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[edit]- Reema Debnath (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:NACTOR. She has not played a leading role in any film either. There's no significant coverage about her in the sources and in WP:BRFORE search. Google news also shows 0 coverage about this individual. Nxcrypto Message 12:21, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete. One supporting role in major(ish) film isn't enough to satisfy WP:NACTOR.
P.S. What is WP:BRFORE? I'm new in AfD, I mostly took part in counterpart project in Polish Wikipedia.OK, I think you meant WP:BEFORE :) Tupungato (talk) 12:35, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Article fails WP:GNG, WP:BASIC and WP:NACTOR. Charlie (talk) 16:59, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Mayur Chauhan (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Subject was twice declined in AfC and also fails NACTOR, as the subject has not had significant roles in notable films or shows. There is no significant coverage in reliable, independent sources apart from the WP:OR added by User:Saurang Vara who denies any COI despite being familiar with the subject's personal information. The subject's role in Chhello Divas does not appear to be significant and none of the other films have substantial content to be considered when evaluating Mayur Chauhan according to NACTOR. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 12:12, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
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- What makes you say his 3 roles in productions that have a page on this WP are not significant? And why should Karsandas Pay & Use be considered non-notable? I found some coverage about Saiyar Mori Re too. He seems to meet WP:NACTOR, -Mushy Yank. 13:47, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- The mentioned films do not meet WP:NFOE/ WP:NFILM. Karsandas Pay & Use has two reviews, one from TOI with an unknown critic and another from an unknown website. Saiyar Mori Re has no reception section and Samandar (film) has two local reviews! From a WP:BEFORE search, none of these films have been distributed outside Gujarat. Just because these films have articles on Wikipedia does not mean they are notable in the first place to be used as evaluation criteria for Mayur Chauhan. Either way, there is zero coverage of the subject in reliable independent sources. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 14:53, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- Aaman Devgan (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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No WP:SIGCOV sources have been found. The available sources are passing mentions related to the new Azaad film and Ajay Devgn. As the Azaad film has not been released yet, WP:NACTOR is not met, and WP:GNG is also not met. GrabUp - Talk 07:59, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete. This is WP:TOOSOON. The actor is just warming up for his debut film and he is only referenced as a nephew to a purported movie star. Mekomo (talk) 10:48, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Azaad (2025 film) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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No significant coverage (SIGCOV) has been found. The film is set to be released next year, so there are no reviews available, failing to meet the criteria of WP:NFILM. GrabUp - Talk 07:55, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment: If reviews were the chief criteria for having a film article, all upcoming films listed at List of American films of 2025 should also be nominated for deletion. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 08:03, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Krimuk2.0: That’s one of the important criteria currently being used in AfDs related to films, which is why I mentioned it. However, the film still does not pass GNG. GrabUp - Talk 08:25, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Abhishek Kapoor: until more independent coverage exists (and then revert the redirect and expand) but not opposed to Keep (release announced in January; notable cast and crew, known premise) if other users think it's OK. -Mushy Yank. 10:00, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- Rmr. Ragulvarma (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I couldn't find any information about this individual through Google searches, which makes me inclined towards this being a hoax. None of the references cited in the article appear to mention the person, and the content seems to be copied from the article on R. S. Munirathinam. Since the article was accepted via AfC, initiating a deletion discussion might be the most appropriate action. Hitro talk 07:41, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete. Google search for this 'politician' amounted to a waste of time as there are no hints about them in search result. This article at best is a hoax. And if it is not a hoax it also has to go because it is unsourced and cannot be verified. Mekomo (talk) 10:55, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- This article is unsourced because an IP user removed content some time ago. You can review the edit history to find the sources that were previously included. Hitro talk 11:00, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Might this be a hijack, rather than hoax? The version which was accepted at AfC said this person won elections in the 1970-80s, whereas the current version says he was only born in 1999. --DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:53, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- The "Electoral Performance" section appears to be directly copied from the article R. S. Munirathinam, including its references. None of the references in this version mentions him either. They have just created Draft:P RAGULVARMA. Hitro talk 12:16, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, one of a series of hoax articles by SP/MP, based on K. Venu (Tamil Nadu politician).
- See WP:Sockpuppet investigations/RAGULVARMA PRABHU/Archive, Draft:RAGULVARMA PRABHU, DEEPA RAGULVARMA, Draft:DEEPA RAGULVARMA, PMK RAGULVARMA, Draft:RAGULVARMA PMK, User:RMR2004/sandbox and Draft:RAGULVARMA RMR. Falls well within CSD criteria of A7, G3 and A10, or G5 if anyone fancies reopening the SPI. Wikishovel (talk) 13:30, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. A complete mess aside from the issues mentioned above. Procyon117 (talk) 15:49, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: I decided to do some digging and found this, which appears to be the election results from the 2021 Gummidipoondi legislative election, and there was no candidate with the name "Rmr. Ragulvarma." This contemporary source appears to corroborate that. This is a hoax. JJPMaster (she/they) 16:53, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- IForIndia (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Notability-tagged for 11 years. Fails WP:10YT and WP:NORG. Didn't get off the ground insofar as the website is dead and the Facebook page was last updated in 2019. Geschichte (talk) 22:27, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per WP:NORG. --Tupungato (talk) 12:41, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as per nom. -Samoht27 (talk) 17:04, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- Saudamini Mishra (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Article lacking WP:GNG and WP:BIO . Nxcrypto Message 17:06, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep- she has been featured on reliable sources. Like
https://www.business-standard.com/content/specials/beauty-and-brains-as-never-seen-before-in-the-genius-of-the-bestselling-autho r-and-artist-saudamini-mishra-aka-dhi-who-has-mastered-her-art-and-the-selling-of-it-to-change-lives-121030901304_1.html and https://www.business-standard.com/content/specials/saudamini-mishra-changing-lives-with-the-most-intellectual-stories-1201118011 79_1.html and https://www.indiatoday.in/impact-feature/story/author-saudamini-mishra-releases-her-fifth-bestselling-book-dhi-s-law-of-nine-archety pes-of-dhi-s-transformation-series-1985264-2022-08-08 and https://thedailyguardian.com/i-wanted-lives-to-be-changed-saudamini/ . 3 sourcs is enough for notability.Stromeee (talk) 17:31, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Most of your sources don't work (linking errors). You might need to fix them. Procyon117 (talk) 14:18, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete no serious third party coverage as far as I can tell.-KH-1 (talk) 23:39, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- Foreign relations of the Magadhan Empire (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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A mess of WP:SYNTH connecting disparate incidents across centuries. The subject topic itself ("Foreign relations of the Magadhan Empire") has received no significant coverage in reliable sources. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:11, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Excuse me? The article has sources backing up everything.
- "Connecting disparate incidents", what do even mean by that? Obviously I would check out all the dynasties and not just one single one JingJongPascal (talk) 15:22, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep has proper sources backing everything up.
- JingJongPascal (talk) 15:26, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as per nom. Coeusin (talk) 15:48, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Foreign relations of the Mughal Empire also does not have a source saying it's distcintity JingJongPascal (talk) 17:15, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: @JingJongPascal Its not that even if article is verifiable it be created per WP:Verifiability#Verifiability does not guarantee inclusion this whole article can better be a subsection in Magadha article.Nor it has sufficient enough of being standing alone.
- Edasf«Talk» 15:56, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as per nom. Coeusin (talk) 15:48, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as per nom. Not covered as a distinct topic in sources. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 16:10, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Per nom. All the content, if it is not already there, should go to the individual pages - Nanda, Maurya etc. Arnav Bhate (talk • contribs) 12:23, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - Per nomination. Another example of nationalistic revision of history that is taking place in India and Wikipedia being used for it. - Ratnahastin (talk) 18:29, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- Principality of Pataliputra (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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"Principality of Pataliputra" is an unsourced term and the content of this article is about the city for which we already have an excellent article Pataliputra. This article appears to be a POV fork of that article, primarily designed to push the idea of a continuity between mythology (the Magadha kingdoms described in Hindu mythological texts) and history (the Mauryas) RegentsPark (comment) 16:54, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
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- @RegentsPark I am unable to understand wha is your argument of of Mythological Hindu Magadha Kingdom and Mauryas since this article is related to none of them its about a polity that existed after fall of Kanvas and until rise of Guptas. Edasf«Talk» 13:42, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, all your argumetns are wrong
- The article is not about the city
- The article is not about any mythological kingdom
- The article is not a POV fork, as i took nothing from city article and it is not related to it.
- Keep, all your argumetns are wrong
JingJongPascal (talk) 17:00, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete I'm not seeing any significant coverage of the article subject in the sources provided; seems to be largely WP:SYNTH. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 21:53, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- The sources for the magadha between kanvas and guptas is very scarce. But as per wiki guidelines, even if a article is not big or long , it doesn't mean it should be deleted WP:Stub JingJongPascal (talk) 08:22, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- As per the first source in the article, after kanvas got defeated. Magadha became a principality centred around Pataliputra.
