font-family: verdana; color: blue;"><b>MYCETEAE</b></span>]] 🍄‍🟫—[[User talk:Myceteae|<span style="font-family: verdana;"><i>talk</i></span>]]

Please let me know if me know if this is the wrong place to ask. I saw someone direct another editor here for a question about signatures. Many thanks! --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 00:23, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

• Here is an example with a bullet.

--MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 00:25, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

And here is one that is indented.

--MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 00:25, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

@Myceteae: You use "Enable quick replying" at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing. The newline was apparently added as a deliberate feature at phab:T263217. It also happens for the default signature. The tool thinks you are making a list and it wants the signature below the list and not at the end of the last list item. I don't use the reply tool but I think it's meant to automatically indent your post so maybe just try to not add your own indentation. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:09, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

• @PrimeHunter: By golly, it works! And per the link you shared, manually signing with ~~~~ overrides the automatic formatting when using quick reply. Big thanks! --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 01:59, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Church of Our Lady of Lourdes Klang

Please fix reference 9 - the date of publication is not clear to me. Sorry. 115.70.23.77 (talk) 00:41, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

The url that you posted says 10-18-24 as a date. 331dot (talk) 01:00, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Srbernadette, "??" is not an acceptable value for the field "date". Template:Cite web#Date says: "For no date, or 'undated', use |date=n.d.". NB not "??". As for what to do when you do know the date, Template:Cite web#Date explains this as well.

Now take a look at my own list of links I find useful. It's on my user page, so I never forget where to find it. Here's a suggestion:

1. Log in as Srbernadette when editing.
2. On your user page (User:Srbernadette), create and maintain a list of links you find useful.
3. Whenever stuck, start by consulting the relevant item(s) in your list of useful links.

How does that sound? -- Hoary (talk) 05:46, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Broken notifications

There is seemingly one notice in my inbox, but it's completely empty when I click on it. I also keep getting an internal error when I check my notifications page. This has been going on since noon today. Salmoonlight (talk) 03:21, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

@Salmoonlight Special:Notifications is working OK for me. If you click that link, do you still get the error message? If so, please copy the full message here. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:37, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

[b0b59a3d-ed84-4bfe-b6ff-a7be49a94d66] 2024-10-25 17:34:38: Fatal exception of type "InvalidArgumentException" Salmoonlight (talk) 17:35, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Well beyond my paygrade. If User:PrimeHunter doesn't turn up soon with an answer, you'll have to repeat the question at WP:VPT. Mike Turnbull (talk) 19:41, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Okay so I'm not the only one getting this error message then. Good to know. Procyon117 (talk) 11:25, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Ledes of articles about cities/places with two official names

Hi, could someone perhaps tell me how place names of places with two official names should appear in the lede? There are several places in Germany that also have an official Upper or Lower Sorbian name. The name which is used far more in English sources for those places is however the German one. So if a city is officially called Cottbus in German, and Chóśebuz in Lower Sorbian, should the lede then be like:

Cottbus (Lower Sorbian: Chóśebuz) or

Cottbus (Lower Sorbian: Chóśebuz) or

Cottbus or Chóśebuz (Lower Sorbian pronunciation: [ˈxɨɕɛbus])?

I'd mainly like to know, if the Lower Sorbian name should appear within or outside of the brackets. Thank you. Tibesti1 (talk) 04:47, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

The first one will be more inline with the writing conventions of Wikipedia. As stated in MOS:BOLDSYN, significant alternative names should also be in boldface. Regardless of the inclusion of brackets, "Lower Sorbian" should be placed before "Chóśebuz" to make it clear that it is a Lower Sorbian term. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 12:22, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

@Tutwakhamoe: Thank you and which version would be more inline with the conventions then:

Cottbus (German pronunciation: [ˈkɔtbʊs] ) or Lower Sorbian: Chóśebuz ([ˈxɨɕɛbus])

or

Cottbus (German pronunciation: [ˈkɔtbʊs] ; Lower Sorbian: Chóśebuz [ˈxɨɕɛbus])?

