Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 3

December 3

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on December 3, 2024.

Conflict in Ukraine

Conflict in Ukraine → List of wars involving Ukraine (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Delete. The term "conflict" can refer to more than just armed confrontations or external disputes. This redirect is potentially misleading and may cause confusion. Cuvaj (talk) 18:12, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2025–26 I-League

2025–26 I-League → I-League (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

No relevant information at the target about the season, making the redirect currently misleading. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:03, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes Ritwik Mahata^t@lk 18:57, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gerecter

Gerecter → Kwak Jaesik (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Does not appear to be relevant to the target. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:35, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Cuphead speedrunning records

List of Cuphead speedrunning records → Speedrunning#History (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

The game Cuphead is not mentioned in that article, let alone a list of records. QuicoleJR (talk) 03:00, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I didn't find any mention of speedrunning on Cuphead as well. Ca ^{talk to me!} 03:25, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. This was a BLAR from 2020 (the list was in place for about 8 months prior). Maybe it would be better to restore and PROD it, just to cross our Ts and such? 35.139.154.158 (talk) 15:14, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think WP:NOTBURO applies here. Cuphead is a autoscrolling game and therefore is not very known for its speedrunning scene, unlike say super mario bros. Ca ^{talk to me!} 23:49, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

as usual, the question stands: why can't blars' history be evaluated in rfd? cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 14:39, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Further thoughts on the pre-BLAR page history?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 14:19, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

stash references 1-4 somewhere for later use, and then delete. speedrun.com is not a reliable source cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 14:37, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tower Cam

Tower Cam → Seatack, Virginia (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

I found this while searching for "Tower camera", which is exactly what it sounds like. Instead, it redirected me to this random town in Virginia with zero mention of this "Tower Cam" and with zero pageviews. Who knows, maybe I'll make a Tower Cam article in the future, but for right now this shouldn't redirect here. (Tower cameras have captured numerous violent tornadoes, and if anything deserve their own article.) E_F⁵ 14:15, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The only connection I can find here is that there is a tower cam at the Virginia Beach Surf & Rescue Museum, which is located in this neighborhood. That would definitely not be a primary topic. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 14:32, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alternative language redirects to Shohei Ohtani

Шохей Отані → Shohei Ohtani (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Шохей Отани → Shohei Ohtani (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
شوهي أوتاني → Shohei Ohtani (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
शोहेई ओहतानी → Shohei Ohtani (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
שוהי אותני → Shohei Ohtani (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Redirects of Shohei's Ohtani's name from other languages (in order listed that they appear nomination: Ukrainian, Russian, Arabic, Hindi, and Hebrew) that are not relevant to the target. Delete per WP:RLANG. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:49, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all per nom. Ohtani is not affined to Arabic nor any Slavic languages Ca ^{talk to me!} 13:51, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ca: For full transparency, you replied prior to me merging the noms, and adding the Hindi nom to the page. I've now combined all four into one nomination and, based on your comment, I believe you had intended to vote on all 3 that had been here (all except for the Hindi). Just pinging to let you know that I did include your comment after I merged all four. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:54, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for notifying me. I support deletion of the Hindi name as well. Ca ^{talk to me!} 13:57, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Awkwardly, again in the name of transparency, I've added two more redirects from Hebrew and Bhojpuri. I do not want your vote to be mispresented in any way, hence the ping again @Ca. I've also checked all links to Shohei Ohtani and there are no other alternative language ones that I intend to nominate :P Hey man im josh (talk) 13:59, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I support the deletion of the new entries as well, except for שभोजपुरी, whose inclusion appears to a mistake. Ca ^{talk to me!} 14:07, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What... how did I... my bad. Removing that, thank you for pointing that out. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:19, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete the redirects to the baseball player. שभोजपुरी should be split out of this bundle since it would have a different reasoning. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 14:02, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@MPGuy2824: That was a mistake on my part, my bad. It's been removed and the page un-nominated. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:21, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete WP:FORRED. Maybe if Shohei was Russian, Tajik, Arabic, Indian or from Isreal one of these redirects would've made sense. But, nope, Shohei is Japanese so only 大谷翔平 should exist (actually, 大谷翔平 doesn't exist but it probably should since it's directly mentioned in the article) Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 03:49, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

CraftBukkit

CraftBukkit → Minecraft#Multiplayer (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Unmentioned in target nor in Minecraft server Ca ^{talk to me!} 13:48, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For context, CraftBukkit is a plugin for hosting minecraft servers Ca ^{talk to me!} 13:49, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

delete Not mentioned at target, doesn't seem significant enough to bother mentioning it. Andy Dingley (talk) 15:10, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chaur