- And according to same source, "Gupta's restored magadha to an dominant power again"
- So the interval between kanvas and guptas , magadha was a principality. JingJongPascal (talk) 08:30, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- None of that original research matters JingJongPascal. If there is not significant coverage in reliable sources, the article is not notable enough for Wikipedia. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 13:19, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- It isn't original research.
- My sources clearly states that Magadha reduced to a principality around Pataliputra.
- And it was ruled until gupta empire JingJongPascal (talk) 13:25, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- I refer you to the second sentence of my recent comment. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:20, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- None of that original research matters JingJongPascal. If there is not significant coverage in reliable sources, the article is not notable enough for Wikipedia. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 13:19, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as per nom and Airship. Can't see anything salvageable from this article, sorry. Coeusin (talk) 09:12, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- As per wiki guidelines, an article is not judged by its content but by the content it has the potentional for. Just because the article doesn't have important points doesn't makes the article "less salvageable",
- WITHOUT this article , we are missing nearly a 300 year gap between Magadhan Empire and Gupta Empire (rulers of Magadha).
- This principality was ruled by pre-imperial gupta kings. It has very less sources for it, as the info is very scarce. (Mentioned in article with proper sources mentioning that records are less).
- WP:STUB JingJongPascal (talk) 10:03, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Magadhan Empire (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Redundant POV fork created after merging content from Magadha, without any discussion or consensus, this article stayed as a redirect for over 18 years before too. Nxcrypto Message 11:33, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep: The topic certainly has notability and large coverage in scholarly sources to have a separate article on it (see Scholar or Books). Scholars describe the entity that existed from Bimbisara till the Kanvas as the Magadhan Empire. The article was not forked per se; it is a new article mostly, as the content about later dynasties and the lead are new, while the content about the Haryankas were moved from Magadha to this article. Historians make a distinction between the Magadha and the Magadhan Empire as seperate polities, with the latter being founded by Bimbisara and the former being a Mahajanapada of the Vedic era, as well as region based in it. PadFoot (talk) 11:59, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - No scholar describes or conflates two different polities which existed in the same region with a break of at least 300 years between them as the "Magadhan Empire" . This article appears to be a pseudohistorical narrative created solely to promote nationalist POV. - Ratnahastin (talk) 11:59, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Ratnahastin, I, the creator, had not included the Guptas in this article, it was included without consensus by the nominator, it is clearly the nominator who is POV pushing. He has been edit warring for the inclusion of the Guptas into this article and created a GIF showing the two together. See revision history of the article itself. PadFoot (talk) 12:02, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Ratnahastin, the Gupta mentions have been removed. PadFoot (talk) 12:29, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Ratnahastin, I, the creator, had not included the Guptas in this article, it was included without consensus by the nominator, it is clearly the nominator who is POV pushing. He has been edit warring for the inclusion of the Guptas into this article and created a GIF showing the two together. See revision history of the article itself. PadFoot (talk) 12:02, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep The article clearly has sources supporting it's legitimacy and is not a POV fork in anyway.
- "Mahajanapada" clearly means a kingdom during the Vedic and post Vedic period, Magadhan Empire exceeds this period and hence should not BE merged within "Magadha" article. The article's header clearly has sources mentioning the dynasties which ruled the empire and hence justifying it's legitimacy. JingJongPascal (talk) 12:33, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- @JingJongPascal Read WP:POVFORK, It says "In contrast POV forks generally arise when contributors disagree about the content of an article or other page. Instead of resolving that disagreement by consensus, another version of the article (or another article on the same subject) is created to be developed according to a particular point of view." There was no consensus for creating this separate article. Creating it only for pushing a POV is not allowed. Nxcrypto Message 15:13, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- There is no 'POV' here. The article is about the Imperial entity of Magadha.
- But the 'Magadha' is the article about the Mahajanapada.
- A Mahajanapada is a kingdom which existed in india during vedic period, and hence should/ does not extent much.
- Other than that PadFoot has provivded source the 'empire' in the first Paragraph of the article only. JingJongPascal (talk) 15:17, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- POV Fork would be when he makes two articles about same things with minor differences on his POV.
- This ISNT POV fork. JingJongPascal (talk) 15:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- @JingJongPascal Read WP:POVFORK, It says "In contrast POV forks generally arise when contributors disagree about the content of an article or other page. Instead of resolving that disagreement by consensus, another version of the article (or another article on the same subject) is created to be developed according to a particular point of view." There was no consensus for creating this separate article. Creating it only for pushing a POV is not allowed. Nxcrypto Message 15:13, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - As per Ratnahastin. This could be the definition of POV fork. There might be room for an article like Chinese Empire for India, but this isn't it. Coeusin (talk) 09:16, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- How exactly is it a POV fork?
- There are clear sources indicating the legitimacy of the article. Seems pretty dubious to me , announcing it as a "POV fork"
- A POV fork means extracting a article and creating a new one similar to it .
- While this is of a different political entity.
- Magadha and Magadhan Empire are 2 different things.
- Magadha was a mahajanapada aswell as a region. JingJongPascal (talk) 12:54, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Coeusin, Ratnahastin made the argument that no scholar includes Guptas in the Magadhan Empire, but there is no mention of the Guptas in the article at all now. Besides, did you look at Google scholar to see if historians talk about it? If you would've (which you presumably didn't), you would have noticed a very significant coverage of it by scholars. It is a mainstream topic in ancient Indian history. It is not a fork, it is a completely seperate article, I only moved some content about the early dynasties, the majority of the information including the lead, is completely new. The Magadha article is about the Mahajanapada which predated the empire, and the region that later went on to form the core of it. PadFoot (talk) 13:07, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- @PadFoot2008, the Magadha article is fine. That's where this content should end, also. Ratnahastin did not mention the Guptas in his message and his point still stands. @JingJongPascal, it is a POV Fork between the already existing articles for the separate Indian empires and this. I looked at your sources and even them aren't categorical about the existence of a Magadhan Empire; instead, this is a term just being used to refer to the various polities in this period of Indian history, centered around what was the historic Magadha kingdom. This article is pushing an interpretation of unbroken continuity amongst these various kingdoms. Coeusin (talk) 13:12, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Coeusin, Ratnahastin did not mention the Guptas? You seem to completely miss his point. He says here:
No scholar describes or conflates two different polities which existed in the same region with a break of at least 300 years between them as the "Magadhan Empire"
The two polities he mentions which have a gap of 300 years between them are the first Magadhan Empire and the second Magadhan Empire (Guptas). PadFoot (talk) 13:19, 18 November 2024 (UTC)- @PadFoot2008, and between the Haryankas and the Kanvas there is a gap of 340 years. Doesn't the point still stand? Coeusin (talk) 13:25, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Coeusin, So the opinion of scholars doesn't matter? Historians such as Sailendra Nath Sen, R.C. Majumdar, V.D. Mahajan all mention it in their works:
- "Ancient Indian History and Civilization", Sailendra Nath Sen:
Thus the foundation of the Magadhan empire laid by Bimbisara was now firmly established as a result of the subtle diplomacy of Ajatasatru. [...] Though the Sungas did not play any conspicuous part in Indian history they at least arrested the tide of foreign invasion and saved the Magadhan empire from disintegration.
- "Ancient India", RC Majumdar:
The Kanva dynasty, founded by Vasudeva, comprised only four kings, and ruled over the Magadhan empire for a period of 45 years. The fourth king Susarman was overthrown by the Andhras in or about 27 B. C.
- "Ancient Indian History and Civilization", Sailendra Nath Sen:
- PadFoot (talk) 13:47, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- @PadFoot2008, of course it does! The fun thing about social sciences is how they are built, from disagreements between scholars and the constant income of new methods and evidence. Of course, sometimes new arguments come with political/economic/we motivation behind them, but that's just part of the game. Weber, 120 years ago, established how nothing that's written in the social sciences is fully objective, and that's fine. The sources you cite have biases, just as the ones I will cite now do. Let's first look at "The Oxford History of India" (1919), perhaps the first source that comes to mind when we think about Indian history. Its chapters are sorted in the following manner:
- Book I: Ancient India
- Prehistoric India
- Literature...
- The pre-Maurya States
- Book II: Hindu India from the beginning of the Maurya Dynasty in 322 B.C. to the 7th century A.C.
- Chandragupta Maurya, the first historical emperor of India...
- Book I: Ancient India
- But let's look at another, more recent, source. "Main trends in the historiography of the early Maurya Empire since independence", by Shankar Goyal (1995). In it, though he does use the term Magadhan Empire to talk about the Mauryan dynasty, he also quotes the following from Romila Thapar about the Mauryas and Magadhan:
The Mauryan state was an empire to the extent that it did control a large territory with culturally differentiated peoples and its nucleus, the state of Magadha, was enriched by the flow of revenue and resources from other regions.
- Afterwards, he discusses another trend in the literature in the following manner:
On certain points Bongard-Levin's observations are difficult to be accepted. For example, his assumption that slavery was widespread in Magadha and the neighbouring areas whereas in some of the more outlying regions, the tribal system still prevailed (p. 176), is difficult to be conceded.
