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This page is an Archive of the discussions from WikiProject Hungary talk page (Discussion page). (January 2012 – August 2018) - Please Do not edit!

vármegy articles need references

Szervusz, Y'all!

I have looked at some of the articles on counties of the Kingdom of Hungary. Those I've looked at have no references. They seem to be largely, but not completely, based on the corresponding article in the Hungarian Wikipedia. Does anybody know where the information originated? If somebody can point me in the right direction, I'll add some references to these articles. Bloody Viking (talk) 19:19, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

WikiWomen's History Month

Hi everyone. March is Women's History Month and I'm hoping a few folks here at WP:Hungary will have interest in putting on events (on and off wiki) related to women's roles in Hungary's history, society and culture. We've created an event page on English Wikipedia (please translate!) and I hope you'll find the inspiration to participate. These events can take place off wiki, like edit-a-thons, or on wiki, such as themes and translations. Please visit the page here: WikiWomen's History Month. Thanks for your consideration and I look forward to seeing events take place! SarahStierch (talk) 21:53, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Budapest airport

Budapest airport's English pages use both "Budapest Liszt Ferenc International Airport" and "Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport" – Normally Hungarian names in English have the family name first. Which name form should we use? WhisperToMe (talk) 10:58, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

• Due to a lack of responses, I just moved it to "Ferenc Liszt" WhisperToMe (talk) 23:55, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Rovas-related debates

Dear Colleagues,

I need a help and your advice. The situation is the following: I deal with computerized paleography (see my book Heritage of Scribes in the Google Books at [1]), among these with the Rovas scripts. The term "Rovas" is debated by a few people, who consequently delete any contributions, which contain the term "Rovas". They deleted the citation of the Unicode encoding proposal of the Hungarian Standards Institution even. I am a beginner in the Wikipedia, I do not want to violate any rule here. However, I think I have right to refer to published documents and book. Please, consider the article Szarvas inscription and its talk page. Rovasscript (talk) 06:49, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Moreover, the Szarvas inscription is marked in October 2011 that the neutrality of the article is disputed. Anybody, who does not agree with the statements of this article can include alternative opinions (e.g. alternative transcription of the Szarvas Rovas relic). However, nobody wrote alternative transcription into the article. In this case I do not understand what is the meaning of this mark. When it will be removed? What is the condition of removing this mark? Rovasscript (talk) 07:03, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

The issue is one of English clarity. The English translation of "rovas" is runic. While "rovas" is a Hungarian word and it may be applicable to refer to a Hungarian script as "rovas", the word is certainly inapplicable to a Khazar runic script. --Stacey Doljack Borsody (talk) 07:14, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

In the English language, there several loan words, which refer to various languages. e.g. Hangul, Tagalog, Hanunoo, Tagbanwa, Limbu, Tai Le, Tai Tham, Ol Chiki, etc. The term Runic is not appropriate to translate the term Rovas, since the Runic refers to the Germanic Runic script and its several subscripts (Ogham, Danish Runic, Gothic Runic, etc.). The term Rovas in fact refers to a category: the well-know Szekely-Hungarian Rovas, the Carpathian Basin Rovas – which is close relative to the Szekely-Hungarian Rovas, and finally, the Khazarian Rovas. It is noteworthy that the first scientist, who deciphered the Carpathian Basin Rovas and the Khazarian Rovas was Gábor Vékony, archaeologist-historical, Assoc. Prof. at the Eötvös Loránd University, Budapest (he passed away in 2004). He consequently referred these scripts in these names. However, other scholars also realized the strong relations among these scripts, including Prof. A. Róna-Tas, Assoc. Prof. K. Sándor, etc. Rovasscript (talk) 07:26, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

About the Khazarian Rovas: the relics of the Khazarian Rovas were found not only North of the Caucasus, but also in Homokmégy-Halom (Hungary, near city Kalocsa). This fact shows is that the Hungarians who settled in Hungary at the end of he 9th century – or a part of them – also knew the Khazarian Rovas. Moreover, a part of the Hungarians came in this time was the three tribes of the Khavars (other spelling: Kabars, Kavars), who were rebel Khazars. They also used the Khazarian Rovas, its evidence is the Alsószentmihályfalva Rovas inscription, see related article in the Rovaspedia at [2].Rovasscript (talk) 07:38, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Yea, my mistake, the correct translation for "rovas" in English is "runiform" and not "runic". Agreed that there are several loanwords for the names of various scripts (i.e., kanji), but that does not necessarily mean the word "rovas" is suitable to use in English, especially in reference to Khazar runiform script. For example, Marcel Erdal uses the term "runiform alphabet" when referring to Orkhon script and "runiform inscriptions" when referring to the entire corpus of Eurasian inscriptions (including Khazar) in his English-language "A Grammar of Old Turkic". The names of these Eurasian scripts are not even known, unlike the case with hangul and kanji. If you recall, the Szekely script was called "Vlach letters" by Simon Kezai. --Stacey Doljack Borsody (talk) 18:48, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Rovas city limit signs

I thought I would ask before doing anything. User:Rovosaman (among others?) has been adding "city limit signs" in Rovas script to a number of the Hungarian town/city articles, see Keszthely for an example. A category full of these signs has been created at the commons. It's my understanding that there is often a political element to the use of Rovas script. Is that not correct? I'm not suggesting the script is not based in history, or that it is inherently political, but is there not a political factor in its use by Hungarians? Thanks. - TheMightyQuill (talk) 13:43, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

I took a look. If he created these, what is the educational basis of these? On the commons an image has to have some kind of educational value. Is this a proposed idea of "what it might look like?" WhisperToMe (talk) 08:38, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

It turns out such signs do exist: File:Bugac city limit sign rovas script.JPG – So what he could be trying to say is "This is what it would look like" – It may help to ask for Wikipedians across Hungary to photograph the signs too WhisperToMe (talk) 08:45, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

They certainly do exist in real life, though I can't say for sure if they exist physically for all the city/town articles in which they appear. A Hungarian article which expresses some of my concern about the political nature of the signs can be found here. I'm not suggesting that anyone putting up these signs is a member of the far right, but that their support is part of a nationalist Hungarian worldview which is inherently political and not NPOV. - TheMightyQuill (talk) 17:17, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

It's not political and should be npov as it is just a celebration of roots, being part of the wider Hungarian society. If you are thinking that the runiform movement is nationalistic then it should stop at ethnic borders, although the ethnic borders and pockets reach into Slovakia, Romania etc. I have seen no evidence of this but I would expect the Szekely's in Romania to signpost in their own script, being rovas. Rovas script is still being used in some places to name homes on a gate's cupola. It's just a cultural trend.Htcs (talk) 13:40, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Denes Lukacs

Hello I'd like to inform you and WikiProject Hungary community that a new trend is about to arise that every Hungarian (and non-English) names are to deprived of their accents. Dénes Lukács has been moved back to Denes Lukacs recently and as a result a move request debate has been posted in its talk page. Please participate and express your views on the issue. Lajbi ^{Holla @ me • CP} 10:32, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Wow...totally beneath what I would have thought of you. I'm really disappointed at this post. The article was already formed at Denes Lukacs and YOU attempted to move it against Tennis Project policy. It is also not a new trend at all in naming TENNIS PLAYERS ONLY by their sourced ATP, WTA, ITF, Davis Cup or Wimbledon spelling as this is an English Wikipedia and those are excellent tennis player sources. Tennis Project guidelines and consensus have long established this and it's the only names we are concerned with... Tennis Players. Goodness Gracious Lajbi... please try to show a little even-handedness when posting to a large group like Wikiproject Hungary because this violates Canvassing. I hope most thoughtful editors read right through the biased entry. Fyunck(click) (talk) 09:28, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Dénes Lukács (colonel)

You're personal views on me are not in the scope of WikiProject Hungary I guess. No need to get that mad beacuse of three informal sentence. Answered on Denes Lukacs move debate. Lajbi ^{Holla @ me • CP} 12:09, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

As a footnote to this, I noticed in following this discussion that hu:wikipedia already had a substantial article of which I have translated the salient main points. If anyone can add any further sources to the actual military history that would be interesting. In ictu oculi (talk) 21:47, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

New article: Rural parliament

I have started a new article which deals with the Hungarian rural parliament, among others. Please review, contribute and expand. Additional quality refs highly welcome.Mais oui! (talk) 04:38, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Hungarian article needs check

I wrote an article about a contemporary Hungarian author Attila Hazai (1967–2012) and I need help to verify it is accurate, since my source, Meghalt Hazai Attila (litera.hu), is not in English, I used Google translate. Any help appreciated to check spellings and any obvious errors of translation. Thanks. Green Cardamom (talk) 16:11, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your work. I have read it, it seems correct, though I did not find information in the original litera article about the following claims: (1) he committed suicide (the article just states that he had a tragic and sudden death) and (2) he published under the pseudonym Feri Soros. Where did you find these? KœrteFa {ταλκ} 09:17, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Honfoglalás

Recently, a new article was created about the period when the Hungarians settled in Central Europe (called "honfoglalás" in Hungarian). Of course, this topic is of high importance for the history of Hungary and so for the WikiProject Hungary. Currently, the article is called "The Hungarian landtaking", but there is a discussion going on whether this should be changed. If you are interested in the suggested variants and the arguments, please, visit: Talk:The Hungarian landtaking. KœrteFa {ταλκ} 00:52, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Yes. We came in, and take the land of the slavs. We separated the northern and southern slav peoples! We, alone! And we are so sorry now, now they are eliminating the hungarian population on their current area. Hahh! I'm really sorry. I really like the beautiful polish girls, but don't like the girls of our neighbours. They are... enemies. But they are good people, too. As we. I love you all. Please, don't kill us. Not I did it. It was the usual process of the era. Vale! ×××× — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.56.146.50 (talk) 12:01, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Advice

Hello, I have noticed a recent problem and I ask for an advice from editors that participate in this project.

Recently WP:HU is being added to places (not historical places/context) outside Hungary. For example:

• Târgu Mureș, a city in Romania (recently added WP:HU).
• Komárno, a city in Slovakia (recently added WP:HU).

Since I have`t seen other articles to contain more than 1 WikiProject country I am confused about this inclusion and worried that if we do this, what is stopping us to add WikiProjects country Y all over Slovakia,Hungary or Romania, for example WP:TR (Ottoman Empire), WP:AU ( Austrian Empire ) or even crazier examples like WP:HU to Belgrade or WP:RO to Budapest. Because if we include WP:HU to Komárno what is stopping us to add it in other inappropriate places? According to other examples this is not the practice to 99% of articles, except in special cases ( autonomous province,federal unit, cultural center or similar ). Where exactly should WP:HU be present and is it appropriate to use it outside Hungary when no special case is presented. Thanks in advance and I hope to solve this problem. Greetings.Adrian (talk) 06:05, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your comment, Adrian, and I see your issues with this. Of course, these places are not in Hungary so it looks strange to include them in Wikiproject Hungary, you are right about that. On the other hand, I also understand that these towns have significant Hungarian populations and have strong connections to the Hungarian history and culture. I am not sure what the good solution would be. If the Wikiproject would be called "Wikiproject Hungarians", then it was not a problem, I think. I have checked some articles on English Wikipedia whether there are cities, areas, etc., that are listed in multiple Wikiproject countries, but there are not too many. An example I have found is the article about Alsace (a region of France), which is listed in both Wikiproject France and Wikiproject Germany, see: Talk:Alsace. Its capital, Strasbourg, also has the templates of both Wikiprojects (France and Germany), see Talk:Strasbourg. I guess the reasons are similar to our case: Alsace (including Strasbourg) has a significant German-speaking population and it has strong historical and cultural connections to Germany, even though it is in France. But there are not too many other examples, e.g., South Tyrol is only listed in WikiProject Italy. Hence, I am in two minds about this issue and would be happy to hear what the others think. KœrteFa {ταλκ} 07:44, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Maybe because Aslace is considered a cultural center of Germans in France, I don`t know. On the other hand South Tirol can be considered cultural center for Germans in Italy and it doesn`t have other wikiProjects county. I don`t know. This is really a strange problem and it can cause confusion to many articles. The logic "it can`t hurt, it can only help" I don`t believe to be valid because everybody can join wikiProject Hungary or Romania and participate in the desired pages one way or another. Adrian (talk) 08:55, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

The project description starts the following: "WikiProject Hungary is a WikiProject whose aim is to increase the quality of articles related to Hungary and Hungarians." A project banner has no territorial claim or whatever, only broaden the coverage of the articles related to the Hungarians. What I don't get why to come up with a completely nonsense example and why not putting the WP RO on Mehkerek or WP SK on Pilisszentkereszt, where it should belong. Since there is no (significant) connection between Hungary and Belgrade, Romania and Budapest, or Russia and Bucharest, the banners are unneccessary there, and I really don't understand that call. Also, if there are enough willingful editors, I would like to improve a bit the project, create task forces (eg. WP Hungary – Diaspora taskforce in this case, but also for sport, arts, history, etc.), so it's all about to building the wikipedia. Gdansk, Szczecin, Poznan, Bydgoszcz, Byalistok, Nice, Minsk, Istanbul all are shared by two projects, Wroclaw and Trieste has even more banners and nobody makes a fuss about it. Belfast has the banner of Ireland and Geography of UK – and not WP Northern Ireland – still everyone is fine about it. It seems there are places in the world where they understand how it goes. If there are places with a significant Hungarian population or connected to the Hungarians in some other way, there the WP HU surely applies, regardless where they are to find today. They won't be less Hungarian-related because a border is drawn here or there. This is what about the project is. Thehoboclown (talk) 10:08, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

You have found approximately 11 examples...