Chaur → Chair (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Implausible misspelling; low pageviews(1 in last 30 days); poteiential for confusion with the Sikhism concept of Chaur [1]. Ca ^{talk to me!} 13:45, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

delete per the second half of the nom's reasoning. plausible tpyo though cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 13:46, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Sikhism Delete, I thought Sikhism would've at least mentioned Chaur Sahib in passing, but it doesn't seem like it. Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 03:52, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

polypifer

Polypifer → Coral (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Poypifer → Coral (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

refers to organisms formed from polyps, including but not limited to coral. suggest retargeting there. no opinion on the plausibility of the second redirect cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 13:22, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Save battery

Save battery → ROM cartridge (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

i know what this means... but the article doesn't mention it in detail (only in passing as an image's caption), or anything to clarify that it doesn't mean methods of saving battery energy. not directly mentioned at volatile memory either cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 13:08, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete not about NVRAM backup battery, or CMOS clock backup battery, or battery saver apps, etc -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 20:52, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Battery save

Battery save → ROM cartridge (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

possible confusion with other methods of "saving" "batteries"? cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 12:59, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete not about NVRAM backup battery, or CMOS clock backup battery, or battery saver apps, etc -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 20:52, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tshiamo Nong

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was withdrawn. (non-admin closure) cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 13:47, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tshiamo Nong → Model (person) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This person is a model, but not famous enough to be mentioned in the Model (person) article. No good alternative presents itself for a retarget. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 11:56, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I'd like to withdraw this given that Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 2#Tshiamo Nong is still open. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 11:59, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

2027 Formula One World Championship

2027 Formula One World Championship → Formula One (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

"There's no relevant information for the 2027 season at the target, so if anybody were to search for this page's title, the target would be misleading. Yes, there are contracted grand prix through x years, but that's not really what people are actually trying to find when they search for this term." I've quoted Hey man im josh from the recent AfD who articulated this much better than I could. There was a consensus against redirect at said AfD (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2027 Formula One World Championship), so I don't know why this was recreated. SSSB (talk) 07:07, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:CRYSTAL. Note that G4 does not apply here because the original page was an article while the recreated page is a redirect. Wooden sword (Minecraft) (talk) 09:33, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I don't think the AfD consensus against redirecting, but there is no mention in the target. Ca ^{talk to me!} 10:59, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: I agree that the AfD does not support the use of G4, but I also believe that the redirect is currently misleading given there is no information at the target. Note that the redirects for 2028–2034 were deleted about a month ago based on this RfD. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:20, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ac/DC

Ac/DC → AC/DC (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Unnecessary redirect; When would a user have AC lowercased and DC uppercased? Hexware (talk) 16:30, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. HorrorLover555 (talk) 19:08, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Seems like textbook WP:CHEAP to me with no chance of ambiguity. Steel1943 (talk) 21:35, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We do have an entire AC/DC (disambiguation) ;; and the non-music electrical topic; the war of the currents between Tesla and Edison -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 23:41, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Harmless. And I'm not convinced the band is primary anyway, but assuming it is there's no reason it's not primary for the miscapitalization that's correct for nothing. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 05:40, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete recently created mix of lower and uppercase. If this was an old redirect, I would have agreed to keep. I see no reason for editors to create new redirects with half-and-half cases. Jay 💬 15:31, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Jay. Harmless, but recently created. Mdewman6 (talk) 08:56, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 05:01, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

keep. while the inconsistent capitalization hurts me as much as people who use "it's" as the possessive form of "it" (do y'all say "hi's"?), it's not really implausible in any way. at this point, it's kind of not recent anymore, so there goes that, i guess cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 11:41, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

no big opinion on retargeting to the dab, by the way cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 11:41, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Textbook WP:CHEAP. I prefer not to target the DAB directly, the hatnote at the current target is enough to catch other use cases... the band does have some claim to WP:PTOPIC here. To flip nom's rational: Deletion of this redirect is unnecessary. Fieari (talk) 06:48, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete doesn't seem useful to have redirects with unusual capitalization per WP:UNNATURAL. Crouch, Swale (talk) 22:30, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:UNNATURAL. Ca ^{talk to me!} 23:47, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 06:43, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This is literally the kind of scenario WP:CHEAP was made for Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 07:01, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Db-pagemove