- In conclusion, there may as well be many other works in the historiography where the various pre-Maurya dynasties and the Maurya, mostly centered around Pataliputra, are grouped together as Magadhan Empires (or even Empire), but that is a point of view in academia, far from unanymous and likely fringe. Far more common seems to be the use of Magadha simply as the geographical region centered around Pataliputra, the ancient imperial capital. The Latin, Byzantine and Ottoman Empires all had Constantinople as their capital, but were they continuations of the same entity? The various rulers of the Magadhan states also didn't share a common religion. Cheers, Coeusin (talk) 15:42, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Coeusin, A common religion? A religion doesn't matter in the slightest here. We do not talk of capitals here at all. In fact, the Magadhan Empire didn't have a single capital throughout its existence, similar to many other historical entities. Capitals too do not matter at all. The Magadhan Empire had a clear continuity and was a single unbroken continuously existing polity. The Sisunagas overthrew the Haryankas in a rebellion. The Nandas murdered the last Sisunaga. The Mauryas again overthrew the last Nanda in a rebellion. The Śungas assasinated the last Maurya. The Kanvas assasinated the last Śunga. There is a clear continuity here and the existence of a singular polity where dynasties follow in quick succession. They didn't 'conquer' each other. The Ottoman Empire existed side by side the Byzantine Empire and the former ended up conquering the latter. We don't have a continuity or a single polity. Lastly, there are simply numerous sources that assert its existence. Just look at Google Scholar. It is not in the slightest a fringe topic. PadFoot (talk) 15:52, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- Also @Coeusin, the 1919 source not mentioning Magadhan Empire does not constitute an argument against it. A source not mentioning it doesn't mean that it presents an argument against it. No scholar says that "Magadhan Empire" is biased topic. PadFoot (talk) 16:02, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- It's not the lack of a mention that is the main point, rather the treatment of Chandragupta as the first Emperor. Before then, V. A. Smith quite emphatically treats the states as kingdoms, which is a big distinction. Coeusin (talk) 16:08, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- @PadFoot2008, seeing as I am almost as far away geographically and spiritually from the Eastern religions and their place of birth as possible, I do not see what I could possibly have at stake here. Alas; the fact that the other dynasties didn't come to Pataliputra as conquerors doesn't really mean much - take, for instance, the times when kingdoms absorved other kingdoms through marriage in Europe. Charles the Bold's death meant the end of Burgundy, though the palace and court in Dijon remained.
- If we do not talk of capitals here, we should, for that is the main (and perhaps only) link between all the various dynasties mentioned in the article. Finally, the quantity of mentions in Google Scholar do not matter as much as they usually would; the term seems often to be used to refer only to the Mauryas (as it was during the time of the Mauryas), as in the example I cited above, or referring to the geographical region, centered around the ancient kingdom's core lands. Ideally, we should be able to find a paper analysing these as historical currents, but so far I've had no luck. Regards, Coeusin (talk) 16:06, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Coeusin Apologies for accusing you of bias. It doesn't appear to me that you have any bias at all. It seems to me that you are a good faith editor. But even then, do you not see the continuity as I described above? Why should you think that a single polity cannot have more than one ruling family?. See Duchy of Moscow, Kingdom of France, Kingdom of England and countless other entities, all these had multiple dynasties. Certainly, you would not think that their capital alone makes them a single entity? PadFoot (talk) 16:14, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Coeusin? PadFoot (talk) 16:55, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry @PadFoot2008, I have a paper due tomorrow lol. Yes, states with various ruling families can be a single polity, just as they can not be! Also, I thought all the dynasties the article named shared Pataliputra as a capital, was this not the case? Thanks, Coeusin (talk) 21:27, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Coeusin Apologies for accusing you of bias. It doesn't appear to me that you have any bias at all. It seems to me that you are a good faith editor. But even then, do you not see the continuity as I described above? Why should you think that a single polity cannot have more than one ruling family?. See Duchy of Moscow, Kingdom of France, Kingdom of England and countless other entities, all these had multiple dynasties. Certainly, you would not think that their capital alone makes them a single entity? PadFoot (talk) 16:14, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- Also @Coeusin, the 1919 source not mentioning Magadhan Empire does not constitute an argument against it. A source not mentioning it doesn't mean that it presents an argument against it. No scholar says that "Magadhan Empire" is biased topic. PadFoot (talk) 16:02, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Coeusin, A common religion? A religion doesn't matter in the slightest here. We do not talk of capitals here at all. In fact, the Magadhan Empire didn't have a single capital throughout its existence, similar to many other historical entities. Capitals too do not matter at all. The Magadhan Empire had a clear continuity and was a single unbroken continuously existing polity. The Sisunagas overthrew the Haryankas in a rebellion. The Nandas murdered the last Sisunaga. The Mauryas again overthrew the last Nanda in a rebellion. The Śungas assasinated the last Maurya. The Kanvas assasinated the last Śunga. There is a clear continuity here and the existence of a singular polity where dynasties follow in quick succession. They didn't 'conquer' each other. The Ottoman Empire existed side by side the Byzantine Empire and the former ended up conquering the latter. We don't have a continuity or a single polity. Lastly, there are simply numerous sources that assert its existence. Just look at Google Scholar. It is not in the slightest a fringe topic. PadFoot (talk) 15:52, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- @PadFoot2008, of course it does! The fun thing about social sciences is how they are built, from disagreements between scholars and the constant income of new methods and evidence. Of course, sometimes new arguments come with political/economic/we motivation behind them, but that's just part of the game. Weber, 120 years ago, established how nothing that's written in the social sciences is fully objective, and that's fine. The sources you cite have biases, just as the ones I will cite now do. Let's first look at "The Oxford History of India" (1919), perhaps the first source that comes to mind when we think about Indian history. Its chapters are sorted in the following manner:
- @Coeusin, So the opinion of scholars doesn't matter? Historians such as Sailendra Nath Sen, R.C. Majumdar, V.D. Mahajan all mention it in their works:
- @PadFoot2008, and between the Haryankas and the Kanvas there is a gap of 340 years. Doesn't the point still stand? Coeusin (talk) 13:25, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- The first line of the article has a source clearly stating that ....
- https://books.google.co.in/books?id=Oi7lzN6-W5MC&redir_esc=y
- Pg - 28 JingJongPascal (talk) 13:21, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Can you quote it for me? Thanks! Coeusin (talk) 13:23, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Coeusin, Ratnahastin did not mention the Guptas? You seem to completely miss his point. He says here:
- But yeah, adding the Guptas here would be particularly bad. Look how silly it looks in the Indian Empire disambig. Coeusin (talk) 13:14, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- @PadFoot2008, the Magadha article is fine. That's where this content should end, also. Ratnahastin did not mention the Guptas in his message and his point still stands. @JingJongPascal, it is a POV Fork between the already existing articles for the separate Indian empires and this. I looked at your sources and even them aren't categorical about the existence of a Magadhan Empire; instead, this is a term just being used to refer to the various polities in this period of Indian history, centered around what was the historic Magadha kingdom. This article is pushing an interpretation of unbroken continuity amongst these various kingdoms. Coeusin (talk) 13:12, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment TL;DR this article is a mess of unbalanced source misrepresentation and WP:SYNTHESIS which fundamentally misunderstands academic historiography, but it still retains a smidgen of potential. Here's why:
- Yes, Magadha was often a nucleus of the states/dynasties mentioned, who for centuries tended to have their capital at Pataliputra. Thus, they can all be termed "Magadhan" empires. However, this article's construction of a single continuous "Magadhan Empire" that lasted from the sixth century to the first century is unfounded in historical thought. The dynasties it claims to comprise were distinct and presenting them as chronologically contiguous does push a certain POV.
- Here, then, is what I would propose. This article should be renamed to "Magadhan polities" or similar—certainly it should not be in the singular. Most of the article should be cut so that it employs summary style to discuss all the polities it covers, not the overwhelming bias towards Maurya that we currently see. The frankly-pitiful sub-articles such as Foreign relations of Magadha should be deleted (I have now nominated it).
- In the end, what would be achieved is a really quite encyclopedic summary of the "Magadhan polities" which details their evolution and differences. So if you wnt to quantify that into a !vote, it would be weak keep but only with renaming and complete reorganisation, otherwise delete. In short, something needs to be done. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:18, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- "combining different dynasties", An Empire and Dynasty are different things. Serveral dynasties can rule a single political entity.
- PadFoot has clearly mentioned sources above by scholars stating it as the Magadhan Empire. JingJongPascal (talk) 13:59, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- My above comment clearly explains why I believe that is misinterpretation of the sources. A productive response would engage with my comment, not duplicate PadFoot2008's reasoning. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:28, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: I will go with deleting this article. The Magadha Empire page is not really necessary, as the information about the monarchs of Magadha is already covered in the List of monarchs of Magadha. The details about the various dynasties and rulers of Magadha can be effectively presented in that list, rendering a separate page for the "Magadha Empire" is redundant. It might be more efficient to focus on consolidating the information in the list rather than creating an additional, separate page and this might be Fork too, Although this is just my opinion, correct me if I am wrong here.