Thanks Tibesti1 (talk) 13:38, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

I can't find any guideline specifically for this. Personally I'd say the first one is better. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 02:20, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

In my opinion, definitely the first one, as otherwise you reduce the Lower Sorbian variant into a part of the parenthetical element. You might want to pose this question at the relevant talk page at WP:MOS; not sure exactly which section it'd go under, though. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:52, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Fixing erroneous information across multiple languages.

Please see the explanation of the error here. In short, the abbreviation "CSSHQ" is original research and was never used in any official Chinese (the country not the language) sources. I have cleaned all instances of "CSSHQ" and "Chongfu Shiyong Shiyan Hangtian Qi" (missing a "ke" and wrong placement of spaces) that I could find on en wiki, but the erroneous names had been spreaded to other language versions (excluding zh and ja) of the article (and some more other pages). As I do not speak those other languages, how may I seek help on those wikis? The phrase "CSSHQ" should be removed, and the pinyin should be written as "Kechongfushiyong shiyan hangtianqi", note the "ke" at the start and the position of the spaces. Also, should the CSSHQ redirect be deleted? 103.66.132.62 (talk) 09:56, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

It's up to you to have the skills needed to participate in another language wiki- you could post on the article talk page here to see if any speakers of the relevant language follow those articles and request their assistance; you could use Google Translate or your preferred translator to access the Help Desk of the other Wikipedias and request assistance that way(either with a translated statement or even just in English for others to translate). 331dot (talk) 10:04, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Is there a place on en wiki that I can easily seek assistance from editors of other language wiki? 103.66.132.62 (talk) 10:12, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

That is a very good question that I don't know the answer to; absent a specific forum this is probably the best place. I'm sure others will see this and, if they know the relevant language and are willing, will offer to help. 331dot (talk) 10:44, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

On the English Wikipedia, the Wikipedia:Local Embassy project seems fairly inactive. But on the Chinese Wikipedia, zh:Wikipedia:Guestbook for non-Chinese speakers seems more active. The Embassies are designed for cross-wiki content discussion, and therefore generally can use non-wp-native language. DMacks (talk) 14:38, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, I will leave a message at the embassies for the languages that I cannot handle. 103.66.132.62 (talk) 15:45, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

I have just compiled a list, as you can see, there is quite a lot, if anyone know of a place where I can more easily seek help please do let me know. Hopefully someone in en can help translate and spread the message to those wikis, otherwise I can only try my best to fix it myself or seek help on those wikis. 103.66.132.62 (talk) 11:00, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

103, the abbreviation CSSHQ appears to have originated in this September 2020 edit by sitebanned User:Sbb1413 (previously Soumya-8974).

I poked around meta: tryna find some sort of translation error noticeboard, but I think the closest thing they have is meta:Wikimedia Forum— their version of the Village Pump.

Unregistered editors can edit WP:RFD (confirmed in private tab), so you can list CSSHQ there. No one has ever linked to it before your OP above. Folly Mox (talk) 11:34, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Oh nvm I see you've removed incoming links to the CSSHQ redirect in recent edits, which is why WhatLinksHere is empty. Anyway. Folly Mox (talk) 11:38, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, I will visit the meta forum and rfd. 103.66.132.62 (talk) 11:46, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

IP editor. I'm not sure it helps but that acronym is used externally to Wikipedia. I found via the Wikidata item for our article a Google knowledge graph here. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:47, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Geez I should probably have checked for that before assuming CITOGENESIS. Slightly predating Sbb1413's diff linked above is Lennon, Annie (8 September 2020). "Reusable Chinese Space Craft Lands Returns Earth". [sic]. Labroots. Which uses the CSSHQ initialisation. Folly Mox (talk) 12:27, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Accounting for time zones, wasn't Sbb1413 half a day earlier? 103.66.132.62 (talk) 12:39, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

My bad, thought the dates are the same. But that doesn't change much, it wasn't from a reliable source and the wiki page definitely helped propagate it. 103.66.132.62 (talk) 15:43, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

One of the sources quoted in the Lennon piece is this sciencealert dated a day earlier, which also uses the acronym. Interestingly, that article links to the Wikipedia page, so it could be citogenesis! We were using the acronym on 4 September 2020. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:06, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

