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How to edit page and add citations?

I’ve been trying to add new information on the Wikipedia article regarding Illinois’s Protect Illinois Communities Act, though I don’t know how to edit via the simple and direct way (without the brackets and other characters used for Wikipedia functions). If someone could help me out with adding this information or do it for me, that would be great. LordOfWalruses (talk) 01:18, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

If you use VisualEditor on the Protect Illinois Communities Act article, does that allow you to edit it? Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 01:29, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

That helped with adding the information, though I don’t know how to cite the source.

(This is the source in case you’re wondering: https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/chicago/news/illinois-assault-weapons-ban-ruled-unconstitutional/ ) LordOfWalruses (talk) 03:08, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Hello, LordOfWalruses. If you want to contribute to Wikipedia, then you need to learn how to create references to reliable sources. It is not that difficult. Please read and study Referencing for beginners, and if you have any specific questions, ask then here at the Teahouse. Cullen328 (talk) 03:37, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Sure thing; I apologize for any inconvenience or confusion I caused amongst other users. If you could send that link to my talk page so that I can always know how to access it (even when this conversation is removed), that would be great. LordOfWalruses (talk) 05:01, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Sent. David notMD (talk) 09:55, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

@LordOfWalruses: Please don't apologise. This page exists specifically for new editors to ask questions like yours. Ask as many as you like. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:40, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

@LordOfWalruses, if it helps, you can put links to any handy Wikipedia things you want to be able to find easily on your user page. You can access your user page by clicking on your name either at the end of comments or on the top right of your screen. Your user page link is currently red, which means the page doesn't exist yet, so you'll start off by simply creating the page and adding whatever you like. Mine is full of links I find useful; you're welcome to investigate and use 'edit source' to see the Wikipedia coding I used. That should help you understand how all the linking shenanigans work! Feel free to post on my talk page if you have any questions about how I set it up. Welcome and happy editing! StartGrammarTime (talk) 21:57, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Dear StratGrammarTime, I would like to ask you for help. I use the icon in the upper left corner of the page to link information and quotes from external websites. For example, I am currently trying to create a page about the academic painter Stano Bubán

Editors keep pointing out to me that I am using the wrong way of linking. I have asked several times in various discussion places to send me a link to generate the correct templates. So far, no one has sent me such a link. My question is: Is there a template generator to link to external websites? I assume that there certainly is one. Please, could you send me a link to generate the correct templates? Thank you. Have a nice day. Jozef Heriban (talk) 00:17, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Redirects and Sources

A while ago I was looking at the page for Xylocopa aerata when I noticed one of the plants it is described feeding at, Pultenaea elliptica, was at the time a redlink. Thinking it would be an interesting project as my first real page, I did some research and discovered it is actually the previous name for Pultenaea tuberculata. I've already made Pultenaea elliptica a redirect to the correct page. I know this is probably a stupid question, but do I change the link in Xylocopa aerata from the redirect to the correct name, even though that was probably the name used in the source? PineappleWizard123 (talk) 03:42, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Hello, PineappleWizard123. In my opinion, the best solution is to display the name used in the cited source. If that name redirects to a more current name for the same species, there is nothing wrong with that. Cullen328 (talk) 04:24, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

@PineappleWizard123 An alternative if you didn't want to create the redirect would have been to use a piped link. The syntax [[Pultenaea tuberculata|Pultenaea elliptica]] would give a blue-link direct to the correct article but would appear to the reader in the old name. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:01, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

@PineappleWizard123: WT:WikiProject Plants would be a good place to get subject-specialist advice. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:36, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

@PineappleWizard123: I can't seem to find any mention that that X. aerata feeds on any Pultenaea species online, as only Wikipedia mirrors report that. I would recommend just changing it to Pultenaea tuberculata (since the old name is from the 19th century and obsolete) and adding a ({{CN}}) tag to the statement, or locating a source(s), which I can't seem to find. UserMemer (chat) Tribs 20:42, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Something I think deserves a page. . .

There's a fantastic little game called Smile For Me, developed by LimboLane. I bet you're wondering "Hey, if you want this to have a page so badly, why not do it yourself!?" I gladly would, but I am severely inexperienced. As you may not know, I have only been on Wikipedia as an editor for less than a week. I just wanted to bring this fantastic little game to light and hope some people agree with me. Thanks, Wikipedians! Shovel Shenanigans (talk) 19:11, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

I had a similar situation with the game Redout 2. If there aren't any major publications like IGN or Kotaku running multiple articles on it, then any article made about your game will get nuked when it's checked for notability. ApteryxRainWing | Roar at me | My contributions 19:14, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Looking at the search results, there are articles about it on both of those sites, as well as Metacritic. So there's hope! Shovel Shenanigans (talk) 21:48, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

I have no experience with using this tool myself, but you can check out WP:AfC and see if they have any resources to help you develop this article. Don't be afraid to contribute, people are very willing to help! /home/gracen/ (yell at me here) 20:59, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

That definitely helps. I'll probably get around to it eventually when I have more experience :) Shovel Shenanigans (talk) 21:47, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

@GracenC, I'm not sure what you mean by "tool"? AfC isn't a tool, it's a process that editors who cannot create articles in mainspace can use to create articles. Experienced editors review the articles and accept or decline them based on whether they meet some basic standards, like WP:N. I wouldn't suggest that anyone use AfC if they don't have to - if you create an unsuitable article in mainspace, the patrollers from WP:NPP will notice it and give you suggestions or move it to draft space. -- asilvering (talk) 03:16, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Apologies, that was poor word choice on my part. Also, thanks for the information; I was under the impression it was recommended for all new editors to go through AfC rather than just publishing to mainspace. /home/gracen/ (yell at me here) 03:30, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Personally, as an AfC reviewer I wouldn't recommend it. If you submit to AfC, you have to wait until a reviewer sees and accepts your article for it to get to mainspace. Sometimes that can be a long wait. Meanwhile, if you create directly in mainspace and your article wouldn't pass AfC, NPP will draftify it (so, you'll end up in the AfC queue in the end anyway), and if it would pass, they'll mark it as patrolled, maybe with some maintenance tags, and you won't have had to wait in the AfC queue. -- asilvering (talk) 03:34, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

I have to disagree with asilvering. I also review AFC articles. And even though I am an experienced editor, I have submitted an article or two to AFC just to get a reviewer's eyes on it to gain suggestions for improvement. NPP is overwhelmed, they do not catch every problem, and a lot of junk that should never have been in main space ends up staying there.

There are no deadlines on Wikipedia for stuff like this. If I have to wait 3 months for a draft to be reviewed, so be it, I don't care, I am in no hurry to get my articles published.

Yes, it is recommended for new editors to go through AFC. Bypassing AFC potentially creates needless work for others to clean up after you, if what you created in main space isn't actually ready for publication there. ~Anachronist (talk) 04:14, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

@Anachronist, you're autopatrolled. NPP will miss all of your articles, because they aren't looking at them. -- asilvering (talk) 04:16, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

I wasn't referring to my own articles in the context of NPP. Looking at what I wrote, I can see how it would come across that way. ~Anachronist (talk) 05:19, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

If the above exchange confuses any new Wikipedians: I think it shows an acceptable difference in opinion. If anyone wants yet another, I would've suggested going to the Video games WikiProject, showing them three sources, and asking if the subject seems to satisfy criteria for a standalone article (what Wikipedia calls "notability"). Especially with the changing landscape of gaming journalism (the and video game industry in general), what sources are reliable or not may not be obvious. If the answer is "not notable", then it saves you the effort of writing a draft (per Anachronist) or an article (per asilvering). Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 14:03, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

This definitely clears up the issue for me. All input is greatly appreciated, but thank you for dusting it off! Shovel Shenanigans (talk) 17:59, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

MA dissertation

Hi, is an MA dissertation with a professor advisor a reliable source ? One is being referenced at Nosso Senhor dos Passos Chapel, regards Atlantic306 (talk) 20:42, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Atlantic306, usually no. We require the sources to be published, and MA dissertations are rarely published. Doctorate dissertations are sometimes published, but should be used with care. More info at WP:DISSERTATION. qcne (talk) 21:00, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for that advice, i'll ask the article editor to find a replacement reference, regards Atlantic306 (talk) 21:04, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Qcne, I'm not sure I've got the same working definition of published. This source may never have been printed off after being added to the university's records, but it is clearly publically accessible, and even has an hdl:10183/202436 and declared licensing (CC-BY-NC-SA). We had a convo about the acceptability of MA dissertations recently at Wikipedia:Village pump (idea lab)/Archive 58 § Allowing Master's theses when not used to dispute more reliable sources (May 2024), which I'll not attempt to summarise since I participated. Folly Mox (talk) 11:33, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks @Folly Mox - that's really interesting and I guess my knowledge was out of date. qcne (talk) 14:30, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Rule of thumb: no. Real answer: it depends. For uncontroversial claims, no reason not to allow it. – Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 22:31, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Page of painter Stano Bubán

Dear editors, I would like to ask some questions about page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stano_Bub%C3%A1n. How I can generate links to external sources on the Internet in this way?: I use the technique of linking to external sources using the icon on the page bar.