• Gdańsk – German cultural center and the most special case on Wikipedia
• Byalistok – is a member of WikiProject Russia / History / Human geography, not other country
• Nice – is a member of the Greek project, not sure if this applies in our case because we are not adding WikiProject TR(Ottoman Empire).
• Minsk – is not a member of other country project, but WikiProject Russia / History / Politics and law / Human geography. - Not really the same thing

Out of 11 examples you provided 7 that are valid(let`s say 8 with Nice). But what about other 10 000 that doesn`t have this? As I said, the logic "it can`t hurt, it can only help" or now "task force to imporove articles" I don`t believe to be valid since all this you can do within WikiProject RO or SK. You can even create this task force within WikiProject RO or SK. If you really wish to improve this articles, you can do that within proper WikiProjects. I would really like to here what other users think about this kind of use of WikiProject HU outside Hungary. Adrian (talk) 14:04, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

What about talk page of Kingdom of Hungary? The kingdom is member of the Serb, Croat and Hungarian wikiprojects and nobody complains about it. It shares Hungarian, Serb and Croat heritages. Komarno and Targu Mures are the same those have Romanian or Slovak and Hungarian relations (history, tradition, culture etc...).Fakirbakir (talk) 15:31, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

But Kingdom of Hungary is a historical subject, a political entity, not a city,town or similar. I have nothing against adding other wiki projcets to a historical subject. I am talking about present time , places outside Hungary.Adrian (talk) 17:37, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

There are some other comments about this case Talk:Târgu Mureș#Wiki project Hungary. Fakirbakir (talk) 18:27, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

I gave up in that discussion because I was not in the mood to start a conflict. If you read it you will notice that it was finished without any arguments why should we add WikiProject HU.Adrian (talk) 08:30, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

I really don`t "buy" this why should we add wiki project HU as a reason to help improve articles because we already have wiki projects present there in which any member of wikipedia can join and participate, create a task force, or whatever he wants. And if it "can`t hurt it, it can only help" we could add other projects to many pages(Even Belgrade,Budapest,Bucharest) for no apparent reason, other than "it can`t hurt it". Or after all to join WikiProject Eastern Europe(that specially cover Hungary,Romania and Slovakia articles),WikiProject Cities or WikiProject Geography that already connect all this places. This is why projects like WikiProject Eastern Europe exists, to avoid putting other`s countries projects outside it`s country and to avoid this kind of problems. Many editors don`t even use wikiProjects, many of us use watchlists and that`s it. And not to mention that there is nothing stopping us to improve this articles even without any wikiProject at all.Adrian (talk) 08:55, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Invitation

Dear Hungarian Wikipedians, Project Members,

As you might also experienced, currently the WikiProject Hungary is quite down with only a very limited active users. However, I'd like to add some new impulse to it, so I would like to invite you to take a look at this proposal, share your opinion and join a task force if you think you might be interested in it. If there are five or more applicants for a task force, it can be set up and by a cooperation of dedicated users we can further develop the task force related articles – at least give a boost to this small part of the project –, the task force itself and by so probably the whole WikiProject Hungary as well.

I've also created a draft for one of the topic I might improve and for what I'm ready to spend my time. If you are also interested in it, I would be glad to see you there.

If you have questions, ideas or thoughts you can add them on the talkpage of the proposal, here or you can contact me directly on my talk page. Your words are very welcomed!

Regards,

Thehoboclown (talk) 08:31, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

The newly proposed project Hungarian diaspora task force draft as a project has no sense and I don`t see it`s meaning as long as WikiProcejt Eastern Europe exists and where a greater number of editors may participate that explicitly covers nations of Eastern Europe where WikiProject HU (Hungarians) are associated. WikiProject Eastern Europe is created with the scope to avoid this kind of problems coming from one side only(whoever that side might be) and unite all editors that are interested in participating under a neutral banner. If you would use your energy within already existing project you would helped a lot more than inventing new no-purpose projects that are already covered by others. All this in mind (if this project comes to life), I oppose for addition of this projects to any pages on wikipedia. Adrian (talk) 19:41, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Like Thehoboclown, I also think that currently WikiProject Hungary is quite down with just a few active editors. His efforts to mobilize editors are most welcome and I hope that this will help to coordinate the improvement of many related articles. Regarding the idea of a "Hungarian diaspora task force": basically, I think that it is a good idea, but a special care is needed, since it is a sensitive issue. I know that there is a Wiki project called "Eastern Europe", but (a) it is too general and, moreover, (b) Hungary is in Central Europe (not only in the geographical, but also in the cultural and historical senses of the word). Cheers, KœrteFa {ταλκ} 07:59, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

I was also surprised to find WikiProject Hu under Eastern Europe(for the reasons you already mentioned) but nevertheless it is there, along with WikiProject SK and RO where the majority of the Hungarian population live outside Hungary and the most important thing, editors can join this already existing project and edit this subject under a neutral banner.Adrian (talk) 09:24, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Also if we take a look other examples, (Yugoslavia), many editors from this countries are members of all projects of current countries, (Slovenia,Croatia,Bosnia,Montenegro,Macedonia,Serbia) and as that they improve this articles. Ex: User:Peacemaker67. He is a member of all this projects. Why can`t others be a member to Project HU,SK,RO and SR? As we can see here, there is a connection between Yugoslavia and Hungary in the demographic sense (Diaspora). Why can`t Thehoboclown be a member of all this projects and like that contribute? Other users simply join projects they are related to and that`s it. As I said, I really don`t buy this project usability nor validity since there are several other ways to do this without creating any problems at all. Not to mention that this is one of the unique project diaspora as other countries doesn`t have them.Adrian (talk) 12:41, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

page of Zeman (nobleman)

I would like to ask your opinions in connection with this topic. There is a dispute about merging. See: Talk:Zeman (nobleman)#Merge
Thank you in advance! Fakirbakir (talk) 13:58, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Is the footballer more notable?

Would someone mind casting an eye at two BLP stubs:

• Róbert Varga
• Robert Varga (tennis)

MOS states "consistent with related article titles", but apart from that, is the footballer really more notable? In ictu oculi (talk) 01:48, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Taking that the footballer has been playing since 7 years on professional level, was capped for Hungary in younger age categories (U19, U20, U21), while the tennis player's only notable events are a few Davis cup matches, well, I would say that for me the footballer is more notable. However, I have to add that expanding both of them to a decent level (at least what can be called decent by these figures who are not really well covered in the media) might give a better look on their achievements, results and notabily. There can be a lot of things that are missing from both of the articles and what would result comletely different opinions if they were added. — Thehoboclown (talk) 10:07, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

ő → ö

I'm wondering if there's a time lag between a Requested Move and it showing up on Article Alerts on the project home page, because as yet there's no sign of Requested move: Talk:Paul Erdős → Paul Erdös ? In ictu oculi (talk) 11:52, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Axis occupation of Vojvodina#RfC:Is this article subject notable, and if so, is it an acceptable fork of existing articles?

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Axis occupation of Vojvodina#RfC:Is this article subject notable, and if so, is it an acceptable fork of existing articles?. Peacemaker67 (talk) 10:16, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Kovács Erzsi

Hello,

the main contributor of Kovács Erzsi has a conflict of interest and writes in biased, poor English. Kovacs is clearly notable but the article needs a clean-up. Perhaps members of this Wikiproject can help rebuilding or expanding this article. Regards.--Kürbis (✔) 16:24, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

I added some data from Hungarian Wikipedia ( Brtkr (talk) ). —Preceding undated comment added 17:51, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

I translated a few sentences from the corresponding article in Hungarian Wikipedia, as this article was completely impossible to understand even for those who are familiar with the mistakes Hungarian speakers typically make in English. I'm surprised that obvious machine translations aren't PRODded here as they are in other wikis. – Alensha ^talk 22:37, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

enyedi gyorgy (geografus) halala: 2 pontositas

Jo estet kivanok!

szocikk: enyedi gyorgy utolso forras helyesen: mta.hu 2012 szeptember 11

szocikk: enyedi ildiko csalad: a papa mar nem el. 2012-ben halt meg.

udv 72.83.68.213 (talk) 20:01, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

History of Vojvodina article

G'day, can I ask a member of the project to assess and rate History of Vojvodina in your project banner on the talk page? Cheers, Peacemaker67 (send... over) 01:18, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Gyula J. Obádovics

Someone here might be interested in commenting at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gyula J. Obádovics. Sławomir Biały (talk) 17:06, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Expatriate tagged with WikiProject Hungary

Hi there and greetings from Norway, I took the liberty on archiving some old stuff, I hope that's okei. The reason I came here, is that I've noticied that some Norwegian expatriate sportspeople in Hungary, e.g. Liban Abdi, Katrine Lunde Haraldsen and Heidi Løke has been tagged with the WikiProject Hungary-banner on their talkpage. This has been done by a bot, after a request to tag every page in Category:Sport in Hungary. While that is a great initiative, I don't think Category:Expatriate footballers in Hungary or any other expatriate in Hungary should be tagged by the Hungary-project. I asked the owner of the bot if he could remove the project-tags from Category:Expatriate footballers in Hungary, but I haven't got any reply, so I'm wondering if I have this projects blessing to remove talk-page banner from expatriates in Hungary on sight? Mentoz86 (talk) 13:59, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Hello!

Since it was me who requested the tagging on behalf of the Wikipedia:WikiProject Hungary/Sports and games task force, I think it's also well my duty to answer this one. First of all thanks for drawing the attention on this stuff. Of course expatriate sportspeople were not mean to be tagged thus feel free to remove the banners (by full precaution ofc). I'm joining you in this as well. If you have the time and will, you can also check the articles list on the task force page and remove the banners from those who don't belong there. If you run into things like this in the future, don't be shy to drop a line to the task force talk page or me personally. I'd really welcome it! Greets, Thehoboclown (talk) 15:01, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

deletion

Kedves projekt tagok: a véleményetek kellene ehhez a törléshez. Szeretném hangsúlyozni, hogy több ízben volt erről már vita még a magyar wikin is. Most is vannak források a személy nevezetességére, személyszerint a törlés csak egy önös akció, semmi több. Nem reklámot akarok csinálni, de sajnos ezen az oldalon millárdnyi információ fut, ezért vhogy rá kell irányítani a figyelmet. Doncsecz^talk 14:27, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Greater Hungary vs. Hungarian revisionism

I would like to ask for your opinions here: Talk:Greater Hungary (political concept)#Requested move Fakirbakir (talk) 20:42, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Ethnic map of Hungary

There is a deletion request on wikicommon about a Hungarian ethnic map. Could you tell your opinion there? http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Ethnic_map_of_11th_century.jpgFakirbakir (talk) 13:11, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

RFC at Talk:History of Vojvodina

Your attention is drawn to Talk:History of Vojvodina#Request For Comment re: WikiProject Banners on this page. Regards, Peacemaker67 (send... over) 02:13, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Regency 1918-

I wish to participate in Project Hungary. At present I am concerned about a regency following the reign of Karl IV. It appears in the articles that Karl IV approved of having Mihaly Karolyi follow Karl but as prime minister. Subsequent events indicate that a resignation from Karl had not become final. It seems that Karolyi was quite well intentioned and that many of his wishes were subverted unfairly. Karolyi did not seem to be interested in dumping the Habsburgs and I fail to see why Karl von Habsburg was beng treated as an enemy by some. Opposition against the Habsburgs can help justify the North German Confederation and the Kaiserreich and I do not believe that they deserve to be justified. RCNesland (talk) 04:22, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

You are, of course, welcome to participate in the project. You are also welcome to update any article which you think needs refinement. However, be sure to cite verifiable, reliable (e.g., academic) sources, since the contents of Wikipedia must be verifiable. Unfortunately, I cannot help you regarding your observation about Mihály Károlyi, but as long as there are considerable number of reliable sources which support your argument, please, go ahead with the changes. Your contributions are appreciated. Thanks and happy editing, KœrteFa {ταλκ} 21:21, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

File:Mosakodo No 2.JPG

File:Mosakodo No 2.JPG has been nominated for deletion -- 65.94.76.126 (talk) 07:11, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Unfortunately we can not use this picture without permission. Fakirbakir (talk) 10:23, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Kingdom of Hungary (1000–1526)

A proposal for size splitting of the above article has been made. All comments are welcome. Borsoka (talk) 06:15, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Monitor Drava-(model-of-the-warship).jpg

File:Monitor Drava-(model-of-the-warship).jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 03:50, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Stephen Báthory for a GA

I am now improving this article for a GA. Any comments and assistance would be much welcome! --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:57, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia article

Re: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/J%C3%A1nos_Ny%C3%ADri&redirect=no

Please advise!

Thank you.

Oulipo Oui (talk) 02:16, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Actors with Hungarian Descent

There are a few categories for actors with Hungarian descent which are being proposed for deletion or merging. If you have an opinion, for or against, please weigh in at:
Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2013 September 3#Actors of Hungarian descent
Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 14:38, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/The Wooden Belfry of Nyírbátor

Dear Hungary experts: This article, which as been submitted for review at Afc, refers back to an article in the Hungary Wikipedia, hu:Nyírbátori református templom. When I copy the first line of the Hungarian article into Google, it comes up with multiple web sites with the same text, but I can't read them. Before reviewing the English one, I'd like to make sure that the Hungarian one is not a copyright violation, or, if so, that the English one is not a direct translation. Can someone who speaks the language help? —Anne Delong (talk) 16:48, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

At first look I would say there is no copyright violation. Actually the source of those mentioned websites seems to be the Hungarian Wikipedia. One of them even cites its source (at "Nyírbátori református templom" [3]). These websites [4] are simple travel and tourism websites. The English text is dissimilar from the Hungarian content (therefore not a direct translation). Fakirbakir (talk) 21:18, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, that helps a lot. —Anne Delong (talk) 23:01, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Requested article: Hungarian Civil War (1384–1394)

A red link from Greater Poland Civil War which I just created. We have the Lithuanian Civil War (1381–1384), so it would be nice to complete the series of articles on the chaos in that time and place with the missing Hungarian war. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:48, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Dear Piotrus, I think that article would not be created based on reliable sources. There were a series of internal conflicts, but they could not be grouped into a civil war. Borsoka (talk) 06:13, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Hungarian historiography does not refer as "civil war" to these events. Hungarian Civil War (1440–1445), Hungarian Civil War (1526–1538) have similar problem. --Norden1990 (talk) 09:43, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

How does the Hungarian historiography refers to those events then? I don't think this is the term used in English literature, neither, so this red link probably needs to be removed... --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:01, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

As far as I know there are no separate umbrella terms for these events. Maybe trónharcok ("fights for the throne") is used, but I had to cheque it. Borsoka (talk) 03:52, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

It would be nice to know. List of wars involving Hungary has an entry for "Civil war between a part of the Hungarian nobility and Mary, Queen of Hungary and Sigismund king", so something probably should be linked from there (one of the reasons I've created the mentioned Polish civil war article was to have something linked from the similar entry at the List of wars involving Poland). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:01, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

I found this: Horváti-párt lázadása, "Horvat Rebellion" (Horvat or Horváti was az influential noble family, see John Horvat and Paul Horvat), however this is only a short part of that conflict between Sigismund and the nobility. --Norden1990 (talk) 15:24, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

List of Romanian words of possible Dacian origin

The List of Romanian words of possible Dacian origin article has been proposed for deletion. Your opinions are welcomed. --Norden1990 (talk) 16:20, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

viktatúra / Victatorship

Hi there!