@Phoenix7777:. You created that article. Would you like to comment? Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:17, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

IP editor, CSSHQ was present in Phoenix7777's first version on 4 September 2020 here. It was later removed and then added back by Sbb1413. TSventon (talk) 16:34, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

I would assume he got that from "Gunter's space page", the 3rd source listed in the first version, and since 4th Sept was the day that the thing launched, all other mentions of the name probably referenced either wiki or Gunter. 103.66.132.62 (talk) 16:43, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Whoops sorry I provided the wrong diff. I saw it being added and didn't think to check earlier revisions. Folly Mox (talk) 17:47, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Search Function

On the Main Page, where is the search box?? 64.67.134.165 (talk) 12:32, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Under the loupe icon. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 13:00, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

If you don't see the search field, look for the icon and click on it. If you're using a Windows PC you can also use the key combination Alt+⇧ Shift+F. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:10, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Need help editing title of draft

I’ve created a draft but the topic needs parenthetical information to differentiate from other articles by the same name. I’m not finding a way to edit the title yet, and Wikipedia has not enabled the function for me to be able to move the page yet. Any suggestions? Hungryscamp (talk) 17:05, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia, User:Hungryscamp! I'd not worry about it; if and when the draft is accepted, the reviewer will figure out the right title to move it to. As long as it is a draft it does not matter. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 17:08, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

The biggest problem with Draft:Justin Johnson is that it is written in WP:PEACOCK language, and it will be going nowhere near full article status until this is fixed. I would also have to ask the usual question about whether WP:COI or WP:BOSS is involved here. Also, a Wikipedia biographical article should not read like a CV or resume.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 17:15, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. ColinFine (talk) 21:50, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

@Hungryscamp I see that you have moved the draft to main space yourself. I don't think this was a good idea for someone with as little experience at Wikipedia as you have. I have made some improvements, but the article is still not in great shape and may be deleted. I would urge you to move it back to draft and continue working on it there until it is approved by a reviewer. CodeTalker (talk) 03:59, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

I moved it back, as it's a BLP mess also. That's a good-faith attempt to help Hungryscamp, who I agree almost surely has a COI. DMacks (talk) 08:41, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Making changes to pages

I am the communication director at Barbers Hill ISD. I want to update the dress code entry with the latest information, but have been blocked, not allowed to make these changes myself. I want to update the entry to reflect that a federal judge has sided with the district, and that district judge ruled the district is NOT in violation of the CROWN Act. Most of the stuff in the entry is outdated and/or incorrect. I would be glad to discuss with someone. Thank you. 72.22.198.35 (talk) 17:40, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

@David Bloom -- BHISD: Assuming this is your account that has been engaged in an edit war, you absolutely need to stop directly editing the article, especially when you've been removing content that was cited from secondary sources. You have been brought to the conflict of interest noticeboard where you should address the concerns given there.
Additionally, you demonstrate a paid relationship with the subject, and so you should not be directly editing the article (barring situations outlined at WP:COIU) to begin with. Please make your edit requests on the article's talk page at Talk:Barbers Hill Independent School District, and explicitly disclose your paid relationship, preferably on your user page. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:50, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Randomly keep on getting logged out for no reason

I need help. Ever since I joined Wikipedia for the first time, for no reason, I keep on getting logged out of my account, whenever I get out of my computer for a hour or so. It has been bothering me for the past couple of days and I wondering if there is any way to fix this. [User:MatthewPlayThrough|MatthewPlayThrough]] (talk 18:01, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

@MatthewPlayThrough:Maybe a silly question, but do you click the "keep me logged in" button when logging in? Might your browser for some reason be deleting the authentication cookie? By the way, there seems to be a problem with your signature. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 18:04, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I click the "keep me logged in" button always when this happens to me. Side note, what is the problem with my signature. An error or something? [User:MatthewPlayThrough|MatthewPlayThrough]] (talk 18:27, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

You should add another opening bracket at the very front if you want it to link to your user page. On your issue, you may also want to ask at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical), if you do not get the answer you need here. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 18:31, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