Please, could you send me a link to generate a link using your technique?

I would also like to ask, why the bar still appears on the page: {{Unreferenced section|date=November 2024}}? When I added additional external sources confirming my published information.

Many links to the cited opening of exhibitions, that Stano Bubán participated in as an exhibitor, are not on the Internet, so I cannot document all. But I used information about exhibitions from public sources. For example, from the source of the Academy of Fine Arts, Bratislava, Slovakia. This source is official. The website of the Academy of Fine Arts contains only verified information.

Similarly, the cited study stays do not have Internet links, so they cannot be documented, but Stano Bubán, as a university teacher, had to document all the information I provided on his Webside page and the page of the Academy of Fine Arts, Bratislava, Slovakia.

I gathered information about his family from communication with him. Such information about his family (name of mother, sisters, daughters etc. is not available on the internet.

Thank you very much for your help....... Jozef Heriban (talk) 09:23, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

I suppressed the coding displaying the maintenance tag, as placing it here tags this page. 331dot (talk) 09:38, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Jozef Heriban If information is not in a published reliable source that can be verified, it cannot be on Wikipedia.

Since you are in communication with the subject regarding the article about him, you should declare a conflict of interest. Articles are typically written without any involvement from, or even the knowledge of, the subject. 331dot (talk) 09:40, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your answer. But I still don't understand, why the bar "This section does not cite any sources" keeps appearing in the sections Selected exhibitions, Study stays, Awards... I added credible links to realized exhibitions and links to clearly credible sources. Please, can you advise me, what else I should do to remove those bars?

Regarding information about the family. There are many pages on Wikipedia, mainly of actors, directors, designers, artists, which contain information about their family members. I have not noticed anywhere that this information is questioned and is also not supported by external sources. Please, can you explain me, why this information is questioned in my case? Thank you. Greetings... Jozef Heriban (talk) 09:58, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Jozef Heriban It's being questioned because it was pointed out to us. As this is a volunteer project where people do what they can when they can, we can only address what we know about. It is possible for inappropriate content to get by us, even for years. Inappropriate content existing on one article does not mean that it can exist on another(see other stuff exists). If you know of other articles with improperly sourced information, please point those out so we can take action. We need the help.

You added some sources, but many are still unsourced. I'm actually skeptical the article should list his entire work history at all- but if its going to, it needs to be sourced. 331dot (talk) 10:12, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @Jozef Heriban: to reply to your specific question: tags such as {{unsourced section}} are not automatic: they are applied by an editor, and removed by an editor. Since those sections now have some citations, I have replaced {{unsourced section}} with {{more citations needed section}}. ColinFine (talk) 10:26, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Dear ColinFine, I would like to ask you for help. I use the icon in the upper left corner of the page to link information and quotes from external websites. For example, I am currently trying to create a page about the academic painter Stano Bubán

Your colleagues keep pointing out to me that I am using the wrong way of linking. I have asked several times in various places intended for discussion of your colleagues to send me a link to generate the correct templates. So far, no one has sent me such a link. My question is: Is there a template generator that I can use when creating pages on Wikipedia to link to external websites? I assume that there certainly is one. Please, could you send me a link to generate the correct templates? Thank you. Have a nice evening. Jozef Heriban (talk) 23:30, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

@Jozef Heriban You seem to be using the {{cite web}} template correctly judging by the example you used. There is a really useful tool called citer at this toolforge link. It can take URL or various other inputs and generate a pretty good citation to use as a footnote in an article. Sometimes you need to tweak the output a bit but it speeds things up. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:35, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Dear Michael, thank you very much for your support. I struggled a lot until I managed to get a link to generate templates. So I'm posting the link here, so that others don't have to read the criticism on their pages about how they can't link to external sources correctly. Template generator link: https://citer.toolforge.org/ Jozef Heriban (talk) 19:13, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

References

Re-submitting an Article

Hi guys,

I recently submitted an article on the "Worldview International Foundation" which got rejected due to lack of quality references. I have adjusted the article according to my knowledge.

I was thinking of resubmitting the article but I am not sure if it will be completely scrapped if it gets rejected again.

I was wondering if another senior editor can see that and let me know if anything is wrong.

Or whether I should simply re-submit and wait for evaluation?

Thanks in advance! EditorSenpai (talk) 09:28, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

The best way to get feedback is to resubmit the draft. 331dot (talk) 09:37, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! I appreciate the comment. I think I will submit the draft and see. EditorSenpai (talk) 20:57, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

The only secondary source I see giving significant coverage of the subject is "Global Issues", which is clearly not reliable. Other sources do not mention the subject or do so briefly. Remsense ‥ 论 09:37, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

FYI - Draft:Worldview International Foundation was Declined, which is less severe than Rejected. David notMD (talk) 15:01, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes and I have adjusted accordingly.

I have decided to resubmit the article again and see whether it has merit or further issues to fix.

It is the first article I am writing on Wikipedia and I really appreciate all the help and guidance! EditorSenpai (talk) 21:07, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your feedback!

I do have a genuine concern as the article I am working on is about is a well-established NGO that is working towards mangrove restoration but has rarely been studied within scholarly articles.

Please let me know if there are any specific recommendations you would suggest for me to overcome this issue. EditorSenpai (talk) 21:05, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Content deliverer/s

When a source's URL is an article at JSTOR uploaded to the Internet Archive should "JSTOR via the Internet Archive" be in the Content deliverer field (leading to "via JSTOR via the Internet Archive" in the citation) or would it be better only to enter Internet Archive in the field and mention JSTOR in a postscript note? Mcljlm (talk) 11:17, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Hello Mcljlm. Just mentioning the Internet Archive should be fine. TheWikipede^talk 22:24, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Reverting a long-time user's revision

Hello, and sorry for taking up your time! I haven't been in Wikipedia for long and my revisions had only been somewhat minor (mostly fixing grammars and deleting words that are inaccurate to the sources). I found that the Majapahit article which I had been watching was edited in a way that I believe is mostly damaging by a long-time user. I reverted their revisions but they reverted it back. How should I respond to this? The safest way that I can think of is to edit the current article to be more similar to the previous version, but that will include most things except the infobox. Should I just revert everything again, especially considering that I'm new? And is there a way to prevent said user (and others) from changing the article in a similar manner? Thank you. Miserableed (talk) 13:55, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

I'd recommend reading (or at least skimming) WP:EDITWAR before deciding to get into a conflict with a more experienced editor. I'd also recommend asking them why they chose to revert your edits by either starting a new topic on their user talk page, or by mentioning them on the article's talk page (you can do this by linking to their user page). As more general advice (not saying you did this here), don't take it as an attack when someone reverts your edits. It's just them saying that they disagree, and you can always try to convince them otherwise (see WP:GOODFAITH). /home/gracen/ (yell at me here) 20:55, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

@Miserableed: Further to the correct answer above, the process to follow is described at WP:DR. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Reliable references

Hi,

My article was rejected due to a lack of reliable references. As my topic is somewhat obscure (a sculpture), the references are equally obscure but I tried hard to find real references. Any thoughts?