I've attempted to add an article to clarify the new upcoming term "Viktatúra" – "Victatorship", but my post was immediately deleted by user "Pagony".

Since I was simply notified that my article would be vandalism, due to being useless, pointless ("értelmetlen"), I've attempted to clarify if the issue at hand was related to thematics or style. Unfortunately, the reply received, "Encyclopedy, wikipedia is." failed to answer my query. Without taking a path to an argument with user Pagony, I hoped the community could clarify why the term "victatorship" would be, if at all, unacceptable in Wikipedia. I did remind user above that there are many terms in the Hungarian, as well as in the English language that derived from merging other terms or referring to leaders with significance. ie. Machiavellianism Marxism etc similarly as the term mentioned above: refers to the institutional system applied and practised by the Hungarian government, led by Viktor Orban. I do not think, I, or either of us are here to judge the rightfulness of the act or even the meaning of the term, all we ought to do, is to present objectively and describe what it means, potentially, with appropriate reasoning.

I do realise, that my article needs further work, and that is the main reason I also rely on the wikipedia community to add details and work on the article, however that is subject to appearing at least.

Now referring to all mentioned above, please, do let me know, if I'm lost here, and do not hesitate to clarify if I am misunderstanding something.

many thanks

PA (talk) 16:05, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

It seems to me that a major problem with your page Viktatúra is that's it's not in English. Try putting it in the Hungarian version of Wikipedia Nigej (talk) 16:44, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

List of rulers of Hungary

I would like to ask for your votes: Talk:List of rulers of Hungary#Requested move. --Norden1990 (talk) 19:36, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Elizabeth of Bosnia FAC

Last month I nominated the article about the Hungarian queen Elizabeth of Bosnia for FA status, but it has not attracted enough reviewers yet. Elizabeth, who ended up losing her head, governed Hungary during one of the most unstable periods in its history – unstable mostly because she and the monarch for whom she ruled were women. The article (rated GA) is of great interest to WikiProject Hungary, and I would be very grateful if a member of this WikiProject commented on the nomination. Surtsicna (talk) 13:06, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Subdivisions of Hungary

More input needed at Talk:Subdivisions of Hungary#Requested move, where there s a debate between only 2 editors. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:07, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Hungarian names

Sorry is there a specific WP:Naming conventions (Hungary) or WP:Hungarian names somewhere? In ictu oculi (talk) 17:00, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Ugh. The question goes deeper, there seems to be some kind of Hungarian-Slovak edit war going on behind Talk:Sámuel Mikoviny. Can someone please help finding the relevant MOS guideline. Thanks. In ictu oculi (talk) 11:02, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Hungarian Turanism

Hungarian Turanism (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) could use some eyes, see the comments on the talk page (and indeed on my talk page). Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 11:59, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

The edit-warring at this article is reaching farcical proportions. It is tagged as of interest to this project. Could we see a bit of 'interest' please? RashersTierney (talk) 15:32, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Hungarians in Serbia

Hello!

Here is this recently created article, which is a clear duplication of the Hungarians in Vojvodina article. I've suggested to merge it into the well-developed main article. Your opinion is welcomed. — Thehoboclown (talk) 14:32, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Magyaro Airlines – hoax?

Can someone verify this? I cannot find anything by Googling for [" Magyaro Airlines" -wikipedia], including the company's webpage ([5]). If this is not a hoax, this looks like a very suspicious company... and one that may have trouble passing WP:CORP. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:52, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

It seems to be a hoax. I have found nothing about this "company". Fakirbakir (talk) 12:48, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Agree, hoax. --Norden1990 (talk) 13:09, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Two lists

• List of Hungarians
• List of Hungarians who were born outside present-day Hungary

Why are there two separate lists? According to the second article, "The borders of Hungary have changed substantially in the past century." The borders of Poland/Russia (Russian Empire, Soviet Russia, Soviet Union, Russian Federation) also changed "substantially in the past century", but there is no a separate article, named "List of Polish/Russian people who were born outside present-day [borders of] Poland/Russia." This is absurd, i think we sould merge them.--Rovibroni (talk) 20:03, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

That is a good point. Fakirbakir (talk) 20:30, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Merge

I propose that List of Hungarians who were born outside present-day Hungary be merged into List of Hungarians. See: Talk:List of Hungarians#Merge. --Rovibroni (talk) 13:46, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Peer review: Hunyadi family

Comments and suggestions would be appreciated here. Borsoka (talk) 05:33, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Greater Romania (political concept)

Would you please tell us your opinion on this matter? All comments are welcome.Fakirbakir (talk) 08:15, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Request for move

Editors are invited to express their opinions at Talk:Greater Hungary (political concept)#Requested move (2) Avpop (talk) 07:52, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Mistake in the Kompolt page: image shows Palace of Godollo instead of Kompolt`s Karolyi Residence!

Mistake in the Kompolt page: image shows Palace of Godollo instead of Kompolt`s Karolyi Residence!Regards, Emoke Abasari — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.21.239.111 (talk) 16:00, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

It's true, so deleted. --Rakás (talk) 12:58, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

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AfC submission – 09/06

Draft:Dömötör Tower. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 15:28, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

The article already existed at Dömötör Tower. I've fixed it up, but if anyone has anything else to add (like good English language references), it would certainly help. - TheMightyQuill (talk) 22:50, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

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Monarch categorization

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was separate into sub-categories. (I will use a bot to move all the contents and then tidy up afterwards.) – Fayenatic London 21:04, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Should articles in Category:Hungarian monarchs be separated into Category:Kings of Hungary, Category:Queens regnant of Hungary, and other subcategories to bring them in line with France and the British Isles? Chris Troutman (talk) 16:57, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

The proposal is mine, but Chris Troutman has suggested on my talk page that this change could be opportune. I created the category Category:Kings of Hungary while having the pattern Category:Kings of France. The supercategory is Category:European kings. I also created Category:Queens regnant of Hungary which is a subcat of Category:Queens regnant (similarly to Category:Queens regnant in the British Isles).

Besides the above indicated subcategories, Category:Magyar tribal chieftains and Category:Grand Princes of the Hungarians (not created yet) should also be included in Category:Hungarian monarchs.

I'd like to invite User:Borsoka, User:Fakirbakir and User:Koertefa to this discussion PersecutedUser (talk) 05:51, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Support. I think the above would be a logical approach. Borsoka (talk) 15:47, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

Occupation of Southern Slovakia

Hello!

I've just raised some issues on the talk page of the Occupation of Southern Slovakia article. I'd be happy if you could share your views and help to solve the issues. Thank you! – Thehoboclown (talk) 13:36, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

There is an ongoing discussion about it here: Talk:First Vienna Award#Life in the annexed territory -> New article Fakirbakir (talk) 14:05, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Peer review/Matthias Corvinus/archive1

Any comments, suggestions are welcome. Borsoka (talk) 13:27, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

FAC:Stephen I of Hungary

Could anyone assist in fixing this problem? I had no literature on this specific topic (St Stephen in arts). Előre is köszönet. Borsoka (talk) 02:30, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

St. Stephen in the Hungarian poetry, perhaps useful. Otherwise the section's second paragraph is well-sourced, there is no need to delete it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.21.162.141 (talk) 13:12, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Comment on the WikiProject X proposal

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"Hungarian Improved"

FYI, the usage of "Hungarian Improved" is up for discussion, see Talk:Dutch Landrace -- 65.94.171.225 (talk) 06:27, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lia Szepes

Views welcome at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lia Szepes – a 1930s actress with several seemingly significant roles. however the article is largely unsourced – anyone have a view on Szepes' significance to Hungarian cinema? -- Euryalus (talk) 21:14, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Article on a Hungarian rail line proposed for deletion

Copied from WT:TWP
Nyiregyháza-Záhony railway is unreferenced and in poor English. Can anyone supply sources and fix it up? Mjroots (talk) 06:48, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Márton-nap

Ha a közelgő ünnep alkalmából valakinek kedve támadna kiegészíteni a St. Martin's Day cikket magyar vonatkozásokal, annak ajánlom figyelmébe a nemrég megírt hu:Márton-napi népszokásokat. --Rlevente (talk) 16:28, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

Help needed

Could anyone tell me if there is a Hungarian article equivalent for Battle of Zlatica? Uhlan ^talk 21:25, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

No equivalent for. --Rakás (talk) 13:02, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Help and new member

Hi. I would like to be a new member of the Wikiproject Hungary. I am new here and I also need some help how to create picture etc. Thank you very much your help. I speak Hungarian and English. User : Benlovas

Notability check at Draft:Erno Polgar

This draft has lingered in the AFC queue; can anyone take a look and either use the AFC tools to accept or deny it, or if you prefer just type a comment at the top (it's a draft, it's fine) letting later reviewers know your expert opinion as to whether this article should publish? I can't read Hungarian so note sure what to make of this guy's Notability. Link: Draft:Erno Polgar. Thanks! MatthewVanitas (talk) 03:35, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

Erno Polgar hungarian writer is a nobility person, famous jewish writer. Peter Weisz President https://www.facebook.com/BimaBarankovicsIzraelitaMuhely

BIMA Jewish Workshop — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.132.184.37 (talk) 16:10, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Erno Polgar is a famous contemporary person and writer, the article about him can publish. Dr. Aldref Schöner rector of the Jewish University (Budapest)

http://hegedus.bzsh.hu/web/index.php/magunkrol/koerzetuenk-mveszei.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.132.184.37 (talk) 16:21, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Erno Polgar excellent person and writer in Hungary" M/S Piroska Keri President of the Belletrist Association http://www.szepiroktarsasaga.hu/tagjaink/Polgár_Ernô  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.132.184.37 (talk) 16:28, 7 December 2014 (UTC) 
Erno Polgar is a famous writer in Hungary.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wimarta47 (talk • contribs) 18:55, 7 December 2014 (UTC) 
Erno Polgar is a well-know man, writer...the article about him is all right, please your kind helps and to publish it!188.143.109.56 (talk) 20:51, 7 December 2014 (UTC) Szász Kati
Erno Polgar is a Notability person, writer, he has written many excellent books.08.12.2014.Jávorszky Edit  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.98.33.150 (talk) 08:21, 8 December 2014 (UTC) 

Ernő Polgár is a well known writer in Hungary – has received for his anti racist principles – the Radnóti Anti-Racism Award 2014. The readers can find the different manifestations of the anti-Semitism in his works. Ernő Polgar's philosophy is, “the measure of the civilization are the respect for ancestors and humanism.” Tamas Barat President of the Radnóti Anti-Racism Award Foundation User:TomBarat

Ernő Polgar a broad-minded unbiased writer, he does not say more than he thinks.

He does not fake it and try to make it appear, to himself or the reader, that there is a coherent and probable whole when there isn't, has new insights.He is natural skeptics and think of things from their reader’s point of view.He strives to explain, to make things a little bit clearer, to make sense of our world and tells a full story,roots out opposing viewpoints.

Adrienne Vadon (Vienna, Austria) https://www.xing.com/profile/Adrienne_Vadon — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.132.184.37 (talk) 16:47, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Peer review: Hungarian prehistory

All comments here would be appreciated. Thank you, Borsoka (talk) 12:52, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Seeking for comments

Has anybody heard of the independent County of Csesznek and of the hereditary Wildgraves of Bakony? I think the two articles should be deleted, because they contain OR and speculation. Borsoka (talk) 05:12, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Szeklerland / More opinions needed

Could you tell your opinion about this matter? Talk:Székely Land#The name in the Old Hungarian alphabet Thank You! Fakirbakir (talk) 07:12, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Article request: Ottó Herman

Ottó Herman, Hungarian naturalist, archaeologist, and politician, currently lacks an article on English Wikipedia, although he has articles on several non-English Wikis, and a Featured Article on Hungarian Wikipedia: see Herman Ottó. It appears most of the biographical sources are in Hungarian, so if someone fluent enough to translate could at least make half as good an article, it would be a great contribution to English Wikipedia (I really want to read it!). Note we have already have Ottó Herman Museum, and a nicely curated Commons category at Commons:Category:Ottó Herman. I don't speak or read a bit of Hungarian, but I'd be willing to help find sources. All the best, --Animalparty-- (talk) 04:19, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

Update: I've found a few English articles to start a stub, but it still appears the bulk of authoritative source material is in Hungarian. All are welcome to contribute! --Animalparty-- (talk) 18:49, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Wildgraves of Bakony

The article Wildgraves of Bakony has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

There is no reliable source for the very existence of this hereditary title of Hungarian nobility.

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Proposed deletion of County of Csesznek and Milvány

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There is no reliable source that substantiates the very existence of this polity

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Should Kingdom of Hungary be a child category of History of Romania?