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- Delete: I agree with AirshipJungleman29. It can be kept as a summary article under a different name otherwise it should be deleted. Arnav Bhate (talk • contribs) 12:36, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- Nindu Noorella Savaasam (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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No significant coverage in reliable sources. First two sources are about the remake and I can find no significant coverage to establish notability for the original here. Creation by UPE and redirect edit warred by IP so I would not recommend a redirect as an ATD unless it can be fully protected to avoid disruption. CNMall41 (talk) 22:36, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect to List_of_programmes_broadcast_by_Zee_Telugu#Fiction: had 400+ episodes, relatively notable cast; each episode is covered in bylined articles (with a lot of synopsis, true) in the Hindustan Times (in Telugu) see https://telugu.hindustantimes.com/topic/nindu-noorella-savasam-serial/news; or on News18. https://telugu.news18.com/news/movies/bhagamathi-strong-warning-to-manohari-in-today-nindu-noorella-savasam-serial-nv-2567568.html?agreed=5?agreed=5, Opposed to deletion, given it was remade in Tamil and a redirect would keep history and facilitate navigation. -Mushy Yank. 02:48, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
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- War 2 (2025 film) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Moved to draft based on AfD discussion. Multiple attempts at recreation since that time with several of them being moved back to draft space. Now another SPA creating it in mainspace. Nothing notable about the production and not scheduled for release until a year from now. References are mainly announcements, but again, nothing notable about the production so falls under WP:TOOSOON. Recommend delete and protecting the title at this point. CNMall41 (talk) 22:00, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect to War_(2019_film)#Sequel: but given filming has begun and production has received coverage, not really opposed to Keep. Opposed to deletion. Mushy Yank (talk) 00:50, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Draftify per WP:TOOSOON. Likely to become notable in the near future.4meter4 (talk) 01:15, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- Draftify per WP:TOOSOON per above reason TheSlumPanda (talk) 09:12, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- Draftify, while I do agree that most sources I found on the web are mainly announcements that are some form of WP:ROUTINE news, there exist sources such as [1] and [2] which do not fall into the category, so neither deletion nor even redirection would be feasible. Considering the the movie is set to be released in August 2025, it would be fair to just draftify the page, salt the title and move protect the draft. ToadetteEdit (talk) 20:02, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - we already have Draft:War 2, Draft:War 2 (film) and Draft:War 2 (2025 film) - so I don't know where you would "Draftify" this to, but the four need combining (and NO, I am not volunteering) - Arjayay (talk) 11:35, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- I agree. It has been disruptive and continues to be. The drafts need nuked and title protected. --CNMall41 (talk) 19:12, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- Utkarsh Gupta (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Still fails WP:NACTOR, so fails WP:GNG. One ref, questionable, was added after the previous AFC decline, and it isn't WP:SIRS. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:33, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete. Page was previously deleted, created by sock account, and created again by IP likely same sock and after AFC decline, it was submitted for AFC review again by sock account User:Aloo92. From 14 srcs on the page, 8 are unreliable sources and the other 6 have no significant coverage on the subject to pass WP:NACTOR. RangersRus (talk) 12:52, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep. "I came across this page on AFC and was about to reject it after seeing the record of the previous 8 deletions and the poor references cited. But, after some web research(which I do for all pages I reviewed), I found some reliable sources, (i.e: [3], [4], [5], [6],[7] and [8], I believed it met WP:NACTOR and convinced me to grant it a chance for improvement and a notability banner is all that's required, let's wait for the votes. ANUwrites
- Source 1 and 2 are not independent, source 3 has mention about subject quitting mtv show, source 4 and 6 are unreliable WP:ICTFSOURCES and Source 5 is passing mention about the subject about being first choice for the show. RangersRus (talk) 20:47, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
- How's source 2 not independent in entertainment category? Reminder, it's ruled out as not entirely independent in politics because of it's Political Alignment with the current indian regime.[1] Source 2 isn't the passing mention as it covers the subject who's quitting the show also source 5 covers two actors who were competing for some film role, the subject is among them, how's that the passing mention? (Reminder: Article titles usually tell readers what/who the article is going to cover/who's the subject). source 4 and 6 which are from the same website are indeed ruled as questionable in most cases but looking at it's discussion here, you have to choose what to source as it's still trusted by majority, also we are required to read any questionable context to see whether there's any sign of WP:COI, these articles (4&6) which are said to be of 2015 have some quality and reliable information in them plus less or no promotion. I still think the article should be kept. ANUwrites 12:45, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- Source 4 and 6 are unreliable for all reasons and that is why by consensus it was listed under unreliable Wikipedia:WikiProject_Film/Indian_cinema_task_force#Generally_used_sources. You can discuss about the source on WP:ICTFSOURCES talk page. When I mentioned about source 2 not independent means that the article is not independent of the claims (interview) made by the subject himself. Sources are recommended to be secondary independent. Source 5 is just passing mention and nothing significant that is needed to pass notability. RangersRus (talk) 13:54, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- How's source 2 not independent in entertainment category? Reminder, it's ruled out as not entirely independent in politics because of it's Political Alignment with the current indian regime.[1] Source 2 isn't the passing mention as it covers the subject who's quitting the show also source 5 covers two actors who were competing for some film role, the subject is among them, how's that the passing mention? (Reminder: Article titles usually tell readers what/who the article is going to cover/who's the subject). source 4 and 6 which are from the same website are indeed ruled as questionable in most cases but looking at it's discussion here, you have to choose what to source as it's still trusted by majority, also we are required to read any questionable context to see whether there's any sign of WP:COI, these articles (4&6) which are said to be of 2015 have some quality and reliable information in them plus less or no promotion. I still think the article should be kept. ANUwrites 12:45, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. A WP:NACTOR pass with at least 2 lead/main cast roles (ergo significant) in notable productions; existing sources (some presented here) allow to verify it. Mushy Yank (talk) 23:46, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Source Analysis. Note that in show "Kaisi yeh yaariaan" the subject was not a lead but played the character of best friend of the main lead.
- Source 1 writes about the subject quitting the show by sharing subject's Twitter message.
- Source 2 is unreliable WP:IBTIMES
- Source 3 is promotion and advertising the subject by sharing his Instagram.
- Source 4 is passing mention.
- Source 5 is passing mention about the subject being one of the contestant on the MTV Splitsvilla Season 8
- Source 6 is unreliable WP:IBTIMES
- Source 7 is unreliable WP:ICTFSOURCES
- Source 8 has videos of different episodes of a show "Pyar Tune Kya Kiya" and the subject was in episode 1.
- Source 9 is unreliable WP:ICTFSOURCES.
- Source 10 is unreliable WP:ICTFSOURCES.
- Source 11 is not independent with interview of the subject talking about his role in the upcoming TV show.
- Source 12 is unreliable WP:ICTFSOURCES
- Source 13 is dead 404.
- Source 14 is linked to jio cinema and suppose to show overview info on fuh se fantasy web series but quickly jumps to another screen but nothing significant on the subject.