Draft:Chrinitoid. Tompayne36 (talk) 15:08, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

It's not so much that the references are obscure as much as the references are all closely connected to RIP or Rickey themselves. It seems appropriate where it is in Rickey's article, but I think I'd have to agree that the sourcing isn't sufficient to show the sculpture should have an article of its own. I wonder if you'd find more extensive, independent coverage from the Troy Record or another paper in the Capital District. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 16:16, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

@Tompayne36: For a subject like that you might need to refer to contemporary newspaper sources. When you have been here a while longer, you can use WP:LIBRARY to access some archives that are otherwise paywalled. Perhaps the university had its own publication, or a student paper? You could contact them directly. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:35, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

@pigsonthewing Hi. I referenced the RPI Alumni Magazine. It was an article I wrote, but they did publish it. There was also a reference in the campus humor magazine and the unofficial “Not the Rensselaer Handbook” Tompayne36 (talk) 21:13, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

It was also referenced in the student newspaper (The Polytechnic)https://www.tumblr.com/witnessmoderations/85215827917/in-search-of-the-chrinitoid Tompayne36 (talk) 21:18, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Fan Zhibo

ru:Jibo

Hello. Please help me create a Wikipedia page for Fan Zhibo in English. TanyaGroot (talk) 15:17, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @TanyaGroot, and welcome to the Teahouse. The Teahouse is not really a place to look for collaborators. Have you read Translation? ColinFine (talk) 20:58, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Fonts and citations

1. first, is there a settings thing to change the font into something Geometric? because it's easier to read then Arial for me
2. is there a way to hide citations? it was annoying when I first started Wikipedia, I never use them, and it's just annoying when copy-pasting or printing

Saarabout (talk) 22:46, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

To answer your first question, I believe that Wikipedia uses the default font that your browser does, so you can just change it there. I don't know about the second question, though. /home/gracen/ (yell at me here) 00:54, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Hello Saarabout, there is a pretty straightforward way to remove the footnotes from copied text. Do you use a text editor with regular expressions? If so, you can replace \[\d*\] with nothing and it will scrub the footnotes from the article. I do this sometimes to use spelling/grammar checkers. There are some online tools that you can use for this as well.[1][2] This is an example using a random paragraph from Night of the Living Dead.

Hiding the footnotes across the site is more awkward. There isn't a straightforward way to do it, both because most editors would not want to hide the citations and because not all footnotes are made the same way. To hide nearly all footnotes go to Special:MyPage/common.css, create the page, copy just this line sup.reference {display:none;} and save the page. To turn the footnotes back on, go to Special:MyPage/common.css, click edit, and delete or comment out that line. I realize that's a weird solution, Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 02:42, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Unsure as to whether article is actually been submitted for review.

I’ve completed a draft, and seemingly published it, but i can’t find it in the list of articles submitted for review. Have i submitted correctly? Draft:Kieran Howe MyNameIsGeorgeHale (talk) 01:11, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes, you successfully submitted it. 331dot (talk) 01:25, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

And it has been declined, reasons given by the reviewer and Comments. David notMD (talk) 23:28, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Submitting a bio

I need to get a bio of my pastor on Wikipedia, but I don't really have a way to footnote anything. He has books with bios on the back cover and he has an outdated bio on his own website. I made a simple bio on Wikimedia Commons site for Dr. Larry Ollison, and that's about all I really need on Wikipedia. I need it because on the streaming site for LarryOllisonRadio.com, when you click on Larry's name, the software searches for that name on Wikipedia. Right now it finds Barry White who has a son, with the name Ollison. Can anyone here help me create this bio on the main site?

Jim McDermott

Jimmcdcmm (talk) 01:47, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm afraid "I need it" is not a real reason for anyone to create an article. What is needed is evidence of notability via significant coverage from reliable sources. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 02:09, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Follow up question: would this website be a reliable source? https://www.faithandflame.com/collections/harrison-house-books/products/hidden-mysteries-and-the-bible-secrets-revealed-aliens-ufos-giants-time-travel-multiverse-ai-other-unexplained-phenomena-paperback-october-1-2024. There are quotes there by other authors about Dr. Ollison and a picture of his book with a bio on the book. Jimmcdcmm (talk) 03:24, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

A "buy it here" page? No. An article about a person needs to cite sources that provide in-depth coverage about that person. See Wikipedia:Golden Rule for the kinds of sources required. That one you cited doesn't meet the criteria, because none of the information there is independent of the author or the book, and none of it constitutes "coverage". Even if all you could find were book reviews, that suggests that the book may be notable, but not the author.

Also, what you're asking is basically to use Wikipedia as a publicity platform (or a way to fix technical problems you are having with publicity that isn't a problem for Wikipedia), and that sort of purpose is prohibited. ~Anachronist (talk) 04:22, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

@Jimmcdcmm: If your pastor is pressuring you to do this, you can refer him to WP:BOSS. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:19, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

If the image is free, then it can exist on commons and does not need to be on enwiki also. If it is non-free, it is forbidden to be on commons and also does not seem to satisfy the limited cases where non-free content is allowed on enwiki. The licensing and origin really needs to be clarified, and usually only the photographer (or someone else specified by a contract the photographer has) can make a valid license release. Please see Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials for information about how to figure out who owns the license and how they can release it for use. DMacks (talk) 01:06, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Hasn't been said, but Teahouse Hosts are here to advise, not to co-author. David notMD (talk) 20:13, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Doubt

Hello, could someone please tell me that if there is a politician with name "example politician" and his page is already available but there is one more politician from another constituency who has been elected and his name is also "example politician" than what to do? AstuteFlicker (talk) 01:50, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm assuming this is not meant to be taken literally and you mean there might be a "John Smith" elected in Florida and another in England, or whatever? Wikipedia:Disambiguation would be the answer. If there are just two notable persons by the same name we would usually add qualifiers to the page titles and HATNOTEs at the top of both pages. If there are several we would create a disambiguation page listing them all. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 02:12, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

I far as I know there are just two people because one already had a page the second one has recently been elected. If you don't mind once I create the page I'll let you know and if you could just see that part it would be very helpful for me because I don't have much idea of it. But for that first, I need to have a title for it because both the titles are same and the page cannot be created because it already has a article with that name what should the name be given? AstuteFlicker (talk) 02:17, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

For the second article, it can simply be "John Smith (another constituency)". And for the first article that is already existing, if it has been the only article with that title, we can apply a hatnote to direct readers to the new article for a start per WP:TWODAB. Why not create the article first and let us help you evaluate which title the article(s) should reside at? – robertsky (talk) 03:05, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

@Robertsky I have created Ashok Kumar Singh (Ramgarh) there is one more page named Ashok Kumar Singh please do the needful. Also, is the name fine? If not, please feel free to move it.. AstuteFlicker (talk) 05:02, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Ashok Kumar Singh is now a disambiguation page that links to both articles. ~Anachronist (talk) 05:22, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

AstuteFlicker, the article title seems to be fine but the article itself tells us nothing about this person other than their name, the legislative office they hold, and their political party affiliation. The article is more like a directory or database listing than an encyclopedia article. When and where was he born? What is his educational background? Where did he work before becoming a politician? What are his unique political positions and legislative plans? Was his electoral victory tough or easy? Does he have other leadership roles in his community or his political party? Is he married? Does he have children? And so on. Cullen328 (talk) 05:33, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

@Cullen328 Thank you very much for your valuable attention to this article. The articles which I am creating right know are all stubs about the MLAs who had been elected very recently. The elected MLAs are mostly new and that is the reason why, much information about them ain't available right know. With time, when more sources about them will be published I will make sure to add or update it. Meanwhile, the other editors can also contribute to it if they wish to. AstuteFlicker (talk) 05:41, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

AstuteFlicker, nothing that you have done is contrary to policy but I happen to believe quite firmly that it is a far greater service to the encyclopedia to create five well-referenced, informative start class articles than 50 microstubs. People can easily consult legislative directories to get this basic database information. Encyclopedia articles should be much more informative. Cullen328 (talk) 05:57, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