Template:Db-pagemove → Template:db-g3 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Retarget to Template:Db-move to respect the present, not decade-old oddities. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 05:48, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget per nom. G3 is a CSD for vandalism, not technical page moves. Ca ^{talk to me!} 10:45, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak retarget seems a more likely target but maybe due to RMT where most such moves are requested its not sugnificantly more common than redirects created during cleanup of page move vandalism. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:32, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cicindela redirects

Cicindela (Calomera) → Cicindela (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Cicindela (Cicindelidia) → Cicindela (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Subgenera, or species for that matter, should not redirect back to the genus unless they are significantly discussed there. Suggest retargetting to the appropriate sections of List of Cicindela species, where they are discussed, or deleting. Cremastra ‹ u — c › 23:40, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Speaking as the creator of these redirects, I have no personal preference here, but I point out that these two redirects of mine were originally redirects to Calomera and Cicindelidia, which were at the time separate articles from Cicindela. Also, these redirects are still linked to by the articles Cicindela littoralis and Cicindela floridana as well as the template Template:Taxonomy/Cicindela (Cicindelidia) Monster Iestyn (talk) 00:11, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Any further thoughts?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 02:21, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to the appropriate places in List of Cicindela species. Since the list is not actually in sections right now, I suggest we insert link anchors at "Subgenus Calomera" and at "Cicindelidia floridana", and link to those. Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:33, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Trump Won

Trump Won → 2024 United States presidential election (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Redirect seems to be getting a few pageviews, however Trump also won in 2016, so i suggest either deleting it or convert it to disambiguation. Airtransat236 (talk | contribs) 22:39, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - I don't really see the point of a "Trump Won" page even as a redirect

Artem...^Talk 22:44, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Ambiguous and unhelpful. QuicoleJR (talk) 23:17, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete This could describe a number of things the subject won, including contracts, honors and contests. It's also capitalized so it's non-sensical outside the context of a Twitter insult. Nate • (chatter) 23:53, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Convert to disambiguation page. We can't redirect this to both 2016 United States presidential election and 2024 United States presidential election. Cyber the tiger (talk) 22:09, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That would be just a WP:2DABS. Also, a related dab already exists: Presidency of Donald Trump. Web-julio (talk) 17:23, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete This title is extremely vague and unamenable to disambiguation. Ca ^{talk to me!} 05:55, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I support a retarget per Michael Aurel below Ca ^{talk to me!} 00:18, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete disambiguation would require adding all the court cases he's won over the decades -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 06:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete There are a lot of things this could refer to (court cases, elections, debates, etc.). User Page Talk Contributions Sheriff U3 17:18, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Attempts to overturn the 2020 United States presidential election#"Trump won" and "big lie". This has been the target for most of this redirect's lifetime (it was changed [2] by an IP earlier this month), and, seeing as the section is about the slogan itself, with the phrase being present in the section title, this redirect pointing there is useful and accurate; also note the pageviews, 12 people are using this each month. While in a literal sense, yes, Trump has "won" various things, anyone looking for one of the elections is surely going to search "2016 election" or "2024 election" (or similar), whereas a search for "Trump Won" specifically is very likely looking for this slogan in particular. – Michael Aurel (talk) 18:59, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, too ambiguous to be useful. Esolo5002 (talk) 20:00, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong retarget per the above reply by @Michael Aurel. I think that this is my first time ever prefixing a !vote with "Strong". I had come across this redirect a few days ago and was visiting to restore its former target when I realized that it has been listed for discussion. –Gluonz^{talk contribs} 22:02, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

'Retarget back, since this slogan has coverage in a section for it, but I can see when it becomes ambiguous, eventually. --MikutoH ^talk! 23:30, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
'Retarget back to Attempts to overturn the 2020 United States presidential election#"Trump won" and "big lie".--JasonMacker (talk) 04:13, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Bad place to redirect, it wouldn't be fair to the 2016 and 2024 elections if this redirected to the 2020 election (and vice versa). 2600:1700:9856:E900:B91C:813:5D86:D2C7 (talk) 22:56, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do the other elections make noteworthy use of the phrase? -- Tavix ^(talk) 18:47, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Delete or retarget?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 02:18, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong retarget to Presidency of Donald Trump Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 05:27, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Attempts to overturn the 2020 United States presidential election#"Trump won" and "big lie" where it's explained. -- Tavix ^(talk) 18:47, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Paw, Paw

Paw, Paw → Martha Stewart#Personal life (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