With User:Redbluelighting I've had a discussion here among others about the question whether Category:Kingdom of Hungary should be a child category of Category:History of Romania (and more generally whether Kingdom of Hungary should be a child category of the history of all of Hungary's surrounding countries). The discussion hasn't led to consensus between the two of us. Could you please share your opinion on this issue at the talk page of WP:Romania? Marcocapelle (talk) 05:49, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Hungarian and Serbian as minority languages in Pannonian Croatia

You might be interested to share your oppinions on requested comments I made last month on article Minority language in order to solve issue of minority languages in ifnoboxes on articles of municipalities and towns in Croatia (Hungarian language Wikipedia policy might be affected in articles like Kneževi Vinogradi). I think that your involvement can help to overcome the fictitious conflict made by an editor that insists on eliminating co-official minority names (covered by sources) from articles by the claim that WP Croatia has a consensus to eliminate them from articles. I do not know anything about such a consensus and I think that he present his biased opinion as project position. Still, your involvement would be benefitial. You can take part in conversation here: Talk:Minority language#Minority languages in geographical articles.--MirkoS18 (talk) 13:22, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Ladislaus I of Hungary: peer review

All comments and suggestions are welcome here. Thank you for your time in advance. Borsoka (talk) 03:51, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Hungarian nationalism

This article has been a stub since it's inception almost four years ago. Does anyone want to help expand it? Charles Essie (talk) 00:49, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Iuliu Barátky listed at Requested moves

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'Hungarian rock' – new articles for worldwide – request!

Hungarian rock music is desperately underrepresented in international music genre articles, because of the lack of links and sub- and subarticle chains. Further articles related to 'Hungarian rock' would be very important, to make Hungarian artists available from international music genre articles, like 'Alternative rock'. A key important article would be eg. 'Hungarian alternative rock'. On this branch the following articles should be created:

• 'Alternative rock' > new section should be created: 'East-European Alternative Rock'
• 'East-European Alternative Rock' > new article should be created, indcluding a section of 'Hungarian Alternative Rock', with 'Main Article: Hungarian Alternative Rock' link
• 'Hungarian alternative rock > new article should be created with subgenres
• existing Hungarian alternative subgenres articles shoud be link into 'Hungarian alternative rock' article, if needed (eg. Indie rock)
• 'Hungarian punk rock' > new article should be created

Hungarians of the World! Start the work! --Harom65 (talk) 10:25, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

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Peer review: Kingdom of Hungary (1000–1301)

All comments, suggestions are welcome here. Thank you for your time. Borsoka (talk) 02:32, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Thousands of Hungarian cityscape and other images may be deleted from Commons

Please see discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous)#Two weeks to save freedom of panorama in Europe. I think it is an item of major interest to the editors interested in this WikiProject. The (very underestimated) counts for how many images may be affected have been posted to commons:Commons talk:Freedom of Panorama 2015#numbers. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 01:07, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Helicopters

Hello all,
Could anybody help with the Hungarian Air Force article? Some editors are changing numbers of helicopters back and forth. There are a couple of sources which are not particularly high-quality and which might be misleading or out of date. We can be confident that the air force got lots of helicopters in the past, but in the last few years some will have been put in a museum, dismantled for parts, sold, &c – so it's difficult to be confident of exact numbers now. (And if we can't trust a number, I think we should remove it from the article; others seem to disagree). Any suggestions? Can anybody get better or more recent sources?
Köszönöm – bobrayner (talk) 12:01, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Mózes Székely

Horribly written article, it has to be reviewed TheDacian (talk) 22:17, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

János Esterházy

His page does not demonstrate the Hungarian viewpoint properly. The article needs serious improvement. Fakirbakir (talk) 07:37, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

I plan to continue contributing to that article, but quite busy at the moment. Hence, some help would indeed be appreciated, in order to ensure the balance of that article. Dr. Szent-Ivány's book about János Esterházy is freely available [6] and could be a possible source to use. Cheers, KœrteFa {ταλκ} 19:21, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your answer (and for your link) :)! Fakirbakir (talk) 10:21, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

In this case, I will follow standard rules for questionable sources declaring extreme opinions and with poor verification of facts. I assume, there will not be any problem with this. Especially in regard to extreme opinions like "It has been the aim of all Czech political parties, government and exile groups to dominate Slovakia and to assimilate the Slovak people" (here) or "Not only has Slovakia been exploited economically and socially, but the Czechs have been doing everything possible to prevent Slovakia from culturally progressing at a normal pace." (here), or "Only a few Slovaks [...] took part in the uprising" (here) or "facts" like "The Slovak Peoples Party [...] embraced some 80 percent of the Slovak people (here) and many other extreme opinions and factual mistakes.--Ditinili (talk) 22:18, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

In *this* case? Which case? Anyway, you are very welcome if you take time to double-check those claims which are added to the article. This has the potential of serving as an excellent quality control. On the other hand, I do not think that you are right when you called Dr. Szent-Ivány's opinion extreme and talked about poor verification of facts (please, also see my answer on the Talk page of the article). However, if you think that his book is not reliable and should not be used on WP then, by all means, raise the issue on WP:RSN. Cheers, KœrteFa {ταλκ} 17:39, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

In the case of *this* book. Koertefa, I quoted several sentences. I believe that it will be quite easy to reach wide consensus that these options are strongly biased, extreme and more, they are clear lies. I will be especially interested on opinion of Czech editors who will blow away these theories in minute, just by documenting how many Slovak schools and cultural institutions were built only during the first 20 years of Czechoslovakia. And if we agree that this is shining example of extreme and biased source, there is no rational reason why to use such (at least) controvert source instead of some other reliable books.-Ditinili (talk) 18:51, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Hungarophobia

Article of Hungarophobia has been recreated recently. Unfortunately a lot of text has been deleted because of POV issues. Now, the article looks like a mess. Please help to improve it. Thank you! Fakirbakir (talk) 19:43, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Military history of Hungary

This article is incoherent, chaotic and exceptionally badly written.Fakirbakir (talk) 22:02, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

WP Hungary article

FYI Ágnes Szávay diff latest nuisance after WP:TENNISNAMES2. In ictu oculi (talk) 06:28, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Radó von Kövesligethy

Another editor created Radó von Kövesligethy. An article exists in the Hungarian Wikipedia at hu:Kövesligethy Radó. I tried to improve the English article, but I don't speak Hungarian, and I don't know whether the surname should be shown as von Kövesligethy' or just as Kövesligethy. I would appreciate it if someone could look at the article and improve it. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 00:09, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Hungarian language

There are two threads on the Talk page of the Hungarian language article about which I would like to ask your opinions. The first one is about the number of native speakers, while the second one is about the question whether the classification that Hungarian belongs to the Finno-Ugric group should appear (or only the statement that it is an Uralic language). Related to this, you may also want to check these comments. Thanks and cheers, KœrteFa {ταλκ} 13:42, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Kalyi Jag

I started an article about Kalyi Jag (music group). It would be nice if someone who can read Hungarian would expand and if needed correct the article. Regards, Iselilja (talk) 17:24, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

New article and move: Lajos Jánossy -> Jánossy Lajos?

If possible, some opinions on the talk page of this new article would help, concerning a move from Lajos Jánossy -> Jánossy Lajos. Thanks, M∧Ŝc²ħεИ_τlk 06:19, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Rába (company)

Article of Raba would need serious improvement. Actually the topic of the Hungarian automotive industry is mostly missing from English Wikipedia (IMO). Fakirbakir (talk) 19:58, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Copyright concerns related to your project

This notice is to advise interested editors that a Contributor copyright investigation has been opened which may impact this project. Such investigations are launched when contributors have been found to have placed copyrighted content on Wikipedia on multiple occasions. It may result in the deletion of images or text and possibly articles in accordance with Wikipedia:Copyright violations. The specific investigation which may impact this project is located here.

All contributors with no history of copyright problems are welcome to contribute to CCI clean up. There are instructions for participating on that page. Additional information may be requested from the user who placed this notice, at the process board talkpage, or from an active CCI clerk. Thank you. MER-C 04:22, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

I should add that many of the copyright violations in this case result from direct translations of non-free Hungarian-language sources into English. In order to identify these problems (of which there could be as many as 1500) we're in great need of editors with proficiency in both Hungarian and English. If you can read Hungarian, please consider volunteering some time at Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/Norden1990 and Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/Norden1990 2 to check some articles. Instructions are given at the top of the former page, though of course feel free to ask on the talk page if you have any questions about the procedure. Thanks! —Psychonaut (talk) 07:48, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Who decides what counts as "direct translation"? "Direct translation" is a non-existent thing because English and Hungarian are entirely different languages (IMHO, I am not a linguist)....Fakirbakir (talk) 17:09, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

When a work is translated, the copyright of the original persists in the translation. Thus, whenever freely licensed text is translated into English here, we are required to respect the terms of the licence (such as giving due credit), and whenever non-free text is translated, it needs to be removed as a copyright violation. See Derivative work, Wikipedia:Translation, and Wikipedia:Plagiarism#Translating for further details.

Admittedly, it is not always apparent whether a given text is a translation of a foreign-language original, or simply relies on it as a reference. In such cases many of the guides and principles from Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing can be applied or adapted to assess the text.

The translations involved in this contributor copyright investigation, however, are very clear-cut: entire documents have been slavishly translated sentence by sentence, with practically no edition whatsoever. That is, material is almost never omitted, reordered, or synthesized with facts from other sources; all the facts and arguments, and their order of presentation, are faithfully preserved in every respect except the language of communication. —Psychonaut (talk) 17:43, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Do we know that those CVs published on the website of the Parliament are protected? Are we sure that the transformation of CVs into biographies qualifies as an infridgement of the copyright? Borsoka (talk) 01:14, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

To answer your first question: Every modern text is presumptively copyrighted with all rights reserved from the moment of creation, so any time we wish to use third-party text on Wikipedia the onus is on us to show otherwise. In this case the contributor hasn't provided any evidence that the text was freely licensed or in the public domain, despite multiple requests which have been left unanswered for two weeks. I (and presumably User:MER-C and other administrators involved in this case) tried to independently confirm whether the text might be freely licensed or in the public domain by consulting the source website and the applicable laws of concerning government publications. There was no indication on the parlament.hu website that the MP biographies are free content, and while Hungarian law does provide that certain government publications are not subject to copyright, this appears to apply only to legal promulgations such as legislation and court rulings. (In any case, at least some of biographies look to be provided by the MPs themselves in a personal capacity.) If you are able to provide evidence that the biographies in question are free content, then please do so, as this will resolve a number of the cases without us having to delete any content. (Note, however, that this won't solve all the cases, as there are many others where substantial amounts of English text have been copied verbatim, with neither permission nor attribution.)

To answer your second question: "Transformation" of CVs into biographies may or may not constitute copyright infringement; it depends entirely on the nature and extent of the transformation. There is nothing wrong with taking a CV in one language and using the facts it contains to produce a biography in another language. Again, the cases we are seeing here are superficial, with large blocks of prose taken from Hungarian CVs and translated sentence by sentence into equivalent prose in English. That is, it's not just the facts which are being copied but also the manner and order in which they're presented, modulo the change in language. Again, our article on derivative works is useful here and covers translation. —Psychonaut (talk) 08:32, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Andras Schiff

Dear Fellows I shortened the article about Andras Schiff. Two readers, TDH3 and DavidCane deleted my revision.

"(cur | prev) 14:40, 24 June 2014‎ Musicus2 (talk | contribs)‎ . . (10,422 bytes) (-3,037)‎ . . ("The goal of Wikipedia is to create an encyclopedic information source adhering to a NEUTRAL point of view", "It is the responsibility of all contributors to ensure that material posted on Wikipedia is not DEFAMATORY".) (undo) (cur | prev) 21:32, 24 June 2014‎ THD3 (talk | contribs)‎ . . (13,459 bytes) (+3,037)‎ . . (Undid revision 614233939 by Musicus2 (talk) There was nothing defamatory and Wikipedia is not censored.) (undo | thank) (cur | prev) 23:07, 27 June 2014‎ Musicus2 (talk | contribs)‎ . . (10,422 bytes) (-3,037)‎ . . (Undid revision 614279585 by THD3 (talk) I undid your revision: Biography: 26 lines, Awards: 14 lines, Political views 20 (!) lines. I shortened this, 4 lines is enough! See Adam Fischer.) (undo) (cur | prev) 14:03, 28 June 2014‎ DavidCane (talk | contribs)‎ . . (13,459 bytes) (+3,037)‎ . . (Undid revision 614696545 by Musicus2 (talk) – please don't remove valid information or sign your edits on the page) (undo | thank)

I join you my private letter to Mr Cane.

Dear Mr Cane I shortened the article about 'Andras Schiff' because his political views were detailed too longish. Schiff is not a politician, he is one of the greatest living pianists of the world. The proportions of the article before my action were the following: biography: 26 lines, awards: 14 lines, political views 20 (!) lines. Is this all right? I think not. I shortened the section "political views" to 4 lines without changing its essence. I wrote the similar letter to THD3. Maybe, all the information I deleted are valid, but unnecessary. He is 60 now and the shortened section concern to his last 3 years (on 16 lines!). Please read the article about Adam Fischer conductor whose political views are the same as Schiff's. His political views are detailed in 4 lines. If you agree, please restore my modification. If not, I give you gladly more informations about this story. Best wishes Istvan Kassai pianist kassaipiano@gmail.com kassai-istvan.hu

I ask you to restore my revision, please. Please feedback my letter to my mail address above. Kindest regards István Kassai — Preceding unsigned comment added by Musicus2 (talk • contribs) 10:16, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Languages in censuses and Race and ethnicity in censuses

Pleas add information about this country to this articles.--Kaiyr (talk) 07:38, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Gyula Gömbös Edits POV/Anti-Semitic?

I'm concerned about edits made to Gyula Gömbös by 78.92.108.24. I'm no expert on Gömbös and both sources are in Hungarian which I don't read, but these edits have the subtle appearance of being a POV defense or whitewashing of Gömbös. I even find some of the edits subtly anti-Semitic in themselves. The fact that these are the only edits made by an editor with no username or profile makes me even more suspicious.