@Cullen328 unfortunately, this is a by-product of the WP:NPOL. One can only hope that the article will expand correspondingly when more details about the elected politician are released. – robertsky (talk) 14:41, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks @Anachronist for following up on this. – robertsky (talk) 14:41, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Article Edit Assist

Hey there! I created an article on Imagine Dragons song, Take Me To The Beach. It’s my first article, so I’d appreciate some feedback/editing if that’s ok? Draft:Take Me To The Beach (Imagine Dragons song) ImagineDragonsFan101 (talk) 01:53, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Your draft is almopst certainly going to be declined for lacking relaible sources that include significant coverage of the song. YouTube is not a reliable source. Apple Music is not a reliable source. And so on. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 02:07, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Local wiki upload

I am trying to upload an image (the first one on the left of the page) from https://www.gpchicago.com/architecture/paramount/ under fair use to use in Paramount Tower (Nashville). Wikimedia Commons says fair use images should be uploaded to a local wiki (which should be English Wikipedia?) I believe the image fits all criteria and there are no free replacements as it is a render of a building that has only just started construction. So how do I upload it to English Wikipedia specifically? King airaglub (talk) 03:14, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Hello, King airaglub. That image appears to be a copyrighted architectural rendering of a future building. The opportunity for a free replacement is obvious: wait until construction is complete and take a photo of the actual building. Or even take and freely license a photo of the half completed building under construction or the jobsite consisting of a hole in the ground with earth moving equipment around it. I fail to see how non-free use of this copyrighted rendering image complies with the relevant policy language at Non-free content - images. We do not need to be in a rush to have an image of this building. Cullen328 (talk) 04:43, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

To me that is not a good solution. For one, there are many other articles of proposed buildings that have renderings shown under fair use in the same manner as what I am trying to do, such as 4/C, Legends Tower, and One Bayfront Plaza. Besides, a picture of an empty construction hole would not add encyclopedic value. King airaglub (talk) 14:19, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

I would like to open a page with information about myself and my career, can anyone help?

I would like to open a page with information about myself and my career, can anyone help? Dragan Mihailovic (talk) 05:34, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Dragan Mihailovic. I have got to tell you that this is almost certainly a really bad idea that leads to failure and time wasting and bad feelings about 99.9% of the time. Read WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY for a much more detailed explanation. Your time would be better spent telling the world about you on various social media platforms rather than in an encyclopedia. Self promotion is forbidden on Wikipedia but welcomed and encouraged elsewhere. Cullen328 (talk) 05:44, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

thank you @Cullen328, very kind of you!! Dragan Mihailovic (talk) 06:22, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

wikipidia search

what is the difference between "disambiguation" and "topics refered to by the same term"? YisroelB501 (talk) 07:40, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

YisroelB501 Can you please supply a link to the page with the text that is confusing you, so we can see the context of your question? Mathglot (talk) 08:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

@YisroelB501: Do you refer to search suggestions like below while you are typing in the search box?

Titanic (disambiguation)
Topics referred to by the same term

The first line gives the full page name "Titanic (disambiguation)". The second line gives a Wikipedia:Short description of the page. For disambiguation pages the short description "Topics referred to by the same term" is automatically added by {{Disambiguation}}. It's possible to override it but we rarely do that. Short descriptions are shown together with the page name so there is no need to repeat "Titanic". PrimeHunter (talk) 10:31, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

If there is no primary topic then a disambiguation page doesn't get "(disambiguation)" in the page name but still gets the short description "Topics referred to by the same term", e.g. Stay. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:40, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

When will the newly created page be searchable on Google?

On Wednesday, I created a page for academic painter Stano Bubán on the English Wikipedia Stano Bubán. I want to ask when this page will be searchable via Google? It can be searched on Wikipedia, but it is not searchable via Google yet. Thank you for your answer. Jozef Heriban (talk) 08:09, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Your article will be patrolled first and after review, it takes about a week before your article is ranked on goggle Tesleemah (talk) 08:22, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm fairly sure it can sometimes take more than a week. 331dot (talk) 09:53, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

@Jozef Heriban If the new page patrol don't get to it, and they are heavily backlogged, it will become indexable by search engines after 90 days. I find that, once patrolled, indexing happens very quickly, especially if anyone adds an edit. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:20, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Dear Turnbull, thank you very much for your reply... have a nice day... Jozef Heriban (talk) 15:51, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Dear Tesleemah, thank you very much for your reply... have a nice day... Jozef Heriban (talk) 15:52, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

The article Stano Bubán looks like it is in good condition, but there are two problems. 1. there are no links to it from anywhere else on the website, and 2. it does not seem clear that you own the copyright to the photos of him, particularly his first photo that looks like it was professionally done and the painting he did at the end of the page. Reconrabbit 16:02, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

• @Jozef Heriban: Hi. Google, and Wikipedia are two different websites. An article becomes eligible for being indexed by Google (or any other search engines) after it is "reviewed" here. The time taken to be indexed after the review, is totally up to that particular search engine. —usernamekiran (talk) 17:03, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

About an Edit by the User

States in India do not have flags or banners, they have their emblems or seals, most containing the Emblem of India. In the Page of Government of Punjab, India, Due to no evidence, I deleted the image claiming to be the banner of the State Government. I 've never seen it in use in any of the Offices, Website, Notifications, Events, Buildings of the Government (I've been to many). The user is the uploader of the said file, he was the one who first added it, and he did the same again. What should be done? VeritasVanguard "Seeking truth in every edit" 14:14, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi! I suggest starting a discussion with the user on the article's talk page to see if they can provide a reliable source that explicitly supports the claim that the image in question is the state's banner. See WP:DISCUSSCONSENSUS and WP:original research. Perception312 (talk) 15:00, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Use of a banner in an Infobox

Recently i added a Government banner in the infobox of the Government of Punjab, India, but now an user keep deleting it citing that Indian states don't use banners but in reality Indian state governments use banners to represent the state government. We have a whole article on Wikipedia on this topic (List of Indian state flags), I don't want to start an editing war, what i can do now? Shubhdeep Sandhu (talk) 08:35, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

@Shubhdeep Sandhu: I've moved a related discussion down and put your question under it. The above advice applies to you, too: [start] a discussion with the user on the article's talk page to ... provide a reliable source that explicitly supports the claim that the image in question is the state's banner. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 10:41, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Since that advice was given, you received some user talk messages on the matter; I've found no discussions at Talk:Government of Punjab, India or the Noticeboard for India-related topics. As of this reply, the edit summary of the most recent revert says Unreliable and irrelevant source, so it seems like the source you provided is inadequate. List of Indian state flags is similarly unsuitable because anyone can edit it. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 10:41, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

@Rotideypoc41352 I have said , and will state again 'That states in India do not have flags', they have seals/emblems that they use. This is misleading to upload a file namely 'Banner of Punjab' when there is no use by the said government. The user in its Commons File deletion gives 'Indiamart' a selling platform, vexilla-mundi.com & other unknown, Facebook (unreliable) sources. VeritasVanguard: "Seeking truth in every edit" 14:59, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Shubhdeep Sandhu, I have replied to you on Talk:Government of Punjab, India. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 14:53, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Review

Greetings,

Any professional editor able to review and provide suggestions to get my article published?

Thanks a million,

Annie

Anniebeau (talk) 09:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

User:Anniebeau Welcome to the Teahouse. I assume you are referring to Draft:Dan Yessian. The article has been reviewed twice. There are several suggestions at the top of that draft. Is there a specific suggestion that you do not understand?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Shantavira (talk • contribs) 09:45, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

@Anniebeau I have removed all the external links from the body text, as these are not normally allowed. I also fixed a couple of archive errors and did a bit of tidying up. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:16, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Mike,

I appreciate you! Thank you!

Andrea Anniebeau (talk) 15:22, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

This version is much different than the initial draft. Anniebeau (talk) 15:23, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Declined again. There is still a lot of unreferenced content. David notMD (talk) 23:32, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

I am unsure what is considered "unreferenced" as I ensured each bit of information was noted with a reference. That is why I have about 18 news articles documented.