The word "paw" doesn't appear anywhere in the target article. 2A0E:1D47:9085:D200:434F:7EAA:14AD:DD9B (talk) 13:45, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak retarget to Paw Paw (disambiguation) -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 14:36, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Apparently Paw Paw was one of her dogs, which (surprise surprise) aren't important enough to mention by name in her bio article. There's no reason why it should have had the comma in there in the first place, nor is there any particular reason to keep this around for any of the various other uses, none of which make any sense with a comma inserted. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 17:11, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The comma makes this very implausible to target anywhere. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:03, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above. Not sure if there's any good target in the dab page. --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:14, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Paw Paw (disambiguation). It got 7 hits this year, might as well send those hits to something plausible. I disagree that a comma is implausible for all of the targets at that dab. I mean, sure, a comma is not ACCURATE for any of the targets, but accurate is not the same thing as plausible. People make mistakes, after all. Fieari (talk) 05:36, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
7 hits in a year is background noise. Arguing for a retarget is the same as arguing for a delete, and then for the creation of a new redirect....a creation that no one would ever reasonably make, because it'd be useless. We don't need to bend over backwards to try to find a home for wayward, useless redirects. Nothing of value is lost from deletion. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 16:37, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retargeting is not delete in RfD. But in AfD, a redirect in general is considered a deletion, so this redirect could be seen as deleted already, following your logic. Web-julio (talk) 18:04, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

At RfD, supporting retargeting by no means implies support of deletion of the original redirect. Someone giving their position as retargeting is not saying anything as to whether they think the original redirect ought to be deleted or kept in a hypothetical world without the choice of an alternative target; all they are saying is that the alternative target is a better target than the original one. – Michael Aurel (talk) 19:54, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not true. A choice to retarget is equivalent to deleting, and then making a new redirect with a new target (barring page history concerns, which isn't really an issue here). Just because a target is better doesn't mean it's good enough to go out of our way to create anew. Unlike articles, deletion of redirects is relatively harmless, since they can always be recreated with very little effort if needed. And in this case, as has been demonstrated, this is a particularly useless redirect. No one in their right mind would make this redirect, hence, it should be deleted, even if you did identify a technically "better" target. "Better" ≠ "good enough". 35.139.154.158 (talk) 20:49, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If "X" is a redirect to "Y", and at RfD I support retargeting "X" to "Z", all this means is that I think "Z" is a better target than "Y". I might still think that, if "Z" weren't a possible target, "X" pointing to "Y" would be a perfectly fine redirect. This is all I said, and nothing about this is "not true". – Michael Aurel (talk) 22:33, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
all this means is that I think "Z" is a better target than "Y". I might still think that, if "Z" weren't a possible target, "X" pointing to "Y" would be a perfectly fine redirect.. It might in other cases, but no one here has suggested that the current target is reasonable. My line of reasoning here is under the assumption that it's between a choice to delete or retarget, which this one pretty clearly is. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 23:01, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, but I was only speaking in general, as indicated by me starting my comment with At RfD. – Michael Aurel (talk) 01:55, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: (non-admin comment) Delete or retarget?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JuniperChill (talk) 21:59, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as implausible. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 22:13, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Paw Paw per Fieari. Web-julio (talk) 18:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Paw Paw per Fieari. Given the pronunciation of "Paw Paw", the presence of a comma in the middle phonetically makes sense, so this isn't unnatural as would be, for instance, "Donald, Trump". – Michael Aurel (talk) 19:19, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry, what? No it doesn't. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 20:43, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You say it with a slight pause in the middle, no? That's how it's said where I'm from, like the first two "row"s in "row, row, row your boat". All I'm saying is that this is different to how you say a name, where there's no sort of gap or pause in between the first name and surname, so it isn't as unnatural. – Michael Aurel (talk) 22:18, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"You say it with a slight pause in the middle, no?" Um, no, you don't, and I can't imagine that anyone would do so. Your analogy is also inapt because a) it's a list, where you add commas anyway, and b) it's a song, and there's an equivalent pause between the 3rd "row" and "boat", despite there being no comma there. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 23:01, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, well, I don't think so, but if you feel strongly about it, pretend I didn't include the added reason, like the commenter directly above. – Michael Aurel (talk) 01:55, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Same question as previous relister… Delete or retarget?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 02:17, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Paw Paw. Yeah, this one seems rather obvious to me :P Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 05:33, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just noting that this page can't be retargeted to Paw Paw (disambiguation) because this is a redirect page. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 09:04, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]