Here are the quotes pertaining to Jews.

"Gömbös also supported certain political actions against Hungary’s Jews, having noted that Kun and many of the ministers in his Communist government were Jews. There was widespread sentiment in the country that the Jews were the primary backers of Communism."

"The Jewish leadership under Stem and Szanto supported the appointment of Gömbös and his programs in exchange for Gömbös promising not to enact any anti-Jewish laws and through his policies does not cause economic harm to the Jews. Gömbös kept his promise, and did not enact any anti-Jewish laws and his economic programs were favorable to the mercantile interests."

I'm afraid I don't have time to pursue this further at the moment, but I at least wanted to call attention to these concerns.Hirschjoshua (talk) 03:51, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

The National Bank of Hungary changed its name and logo

Dear Editors,

I came across the page of Hungarian National Bank (Hungarian National Bank). The bank has changed its English name and logo after the recent (1st October 2013) merger with the Hungarian Financial Supervisory Authority. The new name according to its own website (http://english.mnb.hu/) is "The Central Bank of Hungary". Shouldn't be the page renamed accordingly?

Regards, Ariel — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ariel.hartung (talk • contribs) 09:39, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Expert attention

This is a notice about Category:Hungary articles needing expert attention, which might be of interest to your WikiProject. It will take a while before the category is populated. Iceblock (talk) 16:15, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

WikiProject X is live!

Hello everyone!

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Harej (talk) 16:57, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Stephen I of Hungary

The "Artistic representation" part of the article is still contains unreferenced text. I am not an expert in this field, but the fact that no references to reliable sources have been added for several years to this part of the article suggests that that part is not notable. During the second FAC, this issue has again raised. I suggest that that part of the article should be deleted if we cannot find proper references before the end of the FAC. Borsoka (talk) 16:32, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Nyíregyháza

Please see Talk:Nyíregyháza#Religions, Churches. There are problems with the English, and not just in that section.

I don't know Hungarian, but I'm interested in this article because my grandfather on my father's side was said to have come from a small town near Nyíregyháza, before WWI. To discuss this with me, please {{Ping}} me. --Thnidu (talk) 08:22, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

genus vs gens

I may have been over-hasty. Unfamiliar with Hungary, I happened upon one article that confused the Latin words genus (pl. genera) and gens (pl. gentes), and 'corrected' it. Then looking at its category I see there are dozens of Hungarian "genera". Please advise: is genus standard usage for a Hungarian analogue of Roman gens? —Tamfang (talk) 21:01, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Unreferenced villages

In November 2006 a user bulk created a few hundred articles on Hungarian towns and villages. You can find them under Category:Populated places in Hungary by county. They were created without references, and most remain unreferenced today. After eight years they are some of the oldest unreferenced articles out there. Most of them are well referenced on the Hungarian Wikipedia. Does anyone have the time and ability to work on cleaning these up? - SimonP (talk) 19:37, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Inaccurate map?

I'd like to ask User:Fakirbakir. User:Norden1990, User:Koertefa. User:Borsoka etc what they think about this map: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:KaisertumOsterreich.png

I can see there something similar to Voivodeship of Serbia and Banat of Temeschwar. Was the Banat + Vojvodina a separate crownland then? According to an unsourced statement from the article Banat of Temeswar, the province "was abolished in 1778, and in 1779, it was incorporated into the Habsburg Kingdom of Hungary". 86.127.22.164 (talk) 15:27, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

The map presents the Austrian Empire between 1849 and 1860 (not between 1816 and 1867), but incorrectly. The map correctly presents that Voivodina and Banat formed one province ("Voivodeship of Serbia and Banat of Temeschwar") during this period. However, the map does not present the so-called "Military Frontier", which was a wide zone along the southern borders of the kingdom in Croatia, Slavonia, Voivodina and Banat. (I refer to Pándi, Lajos (1997). Köztes-Európa, 1763–1993: Térképgyűjtemény [The "Between" Europe, 1763–1993: A Collection of Map]. Osiris Kiadó. ISBN 963-379-281-9. page 145.). Borsoka (talk) 16:04, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

I agree. I hope User:Fakirbakir can fix at least the dates, unfortunately my image editing skills are limited. --Norden1990 (talk) 18:58, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Also, Weissenburg / Gyulafehérvár / Alba Iulia was the capital of the Principality of Transylvania (1570–1711) only until 1692. The capital of the Principality of Transylvania (1711–1867) was in Sibiu / Hermannstadt (1711–1791, 1848–1861) and Cluj / Klausenburg) (1791–1848, 1861–1867). 79.117.201.16 (talk) 08:32, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

RfC: Jadwiga of Poland

All comments would be appreciated here. Thank you for your time. Borsoka (talk) 22:06, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Help with sourcing?

I've recently declined a speedy on the article for István Regős. The article asserts that his work is present in the collections of various museums, which is enough to pass speedy criteria. What I need are people who can look for Hungarian language sources and put them in the article, if they exist. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 07:25, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

My present for your project

Finno-Ugric Wikipedias  (Complete number of articles: 1,465,302) Finnish Hungarian Estonian Meadow Mari Hill Mari Northern Sami Erzya Võro 583,398 549,876 248,803 11,328 10,431 7,894 7,870 6,985 Veps Moksha Inari Sámi Udmurt Komi-Zyrian Livvi-Karelian Komi-Permyak 6,712 6,839 5,980 5,715 5,542 4,462 3,467

Hunu (talk) 11:56, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Peer review: Kingdom of Hungary (1000–1301)

All comments would be appreciated here. Borsoka (talk) 02:43, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Active Members

I noticed that many of the people on the list of members are inactive, so I "archived" the old names, and made an "active" list. I'd appreciate if all active members would add their names to the new section of the list. TheLegitimist (talk) 09:18, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

AfD: House of Dolha and Petrova

Comments are welcome at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/House of Dolha and Petrova. Borsoka (talk) 20:31, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

AfD: Tatomir, Voivode of Ung and Bereg

All comments are appreciated at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tatomir, Voivode of Ung and Bereg. Borsoka (talk) 20:42, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Category:Miklós Horthy has been nominated for discussion

Category:Miklós Horthy, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to see if it abides with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. RevelationDirect (talk) 02:25, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Austrian Empire and Kingdom of Hungary 1526–1848 is in danger!

Hello everybody, I urge all of you to check on and do the needful regarding these two articles, since a recent edit warring I do not see the chance to have real consensus, since a possible distortion and reinvention of Hungary's history and status is going on, and in the summer major changes were carried out in the articles! Anyway, any consensus is already abolished, since cheating history cannot be tolerated in any means. On the first article almost 90% of the Hungary related content was deleted, and by misinterpreting a Hungarian source that is concluding clearly the opposite as it was changed to the current version, a total fake information is highlighted and all the counter-proofs are deleted....the old version existed for a long-while, nobody had problem with it..Unfortunately only nowadays I noticed the inacceptable blatant change! The second article is littlier affected, but there also the most important information is hindered and corrupted to a misinterpreted, false information, based on the same roots. Since both pages are member of Wikiproject Hungary and C-class, Top-importance is the designation, more effort has to be done. I explained and proved more times why this change is inacceptable, but still no deal, that after a long time that is highly suspicious! Although you may encounter some repetitions and it's very long, but please carefully read both talk pages content. Start with the Kingdom of Hungary 1526–1848 – (talk page section Austrian Empire 1804–1867) and then Austrian Empire – (talk page section Hungary). If we do not resolve this issue soon, in will end up in the Administartor's and Incident's board. I managed to trial more such of incidents and clear historical cheat attempts, distortions were abolished and cannot be anymore highlighted on Wikipedia. Regarding these cases, the pages cannot remain the form as they are, you'll meet also the solution proposals! Thank You(KIENGIR (talk) 23:22, 20 December 2015 (UTC))

Austro-Hungarian Compromise of 1867

Hi everybody, unfortuately I have to add also this article as the same problems are recognized mentioned in the earlier notification. Entire important sections are removed, the source's real content are turned out from the original meaning! Heavy assistance needed! Thank You(KIENGIR (talk) 01:58, 23 December 2015 (UTC))

AfC submission

See Draft:László Ladányi. Thank you, FoCuS contribs; talk to me! 23:01, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

Battle of Kerlés

All comments are highly appreciated here: Wikipedia:No original research/Noticeboard#Battle of Kerlés. Borsoka (talk) 02:57, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Śmigus-dyngus

There is relevant for this wikiproject article. Dawid2009 (talk) 12:38, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

Peer review: Coloman the Learned

All comments would be highly appreciated here: Wikipedia:Peer review/Coloman, King of Hungary/archive1. Thank you for your time. Borsoka (talk) 06:32, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

Help!

My low intelligence prevents me from understanding the problems mentioned here Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Ladislaus I of Hungary/archive2 (in connection with the pictures). I would highly appreciate your assistance to fix them. Thank you for your time. Borsoka (talk) 04:52, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

Bojan Djordjic move request

Since tennis player Bojan Djordjic is tagged as being of interest to this wikiproject, please join in the move discussion at Talk:Bojan Djordjic#Requested move 19 May 2016. Rovingrobert (talk) 01:36, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Szilágyi-Oaş

Has anybody read of this noble family? I assume this a new hoaks by one of our co-editors who thinks that all Szilágyis in Hungary are related to the family of Matthias Corvinus's mother. Borsoka (talk) 18:16, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

This article is hoax. --Norden1990 (talk) 18:45, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

Yes, it is. És én mijen hüje vagyok, hogy még leírni sem tudom, hogy "hoax". :) :) :) Borsoka (talk) 19:00, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

I will look at this in a few days. I've encountered some fake nobility on Wikipedia earlier and I'll certainly look at it when I have more time. Gerard von Hebel (talk) 18:49, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

Auto-assessment of article classes

Following a recent discussion at WP:VPR, there is consensus for an opt-in bot task that automatically assesses the class of articles based on classes listed for other project templates on the same page. In other words, if WikiProject A has evaluated an article to be C-class and WikiProject B hasn't evaluated the article at all, such a bot task would automatically evaluate the article as C-class for WikiProject B.

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Pop de Negrești

Does anybody have information about this noble family? The article does not seem to verify its notability. The noble status itself could not show the Pops notability, because 5% of the Hungarian were nobles from the 16th century. Borsoka (talk) 18:27, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

ITN candidate for Péter Esterházy

Hi, I've proposed Péter Esterházy as a Recent Death item for the "In the news" section, and would welcome input from you guys both at the candidate page here and of course in the article itself. Thanks! Yakikaki (talk) 12:23, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

Republic Advertising Group, Budapest

This article is being considered for deletion. I wonder if this a notable company in Hungary and if any Hungarian sources exist. K.e.coffman (talk) 01:51, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Invitation to Women in Food and Drink editathon

November 2016
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Orphan maidenhair

I've probably done this wrong, don't read Hungarian, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. ;-) I created Orphan maidenhair. If it's another name for something we already have, please let me know.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 06:07, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

János Bihari szócikk

Kedves Tagok,

ha az ostobaságnak és a rosszindulatnak van határa, vagy ha nincs, sajnos megtestesült részletek a szócikk talk page-n, illetve az ügy előzményeit olavashatjátok az ANI/Edit warringon is. Sürgősen nézzetek rá, mégiscsak a Wikiproject Hungary-hoz tartozik, és ilyet nem lehet hagyni vagy tűrni hogy valaki ne tudjon egy várost egy megyétől megkülönböztetni, és nem szabad hagyni közben mindenkit megvezetve beteg és hipernacionalista eszmék szolgálata nyerjen elismerést. Norden1990 tud az ügyről, csak fogjuk a fejünket, ez már a vég (kezdete?)....(KIENGIR (talk) 10:21, 14 November 2016 (UTC))

WP:SPEAKENGLISH Nigej (talk) 10:38, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

Dear Members,

if the stupidity and the viciousness has a limit or it does not have, unfortunately it has been incarnated, the details can be found in the article's talk page, as well the prelude my be read on the ANI/Edit warring also. Quickly check on it, anyway it is belonging to the Wikiproject Hungary, it just simply cannot be let or tolerate that someone would unable to distuingush a city from a county and also it cannot be let that the service of ill and hypernationalist ideas may have been recognized by misleading everybody. Norden1990 knows about the case, we just shake our heads, this is (the beginning?) of the end....(KIENGIR (talk) 13:53, 14 November 2016 (UTC))

Alexander Faludy

[7] – please help.Xx236 (talk) 11:28, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Notice to participants at this page about adminship

Many participants here create a lot of content, may have to evaluate whether or not a subject is notable, decide if content complies with BLP policy, and much more. Well, these are just some of the skills considered at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship.

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RfC notice: The naming convention for free royal cities in the Kingdom of Hungary

There is an active RfC about the naming convention for free royal cities in the Kingdom of Hungary. Ditinili (talk) 18:56, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

Cannabis in Hungary needs improvement

We have a new article Cannabis in Hungary, but it could really use improvement and expansion, especially from anyone who can read Hungarian sources. With a little polishing, it'd also be really useful to make a translated version for Hungarian Wikipedia since it's a topic of increasing interesting these days. Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 03:01, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Name, split and mergers related to Szabla

It is time to tackle this mess, or at least discuss it. Please see Talk:Szabla#Name. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:10, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Upcoming "420 collaboration"

You are invited to participate in the upcoming "420 collaboration", which is being held from Saturday, April 15 to Sunday, April 30, and especially on April 20, 2017! The purpose of the collaboration, which is being organized by WikiProject Cannabis, is to create and improve cannabis-related content at Wikipedia and other Wikimedia projects in a variety of fields, including: culture, health, hemp, history, medicine, politics, and religion. WikiProject Hungary participants may be particularly interested in the following: Cannabis in Hungary. For more information about this campaign, and to learn how you can help improve Wikipedia, please visit the "420 collaboration" page.