Can anyone please guide me as to what information is considered unreferenced? Anniebeau (talk) 23:41, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

@Anniebeau, you have quite a lot of sentences in the Career section that appear to be unreferenced. If they are in fact all referenced by the next given citation, you may want to think about combing them into paragraphs and/or using named references so it's clear where the information comes from. Generally, if there's no citation on the end of a sentence, and it's not a part of a longer piece of information, that sentence is likely to be considered unreferenced. StartGrammarTime (talk) 02:50, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your time and guidance! Anniebeau (talk) 11:26, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Mike,

Are you talking about the note on the draft from last week, or do you mean today? Anniebeau (talk) 01:00, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

In the current version, here is some of the unreferenced text:

• A 1967 graduate of Wayne State University, Yessian taught speech and English for four years at Detroit's Redford High School. He left education to pursue a music career.
• In 1971, Yessian Music opened in a 300-square-foot office, once an old bait shop in Farmington. He called local car dealers hoping to interest them in purchasing a custom jingle to promote their business.
• Yessian wrote theme songs for sports organizations including Detroit Pistons, Detroit Red Wings, Detroit Tigers and Los Angeles Dodgers.
• In the 1980s, Yessian met songwriter David Barrett (Composer "One Shining Moment") with whom he composed numerous songs including a collaboration on "I See Wings" a song written for Yessian's documentary and symphonic work "An Armenian Trilogy".

There is more. David notMD (talk) 03:37, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

David,

You are absolutely right. I will correct.

Thanks again! Anniebeau (talk) 11:27, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Wikidata tangle

I've been trying to fix the wikidata linking around Tambourin, but I think it may not be possible. The situation is:

• en:Tambourin covers the Provence drum & dance
• en:Tabor (instrument) covers the Provence drum and Catalan drum, and a Welsh version, as a superset
• fr:Tambourin (sur fût) covers the Provence drum and Catalan drum
• fr:Tambourin (danse) covers the dance
• fr:Timbal (musique catalane) covers a Catalan version

On wikidata:

• "tambori" links to en:Tambori and fr:Tambourin (sur fût)
• "tambourin" describes the dance; linked to fr:Tambourin (danse) and I've linked to en:Tambourin (danse), a redirect to en:Tambourin
• "tambourin (Provencal)" (created by me) describes the drum and links to en:Tambourin
• "tabor" links to en:Tabor (instrument) and fr:Timbal (musique catalan)

Essentially, both tambori and tambourin (Provencal) need to link to fr:Tambourin (sur fût); tabor may also need to link there but doesn't appear to really have a good target; and both tambourin and tambourin (Provencal) need to link to en:Tambourin, but wikidata only allows one item to link to a given article. As you can see above I've created a redirect to fix one bit, but wikidata tries to stop you from adding these and I'm pretty sure it's not the intended solution.

Does wikidata have a way of solving this? Mrfoogles (talk) 16:20, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

@Mrfoogles That sounds like a problem better handled by the experts at Wikidata. There is a place to report interwiki conflicts. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:26, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Conflict of Interest, New Editor, Already made edits - eek!

I am an associate member of the Society of Graphic Fine Art, and was asked by the committee to update the Wikipedia page. I have made significant changes to the article, which contained inaccurate and inadequate information. Naturally, I believe that I maintained a neutral position, but I am aware that it is not my place to judge this. I need help with this, please!

I know that I need to declare this conflict of interest. I located the UserCOI template and I understand that this goes on my user page - but where and how?

What do I do about the edited page? I think I need to put a COI declaration on Society of Graphic Fine Art - again, I'm not sure where or how. Does another, impartial editor review my changes? Or do the changes need to be rescinded?

I now know that I should not make any more edits on the Society's page (apart from very minor ones).

AmandaJBates (talk) 18:17, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Don't worry all your edits were reverted as "not an imporvement at all". In future please request edits with the template {{edit COI}}. Theroadislong (talk) 18:34, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

@AmandaJBates: Your user page is on the one that is (currently) a read link at the end of your comment here. It will go blue when you add some content there. You can also declare your COI in a comment on Talk:Society of Graphic Fine Art (the discussion page, as opposed to the article itself), which is also where you can request future changes. You may find these pages helpful: WP:BOSS and our FAQ for article subjects. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:15, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

AmandaJBates: just to note that Andy must mean "red link" above, not "read link". Cordless Larry (talk) 21:58, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

I have no idea why somebody thought it was a good idea to list roughly 150 artists who participated in the organization's 1921 exhibition, referenced to the organization's own 1921 catalogue. Wikipedia articles about an organization should summarize what reliable sources entirely independent of the organization say about it, with very limited exceptions. Cullen328 (talk) 23:34, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

My first thought is the fact that so many of the artists who participated in the first exhibition (1921) are subjects of Wikipedia articles reflects on the importance of the organization at its origin, BUT it is possible, nay likely, that these people became Wikipedia-notable for careers that extended long past 1921. So delete the list! David notMD (talk) 23:49, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

The list will be going if I have my way, on account if its irrelevance if nothing else. 80.41.63.175 (talk) 10:48, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, that was me.<br/>AmandaJBates (talk) 10:55, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Sadly, there is very little available material that doesn't trace back to the Society, one way or another. It's a little bit ... niche, should we say. I take it that mission statements etc are one of your exceptions?

<br/>AmandaJBates (talk) 11:02, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Addition

if anyone’s watch the 900 days without Annabelle documentary, I feel like Rafael who was the first president of his country also tried very hard to help this case and I think that deserved to be realized in his page! I just don’t know how to write it good..Rafael Escuredo 66.129.196.190 (talk) 20:21, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. If you have an improvement to suggest to an article, the article's talk page is the best place to make the suggestion. Your suggestion is more likely to be taken seriously if you cite a reliable published source for any information you wish to add. (I have no idea who Rafael is, or what that documentary is about, but if you want to cite it you need to establish that it was published/aired by somebody with a reputation for editorial control and fact checking). ColinFine (talk) 20:44, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Done. I can't add much more because a) the Heraldo piece is paywalled and the preview doesn't say much more about Rafael Escuredo's role and actions in the negotiations for the kidnapping of Anabel Segura and b) as @ColinFine said, information needs to be supported by somebody with a reputation for editorial control and fact checking, and I know nothing about the production of the 900 Days Without Anabel Netflix docuseries. Cheers, Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 22:03, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

@Rotideypoc41352: You an request access to paywalled sources at WP:RX. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:57, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

does a COI still exist if you haven't had contact with someone for 25 years?

I'm thinking about improving the article of someone for whom I worked 25 years ago. Is that still a COI, or is the COI no longer significant, since it was decades ago? Thanks, FactOrOpinion (talk) 20:26, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

I haven't had contact with my dead grandfather for longer than that, and I'd still have a COI.

On the other hand, I'm thinking of the supervisor I had 25 years ago, and if he was clearly notable, I believe I could write a decent neutral article. I think you should be fine, just remember Wikipedia is not to be used for memorializing. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:43, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

You're right, I worded the question in my heading poorly, as some kinds of COIs clearly continue to exist no matter how much time has passed. I'm not going to memorialize him, just try to improve his article a bit, as it's currently a stub. I believe that I can be neutral, but am trying to figure out whether I need to declare a COI and only post edit requests. FactOrOpinion (talk) 21:30, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Base what you write on what others have published, rather on what you know. Then there should be less bias introduced by you. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Graeme Bartlett, I do understand that. And thanks to Anachronist as well. FactOrOpinion (talk) 00:55, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

FactOrOpinion, as I see it, the question of a conflict of interest is not a yes-or-no, black-or-white question in most cases of writing new articles or major expansions of existing articles. Instead, it is a continuum. If an editor is motivated to do the work of finding and evaluating and summarizing the reliable sources about a topic that interests them, then it can be said that they have at least a weak or mild conflict of interest about that topic. I was born and raised in Michigan and have lived in California for over 50 years, and have worked on many articles related to those two states. Back in June, my wife and I had a wonderful ten day visit to Alaska and I have since written and expanded several articles about Alaska. My favorite article that I have written about Alaska is Wooden halibut hook, a topic that I had never heard of six months ago but which fascinated me when I saw them in two museums in Alaska. I think that my conflict of interest is mild even though I took two of the photos in that article. When I was a young man, I was a California mountaineer. As a new editor, I wrote a biography of Jules Eichorn, a climber that I took a two week trip with, along with about 15 other climbers in the late 1970s, and I took the photo in the article of him as an older man, 40 years older than me. And now I am older than he was then. I never heard from him again. I suppose I have a conflict of interest but I think that it is minor, because the article includes none of my personal experiences, and instead summarizes the reliable sources that I cited.

