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Is this the right place to discuss a WP:NOTNEWS issue?

So, I was referred here from an ANI thread which started out as a discussion on the use of external links at 2024 Atlantic hurricane season but also turned attention to how current information is handled for active storms per WP:NOTNEWS and MOS:CURRENT, and led to several templates being nominated for deletion. So now there needs to be a discussion on how to handle information about active storms. One editor suggested having the discussion here as a WP:WEIGHT issue rather than as an RfC on a project talk page. So I'm asking if this noticeboard is the right venue. This doesn't seem like a very active talk page so please ping me if you reply. TornadoLGS (talk) 01:45, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Remember that as a encyclopedia, our goal is to write towards the long term view, so excessive coverage of an active storm is not really useful per NOTNEWS. We can update the article in real time to describe how the storm has been known to process, but we should still be writing thinking about what info remains relevant. It definite is a weight issue to have an excessive focus on the short term. — Masem (t) 03:25, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Masem: I understand that. The need here is to hash out more definitively what information should or should not be included. So do you think this page would be an appropriate place to have that discussion? TornadoLGS (talk) 19:00, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don’t really see a NPOV issue here. It’s more fundamental than POV… it’s a classic WP:NOT dispute: should Wikipedia be a place where readers go to get updates on active storms (such as the latest weather advisories) … or not? I agree that this needs to be hashed out at a broader community level (not just at the wikiproject level) … but … this page isn’t the right venue. Perhaps WP:VPP? Blueboar (talk) 20:21, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, that looks like a better place for it. I knew there had to be an appropriate noticeboard or discussion board somewhere. Than you. TornadoLGS (talk) 20:32, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, that looks like it might not be the right place since that seems to be more about discuss changes to policies and guidelines rather than how to go about application of them within articles. Might ask at the help desk. TornadoLGS (talk) 00:58, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Endless Discussions

One of the discussions at the Neutral Point of View Noticeboard is expanding but is not resolving anything, because the editors are largely restating their statements. (I am not saying which one because you can tell which one it is.) I have some questions.

1. Is there a procedure for closing such discussions?
2. Is there a procedure for restarting such discussions?
3. Can the editors be notified that the topic of the article is a contentious topic?

Robert McClenon (talk) 05:15, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The list of archives goes to RSN archives

For some reason, the archive links on the box at the top of this page, the NPOV notice board, go to archives for the Reliable sources noticeboard. I know there are archives for this page, but it makes it less easy to find them if the links on page lead to a whole different archive. Can anyone fix this? Wuju Daisuki (talk) 20:15, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looking into this… the “search archives” function works fine (it gives results from NPOVN archives). What seems to be broken is the nav box listing all the archives by number… THOSE are for RSN. Blueboar (talk) 12:01, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I left a note at VP(technical)… it has now been fixed! Blueboar (talk) 13:09, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Threatened with ban for requesting improvements on a talk page

NO ACTION

Not relevant to this noticeboard O3000, Ret. (talk)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

I posted a few items for improving this article:

Israel–Hezbollah conflict (2023–present) - Wikipedia

I posted on the talk page, and my post was removed. The user threatened to ban me. I believe the article in question has multiple issues. Will someone go please look at the revert and see if the comments were against WP policies? 134.167.1.1 (talk) 18:16, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The warning at the top of that page states: "You must be logged-in and extended-confirmed to edit or discuss this topic on any page (except for making edit requests, provided they are not disruptive)" An admin reverted your edit and you reverted the admin. The admin provided a second warning on your talk page with a link to the policy. O3000, Ret. (talk) 18:44, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I believe the user was ScottishFinnishRadish, the edit was this edit, the problem is WP:ECR -- perhaps it's not a policy and perhaps you made an edit request but yes ScottishFinnishRadish can ban people for talk page comments, I've seen it happen. What I don't see is the relevance to WP:NPOVN, so I won't object is someone collapses this thread. Peter Gulutzan (talk) 18:49, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.