---Another Believer _(Talk) 21:54, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

Szépművészeti Múzeum

Would anyone in Budapest be able to help with any historical documents related to the Szépművészeti Múzeum please? It's about an exhibit of theirs, see Talk:Rearing Horse and Mounted Warrior#sources Soviet destruction. The Kovács source talks about the piece and other works of art during WW2, but not in great detail. She does however cite other sources, but they probably haven't gone very far from Hungary. --Felcotiya (talk) 17:26, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

Protests

Why isn't there an English-language article about the protests in Hungary that have been going for the past several weeks? Charles Essie (talk) 18:31, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

See Central European University#Amendment to Act CCIV of 2011 on National Higher Education in the Hungarian Parliament (2017). --Norden1990 (talk) 19:17, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

It should have a separate article though. Especially since the protests are evolving beyond just this one issue.[8][9] Charles Essie (talk) 15:04, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Peer review: Edict of Torda

All comments are highly appreciated here. Borsoka (talk) 12:05, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

Bánffy vs. Bánfi

There were two notable aristocrat families in the Kingdom of Hungary which bore the Bánffy (or Bánfi) surname ("bánfi" = lit. "son of a Ban"). For standardization and avoiding confusion, I would like to note that I will use the name versions:

• Bánfi de Alsólendva, descendants of the gens Hahót, for the mostly medieval noble family (ext. 1644), as Hungarian medievalists prefer current phonetic spelling.
• Bánffy de Losoncz, descendants of the gens Tomaj through the Losonci family, in Medieval Hungary they were largely marginal, the family reached its peak by the 18-19th century (governors, ministers, house speakers and a Prime Minister).

--Norden1990 (talk) 16:22, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

Labyrinth of Buda Castle

There's been edit warring at this article that forced me to protect it, but the details of the dispute are mostly beyond my comprehension. Do any members of this project want to weigh in at Talk:Labyrinth of Buda Castle#Coordinate error? Deor (talk) 17:53, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

The investigation concerning the „Budavári Labirintus”/”Labyrinth of Buda Castle” case has been ordered against an unknown suspect for the reasonable suspicion of fraud. The Hungarian government (it's representative, DINPI) dissociated itself from the manager's advertising behavior in april, stating in writing that they don't have any control over online search engines and it's informational boxes, therefor they forwarded april's plaint to the Labrynth of Buda Castles' manager.

It also became clear that the manager of the Labyrinth of Buda Castle isn't able to fill the infoboxes with misinforming content without the aid of Wikipedia. After some pause the frauds continue on a broad scale, both on the Hungarian and English site.As they exclude the editor from the editorial tasks in case of so called legal threatening, it stands to reason to exclude those editors of Wikipedia whom are responsible for creating this situation. Furthermore an editor who's independent with respect to the case should get rid of the manipulations of Wikipedia that allows susception and fraud, and renounce the abuse of the trademark "Labyrinth of Buda Castle" / "Budavári Labirintus" ect. --- As the heads of the Labyrinth of Buda Castle (also the owners of the trademark and creating rights) we demand the deletion of the article „Budavári Labirintus”/”Labyrinth of Buda Castle” edited by us, because this is what the frauds are based on, whereas on the English site they either ruthlessly simplify the content or they exclude everyone who stands up for the sake of factual and legitimate content.

Elrendelték a nyomozást a Budai Vár-barlang ügyben, ismeretlen tettessel szemben, csalás megalapozott gyanúja miatt. A Magyar Állam (az azt képviselő DINPI) elhatárolódott az üzemeltetető hirdetési magatartásától, áprilisban írásban közölve azt is, hogy a internetes kereső oldalak információs dobozaihoz neki semmilyen ráhatása nincs, ezért az áprilisi beadványt továbbították a Budai Vár-barlang üzemeltetőjének. Az is bizonyossá vált, hogy a Buda Vár-barlang üzemeltetője wikipédiás segédlet nélkül nem képes az infoboxok megtévesztő tartalommal való kialakításra. Némi szünet után már nyíltan és széles körben tovább folytatódtak a csalások, a magyar és angol oldalon egyaránt.

Amiként ún. „jogi fenyegetés” estén kizárják a szerkesztőt a szerkesztésből, úgy itt az szükségeltetik, hogy mindazon wikipédiás admint zárják ki a szóban forgó ügyből, akik felelősek a helyzet kialakításáért. Továbbá egy, az ügyben független admin számolja fel a megtévesztésre és visszaélésekre alkalmas wikipédiás manipulációkat, felhagyva a „Budavári Labirintus” / „Labyrinth of Buda Castle” védjeggyel való visszaélésekkel stb.

A budavári Labirintus vezetőiként, (illetve a védjegy és szellemi tulajdon jogok jogosultjai) követeljük az általunk megszerkesztett „Budavári Labirintus”/”Labyrinth of Buda Castle” szócikkek törlését, mert ezekre épülnek a csalások, miközben az angol oldalon gátlástalanul csonkolják a tartalmát vagy a magyar és angol oldalon válogatás nélkül minden admint kizárnak, akik a tény- és jogszerű tartalom érdekében léptek fel. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.145.171.117 (talk • contribs) 2017. június 19., 11:43 (UTC)

Talk:Hungary/GA1

Hello, the main Hungary article is under a GA review which has been untouched for two months; the reviewer, who is new to such things, put one simple comment of a few words. Rather than leave the GA nominator waiting for nothing, I am asking if anybody here would have the time and focus to review such a big and important article (best place to ask, I suppose). Anarcho-authoritarian (talk) 22:17, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Missing articles on Hungarian motorways

When reading through articles on Hungarian motorways, I noticed that some articles on Hungarian motorways are missing, most notably the articles on the (planned) M9 and M10 motorways. However, the articles on these motorways exist in Hungarian Wikipedia. In addition to this, I have found that many articles on Hungarian motorways are poor quality overall, lacking sources and being only a few sentences long, despite having better articles in Hungarian Wikipedia.

Are there any Hungarian speakers in this WikiProject that are willing to translate the missing articles, and also expand the existing ones with translations from Hungarian Wikipedia?

Thanks, DraconicDark (talk) 15:23, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Carpathian Basin/Pannonian Basin

For the time being Carpathian Basin redirects to Pannonian Basin, implying that the two areas are identical. First of all, I am not sure that it is true. A book dedicated to the Geology of Hungary ([10]) suggests that the concept of Pannonian Basin is narrower, because significant regions of the Carpathian Basin (for instance, the Transylvanian Basin) are not included. Secondly, I understand that Pannonian Basin is a geological concept, while the concept of Carpathian Basin is also used by archaeologists, historians, geographers, anthropologists (I refer to the following lists: [11] [12]). What do you think? Borsoka (talk) 14:11, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Name and nationality of Maurice Benyovszky

Please see Talk:Maurice Benyovszky for relevant discussions. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:35, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Ilona Tóth

Please write the page, sources exist almost exclusively in Hungarian.Xx236 (talk) 10:14, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

• There existed 3 Ilonas, I mean the one killed in 1957.Xx236 (talk) 10:16, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Town with county rights

I propose renaming the article "Town with county rights" to "Statutory city (Hungary)", in accordance with Czech, Austrian and more analog articles. - Hrebicek (talk) 15:59, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

I have never seen them being referred to as statutory cities in English, only by the name above and as urban counties. Do you have sources to back your proposal? We are not supposed to name things here at Wikipedia, only document what's otherwise out there. – Máté (talk) 05:20, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

Szekesfehervar in Hungary has the rights of a county, and Brno in the Czech Republic is a “statutory city” in "Local Welfare Policy Making in European Cities". Xx236 (talk) 09:23, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Women in Red November contest open to all

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Help needed at Gender neutrality in genderless languages

Your assistance is requested at Gender neutrality in genderless languages.

There is an entire section on Hungarian there, and it is entirely unsourced. A section of it had been tagged {{citation needed}} for a year, and after no one provided a reference, someone has removed a portion a portion of it. I believe the removed portion was essentially correct in substance and should be restored, but the editor is within bounds to challenge and remove any unsourced material. A bigger problem, is that the entire remaining content of that section is also unsourced, and thus subject to deletion at any time.

If you could have a look at the Hungarian section there, and provide some sources for that section (rewriting anything that needs to be), that would be great. If you can readd the deleted material along with a source as well, that would be even better. Thanks, 07:36, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

Disambiguation links on pages tagged by this wikiproject

Wikipedia has many thousands of wikilinks which point to disambiguation pages. It would be useful to readers if these links directed them to the specific pages of interest, rather than making them search through a list. Members of WikiProject Disambiguation have been working on this and the total number is now below 20,000 for the first time. Some of these links require specialist knowledge of the topics concerned and therefore it would be great if you could help in your area of expertise.

A list of the relevant links on pages which fall within the remit of this wikiproject can be found at http://69.142.160.183/~dispenser/cgi-bin/topic_points.py?banner=WikiProject_Hungary

Please take a few minutes to help make these more useful to our readers.— Rod ^talk 16:00, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

Talk:Hungary/GA3

Is anyone interested in working with feedback to get the country article to GA? Both the original nominator and I got busy and have neglected it for a while, and now that I have time to work with this again, I need to close the review in relatively short order. If no one's interested, it's not going to pass, since it currently needs work. Jclemens (talk) 02:56, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Proposal to split History of Hungary before the Hungarian Conquest

Please add your comments in here. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:01, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Battle of Mohi

There is an ongoing dispute on the talk page about the casualties of the battle of Mohi. Any input is greatly appreciated. Fakirbakir (talk) 18:44, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Nobility in medieval Kingdom of Hungary

Hello, I'm here to ask for help reaching consensus at Talk:Conditional noble which concerns certain historical categories of Hungarian nobility including egyházi nemesek and tízlándzsások. I was asked in for a WP:Third opinion, but there is still disagreement and more eyes would be helpful. Thank you. FrankP (talk) 17:23, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

Paprikas, Paprikáš, Paprikaš etc

Hello – Paprikas could benefit from an expert please.

• Paprikas (no diacritics) used to redirect to Chicken paprikash but I've converted it into a disambiguation page.
• Paprikás redirects to Chicken paprikash.
• Paprikáš redirects to Goulash.
• Paprikaš redirects to Pörkölt.
• Paprikash redirects to Goulash#Paprikás but that section doesn't exist.

Are those diacritics and redirects correct, or would it be better to redirect them all to the dab page Paprikas? Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 07:09, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

There is no s-caron character (š) in the Hungarian alphabet. (There is also no 'sh' consonant combination in Hungarian, either, except for foreign loanwords, or local compounds like Mencshely where the 's' is not attached to the 'h' but to the 'c'.) All of the redirects are wrong, imho, because Paprikás is a type of paprika base or stewing sauce, and does not mean any of those things. You could have mushroom paprikas or Tempeh paprikas. All of them should redirect to the same place, probably to the disambig page. (But the disambig page is problematic as well, because Paprikas doesn't mean Goulash or Pörkölt; that would be like having a disambig page for "Gin" which has entries for "Martini", "Tom Collins", and "Gimlet" just because those drinks have gin in them, but that's not what a disambig page is about.} So, perhaps they could redirect to Chicken paprikash, although it would be better if that article had a separate section about the "paprikas" base as a separate section, that could be the target of all of these links. Mathglot (talk) 09:26, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

Perhaps it would make more sense if Chicken paprikash redirected to an article at Paprikás that explains the difference. There's very little at Chicken paprikash about chicken at the moment anyway. - Themightyquill (talk) 07:29, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

No; Chicken paprikash is the standard name for it; Paprikás is ambiguous, and only means "Chicken paprikash" in context, in the same way that "pass the beans" only means "lima beans" when those are the only beans on the table. If Chicken paprikash has very little about chicken, that's the fault of the article content, and doesn't mean the title is incorrect or needs to redirect. Mathglot (talk) 09:41, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for your help @Mathglot: and @Themightyquill:. I have retargetted all the redirects above to Chicken paprikash, and redirected the disambiguation page there too because of the reasons Mathglot laid out. I have placed a narrative hatnote at Chicken paprikash. Improvements are welcome! Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 12:03, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

Focus on Hungary at Women in Red

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Wiki4MediaFreedom

Hi. If you have time, please take a look on meta at this page m:Wiki4MediaFreedom contest. It's an event organized by Rossella Vignola (OBC), there is a list of articles to improve also on English wikipedia.--Alexmar983 (talk) 20:31, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

WikiProject collaboration notice from the Portals WikiProject

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Ikarus article

Hey! I just recently finished completely rewriting the Ikarus (Hungarian company) article from scratch. Could someone rate it on quality and importance level? :) --MediKron (talk) 17:26, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Featured Article Review listing for Rudolf Vrba

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Good Article Review of Raoul Wallenberg

Raoul Wallenberg, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Catrìona (talk) 23:33, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

AfD of Merítés Prize

Merítés Prize has recently been nominated for deletion, and it is believed that editors familiar with Hungarian-language sources may be able to help identify reliable coverage. MarginalCost (talk) 15:07, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

RfC on election/referendum naming format

An RfC on moving the year from the end to the start of article titles (e.g. South African general election, 2019 to 2019 South African general election) has been reopened for further comment, including on whether a bot could be used move the articles if it closed in favour of the change: Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (government and legislation)#Proposed change to election/referendum naming format. Cheers, Number 57 15:36, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Hungarian museums on the List of music museums

Hi there, I have introduced the List of music museums, and a number of Hungarian museums are written in Dutch but not in English (nor in Hungarian). Are there users at this project that like to write these two articles? When you make use of references, I will translate these articles to Dutch language too. :-) Best regards, Ymnes (talk) 17:23, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

In order to not only ask, but to give something back as well, I have written an article for your project in return: Egri Road Beatles Múzeum. Happy editing! Ymnes (talk) 17:58, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Hungarian Music Awards

Hello there,

I translated the English article about the Hungarian Music Awards into German. On the official homepage of the awards is an archive with all winners and nominees since 1993. I would like to ask if someone is able to translate these categories for me as I am not speaking any Hungarian. I would really appreciate if someone would help me out. --Goroth (talk) 21:29, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