A major problem occurs when the conflict goes beyond minor or mild, and interferes with the editor's ability to comply with Wikipedia's core content policies. The relevant language in the WP:COI policy is While editing Wikipedia, an editor's primary role is to further the interests of the encyclopedia. When an external role or relationship could reasonably be said to undermine that primary role, the editor has a conflict of interest similar to how a judge's primary role as an impartial adjudicator would be undermined if they were married to one of the parties. Any external relationship—personal, religious, political, academic, legal, or financial (including holding a cryptocurrency)—can trigger a COI. How close the relationship needs to be before it becomes a concern on Wikipedia is governed by common sense. So, we need to use common sense and recognize that "can trigger a COI" is not equivalent to "always triggers a COI". If an editor can and does write content that is verifiable, that avoids original research, and that complies with the neutral point of view, then common sense tells us that the conflict of interest is mild and manageable. Cullen328 (talk) 07:57, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Cullen328, thank you for that elaboration. I always try to abide by WP's PAGs and seek guidance when I need it. I appreciate how much time you and other experienced editors invest in helping people out. FactOrOpinion (talk) 15:57, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Request for Feedback and Assistance in Revising Draft

Dear Expert Team

I hope you're doing well. I am reaching out to request your help in improving my draft article, Draft:Sarbjit_Singh_Jhinjher, in light of the recent feedback provided.

The reviewer pointed out that the submission does not adhere to the formal tone expected for an encyclopedia article, and I would greatly appreciate your advice on how to rewrite it in a more neutral and encyclopedic format. Additionally, I have been advised to refer to a broader range of independent, reliable, and published sources to strengthen the article.

Could you please assist me by reviewing the draft, particularly focusing on:

• Ensuring the tone is formal and neutral
• Avoiding any "peacock" terms or language that promotes the subject
• Suggesting improvements to improve the overall quality and adherence to Wikipedia's standards

Your input would be incredibly valuable in helping me align the draft with Wikipedia's guidelines.

Thank you in advance for your time and assistance. I look forward to your feedback.

Best regards, 49.156.107.234 (talk) 20:44, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

A sample (the section "Village Leadership"): From 2013 to 2018, Jhinjer served as [Why "served as" rather than plain "was"?] the Sarpanch [There is no reason for this to be boldface.] (village head) of Jhinjran, where he contributed [What did he contribute?] to the development of infrastructure [Water, electricity, sewerage, phone, wireless LAN, ...?] and improvements [What kind(s) of improvements?] in the village’s quality of life. And what is the (reliable and disinterested) source for all of this? -- Hoary (talk) 22:17, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

A different view: served as is correct and normal and commonplace English usage. In American English (at least), it is the standard way to refer to a person holding a political office, a judgeship, or a military rank. Cullen328 (talk) 22:45, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

How is an articles importance in a Wikiproject debated?

Recently, I added articles such as Colossal Biosciences, Arava Institute for Enviromental Studies, Northern white rhinoceros, Ivory-billed woodpecker, Vaquita, and Judean date palm to the extinction wikiproject, as the first two are organisations known for de-extinction, the three animals are glaring examples of pure manmade declines and functional extinctions in modern times, and the date tree is the first known successful de-extinction. How do these pages have their importance rated by a Wikiproject? All of them should be given high or mid-importance due to the reasons that I stated above. Edelgardvonhresvelg (talk) 23:46, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

I believe we used to have an actual scale for determining the importance, but in my experience it is usually very much "in the eye of the beholder", in other words, one persons' opinion. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 00:04, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

How do I rate their importance then? I doubt that many are interested in any of the subjects besides Colossal Biosciences due to them constantly making headlines, being endorsed by various governments, educational institutions, and celebrities. Judean date palm is also a plant, which doesn't gain much attention as a de-extinct animal as bucardo or soon to be de-extinct such as the woolly mammoth or thylacine. Edelgardvonhresvelg (talk) 02:48, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Some wikiprojects have specific criteria for rating importance, such as WP:DOGS on their Assessment page, but no such criteria seem to be established for WikiProject Extinction, other than major extinction events are "top" importance. I would rate the importance of the mentioned articles based on how much literature on the subject appears to exist at a glance, or as Just Step Sideways stated above, however important you believe them to be. If it ends up being controversial, then the resulting discussion can start to establish what each level of importance should be applied to. Reconrabbit 00:05, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

How do I give the articles importance on the Wikiproject? I doubt that the articles would be controversial for mid to high imporance. Edelgardvonhresvelg (talk) 16:04, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Need	The article is of priority or importance, regardless of its quality
Top	Subject is a must-have for a print encyclopedia
High	Subject contributes a depth of knowledge
Mid	Subject fills in more minor details
Low	Subject is mainly of specialist interest.
Bottom	(Optional) Subject has no real significance to the project.
No	(Optional) Subject is a disambiguation or redirect page, residing in article space.

I foiund this old thing, it's probably not binding on anyone but gives some idea of how it is supposed to work. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 00:10, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

I will add that most readers or editors do not bother looking at the importance. So it is not worthwhile to get too stressed about the rating. For top or high importance, it may reault in the article being selected in a subset publication for some purpose. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 01:01, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Unfortunately the table is of little help. What are the criteria for "must-have", "minor", etc? Importance could be defined in terms of number of accesses -- via which, of course, Taylor Swift would be of vastly more importance than, say, Universe. -- Hoary (talk) 01:09, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Prince and Family

Hi,

Would you please approve this page Draft:Prince and Family. Prince and Family is upcoming malayalam film.

Thank you. FrancisMathew2255 (talk) 09:43, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

@FrancisMathew2255 the draft is currently pending review. Please be patient, as there are hundreds of other drafts in the queue. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 09:56, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Sure.

Thank you for your response. FrancisMathew2255 (talk) 10:01, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Help with page publication

Hello, Can someone please help me with the following page which was declined twice? Italian Dopolavoro Ferroviario (DLF)

Draft:Italian Dopolavoro Ferroviario

Thank you, Simone Smnczz (talk) 10:44, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @Smnczz, and welcome to the Teahouse. Please read the links in the decline notice. In summary: your citations are not properly formatted (bare URL's) which makes them hard to evaluate (see WP:REFB). But "Gazzetta Officiale" is almost certainly a primary source, and does not contribute to establishing notability. You need most of your citations to meet the triple criteria in WP:42. ColinFine (talk) 11:25, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Can Chatgpt/similar GPT be fused with Wikipedia? Will help in solving instant doubts

I am an active user of Wikipedia and this question recently struck my mind. I wanted to convey this idea to Wikipedia community to bring up a creative update.

Good work folk! Keep it up! 117.250.64.129 (talk) 10:50, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. Generally, no. See WP:CHATGPT for more detail. ColinFine (talk) 11:26, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

If the community was interested in having ChatGPT write Wikipedia, then the community would have likely already made bots that do so. We are interested in the sum of human knowledge, not the sum of what knowledge LLMs predict humans to possess. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 12:39, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Note that AI is notoriously unreliable. They make stuff up. See Hallucination (artificial intelligence). Shantavira|^{feed me} 14:45, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

I didn't understand your question exactly, but ChatGPT has entire Wikipedia (only mainspace) in its datasets. It also may have other sections/namespaces in its datasets. Gemini accesses Wikipedia in real-time. —usernamekiran (talk) 16:52, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Academic Notability

Before I (User:RomanVilgut) post my question, I would like to be transparent about my background. I am a communications officer at the University of Graz, the second largest university in Austria with over 400 years of academic history (~28,000 students, ~3,200 academic staff including teaching). My role is not primarily editorial, it is not my main job to edit Wikipedia. However, now that I have a user, I have been asked several times to help with Wikipedia. I have therefore marked myself as a 'paid editor' in order to demonstrate my commitment to maintaining the highest standards of transparency within the Wiki community.