I think I might have fix the problem. Did I correct the signature or there is still more I have to do? MatthewPlayThrough (talk) 18:39, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Your signature looks good now! :) -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 18:46, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank for helping me! :) MatthewPlayThrough (talk) 18:48, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

why was I removed?

my name is Jeffrey Johnson. I have been a working actor in Los Angeles for about 25 years. my IMDb page has over 50 entries. why was my Wikipedia page taken down? I was quite proud of it. let me know how I can go about reinstating it. hugs & kisses-jj (I am including my IMDb page: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1378502/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0_tt_0_nm_8_q_jeffrey%2520johnson) 2600:1700:E750:34D0:E452:6764:DC4F:460C (talk) 18:21, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jeffrey Johnson (actor) (2nd nomination) is where the discussion took place. IMDB is not sufficient, what is expected is significant coverage from relaible sources. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 18:25, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Fair or not, our general rule is that no accomplishment gets anyone an article. What you need is a couple articles with at least a full meaty paragraph (or so) about you, ideally in say People and Variety etc., but the Southampton News-Warrior and say San Diego Press etc. would do. Get your agent on it maybe. Herostratus (talk) 21:07, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

It appears that, like many people, you confuse Wikipedia with a promotional website. A Wikipedia article about you does not belong to you, is not controlled by you, may be edited by almost anybody in the world except you and your associates, will not necessarily say what you want it to say, and is not in any way for your benefit except incidentally. See an article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. ColinFine (talk) 21:55, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Adding all articles in a category to watchlist

Is it possible to add all articles in a category to my watchlist, or would I need to add each article individually? There's recently been a string of vandalism across several articles related to Blumhouse Productions thanks to encouragement from some youtubers, so I was planning to add everything in their list of films to my watchlist before seeing that the category has over 150 articles.

It's easy enough to just look up the text that keeps getting added to those articles, but it'd be even more convenient if I could have it automatically show up in my watchlist. LaffyTaffer (talk) 19:09, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

@LaffyTaffer As it happens, someone else asked about this a while ago. The response is now at WP:Help_desk/Archives/2023_November_1#Adding_all_articles_in_a_cat_to_my_watchlist?, which gives one suggestion. Mike Turnbull (talk) 19:30, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Whoops, should have looked it up better than I did haha. Thank you, this should work for what I need. LaffyTaffer (talk) 19:33, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

AfD Merges

The instructions on Wikipedia:Merging and on the template Afd-merge from are a little confusing. When I complete a merge from an AfD, should I add any merged-to merged-from templates to, or delete any AfD template from the destination and source pages talk pages? I'd been leaving the Afd templates as they were, but still adding the merged-to/from templates, but after reading a few different places I'm not sure if I was doing it right. penultimate_supper 🚀talk 20:20, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

I thin i got scammed and need to know how to get my business piblished

I submitted and paid a couple thousand bucks to some wikipedia business submission helper... they seemed legit... but then wanted more money to do PR links etc., and then i researched them and they were a scam :(

How and where do i go to submit my business I work for? I don't want to promote them, just list factual info... history, corporate governance, news citations, etc just like other companies in our space Flyusateam (talk) 22:56, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 23:22, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

That's about all we can do for you. If your company is notable, a legitimate editor will get around to writing about it at some point. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 23:24, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Gotcha, thanks for the info. Oh well, I'll just lick my wounds and my pride on this one hahahaha. Flyusateam (talk) 13:01, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia isn't a business directory, there is criteria for inclusion, written at WP:ORG. 331dot (talk) 23:45, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Need help finding my mistakes

•  Courtesy link: General Authority for Research and Identifying Missing Persons in Libya
•  Courtesy link: Draft:The General Authority for Search and Identification of Missing Persons, Libya

Can you explain to me where the mistakes are in my article so that I can edit it and allow me to publish it? I did not understand the mistake. I am a novice editor and I want to learn.