"Magyaron"

Hi,

please check on the newly created article Magyaron. The user initated in other Hungary-related articles massive problematic changes without consensus, so I propose to check them, more eyes see more...(KIENGIR (talk) 12:03, 28 October 2018 (UTC))

The word Magyaron does not even exist in the English language, or at least I could not find it with a Google search. If so, why does this article even exist in English??? I propose that we delete it. If that would require an Admin, I could ask for Amin Help. Your thoughts KIENGIR? Peter K Burian (talk) 20:28, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Peter K Burian,

agree and on the article's talk page more of us expressed similar concerns, anyway the article is citing extremist propaganda sites in the further reading including contents of the current Hungarian-Ukrainian relations and if I wanted to clarify that that time Rusyns would be the subject and not Ukrainians, I was reverted and I did not do any further edit until similar concerns would not be resolved, since the article would make the impression Hungarians did what they did against Ukrainians (though in fact just Hungarians did not know they are dealing with Ukrainians...pfff).(KIENGIR (talk) 20:35, 13 January 2019 (UTC))

I really do not want to get into a discussion of the content; if the article should not exist in the English language Wikipedia, because the term does not exist in English, it should be deleted solely for that reason. I will ask an Admin for Help because I believe it requires that level of authority. There are so few editors working on that article (except the one who posted it, that there is no method to get a consensus. Peter K Burian (talk) 20:42, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Sure.(KIENGIR (talk) 20:46, 13 January 2019 (UTC))

The way to start is not to ask an admin, but with WP:AFD, unless you think it meets one of the speedy deletion criteria (but that’s unlikely). See WP:DELETE for the policy, and WP:AFDHOWTO for what to do next. Mathglot (talk) 09:19, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

History of Hungary before the Hungarian Conquest

Please look on this Talk:History of Hungary before the Hungarian Conquest#Splitting this article discussion.(KIENGIR (talk) 14:59, 17 February 2019 (UTC))

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Muraköz/Medimurje

Dear members,

please look on the discussion in the Triune Kingdom of Croatia concerning the subject. Especially, the belonging(s) between 1848–1861 (recognized not just by Croatians, but under the legal framework of the Austrian Empire and/or the Kings approval.

(recently noticed in many maps the territorys is mistakenly shown as part of Croatia at some timelines, some were corrected, some not, some is debated. Also Wikiproject Croatia was informed. Thank You(KIENGIR (talk) 21:14, 11 March 2019 (UTC))

Hungarian nationalism

This stub is about very important subject matter and needs to be expanded. Charles Essie (talk) 21:06, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Kodály's Dances of Galánta: school use?

The final sentence of the current article on Kodály's Dances of Galánta reads: "Dances of Galanta is now often used by schools for study purposes." Perhaps it could be clarified which schools (general? musical?) and what type of study (musical? historical? ethnological?) are meant by this statement. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.144.202.254 (talk) 22:58, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

Hungarian Turanism

Dear all,

regarding in the article on the subject a dispute arose that one of the subjects also brought to my talk page. Regarding the claims, I tried to figure out something in the middle, but advised more supervision from here. Now I initiate that, after the full revert happened (the two users have been clashing also earlier in that page). So, more opinions are needed, what is the right to be done?(KIENGIR (talk) 21:37, 18 May 2019 (UTC))

Re: Independent reference required for a Hungarian Railways Page ..

Hi – will this suffice – as it's all I can find from google & I'm located in NZ Cheers. re: Talk:Pálházi State Forest Railway#is this a good enough "independent" reference for the page..

re (TALK on that page): [quote] is this a good enough "independent" reference for the page..[edit]

[1] Cheers..

122.57.110.144 (talk) 12:18, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

1.^ http://www.eszakerdo.hu/angol/menu/erdvinfo_eng.html

[unquote]

It also said come to this project page – to add comments into.. So there's the link-back..

122.57.110.144 (talk) 12:22, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

Input required at Talk:Nikola Šubić Zrinski#Real name

Interested and experienced editors of this WikiProject might want to see the dispute at Talk:Nikola Šubić Zrinski#Real name and give their input. Regards SoWhy 15:10, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

How did Sarolta Steinberger survive World War II?

I just finished reading the article on Sarolta Steinberger as part of a course I'm taking on the Women's Suffrage Movement. One of Steinberger's acquaintances, Eugenia Meller, was imprisoned and likely died during the war, but it seems Steinberger survived. I would like to know more about Steinberger's life during and after World War II. For example, how did she survive the war? Did a non-Jewish family hide Steinberger from the Nazis? Did she leave the country for a while to escape imprisonment?

United States Suffrage Movement leader Carrie Chapman Catt refused to sign an affidavit on Steinberger's behalf (which, had she signed it, might have led to Steinberger's emigration to the United States as a refugee), so did Steinberger go to a different country to escape persecution?

ChellyWood (talk) 12:59, 14 July 2019 (UTC)Chelly Wood

References

Hazai

Hi, would anybody like to venture some IPA for that one? Thanks! Dr. Vogel (talk) 10:51, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Babeș-Bolyai University -Foundation date

Please see talk.(KIENGIR (talk) 19:34, 30 July 2019 (UTC))

Gábor Kubatov

Please see talk page, one editor added Azerbaijani origin because of his father backed by two sources in my talk page, however, it is known he stated Bunjevci origin on the paternal side...what to do, any further input or information?(KIENGIR (talk) 19:07, 31 July 2019 (UTC))

Battle of Transylvania

Dear all,

an editor recently contributed a lot to the article in the subject and requesting peer review, spell checking, completion, etc. to have it as good as possible ([13]). Anyone who may do or initiate these are welcome.(KIENGIR (talk) 22:36, 16 August 2019 (UTC))

Responsibility for the Holocaust

Dear All,

please check the issue in the talk, the last two recent entries, have a participation in the issue. Thank You(KIENGIR (talk) 00:02, 23 August 2019 (UTC))

Ultranationalism

Please, se the talk I initiated. However, the concerning user just recently altered ([14]) his main page, where he openly advertized his radical left views and involvement on politics, did a huge amount of edits in political articles that are problematic with POV issues, since per WP:NPOV anyway he should not really engage editing such articles being involved...(KIENGIR (talk) 09:46, 10 September 2019 (UTC))

Request for information on WP1.0 web tool

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Locality categorization by historical subdivisions

FYI

 – Pointer to relevant discussion elsewhere.

Your input about the categorization of settlements is requested at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#RfC: Locality categorization by historical subdivisions. Thank you, Ejgreen77 (talk) 11:34, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Map of historic Hungarian presence in Vojvodina

Hi everyone! I have recently decided that I will be working on a map depicting the historical presence of Hungarians in Voivodina. I would like to ask you guys for reliable sources to contribute to this map. N.Hoxha (talk) 20:46, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi! I would suggest that you wait for 2021 Serbian census. This is a good work – [15] I shall keep close attention to your map, as it interests me. Sadkσ (talk is cheap) 11:38, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Sure why not, as long as you don't portray disruptive behavior and want to cooperate in a constructive way. Is there any free example of the source you provided? N.Hoxha (talk) 01:10, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Franz Liszt / double article

Franz Liszt and Life of Franz Liszt: two articles, same person, similar content, should be merged together. Akela (talk) 19:07, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Tunde Hando

The last part of the article Tunde Hando has been written in an obscure and arcane style. Please assist by amending the flurry of grammatical errors. Ppt2003 (talk) 13:37, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

Request for comment in this WikiProject

If you are interested, there is a request for comment about an article in this WikiProject. Talk:Tripartite Pact#Request for comment: infobox. AnomalousAtom (talk) 10:41, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Ferenc Nagy

Hello, all.

I have recently made a series of extensive edits on the Ferenc Nagy page, and am wondering whether it could be updated from stub-class and what its current class would be. Thanks for considering. ImperatorPublius (talk) 14:54, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Request for help in evaluating Hungarian Wikipedia article

Several years ago, finding that a relatively new user had attempted to write an article on a Hungarian academic of the last century who I am mildly interested in (he wrote what I considered a ground-breaking monograph on ancient Greek mathematics) but, quite rightly as it turned out, had the article speedy-deleted, I asked the relevant administrator to userfy the article to me and attempted to write the article myself. Unfortunately, I rapidly determined that I could then only find one accessible reliable source in English or any other language I could read, and postponed any attempt to try completing the article until I could find more sources. For information, the incomplete draft is at User:PWilkinson/Arpad Szabo.

A few days ago, I found out that Hungarian Wikipedia had an article on the academic concerned, at hu:Szabó Árpád (klasszika-filológus). As I have absolutely no reading ability in Hungarian, all I could do was to Google Translate the article, confirm that it was about the individual I am interested in, see that it seemed to contain quite a lot of information that would strongly suggest notability, and no inline citations but apparently a list of several sources, all fairly obviously in Hungarian.

I left things there, as I am not such a fool as to believe that I would be able to evaluate (or even make much sense of) Hungarian sources when armed only with Google Translate, but would be grateful if there is any Hungarian speaker here who could look at the article, at least briefly check its sources for likely reliability, and let me know whether it would be worth requesting a translation (or at least some kind of paraphrase) of the article which would meet English Wikipedia standards.

Thanks in advance for your help. PWilkinson (talk) 16:06, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

@PWilkinson: hi, I checked the article in huwiki, and I confirm that the sources are reliable. I don't know why the article was deleted, as the subject is clearly notable; he was a member of the Hungarian Academy of Science, received the Széchenyi Prize, founded the Hungarian Institute of the History of Science, taught at three very prestigious universities, translated Herodotus, Plato and Tacitus among others, overall had a pretty impressive career. I occasionally check the Hungary-related deletion requests but this article wasn't among them, otherwise I'm sure it would've been saved. Thank you for your interest in this topic, I brought the article to the attention of the Hungarian editors. – Alensha ^talk 19:18, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

@PWilkinson: I am willing to work on this, are you okay with me expanding your user subpage? and then you can move it to main namespace and preserve its history. Teemeah ^{편지 (letter)} 21:45, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

@Teemeah: Thanks, I'm absolutely okay with you expanding my user subpage – any further correspondence on this is probably best carried on on my user talk page. Meanwhile, at some point before it is moved into main namespace, the title should probably be amended to allow for the fact that there now seem to be at least two other people called Árpád Szabó with articles on English Wikipedia. In fact, if I had ever got back to work on my draft, I would probably have altered it to Árpád Szabó (classicist), and there is already a redlink from Imre Lakatos to this title (added by me a few years ago) – but if you think something else would be better, I'm probably willing to go along with it. By the way, a publicly available (and apparently authorised) copy of my one English-language source is at [16] – there is more to be got from it than I used, but as it specifically focuses on Szabó's relationship with Lakatos, other sources are obviously needed to detail the rest of Szabó's life and work. PWilkinson (talk) 13:09, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

Kincsem

Over at the horse racing project, we identified Kincsem as a vital article because of her undefeated record and overall importance in racing history. With the help of a Hungarian speaking expert on the topic, we recently made a massive improvement that you might want to add to your project listing. And if anyone else wants to take a look and make suggestions, I would appreciate. I'd like to get this to GA status ideally. Jlvsclrk (talk) 23:01, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

Need input

I am in a dispute with an editor. He refuses to consider Fidesz and Horthy as nationalists despite me doing extensive research on if they are or not. I have looked up dozens of sources and he still refuses to concede. What do others have to say?Fenetrejones (talk) 00:55, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

It is not really good if you try to mislead the community, despite everything has been explained which you ignore to understand, the discussion is not necessarily about if the subject would be a nationalist per se, but something else.(KIENGIR (talk) 19:18, 13 December 2020 (UTC))

No, you ignore to understand the concept. Nationalism is nationalism regardless of who does it and how it is established. Your "Traditional Hungarian Nationalism" is literally just nationalism in a different variant. Nationalism is not an exclusive far right thing. On top of that, I have literally cited that they are nationalists with multiple sources that are seen credible on wikipedia, so the only one who is "misleading" but more like cherry picking a definition is you.Fenetrejones (talk) 01:48, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

And you are trying to segregate a category that is not meant for one type of people so stop saying mislead.Fenetrejones (talk) 01:51, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

I don't ignore anything, but you still continue non-understanding. Yes a different variant which is attributed to the far-right, unlike simple nationalism. Hence, your last two sentences are straw man argumentation.(KIENGIR (talk) 02:24, 16 December 2020 (UTC))

Draft Article: Hugo Sonyi

Need help with this, just submitted a new draft for review

User:Iynos/sandbox

Iynos (talk) 16:34, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Iynos (talk • contribs) 19:55, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Controversy on Szekely language

You can work on it to develop it. Magysze (talk) 18:08, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

"Controversy on Szekely language" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Controversy on Szekely language. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 February 16#Controversy on Szekely language until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. KIENGIR (talk) 00:28, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

RFC

There is a Request for Comments open at Talk:Romani people in Hungary#RFC on Hungarian Romani . Robert McClenon (talk) 18:25, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Talk:Hungarian–Czechoslovak War

Please come to discuss.(KIENGIR (talk) 22:07, 15 March 2021 (UTC))

Meritorious Artist of Hungary?

