Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Tanagers

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was: delete . Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 00:07, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

Portal:Tanagers

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(Time stamp for bot to properly relist.) — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 23:21, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

Unnecessary bird family portal. As Legacypac said in his nomination of Portal:Cotingas: "If you know what this family of birds is called, you don't need the portal to introduce you to the topic. If you don't know what the birds are called, you are unlikely to find this portal." CoolSkittle (talk) 19:06, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

• Delete and thanks for quoting me. Another useless portal. Put effort into improving the articles that made Wikipedia into the best place to get knowledge about topics. These automated portals are just useless distractions. Legacypac (talk) 19:11, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

The creator says they do these portals in 3 minutes and then it takes a week to get rid of them. Legacypac (talk) 19:29, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

• Comment - I had theorized that User:The Transhumanist was creating these portals because creating portals is fun. They questioned my assertion, implying that it is hard work to create portals and that they do it out of a sense of duty or something. Well, well. It appears that creating portals is fun. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:13, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
• Delete - With no insult to the tanagers or the woodpeckers. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:13, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
• Keep -Portal:Tanagers should be kept it is a good portal, and I did some improvements to it.Catfurball (talk) 16:15, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
• Keep – portals aren't intended as introductions to a topic, they are intended as navigation aids for a subject's coverage on Wikipedia. They are intended to supplement articles, by allowing users to browse material from the whole subject. Like the Main Page of Wikipedia, they provide a sampling of material from throughout the encyclopedia. They supplement the main article of a subject by having a link provided on that page. If you can find the subject, you can find the portal, and then the portal helps you survey additional information on the topic, contained in other articles. That's the core design principle of portals. The nominator and other deletionists here have not shown how this portal does not meet the portal guidelines, nor have they shown eligibility for deletion according to the deletion policy.    — The Transhumanist   19:45, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

I'm sure diffs are available where you call them introductions. Anyway "sample" = "introduction. Legacypac (talk) 23:35, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Portals calls them introductions and you wrote much of that page. Legacypac (talk) 19:40, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

• Delete Does not have the number of "high quality" articles that the Wikipedia:Portal/Guidelines requires. UnitedStatesian (talk) 19:30, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
• Delete I can't speak for WP:BIRDS but as a bird editor we have a enough work to do maintaining bird articles without having to worry about portals almost no one will ever look at. Sabine's Sunbird talk 20:46, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
• Comment – While portals include an introduction section, the scope of portals is the whole subject, and their purpose is as a navigation aid to that subject's coverage on Wikipedia. The guideline requires that a portal provides from a pool of 20 articles. This portal supplies a lot more than that. The portal is comprised of automated components, and is therefore self-updating. The maintenance it would require would be if programming errors occurred, which the programmers in the portals department fix as they are reported. See WT:WPPORTD.    — The Transhumanist   18:38, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

• The taxonomy of the nine-primaried bird families of South America is very fluid, so changes would need to be made to all these portals to remove articles from them as species jump from family to family. Sabine's Sunbird talk 17:06, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

• Move to a subpage of WP:WikiProject Portals. This auto-portal experiment looks very good, and impressive achievement, along the lines that have been discussed at WT:Portals for years. However, feedback from the community on these auto-portals is needed before launching them into PortalSpace. Given the resistance, WP:Bot policy needs to be followed. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 01:13, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Pretty birds make for good proof-of-concept auto-portals. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 05:11, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
• Keep — looks like a good portal to me, and since the process of keeping it up to date is almost entirely automated by extracting content from mainspace, it's not like it would be a big deal to fix it if something broke. —{{u|Goldenshimmer}} (they/their)｜😹｜✝️｜John 15:12｜☮️｜🍂｜T/C 13:08, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 23:21, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

• Delete: far too niche to be a useful portal topic. — Bilorv (he/him) _(talk) 01:06, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
• Keep – The rationale for deletion is ambiguous and subjective (e.g. "unnecessary", opinion about knowing the name of the family of birds, personal opinion about portals relative to topical introductions). Portals are a means to navigate topics, rather than serving as an introduction. It's also a relatively new portal, so why not allow time to see if it's used first, rather than eagerly deleting before its potential for use has time to occur? North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 22:36, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

I believe this will be speedied under X3 anyway. CoolSkittle (talk) 00:59, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

All the keep voters here are active members of the Portals Wikiprojectnand bear common responsibility for this portal mess. Legacypac (talk) 12:55, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

Sure, I've created some portals, but I didn't create this one; so what? You seem to like scolding people for contributing to areas of Wikipedia you don't like, such as portals. Portals are not all a "mess" at all. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 18:49, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

The community has frozen portal creation because they are a mess. The community has endorsed WP:X3 because portals are a mess. The community has deleted over 145 portals this year because they are a mess. Legacypac (talk) 15:35, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

The community has not "frozen" all portal creation. The consensus at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals) § Hiatus on mass creation of Portals was deemed by the closer as, "There is overwhelming support here for a hiatus on the creation of portals using semi-automated tools" (bold emphasis mine). Portals can still be manually created. Perhaps you misread the closing statement there? The discussion at WP:X3 is still occurring, but you mistakenly state that it has been endorsed. You are incorrect at this time regarding this matter; it's not a policy at this time. Please stop making up rules that don't exist yet. Thank you. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 16:38, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

• Delete. Hopelessly confused scope. Compare Category:Tanagers and Category:Thraupidae. The tanager article is purportedly about birds in the family Thraupidae, but there are birds that aren't members of that family that are called tanagers, and birds that are members of that family that aren't called tanagers. Different sections of the portal are seeded with different definitions of "tanager".Plantdrew (talk) 04:16, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
• Delete, per Plantdrew. Not only are these fine-grained portals useless for readers, this one's scope is so confused as to render it pointless. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 20:12, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
• Delete per Sabine's Sunbird and Planetdrew. This is not a good topic for a portal, and the confusion leads to incorrect information for our readers, and added unnecessary maintenance for our editors. Leviv ich 22:30, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

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