- Source 15 does not even have an entry about the subject. RangersRus (talk) 13:44, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - Two or more roles with verification of those roles is not what WP:NACTOR means. Two or more roles give us the presumption that there is significant coverage (not just verification). The coverage here is all churnalism, unreliable, or WP:NEWSORGINDIA. --CNMall41 (talk) 19:32, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- Yagyavalkya Institute of Technology (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Hardly to meet WP:SIGCOV. Fails WP:GNG. Rajeev Gaur123 (talk) 01:53, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete. Page does not satisfy the notability guidelines for organization. Poor sources on the page with no significant coverage. Fails WP:NSCHOOL. RangersRus (talk) 13:42, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Unable to find any SIGCOV Bernie Clay Bear (talk) 01:06, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I noticed some media coverage for this topic available on their website here. However, as the article has been unsourced for several years, I attempted to add references and make improvements. If the consensus leans towards deletion, I suggest moving the article to the draft space instead. This would preserve the work done so far and allow for potential future updates, especially if significant coverage emerges later. Alternatively, the draft could be moved to my sandbox for further development. Macrobreed2 (talk) 02:33, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, per others. I'm also unable to find any WP:SIGCOV. Svampesky (talk) 13:15, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- Elephant football (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:GNG. No secondary sources that shows WP:SIGCOV Demt1298 (talk) 20:25, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
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- There appears to be some coverage of the topic of elephants playing football, e.g. Newsweek, Reuters, The Independent, AS, News9, as well as some books, e.g. [9] & [10]. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:40, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Elephants are sadly abused in many ways, but the fact that this happens doesn't make it a specific notable topic. If anything there can be a sentence at Elephant polo saying they are forced to play other sports, but these sources don't justify an article here. Reywas92Talk 21:49, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep or perhaps find a suitable WP:ATD such as a merge to Captive elephants. There is coverage on this (both as an event and people protesting it) in secondary sources: [11], [12], [13], [14], [15], [16], [17] Best.4meter4 (talk) 02:36, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect to Captive elephants as above. GiantSnowman 08:46, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
- Akshata Krishnamurthy (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Page does not seem to meet WP:NACADEMIC, reads more like a self-promotional page, and focuses more on what the subject's projects have achieved rather than the subject themselves. Tammy0507 (talk) 13:01, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per half agreement with nom. Although we can rewrite the article, if NACADEMIC is not met, there is no point Cooldudeseven7 join in on the tea talk 15:19, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- The subject could meet GNG and not PROF. Espresso Addict (talk) 16:41, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I find it interesting when a user's first edit on Wikipedia is to nominate a page for deletion, as is the case here. DaffodilOcean (talk) 22:48, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Added Fortune India's Most Powerful Women List reference, and other interview references. Subject passes WP:GNG as there seem to be sufficient WP:RS. Shiv989 (talk)
- Comment. I don't believe WP:PROF is met by citations; if one removes the heavily co-authored papers the highest cited on GS is 13. I am concerned that this nomination is brought by a new editor, and that a previous prod was made by another new editor. Espresso Addict (talk) 16:41, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Espresso Addict: And the article was created by a new editor as well. Your point being...? Tammy0507 (talk) 15:20, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- It's rare for new editors to find the deletion processes early in their career here. Espresso Addict (talk) 15:35, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe some of us are looking for a WP:CLEANSTART :) Tammy0507 (talk) 15:57, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- It's rare for new editors to find the deletion processes early in their career here. Espresso Addict (talk) 15:35, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - four of the sources are actually from one issue of Forbes India. Bearian (talk) 02:40, 17 November 2024 (UTCIpigott (talk) 13:53, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Sufficient coverage to meet general notability. Probably much more in the Indian press.--Ipigott (talk) 13:53, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- Weak delete. We don't usually put so much weight on the kind of listicle coverage as in Forbes. Apart from that, I see only press releases, the subject's own articles, and early career awards. Looks WP:TOOSOON. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 19:44, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- E. Kumaril Swamy (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Article is almost wholly unreferenced, affected by significant COI editing, and not at all neutral. I am unable to find evidence of WP:SIGCOV anywhere. AntiDionysius (talk) 18:05, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Butting in to note that the article states that there are supposedly over a thousand articles about the subject, including over 70 interviews. Perhaps these could save the article if found? Haven't been able to find anything though. Jornmann32 (talk) 19:05, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah I had the same experience when I went looking. The most good faith interpretation would be that these articles only exist in non-digitised archives, but in that case we would need the COI editor (who says he is the grandson of the subject) to get specific about citations for them. So far he's just been adding Pinterest links. AntiDionysius (talk) 19:08, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete I am not finding any sources online to verify any of the claims made in this article. Two of the three citations fail verification. The external links are not about E. Kumaril Swamy. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 01:28, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - not only can’t I verify key facts, I’ve found at least one piece of evidence of a hoax: the official India Post website has no definitive stamp on or by him. Bearian (talk) 04:14, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Poor sources on the page and with no possibility to verify any significant coverage on the subject and his career. Fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:GNG. RangersRus (talk) 14:01, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
- Adamas International School (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This article about a school has been tagged as unreferenced since 2019. I have carried out WP:BEFORE but cannot find independent, reliable references to add to the article. I do not think it meets WP:GNG, WP:NSCHOOL or WP:NCORP. The school was established in 2004 so it may be WP:TOOSOON for notability to be established. No obvious redirect target - the one for the locality is a stub. Tacyarg (talk) 15:22, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment: As per their website the school is affiliated with Indian Certificate of Secondary Education and Cambridge International Education. Maybe a redirect to one of these will be better per WP:ATD. GrabUp - Talk 15:28, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: There is not even a single reference.--Indian Agent (talk) 23:36, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. No sources on the page. WP:PROMO. Page does not satisfy the notability guidelines for organization. No significant coverage. Fails WP:NSCHOOL. RangersRus (talk) 13:44, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
- Nirantara Ganesh (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I don’t see significant coverage of the subject in the cited sources and those I searched; hence, the subject fails to meet WP:GNG. Additionally, the subject is not an elected MLA or MP and therefore fails to meet WP:NPOL. GrabUp - Talk 14:50, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
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- I am new to Wikipedia and I don't have too much editing knowledge or anything. But I came across this article. This guy is a very famous social worker. Damn famous. I'm not sure whether this has to stay. But he's every famous. Wholeddadawgsout (talk) 16:09, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Wholeddadawgsout: Being
Damn famous
does not inherently make a person notable per our guidelines. Please read WP:NOTABILITY. GrabUp - Talk 16:33, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Wholeddadawgsout: Being
- Thank you for your feedback. However, I’d like to clarify a few points. The subject meets WP:GNG as there is significant coverage in reliable and independent mainstream sources. These sources discuss the subject in depth, not just passing mentions.
- Additionally, while the subject is not an MLA or MP, notability on Wikipedia isn’t limited to holding public office. The article doesn’t contain any promotional content or unverifiable claims; it simply presents factual information based on reliable sources.
- I believe the page meets Wikipedia’s guidelines and provides valuable information. I’d appreciate reconsidering the deletion Anandrajkumar0000 (talk) 16:17, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Anandrajkumar0000: Please provide those significant coverages here so others can evaluate them. GrabUp - Talk 16:31, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete pet WP:MILL - every three weeks, I served two 12- hour shifts as an EMT and also ran for village trustee, in beautiful New Paltz, New York. That doesn’t make me notable, and neither is this doctor/political party jumper/ social worker / damn famous guy notable. Bearian (talk) 04:34, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- Cheema Y (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Likely to fail WP:NMUSIC KH-1 (talk) 06:03, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- any reasons to delete it ?
- i can show you wikipedia pages that have no reference at all that people are not even famous.
- but rightnow in north india this singer trending on number one.
- give reasons to delete it mr.editor.
- thanks. 2001:56B:3FFA:2FFE:C955:65B4:E1FE:305F (talk) 10:24, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- Please list any pages that don't have sourcing or unfamous people, that's also meaning they should at least be tagged for notability, perhaps deleted. Thank you for your help. Oaktree b (talk) 15:44, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- That response comes across as quite immature. Are you really suggesting using other articles as justification for keeping this one? That’s not how we determine whether an article should be deleted. This is Wikipedia, and popularity alone doesn’t equal notability. I suggest familiarizing yourself with Wikipedia's notability guidelines before making such arguments. — MimsMENTOR talk 08:39, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep
- This musical artist is very popular in India. I have noticed a general trend over both wikipedia and wikidata, that artists who are popular in countries outside of the USA are often deleted due to not meeting "notability criteria" despite them often being in the top 10 of popular artists in their own country, especially for artists from India or Africa.
- There are lots of articles on the internet showing his popularity from independent well respected sources e.g.
- https://www.darpanmagazine.com/magazine/spotlight/the-skys-the-limit-cheema-y-on-his-meteoric-rise-with-cloud-9/?page=3
- https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/punjabi/music/cheema-y-the-global-reach-of-punjabi-music-offers-immense-opportunities-for-creative-expression-and-cultural-exchange-exclusive/articleshow/111718249.cms
- Please consider keeping this entry. Thank you. QWER9875 (talk) 10:02, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete. Article is dominated with references to music chat websites which I do not know their reliability status. Only three sources in the article are not music chat websites. This one here[18] is the only source that could count for notability but this unfortunately is not enough. The other two left, one is interview and the other advertorial. Mekomo (talk) 11:16, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Smells of promotion with the flowery language. I'm not sure he's gained much attention as there isn't much of anything in RS. He's briefly mentioned here [19], I can only find Times of India articles that are problematic for the usual reasons. Oaktree b (talk) 15:42, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- Parents' Worship Day (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Per WP:INHERITED, this subject has got little coverage only because of its creator Asaram. The coverage of this subject is nil since Asaram's own image is going through a deep crisis for many years. - Ratnahastin (talk) 12:52, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep: Parents Worship Day is a widely celebrated festival in India. It is well recognized by government officials. As stated in the article: It is officially celebrated by the Chhattisgarh Govt in schools and colleges as ordered by the Chief Minister. State government led by the Bharatiya Janata Party made it an official celebration. In 2017 the District collector in Madhya Pradesh issued a notice for schools to celebrate it and so on. There are a lot of independent and reliable references which prove the validity of these statements. This article must not be nominated for discussion just because the image of the initiator i.e. Asaram Bapu is under crisis. Wikipedia is a platform that depends on facts and notability of an article and this festival is being celebrated since more than 10 years in India and it's a compulsory program to attend for thousands of school students all over India. SukritiVarma (talk) 09:00, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Parents Worship Day is day that's being celebrated officially by the government now. This celebration is compulsory in schools as is evident by these references: [2][3] There are lot more such references, I don't see any valid reason why this page was nominated for deletion, it must be retained. SushasiniGupta (talk) 03:37, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Both of your sources are only saying that this was a government action. Not every day propagated by the government needs to have their own article. Same way we have no article on "Samvidhan Hatya Diwas".[20] CharlesWain (talk) 04:30, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Parents Worship Day is not just a government action, this is a festival that's quite widely accepted by the masses. Since this is a festival that celebrates emotional bond between parents and children, so people of all religion are accepting it. It cannot be compared with Samvidhan Hatya Diwas. Because this festival is celebrated by masses not only in India but in abroad as well.