One of our professors in the field of nano-robotics and nano-chemistry has requested my assistance in translating his Wikipedia page on the German Wikipedia (de:Leonhard Grill) to the English Wikipedia. He is a full professor with an impressive publication record in top-tier scientific journals, including Nature and Science. He has also received numerous accolades, particularly the ERC Advanced Grant, the most prestigious grant in the European Union.

Upon reviewing the notability criteria for the English Wikipedia (Wikipedia:Notability (academics)), I came to the conclusion that Criteria 1 a, d, e and Criteria 5 a, b, c appeared to be met. I therefore proceeded to create the page on the English Wikipedia Leonhard Grill.

Some days later, a user added a maintenance template to the page, offering constructive feedback on the notability and citations. I added some important citations and initiated a dialogue with the user on the talk page, Talk:Leonhard Grill. The user set the bar quite high in terms of notability and told me about his extensive experience in reviewing academic pages.

I then asked which criteria he felt had not been met, and the response I received made me a little cautious. I then checked the user page, where I discovered that he had revealed his true identity (which I also did). I believe he is a researcher in nano-robotics, emeritus. It would seem that he is engaged in the same scientific field as Leonhard Grill. I am also somewhat sceptical because when I look at the pages of faculty members at his university, I notice that those very high standards he is using are not always met.

I feel he may be applying different standards. However, I felt that users who are not familiar with me might perceive a potential conflict of interest on my part (which I personally do not see), and so I decided to step away from the discussion.

I would therefore be grateful if the wider Wikipedia community could take a look at the page and the talk. I would be grateful for any support from experienced wiki users who might conclude that the notability is high enough. I would also appreciate any tips and tricks they could share, as well as guidance on which sources should be added. We already have plenty of sources, but I would prefer not to overwhelm the reference page.

But if experienced wiki users conclude that the notability is not high enough, I will respect their decision and not challenge the deletion of the page.

*Disclaimer: Since I am not a native english speaker, I used the DeepL Write to improve this text* RomanVilgut (talk) 11:15, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

What is lacking are references to what people have published about him. In English Wikipedia, describing his research, with references to his sci poblications, adds nothing to establishing Wikipedia-notability. OK to list minor awards, but again, not estabilshing notability. Delete the Weblinks section for same reason. David notMD (talk) 11:57, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much. So to conclude for me. It makes no sence to cite all his papers, that proof in what groups he worked? Cited should be works, that cite his work?

What still puzzles me: How can a habilitation paper on the FU Berlin be no proof for habilitation (plus the fact, that he is a faculty member - I found the official journal of his appointment and cited it)? What other proof would be acceptable, a scan of the document? RomanVilgut (talk) 12:46, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

2nd Question. For undergrad and Phd there is a "citation needed". Both Papers are avaiable as hard copy in the library of the university of Graz. Is the link to the entry in the library-catalogue accepted as citation? RomanVilgut (talk) 12:51, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

@RomanVilgut Regarding notability, we only require one of the listed criteria to be met. In my opinion, his award of the Feynman Prize in Nanotechnology is sufficient to pass criterion #2. The article can cite self-published sources (e.g. your website) for non-controversial material: see the guidance at WP:ABOUTSELF and of course can give a limited account of Grill's research. However, the biography should mainly cover his background, education and personal life. The article should not aim to be a cv but can mention highly cited papers, for example. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:58, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

As it has been mentioned that the article will be, at least partly, be translated from an article on DE-Wikipedia, Help:Translation might be of some interest...attribution etc. Lectonar (talk) 13:02, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Per comment from Mike Turnbull, common to have a section titled Selected works, to include perhaps 5-7 publications. For academics, the university they work at often has a biographical sketch for faculty members, with information such as education; that would serve as a citation. David notMD (talk) 17:09, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Reliable sources for a topic in software development

It's extremely hard if not impossible to find any source other than primary sources or a topic in software development.

So I added a few sources that are not "reliable" just to satisfy secondary sources rule.

What exactly counts as a reliable source and is it possible to make a secondary source rule exception for topics are related to software development since an unbiased view is less of concern due to rational nature of software development compared to things like politics and past events.

Here is my draft Draft:Kestrel Web Server 78.190.51.205 (talk) 14:07, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia isn't a place to just tell about something- it's a place to summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about something, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of notability. If a topic isn't written about by independent reliable sources, it can't be on Wikipedia. There are other websites with less stringent requirements where people can just tell about something.

You can certainly work to obtain consensus for a carve-out in policy for software development, but it would be a long, difficult process- and I don't think it would work, as it would lead to every topic seeking a carve-out, rendering policies meaningless. 331dot (talk) 14:27, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

But this policy has been created to reduce amount of bias right?

While I do agree, I think software development should get a exception due to sometimes only source being the project itself.

And when I try to seek for "secondary" sources they are not reliable, would a random blog post be reliable? I bet It's not. 78.190.51.205 (talk) 14:52, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

No. Wikipedia:GOLDENRULE is fundamental to how (and why) Wikipedia works. Shantavira|^{feed me} 14:56, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

How to add the cookies/brownies/tea/cofee/others

Hi all,

I remember seeing the proper syntax and usage for all of the mentioned items above, but sometimes struggle remembering things.

I would greatly appreciate any help!

15:18, 25 November 2024 (UTC) Luke Elaine Burke (talk) 15:18, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

@Luke Elaine Burke Welcome to the Teahouse. These things are most easily added via templates. Take a look at {{Cookies}} and you can probably guess the others. They are all in Category:Food WikiLove templates. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:21, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you Micheal, have a great day!

15:31, 25 November 2024 (UTC) Luke Elaine Burke (talk) 15:31, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

@Luke Elaine Burke:Welcome to the teahouse. These are WikiLoves, and can be seen with a symbol of a heart on user talk pages (might change depending on your theme set). Thanks, Cooldudeseven7 _{join in on the tea talk} 15:43, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, your photography is incredible!

Luke Elaine Burke (talk) 15:45, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

What are user talk pages really for?

I know what article talk pages are for, but what about user talk pages? So far, mine only has trout notifications and some notifications from a bot who harasses me every time one of my Teahouse threads gets archived. I had one person stop by and leave a message about an article I was working on at the time as well. Are user talk pages specifically for Wikipedia-related things or can I use mine for more general conversations and small talk with anyone who stops by? I ask because I saw someone else's talk page and they were talking with someone about their favorite character from a book series like it was a normal forum thread. ApteryxRainWing | Roar at me | My contributions 15:28, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

@ApteryxRainWing: User talk pages are normally for delivering messages such as {{Tb}}, or even WikiLoves. They are used as a form of communication, such as alerts from AfC, etc. They can be used for notifications of a revert, warnings, etc. Cooldudeseven7 _{join in on the tea talk} 15:38, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

@ApteryxRainWing: user talk pages are for communication between editors regarding Wikipedia. The communication should generally take place on article's talk page, or concerned/relevant wikiproject, or venue where it can be seen by a larger group of people who might be interested in that discussion/situation. User talk pages are mostly used for notifications, and one-on-one communication. Also, I'm not sure if you know the exact meaning of "harassment". If you want to stop the bot, there are clear instructions in the message itself. —usernamekiran (talk) 16:46, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Not for chat, forum threads, jokes, etc. And with a few exceptions, you can archive or delete what you have been sent. David notMD (talk) 17:13, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Editor change?