General Authority for Research and Identification of Missing Persons in Libya

No need to copy and paste the entire article on to this page when a link to the article is more than sufficient

The General Authority for Research and Identification of Missing Persons in Libya is a Libyan governmental institution established in 2013 by Resolution No. 1 of 2013 of the General National Congress[1]. The Authority aims to search for and identify missing persons in Libya, as a result of the conflicts and events that the country witnessed during the February 17, 2011 revolution and subsequent events.[1] Authority's Tasks Collecting information and data related to missing persons Conducting search and excavation operations for the remains of missing persons Analyzing DNA samples to identify missing persons Coordinating with relevant local and international entities Documenting cases of forced disappearance and human rights violations Authority's Achievements Since its establishment, the Authority has achieved numerous accomplishments in the field of searching for and identifying missing persons. According to a report issued by the Authority in 2020, more than 200 bodies were identified and returned to their families[2]. The Authority has also established a national database for missing persons that includes information on thousands of cases. Challenges The Authority faces several challenges in its work, including: Difficulty accessing some areas due to the security situation Lack of financial and technical resources Complexity of the process of collecting and analyzing samples The need for greater cooperation from local and international entities International Cooperation The Authority cooperates with many international organizations, such as the International Committee of the Red Cross[3] and the International Center for Transitional Justice, to enhance its capabilities and exchange expertise in the field of searching for and identifying missing persons.[2] References 1. Resolution No. 1 of 2013 of the General National Congress on the establishment of the General Authority for Research and Identification of Missing Persons .[3] 2. Annual Report of the General Authority for Research and Identification of Missing Persons, 2020 . [4] 3. "Libya: Cooperation with Libyan authorities in the search for missing persons", International Committee of the Red Cross, 2019 .[5] External Links - [International Commission on Missing Persons - Libya](https://www.icmp.int/where-we-work/middle-east-and-north-africa/libya/) - [International Committee of the Red Cross - Missing Persons](https://www.icrc.org/en/war-and-law/protected-persons/missing-persons)

Hanoohmmba (talk) 23:45, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Hanoohmmba, your draft is completely lacking in references to reliable independent sources that devote significant coverage to the topic. Your draft cannot possibly be accepted in its current form, because all an a acceptable article does is summarize such sources. Like many new editors, you have tried to write an article backwards. To use an older analogy, you are putting the cart before the horse. Cullen328 (talk) 09:28, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

October 26

Page protections

Is there a Special: page which contains all forms of page protection, similar to Special:ListGroupRights for UALs? I'm aware of WP:PP and mw:Protection, but I am trying to understand the interaction between the templates (e.g., shown in {{Protection templates}}) and the administrative actions on Wikipedia. Tule-hog (talk) 00:10, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

(Like 'protection bits/flags' or something, given how protection logs read?) Tule-hog (talk) 00:43, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Similarly, is there a MediaWiki: interface page for the little lock icons on protected pages, or is that something else? Tule-hog (talk) 00:59, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Protection policy has the various levels defined and compared. DMacks (talk) 08:32, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure this answers your question, but sometimes this is the only way to understand it: protection levels are initially set out in config files: [2] (do a search for 'wgRestrictionLevels' and have a browse around). -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 09:06, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

@Tule-hog: The lock icons are not added by MediaWiki but by a protection template on the page. The file names are set in Module:Protection banner/config. You can search it for "shackle". PrimeHunter (talk) 09:30, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Move button

Hello! My username is MiguelSaiyan. I'm autoconfirmed but i still didn't got the move button, how to fix it? MiguelSaiyan (talk) 08:51, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

What is it that you're trying to move? 331dot (talk) 09:00, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

The title of the article im making. MiguelSaiyan (talk) 09:05, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

@MiguelSaiyan: Special:Log/MiguelSaiyan shows your account creation. You become autoconfirmed in five hours when it's four days old. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:09, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

MiguelSaiyan I would add that even if you are technically capable of placing it in the encyclopedia yourself, it is highly recommended that you run it through the review process first, so that other eyes get on it as a draft and not as an article(where it will be treated more harshly as it's assumed you knew what you were doing). See WP:WIZARD. 331dot (talk) 09:13, 26 October 2024 (UTC)