- 1. Even Muslims are celebrating this day as Abba Ammi Ibadat Diwas [21]
- 2. Sanatan Dharam Sabha Celebrates “Matra Pitra Poojan Diwas” [22]
- 3. News coverage: More than 10,000 people celebrated this event in Kurla [23] SushasiniGupta (talk) 13:13, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Both of your sources are only saying that this was a government action. Not every day propagated by the government needs to have their own article. Same way we have no article on "Samvidhan Hatya Diwas".[20] CharlesWain (talk) 04:30, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. The existence of this article, at the present moment, tantamounts to WP:SOAP. CharlesWain (talk) 04:30, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Note - Both of the editors who voted for "keep" above are blatant WP:SPAs and have edited nothing outside this topic.[24][25] CharlesWain (talk) 04:35, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- As per WP: Neutral Point of View - Articles with reliable sources must be retained, even if the subject is controversial. Decisions in Wikipedia's Articles for Deletion discussions are determined by the strength of arguments based on policies, such as WP:Notability, rather than the edit count of participants. My reasoning highlights the independent cultural significance of Parents Worship Day and its coverage in reliable sources, demonstrating that the topic's notability extends beyond its association with its creator. SushasiniGupta (talk) 13:21, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Please don't use an AI platform to write AfD rationales, or copy basic AfD policies we should all already know. Nate • (chatter) 23:15, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- As per WP: Neutral Point of View - Articles with reliable sources must be retained, even if the subject is controversial. Decisions in Wikipedia's Articles for Deletion discussions are determined by the strength of arguments based on policies, such as WP:Notability, rather than the edit count of participants. My reasoning highlights the independent cultural significance of Parents Worship Day and its coverage in reliable sources, demonstrating that the topic's notability extends beyond its association with its creator. SushasiniGupta (talk) 13:21, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Per nom. No SIGCOV or any long lasting effect. INHERITED is fulfilled. The keep !votes are misleading and do not bring up any credible argument based on our P&Gs. — Benison (Beni · talk) 09:37, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Parents Worship Day has become a cultural event observed by various schools and communities, reflecting its relevance beyond its initial introduction. The day promotes values of respect and gratitude toward parents, which hold significance in societal traditions. Multiple independent sources have documented its observance, indicating it has received attention outside of its originator’s influence. Removing the article would overlook an established practice that resonates with many individuals and groups. I'mAll4 Wiki (talk) 16:03, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep : Per WP:DLC dislike for the subject or Dislike of the creator should not be reason for over-zealous article deletion, the notability of the article should be independently assessed. The nominator of this deletion lists down very plainly their dislike for creator, without arguing on quality or notability of article itself.
- If we can find multiple secondary sources WP:DIVERSE covering this event outside any reference to its creator, this article should not be deleted
- WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE across years (even after presumed interest waning on creator) is another factor in favor of this article
- https://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-jammu-redefines-the-day-as-mother-father-worship-day-2584739 authored by Ishfaq-ul-Hassan on DNA India
- https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/archive/community/parents-worship-day-on-february-14-40462/ on The Tribune India
- Nisingh.8 (talk) 18:08, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- They merely noted the subject is controversial and has a shaky public image. Hardly anywhere near WP:IDLI and just stating a known fact. Nate • (chatter) 23:16, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you @MrSchimpf - i was also merely stating that deletion nomination did not highlight anything apart from creator image and per Wikipedia:INHERITED if creator’s notability cannot be used to lend notability to article, vice-versa also may not apply Nisingh.8 (talk) 09:40, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- Your first source is at best a news release as it concerns celebration of this day by Satsang Prachar Sewa Mandal. Your second source does not even have author information and uses a byline, it's very clearly a press release per WP:NEWSORGINDIA. - Ratnahastin (talk) 00:41, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- They merely noted the subject is controversial and has a shaky public image. Hardly anywhere near WP:IDLI and just stating a known fact. Nate • (chatter) 23:16, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
References
- ^ https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/times-of-india/
- ^ https://www.hindustantimes.com/ranchi/government-school-students-to-worship-parents-in-jharkhand/story-mBGxvrH4HW33cOOZarLSSL.html
- ^ https://www.financialexpress.com/india-news/madhya-pradesh-chhindwara-collector-asks-people-to-worship-their-parents-on-valentines-day/545893/
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- Redirect to Asaram#Teachings and views, which is much clearer about the event than this collection of press releases barely holding this article together, and which has nothing at all (I can't even call it a false balance) from those who still wish to celebrate Valentine's Day and their opposition to this event. Nate • (chatter) 21:24, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- On what basis are you calling independent news coverages as press release?
- If people in India are celebrating Parents Worship Day and government is also making the celebration compulsory in schools, that itself proves how widely this is being adopted in India. It's okay that other people in Western countries or even in India prefer celebrating Valentine's Day but that doesn't mean you are going to delete this page.SushasiniGupta (talk) 16:24, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- Most of the stories specifically say that very few actual people wanted to celebrate it and it was forced upon them as an administrative or government mandate rather than an organic celebration. One of the stories is literally a state education minister putting out PR for the holiday to cover up the subject's various public issues. There are no counter-sources about how others feel about a holiday being forced upon them when another holiday has existed for hundreds of years to celebrate, and the vast majority of sources here talk about veneration of parents, even if they do completely unforgivable things, over loving others. There's no balance here to be found, just blatant PR for an effort to force a holiday upon people. Nate • (chatter) 17:12, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Given the detailed history and widespread adoption of Parents' Worship Day across various Indian states and institutions, the topic demonstrates cultural significance and societal impact. The celebration has been officially recognized by state governments such as Chhattisgarh, Jharkhand, and Gujarat, and has gained support from educational institutions, NGOs, and community organizations. Independent media coverage highlights its relevance as a family-centric alternative to Valentine's Day. These factors satisfy Wikipedia’s general notability guidelines, making it an important cultural phenomenon worth retaining as an article. Exposethefacts (talk) 02:11, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- The Gptzero result for this comment came to be 73% AI generated. Also real world notability=/= Wikipedia notability, you have to prove how this article satisfies Wikipedia guidelines and standards on that. - Ratnahastin (talk) 02:28, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- (Replying after relisting) @Ratnahastin I was trying to broaden up on coverage and notability of event outside its creator, and while below is not comprehensive lists but could eaily find mentions on observance of this event/day at many other places below via simple search -
- Parents Worship Day at a school in Jalandhar [26]
- Parents Worship Day at a school [Kendriya Vidyalaya Cossipore] in Kolkata [27]
- Parents Worship Day event at Rotoract Club of Prestige Institute of Management and Research, Indore [28] (p-175)
- Parents Worship Day as one of the program arranged by National Association for Blind, India [29] (p-39)
- Parents Worship Day by Sri Venkateswara Temple, Michigan, US [30]
- Nisingh.8 (talk) 09:56, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- If all you could find are some random no name schools celebrating this day, then I'm afraid you are only corroborating my point that real world notability=/=Wikipedia notability. - Ratnahastin (talk) 10:15, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- For an article to be notable on Wikipedia, there should be reliable, independent sources, and there exists multiple such sources for Parents Worship Day page. Following are few of the reliable sources for your verification. FYI: These are from the most reliable news websites in India such as : BBC, Times of India etc.
- It's official: Chhattisgarh renames Valentines Day as 'Matru-Pitru Diwas'. [1]
- Parents Worship Day: After Chhattisgarh, Jharkhand To Implement Jailed Godman Asaram’s Advice [2][3]
- Chhattisgarh makes Parents Worship Day a compulsory observance in schools on February 14 [4]
- FYI: I hope you got a gist of how this is notable in terms of Wiki policies, please refer the article and go through all the 30+ references present there. This is a discussion not a list of references so I mentioned only 4. SushasiniGupta (talk) 14:11, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- If all you could find are some random no name schools celebrating this day, then I'm afraid you are only corroborating my point that real world notability=/=Wikipedia notability. - Ratnahastin (talk) 10:15, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- (Replying after relisting) @Ratnahastin I was trying to broaden up on coverage and notability of event outside its creator, and while below is not comprehensive lists but could eaily find mentions on observance of this event/day at many other places below via simple search -
- Real World notability and Wiki notability both criteria are met in this particular article since this festival is famous in real world and a lot of reliable ref links exist to suffice the notabilitySushasiniGupta (talk) 16:28, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- The Gptzero result for this comment came to be 73% AI generated. Also real world notability=/= Wikipedia notability, you have to prove how this article satisfies Wikipedia guidelines and standards on that. - Ratnahastin (talk) 02:28, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- Shradha Sharma (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This article fails WP:NBIO, most of the references are extremely poor or straight up paid articles about her company. [31][32] - Ratnahastin (talk) 15:54, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete fails GNG Lullipedia (talk) 17:03, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Not eligible for Soft Deletion. Liz Read! Talk! 23:39, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - she won a made up in one day award for an up and coming but ultimately run of the content creator. Sources are the usual deprecated ones that are actually advertising. Bearian (talk) 06:12, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- Miss You (film) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This is about an unreleased film which does not satisfy film notability. Unreleased films are only notable if production itself has received significant coverage by reliable sources. A review of the sources shows that they are all announcements or press releases about the film or its songs. The first five references, in four different media, are essentially identical, which is best explained that they are the same press releases to different media.