I was trying to work on an article the other day when I noticed a difference in how I edited. Previously, I had the visual editor, but instead I now was editing the source of the page itself. I'm pretty limited in my ability with the source code, and is there anyways to revert back to the visual editor? Did I accidentally change something in my settings? Therguy10 (talk) 16:22, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

@Therguy10 When you're in the source editor, there's a little pen button on the right, if you click on that, you can select the visual editor. You can also change the URL directly by changing "&action=edit" to "&veaction=edit". I hope this helps! Myrealnamm's Alternate Account (talk) 16:56, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi. If you are on a talk page, VisualEditor does not work. If you are editing an article, just go to the dropdown menu as listed here

I hope this helps. Cooldudeseven7 _{join in on the tea talk} 16:57, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

@Myrealnamm-alt @Cooldudeseven7 Thank you! That's exactly what I needed and I really appreciate it! Therguy10 (talk) 16:59, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

No problem! I hope you enjoy Wikipedia! Cooldudeseven7 _{join in on the tea talk} 17:00, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

I translated information from a different language to an article, but the original information is uncited - is this okay?

I translated the information from https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interactive_Institute to add to The Interactive Institute, as the English article is of low quality. The original article has no citations (well it has one, but it is not related to what I copied). Is this acceptable? If anyone wants to add citations to the article, I put some possible places citations could be found on the article's talk page. Thanks, The Neco-Arc (talk) 18:20, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

You more than doubled the length of the English article without adding any references. I do not see why the article should not be nominated for deletion. Are there no refs in the Swedish version that would help verify the English version? David notMD (talk) 18:45, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

@The Neco-Arc: Thanks for trying to improve the article, but I think it needs sources more than anything else. Wikipedia articles need to be based on reliable sources that are independent of the article's subject. You suggested https://monoskop.org/Interactive_Institute, but that is a user-generated wiki (i.e. unreliable), and the links there are all associated with the Interactive Institute (i.e. not independent). If there are no independent reliable sources that cover the Interactive Institute, the article will be deleted, so expanding it is like rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic. Also, while this is a moot point if the article is deleted, this paragraph you added has a very promotional tone:

The institute creates results by combining art, design and technology. By exploring and integrating these three areas, the institute strives to achieve innovative results that not only develop and question interaction and communication between people and their environment, but also challenge traditional perspectives and ways of thinking.

Articles are improved by using a neutral tone and sticking to encyclopedic, verifiable facts. jlwoodwa (talk) 18:52, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Each Wikipedia language has its own standards for neutral-point-of-view content and references, so even if what you added was a translation from the Swedish Wikipedia, the wording (and lack of independent references) cannot exist in English. David notMD (talk) 20:09, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Bookmarking oft-visited WP sites possible?

I now have a lot of sites I want to visit on occasion, such as my mentor's Talk page, some of the policy and guidance information like conflict of interest, and how to add images. Does Wikipedia have a Bookmark feature, as do Chrome, Safari, and other browsers? Augnablik (talk) 19:23, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

@Augnablik To a point, yes, you can add them to your watchlist.

As for stuff that's unlikely to be updated but that you want to keep track of, I, as an Opera GX user, tend to simply have the tabs open in one of my workspaces so I don't have to go rummaging through my regular browser bookmarks. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 19:25, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @Augnablik. Another possibility is to add a list of links to your favourite pages on your user page (or a user subpage). ColinFine (talk) 19:34, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

I want to upload a photo

I found an image that is crucial for illustrating early COVID-19 cases in Wuhan, which is directly relevant to an article on Wikipedia about the origins of the pandemic.

What is the rationale that it's legal to upload this image under a fair use claim? The image is copyrighted, but I believe it falls under fair use for educational purposes. Does this justify uploading it? How can I ensure that I meet the requirements for fair use on Wikipedia, and are there any additional considerations or guidelines I should be aware of?

The image is located at the following webpage:

Worobey, M. (2021). Dissecting the early COVID-19 cases in Wuhan: Elucidating the origin of the pandemic requires understanding of the Wuhan outbreak. Science, 374(6572), 1202–1204. https://doi.org/10.1126/science.abm4454 Lardlegwarmers (talk) 20:47, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi Lardlegwarmers. There's information on this in Wikipedia:Non-free content and Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria; however, please understand that fair use and non-free content use aren't exactly the same thing when it comes to Wikipedia, and Wikipedia's non-free content use policy has been intentionally set up to be more restrictive than fair use. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:24, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

If you're asking about this map, then I think you're going to have are time justifying it's non-free use per WP:FREER and WP:NFC#CS. The map of China itself is almost certainly not eligible for copyright protection per c:COM:CB#Maps and satellite imagery because outlines of countries and place names are elements typically considered eligible for copyright protection; so, someone could essentially create their own map if they want. It's the way the data the map's based on is expressed visually that might be eligible for copyright protection, but the same information doesn't necessarily need to be expressed using this particular map or any map at all for Wikipedia's purposes; it could be expressed as plain text, in a Wikipedia:Table or in some other form. If this map itself, however, was the subject of sourced critical commentary in reliable sources (either because others thought it to be accurate or perhaps thought it to be inaccurate), then that might be a way to justify its non-free use, but just wanting to show it as a map because it's a map is probably not going to be enough. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:58, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Reverting on mobile

How do I revert an article to a previous edit on mobile, as well as undo an edit? I am on an iPhone. AlexTheWikipedian (talk) 22:56, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi AlexTheWikipedian. I believe if you scroll all the way down to the bottom of a Wikipedia page while using the mobile Wikipedia site, I'm pretty sure you're given the option to view the page in "Desktop mode". If you click this, you should see the page as you would see it using the regular Wikipedia set up, and be able to edit just like you would edit any Wikipedia. Be aware, though, that your mobie service provider might be using an IP proxy that is blocked from making edits per Wikipedia:Open proxies; you can view pages fine, but you just can't edit them. So, if you go to desktop mode and still can't edit because the IP address your account is using has been blocked, there might not be much you can do except try Wikipedia:IP block exemption. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

U.S. govt sources not credible for bio of U.S. diplomat?

Hi folks, I’ve been working on a bio page for a prominent international official, draft here.

The sources myself and other drafters have cited to document her career history are mostly from the U.S. government (the White House, the Congress, the Department of State) or from auxiliary roles she held in international bodies as a diplomat.

Existing wiki bio pages for U.S. officials who have held the same position(s) or even more junior ones use the same types of sources. I’ve linked to examples of those bio pages in the draft’s talk page.

However, I’m stuck. Several editors have rejected the draft bio because the sources aren’t sufficiently independent or credible, and they’ve suggested newspapers as alternative sources. Unfortunately news coverage of most diplomats’ careers doesn’t exist, so beyond what’s included in the media section of her page, I haven’t found sources such as the type they have recommended.

How do I reconcile the reality of the sourcing (which has seemed legitimate enough to substantiate other bio pages) with the recommendations from editors?

I’d appreciate advice re: what makes the existing sources in the draft not credible, and overall, what kinds of additional sources are needed to verify a living person’s bio when the majority of their career is documented by government and government-adjacent sources.

Thanks in advance for the guidance. 🙏🙏 This is my first attempt at major drafting and it seems this is a bigger project than I had intended. Lfdigests (talk) 23:56, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

You need more articles from reliable sources to confirm notability. See WP: NOTABILITY. Ahri Boy (talk) 00:03, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Automatic search for red links

Hello ! Anybody can say me if there are a way for an automatic search for red links ?

When I see an article with red links. If there are articles about the topic available in another language than English.
I create an interlanguage link.

I'm unable to translate into English because I'm not a native speaker of this language and my translations could be too literal.
I can translate from English into French but not the reverse.

Therefore , create an interlanguage link is a good beginning but I don't know if we can search these links with internal search engine of Wikipedia. Anatole-berthe (talk) 23:59, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

You might ask any MediaWiki dev about your idea. Ahri Boy (talk) 00:01, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your answer !

I don't know where to find a developper.

I don't ever known where can I look to find one of them.

Can you help me ? Anatole-berthe (talk) 00:10, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

See mw:Project:Support desk. Ahri Boy (talk) 00:45, 26 November 2024 (UTC)