Reference Number | Reference | Comments | Independent | Significant | Reliable | Secondary |
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1 | The Hindu | States that movie will be filmed. | No. 1 through 5 are the same, and so are a press release. | Not for this purpose | Yes | Yes |
2 | cinemaexpress.com | States that movie will be filmed. | No. 1 through 5 are the same, and so are a press release. | Not for this purpose | Yes | Yes |
3 | thesouthfirst.com | States that movie will be filmed. | No. 1 through 5 are the same, and so are a press release. | Not for this purpose | Yes | Yes |
4 | www.business-standard.com | States that movie will be filmed. | No. 1 through 5 are the same, and so are a press release. | Not for this purpose | Yes | Yes |
5 | The Hindu | Same as 1 | No. 1 through 5 are the same, and so are a press release. | Not for this purpose | Yes | Yes |
6 | timesnownews.com | States that movie will be filmed. | Probably. | Not for this purpose | Yes | Yes |
7 | Times of India | Passing mention of a song. | Maybe | No. Passing mention. | No | Yes |
8 | cinemaexpress.com | Press release about a song. | No. | No | Yes | Yes |
9 | cinemaexpress.com | Another press release about a song. | No. | No | Yes | Yes |
10 | news18.com | An announcement about the film. | Probably. | Not for this purpose. | Yes | Yes |
There is also a draft; the draft and the article are by different authors. The information in this article and in the draft can be merged in the draft, and the draft can be submitted, with reviews and other quality sources, when the film has been released and reviewed. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:52, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Because release is announced for late November, I would normally have suggested to keep this and I would have merged the draft into it .....but there are TWO drafts Draft:Miss You Movie (created yesterday, just before the article, same creator) and Draft:Miss You (film) by User:Gowthamaprabu (created 21. 10); the latter was declined by the nom. Read the following comment: "Thank you for your submission, but the subject of this article already exists in Wikipedia. You can find it and improve it at Miss You (film) instead.", said the nom of the present AfD when declining the page.....which, if I was the page creator, would make me think, the page discussed here is not concerned by deletion! Still as Gowthamaprabu's Draft was the first page to be created, I consider it should be the starting point so I suggest a merge of all three pages into Draft:Miss You (film). Premise is known, actors are notable, coverage for verification exists, so even if it's the other way around, I won't be shocked but declining the Draft and inviting its creator to expand a page and, an hour later or so, taking the said page to AfD is a bit confusing.Mushy Yank (talk) 22:42, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Hello @Robert McClenon and @Mushy Yank! Hope you're both doing well! I wanted to provide some context regarding the article Miss You (2024), which covers the upcoming film set for release at the end of November 2024. As mentioned transparently, I have been commissioned by the producers to edit and create content for this article, ensuring accurate representation of the movie. I’ve Confirmed that the official release date is November 29, 2024, though due to a lack of publicly available citations, I haven't specified the date in the article itself. I’ve included all available information with relevant citations, and I believe the content is accurate and complete as presented. If possible, I'd suggest we retain the article and continue to improve it together. We could even consider merging it with Draft: Miss You (Film) by User:Gowthamaprabu to consolidate information. Meena1998 (talk) 07:10, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Merge into Draft:Miss You (film) since the film's release is near, let's wait. Once it hits theaters, it is expected to get more coverage and critical reviews. You can then update the page and publish it through the AFC route. For now, let's merge its content into the declined draft:).Chanel Dsouza (talk) 13:29, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- I agree to merge Miss You (film) article with my draft Draft:Miss You (film). Gowthamaprabu (talk) 03:12, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Daveed (2025 film) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Unreleased film, nothing especially notable about the production, therefore does not meet WP:NFILM, specifically WP:NFF, as an as yet unreleased film. Should have remained in draft space but has been moved back to main space, so deletion is required. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 17:55, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
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- I can see many upcoming movie articles on Wikipedia, and as an editor who enjoys creating and editing movie articles, I’m particularly focused on the Indian film industry. My goal is to reach 10,000 edits and become a strong contributor to Wikipedia. Recently, I encountered a deletion nomination for an article on an upcoming film, even though its release date has been announced. I removed the "unreleased" category and added the "upcoming films" category since the shoot and post-production are complete. I’ve verified all the data through news articles, and everything seems accurate. This is the first time I've faced a deletion nomination for a film article, and I’m feeling a bit helpless. Any advice would be greatly appreciated! Arjusreenivas (talk) 18:14, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
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- And regarding the notbaility of prodcution, The film was distributed by Century Films which is the distributer of Malaikottai Vaaliban, Perumani and John Luther etc. These are the details I got from the producers social handles. Arjusreenivas (talk) 18:30, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- "Notability" would rather be established through sources independent of the subject. (Not saying that what you are saying is not true nor that it is not interesting) Mushy Yank (talk) 22:46, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Thank you for your Participation in this Discussion, Please Check sources, I think the article have more than enough sources. Arjusreenivas (talk) 03:07, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Nothing about the production, as stated, is notable. Everything is very, very standard. WP:NFF is clear:
Additionally, films that have already begun shooting, but have not yet been publicly released (theatres or video), should generally not have their own articles unless the production itself is notable per the notability guidelines.
Basically, you should not be creating articles in main article space about the vast majority of films that have not yet released. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 10:19, 6 November 2024 (UTC)- Hello, This article covers a film that's set to release in the next two months. Regarding production details, I can only reference publicly available news articles and interviews. Given the popularity of this film in India, I believe many people here are already aware of its production background. I kindly request someone from India to assess the notability of this article, especially regarding its production and other key details.
- I welcome everyone to expand the article and contribute with verified information. I’m also sharing data I’ve gathered from media sources to help make this a comprehensive and accurate article. Please feel free to edit for clarity, correct any English errors, and improve. Arjusreenivas (talk) 11:14, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- "Notability" would rather be established through sources independent of the subject. (Not saying that what you are saying is not true nor that it is not interesting) Mushy Yank (talk) 22:46, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Antony_Varghese#Films: listed there; given existing coverage, the fact that filming is wrapped, the cast, notable and details about productions are verifiable, I am not opposed to Keep if other users agree it can be kept (opposed to deletion, not necessary in the present case). Mushy Yank (talk) 22:50, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, Mushy Yank. Yes, I believe this article is relevant to keep on Wikipedia because the release date has been announced, and the film has already wrapped. Therefore, deletion would not be the right decision. Thank you for your comment. Arjusreenivas (talk) 03:13, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect would be fine, until the film has released. I mean, draftifying would have worked, too, but... BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 15:04, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, The article meets 4 out of 5 of the WP:NFF production guidelines. Enough information is available to support article. Also it can be classified under the "2025 films, Upcoming films, Upcoming Malayalam-language films" category. Arjusreenivas (talk) 15:42, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- What "5 production guidelines" are you talking about? There is nothing unclear about WP:NFF:
films that have already begun shooting, but have not yet been publicly released (theatres or video), should generally not have their own articles
. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 10:37, 13 November 2024 (UTC)- Let me finish the sentence you're referring to, as it seems you might have missed it. The guideline states: "films that have already begun shooting, but have not yet been publicly released (theatres or video), should generally not have their own articles unless the production itself is notable per the notability guidelines." Out of the five guidelines of production: Development, Pre-production, Production, Post-production—four have been covered. The only stage not fully met is Distribution. That's why 4 out of 5 criteria for an unreleased film to qualify for an article have been fulfilled. — MimsMENTOR talk 21:51, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- What "5 production guidelines" are you talking about? There is nothing unclear about WP:NFF:
- Hello, The article meets 4 out of 5 of the WP:NFF production guidelines. Enough information is available to support article. Also it can be classified under the "2025 films, Upcoming films, Upcoming Malayalam-language films" category. Arjusreenivas (talk) 15:42, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect would be fine, until the film has released. I mean, draftifying would have worked, too, but... BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 15:04, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, Mushy Yank. Yes, I believe this article is relevant to keep on Wikipedia because the release date has been announced, and the film has already wrapped. Therefore, deletion would not be the right decision. Thank you for your comment. Arjusreenivas (talk) 03:13, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: The film has successfully completed its production phase, and reliable sources confirm that it is currently in the post-production and marketing stages, with only the final release pending. The project meets 4 out of 5 of the WP:NFF production guidelines. Sufficient information is available to justify an independent article, and it can be classified under the "2025 films, Upcoming films, Upcoming Malayalam-language films" category.--— MimsMENTOR talk 07:35, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for your input. I believe there are no notability issues with this article, so it should be retained. From my review, the movie is scheduled for release in two months, and it’s not from a new production or featuring unknown actors. Thank you for your contribution. Arjusreenivas (talk) 15:38, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - We have the typical general announcements, churnalism, NEWSORGINDIA, etc., but no significant coverage such as bylined reviews. Nothing notable about production. Draftify would be a good WP:ATD. --CNMall41 (talk) 06:59, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- Exactly. The article was draftified once, and so shouldn't be draftified again, but WP:IAR. The danger, of course, is that it would just be moved back to article space again. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 10:37, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
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The result was delete. ✗plicit 14:56, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- Plunder of Murshidabad (1742) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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- First of all, the article is written in the form of a fan-made story, attempting to villainize an entity (or perhaps show off? There are numerous instances in articles about Indian military history where users have included shocking or vulgar acts committed by militants).
- WP:CITEKILL has made source analysis more complex, but once unreliable sources were cleared, the analysis became much easier. The article clearly fails to meet WP:GNG, as well as old sources falling under WP:RAJ and WP:AGEMATTERS have widely been used (caused the reason for the put down of the last proposal, and i was on a break)
Analysis:
- The New Cambridge Modern History Vol. 7 (1713-63)* by Lindsay, J. O., Ed:
The book only mentions "Murshidabad" once, with the context found in the parent article on Maratha invasions of Bengal.
- The same applies to *The Marathas - Cambridge History of India (Vol. 2, Part 4)* by Stewart Gordon;
It mentions the event alongside the "Maratha invasions of Bengal," which, indeed, should also be referenced here. A separate article is not warranted for this event, as it is a minor occurrence within a larger conflict—specifically, a plunder. Such events do not meet the minimum notability standards. In fact, an entire page from a reliable source is missing in this case. Additionally, the use of a military conflict infobox is unnecessary here, as it follows the same problematic pattern seen with articles like "Battle of X" or "X-Y Wars" in Indian military history. This approach has caused numerous issues. In conclusion, the article fails to meet notability standards and is poorly written. The content could easily be integrated into the parent article instead. Imperial[AFCND] 14:53, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
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- note to the closer: Please review the background of the voters as meatpuppetry is common among these topic areas.-Imperial[AFCND] 14:56, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. The pillaging of an undefended city doesn't warrant an article and cannot be described as a "Maratha victory" (as claimed in the infobox). Clarityfiend (talk) 00:43, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting due to low participation and because of a prior AFD appearance, this discussion can't be closed as a Soft Deletion. So far, I see no meatpuppets participating here.
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- Delete per nom. I trust their source analysis – articles like this and related sourcing are a known issue. While I haven't checked the sources myself, their reasoning is sound and there have been no objections. Hopefully this can provide the necessary quorum. Toadspike [Talk] 11:22, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Haryana Gana Parishad (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Unable to find enough sources to show that this meets WP:NORG. PROD was contested. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 06:42, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep, political party that had representation in the national parliament of India. Not impossible to source, and as per the number of references it is worth noting that there isn't a lot of 1999 material from Indian press online but WP:NEXIST more sources will exist offline in Indian national news media. --Soman (talk) 09:55, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
- The last sentence of WP:NEXIST is "However, once an article's notability has been challenged, merely asserting that unspecified sources exist is seldom persuasive, especially if time passes and actual proof does not surface". This article has been tagged as having no sources since December 2009. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 09:59, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
- You're misreading NEXIST. Here is a party in national parliament, so it is reasonable to assume that there would exist offline sources available in addition to the available online sources. And lack of sourcing is not a deletion criteria in itself (apart from BLP articles). --Soman (talk) 10:36, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
- The last sentence of WP:NEXIST is "However, once an article's notability has been challenged, merely asserting that unspecified sources exist is seldom persuasive, especially if time passes and actual proof does not surface". This article has been tagged as having no sources since December 2009. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 09:59, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
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- There are no sources supporting independent notability. WP:EXIST is not a carte blanche to include everything under the sun. Wikipedia is not the directory of political parties in India, or anywhere for that matter, nor is it a collection of random information. And this is about a party that's currently in the national parliament but about in no sources appear to be interested? Come on. Redirect it, graciously, to List of political parties in India. -The Gnome (talk) 10:45, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Pranav Adani (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Non-notable individual. Sources are promotional and cited to WP:NEWSORGINDIA. Only known for being a relative of Gautam Adani. See WP:INHERITED. Ratnahastin (talk) 09:54, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - as noted above, infomercials have taken over previously responsible media there, so sourcing about business in India requires better quality sourcing. Bearian (talk) 08:54, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: per WP:BEFORE, subject passes WP:BASIC. And this article has persisted since 2018. AFD Nomination seems intentional or any paid agenda. B-Factor (talk) 13:52, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per WP:INHERITED. Nothing shows he is notable outside his relationship with Gautam Adani. Lorstaking (talk) 04:11, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: The subject holds multiple notable positions in notable organizations, and the sources are reliable enough. Citations can be implemented.Lalu Faizy (talk) 19:06, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- Holding positions in notable organisations does not make one notable by association, see WP:INHERITED. - Ratnahastin (talk) 04:02, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources India.com, Business Standard, DD, DNA India, Business TodayFugoja (talk) 20:52, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- These are very poor sources for establishing notability, as all of them are Indian news organisations, which are known to release press releases or paid articles without any disclosure, as outlined in WP:NEWSORGINDIA.
- Your first source is sourced to india.com which is written in a promotional language. Same thing with the second source, your third source is only a DD footage of his speech at Uttrakhand GIS 2023, your fourth source also appears to be a paid article given the promotional tone, and your fifth source is only a coverage of the speech he made at GIS 2023. - Ratnahastin (talk) 02:36, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:INHERITED. None of the references above establish WP:GNG. Dympies (talk) 05:32, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: The article is live since 2018, and the article has maintained a certain level of notability over time. Since it's creation, the article has been developed with reliable sources, and although it may have room for improvement, its longevity demonstrates to met WP:GNG and WP:PEOPLE when it was initially published. Regemoso (talk) 08:04, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- Articles that have existed for far longer than this get deleted regularly at AfD, keeping an article only because it has existed for some time has no basis in policy. - Ratnahastin (talk) 08:10, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Do we have a possible WP:ATD here? A redirect to Gautam Adani? Or would that be irrelevant to that article?
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- Close as No Consensus. I think its time to close this as WP:NOCONSENSUS. The problem with the whole WP:NEWSORGINDIA argument is one is never sure whether the coverage is paid or independent, and it essentially means that anybody living India who draws national but not international news coverage might become the target of such an AFD. To my mind, this kind of reasoning is a shot in the dark because it could be legit, and it might not be. What is certainly does is reinforce WP:SYSTEMICBIAS against article on Indian people which is problematic. With people on both sides of the issue, and with no definite proof that the coverage isn't independent I'm not seeing a strong consensus to delete at this time.4meter4 (talk) 02:02, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Fails WP:N. There isn't one source that has significantly provided coverage to this person. The sources only give him little importance because they are discussing Gautam Adani. CharlesWain (talk) 03:36, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete undoubtedly fails WP:GNG. Not opposed to creating a redirect. Abhishek0831996 (talk) 04:23, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. As relative of a notable Gautam Adani does not make the subject notable. WP:INHERITED. Not opposed to Redirect. RangersRus (talk) 13:08, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
- Weak Keep as per the following three reliable references; South China Morning Post, Financial Express, and Business Standard. If there are more such citations, the page could meet the criteria outlined in the Heymann Standard. However, we should keep in mind that WP:THREE and WP:HEY are essays, not an established guidelines. Charlie (talk) 13:26, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
- Financial Express only has a generic byline, therefore it falls under WP:NEWSORGINDIA as a likely press release too. - Ratnahastin (talk) 19:15, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep In terms of notability, the subject passes WP:GNG as there is significant coverage Bloomberg, DNA, India.com. Regarding the concern about promotional sources, Indian media employs such a style to attract readers to drive traffic, which can sometimes come across as promotional. The subject has the potential for improvement rather than deletion. Tedamime (talk) 19:00, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- Except for Bloomberg report (which concerns Adani's slum rehabilitation program), all three of the sources have been addressed above. If you think Indian media does not engage in undisclosed paid releases, then you should get such a consensus on RSN. - Ratnahastin (talk) 19:12, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
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- ^ https://www.outlookindia.com/national/parents-worship-day-after-chhattisgarh-jharkhand-to-implement-jailed-godman-asar-news-305893
- ^ https://www.bbc.com/hindi/india-38956151
- ^ https://web.archive.org/web/20131018015852/http://www.merinews.com/article/chhattisgarh-makes-parents-worship-day-a-compulsory-observance-in-schools-on-february-14/15881586.shtml%26cp