While stub-sorting Anna Czóbel I corrected the spelling of the red link Meritorius Artist of Hungary to Meritorious Artist of Hungary but it is still a red link. I see there are two categories: Category:Merited artists of the Republic of Hungary and Category:Artists of Merit of the Hungarian People's Republic: are these identical? If so, they need to be combined. If not, could someone annotate the categories to make it clear which of them, if either, relates to "Meritorious Artist..."? I've tried to look at the Hungarian language wikipedia but just got more confused. I'll make a similar post at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Awards. PamD 19:14, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi @PamD:,

Thank you for your edits. The categories are not identical, one is merited in the Hungarian People's Republic, the other in present-day Hungary. Do you think the current naming is not obvious and we should expand by a description with wikilinks?(KIENGIR (talk) 22:30, 15 March 2021 (UTC))

@KIENGIR: Thanks. I should have noticed the difference: apologies for my insensitivity to Hungarian history. But if either version of the award is important enough to have a category, then I suggest there should be an article on it or them, linked from Merited Artist, and the category definition pages should indicate this and link to the appropriate article. It's very confusing for someone unfamiliar with these awards.mIf the awards are not notable enough to merit an article, then the categories should probably be deleted. Thanks. PamD 08:52, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

I'm not sure whether this is the award? (Are "worthy" and "meritorious" or "of merit" the same thing?). PamD 09:02, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

@PamD:,

About creating new articles, etc. please discuss with @Norden1990:, he is more experienced in this. The last hu wikilink is a third, different award, but similar. "Kiváló" = (cca. outstanding), "érdemes" = (cca. meritorious), however the English name of the categories not really make the difference visible (just the era per country official name).(KIENGIR (talk) 09:29, 16 March 2021 (UTC))

Women in Red Europe contest

After successfully completing our Asia and Africa contests over the past six months, we now welcome contributions to our Women in Europe contest which runs for three separate months from April to June 2021. To qualify for the contest, articles have to contain at least 160 words or 1,000 characters of running text and participants need to be members of Women in Red. We look forward to lots of new biographies of women from Hungary.--Ipigott (talk) 06:40, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Highest railway in Hungary?

If you know the answer, make sure to add it to relevant wiki pages, especially to List of highest railways by country. Thanks! Zach (Talk) 21:22, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Laszlo Bathory

There is a name request to move article name Laszlo Bathory to László Báthory, who was the first translator of the Bible, into Hungarian on the subject's talkpage. Feel free to share your opinion. --Norden1990 (talk) 07:47, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Romanian name of Nyíregyháza?

A supposed Romanian name of Nyíregyháza, Mestecănești, can be found on different places on the internet, including Google Maps, some Romanian websites and on Wikipedia articles in some languages, including English until not too long ago. It's nothing recent, originating from at least 2007 – here you can see a user of Romanian Wikipedia asking about the origin of another variant that appeared on ro.wikipedia, Mestecăniș.

The problem is that I haven't found any historical source referring to this name. Yet, somehow, it's so widespread that it's even used on Google Maps. The name Nyíregyháza comes from nyír, the Hungarian word for "birch". So does the German name Birkenkirchen (from Brike), as well as the supposed Romanian name – mesteacăn is Romanian for "birch". The name, however, looks like a recent creation, since Romanian variants of Hungarian toponyms are always similar-sounding: Debrecen → Debrețin, Békéscsaba → Bichișciaba, Gyula → Giula etc. Also, Mestecănești contains the -ești suffix, typical for places in Wallachia and Moldavia, but rare in Transylvania.

Does anyone know how this name came into being and whether there are reliable sources on it? I've asked the same question on WikiProject:Romania. Cheers! Lupishor (talk) 19:26, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Duplicate posting; please follow the link. Mathglot (talk) 08:54, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Moved to WT:Romania § Romanian name of Nyíregyháza, Hungary?

Vilmos Perlrott-Csaba

Might this article enjoy having an English language sibling? hu:Perlrott-Csaba Vilmos 80.3.105.120 (talk) 14:39, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

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Notice of Featured Article Review

I have nominated Hungarian Revolution of 1956 for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Bumbubookworm (talk) 12:51, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Peer review requested

I would highly appreciate all comments at Wikipedia:Peer review/Kingdom of Hungary (1000–1301)/archive3. Borsoka (talk) 02:58, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

Request for FAC reviews

The Edict of Torda, the first law to sanction the existence of a radical denomination in Europe, is currently a FA candidate and it needs comprehensive reviews. Thank you for your time and work. Borsoka (talk) 03:49, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

Merge discussion

There's a merge proposal here that may be of interest to members of this project. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 13:05, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Treaty of Trianon, Trianon Syndrome

• The Treaty of Trianon does not inform about current Hungarian policy.
• Nothing about the Trianon Museum.
• The Trianon memorials are shown, but not mentioned in the text.
• Gábor Koltay has produced documentaries about the Treaty, probably three of them. Not mentioned.
• The Treaty of Trianon does not inform about Trianon Syndrome, it lists it in 'See also' among many subjects.
• The Trianon Syndrome is very short. Nothing about Trianon Syndrome in popular culture. Xx236 (talk) 09:13, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

• There's also an article on Hungarian irredentism which might be a suitable place for some of these topics. Nigej (talk) 12:58, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Ykou are right. But connections between the three articles are not obvious for a new reader. A link to 'Hungarian irredentism' is hidden in 'Treaty of Trianon'. Ni picture of a Trianon memorial, eg. the one with a map.Xx236 (talk) 08:39, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Holocaust denial

Two lines about Hungary, accuses Horthy ignoring German occupation of Hungary. I do not know the subject, but the 'source' (Smithsonian) is ignorant.Xx236 (talk) 13:16, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Holocaust

The Jewish residents of Szikszo were rounded up by the Nazis in the spring of 1944, prior to the Russian invasion. They were transported to Auschwitz and the majority were murdered in the gas chambers upon arrival. Only a few survived. After liberation a few survivors returned to Szikso, seeking any surviving relatives. They found only that their property,including their homes, had been confiscated by their neighbors. This information is from the testimony of the few Jewish residents who survived Auschwitz.

In the early 2000s, a visit to the Jewish Cemetery in Szikszo evidenced expected neglect. In 2014 the cemetery was vandalized and defaced due to continuing antisemitism.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by HungarianRefugee (talk • contribs) 16:11, 26 February 2022 (UTC) 

User script to detect unreliable sources

Main page: User:Headbomb/unreliable

I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like

• John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14. (John Smith "[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14.)

and turns it into something like

• John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.

It will work on a variety of links, including those from {{cite web}}, {{cite journal}} and {{doi}}.

The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.

Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.

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Requested move at Talk:Empress Elisabeth of Austria#Requested move 1 May 2022

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Empress Elisabeth of Austria#Requested move 1 May 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ASUKITE 04:52, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Help on Eastern European languages

Hello!

Our of boredom, I am trying to identify the languages of inscriptions on a fountain located in central Budapest. I could easily identify some languages such as Hebrew, Armenian, Russian, English, French, Spanish etc. but I have trouble with some, mostly Slavic, languages which I do not speak myself. I guess that they must include Czech (or Slovak), Slovene, Croatian/Serbian/Bosniak, Macedonian, Bulgarian and/or maybe others.

Translations of 'The place is ours':

• Trg je naš / Площадьт е наш (pretty sure that's Bulgarian) / Naš trg / Nas trg / [unreadable] naše je námestie

Translations of 'Non potable water':

• Водата не е за пиене / Voda ni pitna / Непитна вода / Nepitná voda / Nepitka voda / Voda nije za piće

Translations of 'Open lawn':

• Ходенето по тревата е разрешено / Dozvoljeno je gaziti (ǧaziti?) po travi / Dozvoljeno gaženje trave

I also do not manage to identify the language in 3 other inscriptions for which glossaries easily available online did not help. Could it be Romani?

• Náj lasó ráji / Ámáro szi o placo / Pécsár saj ustarén

Is anyone here able to tell which is which? Note that many inscriptions (such as in French and Greek) have spelling mistakes and inconsistent respect of diacritics.

Pictures of the fountain:

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Place Clichy (talk) 15:55, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Help with Hungarian handball and basketball player

There is an Afd of Ferenc Velkei a Hungarian handball and basketball player.

Could somebody with access to arcanum look at the following search results: TEXT=((Velkei OR Velkey) AND (Kézilabda OR Kosárlabda)) DATE=(1930-01-01--1940-01-01)?

Thank you. 🤾‍♂️ Malo95 (talk) 20:50, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Origin of Hungarians

I started a conversation earlier whitout any result, and the user write always "Hungarians have Asian origin" and he reverted my modification. Could you check this? Because this thing is an important topics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hungarian_conquest_of_the_Carpathian_Basin&diff=1101448771&oldid=1100214097

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Magyar_tribes&diff=prev&oldid=1101448390

I wrote the details on the talk page:

Talk:Hungarian conquest of the Carpathian Basin

I wrote here the details also:

I think this is very simple and not exactly correct to say "Hungarians have Asian origin", because the situation is more complicated, the old Hungarian tribes were not homogeneousan folks, they had not only Asian origin, they had European-Asian mix, and the European component were more dominant. Even we can see this info in the linked source in the pdf link:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/sdfe/reader/pii/S0960982222007321/pdf

https://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(22)00732-1

"Conquering Hungarians had Ugric ancestry and later admixed with Sarmatians and Huns"

Huns = European Huns

"Hun period samples implies significant Sarmatian influence on European Huns"

"Aside from the immigrant core groups, we identified that the majority of the individuals from each period were local residents harboring “native European” ancestry."

"Most individuals in the study had local European ancestry"

"main admixture sources of Conq_Asia_Core1 were ancient European populations and ancestors of modern Nganasans (Data S6C). The most likely direct source of the European genomes could be Steppe_MLBA populations, as these distributed European ancestry throughout of the Steppe"

"also cluster together with Anatolian and European farmers"

The Ugric group and Sarmatians were Europeans

Other studies confirmed this also:

According to these genetic studies, the vast majority of old Hungarians were Europids. Even a lot of Hungarian conquerors had blue eyes, light brown, red and blonde hair:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-53105-5/figures/4

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-53105-5

Only: 20% is east Eurasian:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-53105-5/figures/2

DNA Asian Huns:

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00439-020-02209-4

“Our findings confirmed that the Xiongnu had a strongly admixed mitochondrial and Y-chromosome gene pools and revealed a significant western component in the Xiongnu group studied...”

“We propose Scytho-Siberians as ancestors of the Xiongnu and Huns as their descendants.”

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-018-0094-2

Damgaard et al. 2018, pp. 369–371. "Scythians admixed with the eastern steppe nomads who formed the Xiongnu confederations, and moved westward in about the second or third century BC, forming the Hun traditions in the fourth–fifth century AD... We find that the Huns have increased shared drift with West Eurasians compared to the Xiongnu... Overall, our data show that the Xiongnu confederation was genetically heterogeneous, and that the Huns emerged following minor male-driven East Asian gene flow into the preceding Sakas that they invaded."

Szolad, there is a Necropolis in Hungary at Lake Balaton. Genetics found the same genetic sample from a Bronze Age individual like the royal Hungarian Arpad dynasty has:

https://indo-european.eu/2020/10/longobards-from-scandinavia-and-the-ural-altaic-arpad-lineage

My understanding: Scythian tribes moved east, archeologists found a lot of blonde mummies in the Tarim Basin in Eastern China.

https://www.google.com/search?q=tarim+mummies&client=opera&hs=Ocr&tbm=isch&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjGy-Xlk6P5AhVB8LsIHWcOAkAQ_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=1920&bih=970&dpr=1

https://www.google.com/search?q=siberian+ice+lady&client=opera&hs=m0W&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjcjIjTlKP5AhXWh_0HHXRrBwQQ_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=1920&bih=970&dpr=1

The Asian Scythians played a key role in the formation of the Asian Hun Empire. The predominantly European-looking Asian Scythians merged with the local population in East Asia and southern Siberia, followed by other European Sarmatians during the Xiongnu period, later Alan elements. The Asian Hun Empire had a civil war and the losing Xiongnu tribes belonged largely to the Europid anthropological type who were displaced to Central Asia in the first century. Expanding to the west they integrated the related Sarmatian tribes and mixed with Sakas (Royal Scythians), and then they suddenly emerged as European Huns. Genetic continuity is detected between Xiongnus and European Huns.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8005002/

"The haplogroup composition of the commoner population markedly differs from that of the elite, and, in contrast to the elite, commoners cluster with European populations."

"the Conqueror elite population originated from an admixture of Asian and European groups on the Pontic steppe."

"suggesting that people with local European origin dominated the ConqC population."

"In anthropological studies, 98 men, 82 women, 74 children (inf I–II), and 20 young (juvenile) individuals have been distinguished; thus there is a male surplus of adults. Taxonomic analysis revealed a predominance of Europeans; Mongoloid traits were observed in four individuals."

"265 individuals were determined, of whom 98 belonged to sub-adult and 162 to adult categories. Based on the skulls suitable for taxonomic studies, the series shows European characteristics with the presence of Cromagnoid and Nordoid elements." OrionNimrod (talk) OrionNimrod (talk) 16:25, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

FAR notice

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Draft article on Artavazd Peleshyan

Please would a Hungarian-speaking editor assess the abandoned draft at User:Gabor.illes.tutajos/sandbox? This is a translation into Hungarian about Artavazd Peleshyan, an Armenian filmmaker. Please use it in Hungarian Wikipedia if it is any good, then blank the user page as WP:STALEDRAFT. – Fayenatic London 11:49, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

The Idoru

Hello, anyone with knowledge of reliable Hungarian entertainment news sources, and how to search through them, might consider participating at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Idoru. Thanks. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 20:08, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

The deletion nomination for that band's article has now been withdrawn, but the article itself (The Idoru) still needs massive help from any Hungary expert that would like to contribute. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 13:37, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

CfR Category:Hungarian communities in Slovakia

This CfR is relevant to this WikiProject. Anyone interested can participate at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 March 27#Category:Hungarian communities in Slovakia. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 23:14, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Project-independent quality assessments

Quality assessments by Wikipedia editors rate articles in terms of completeness, organization, prose quality, sourcing, etc. Most wikiprojects follow the general guidelines at Wikipedia:Content assessment, but some have specialized assessment guidelines. A recent Village pump proposal was approved and has been implemented to add a |class= parameter to {{WikiProject banner shell}}, which can display a general quality assessment for an article, and to let project banner templates "inherit" this assessment.

No action is required if your wikiproject follows the standard assessment approach. Over time, quality assessments will be migrated up to {{WikiProject banner shell}}, and your project banner will automatically "inherit" any changes to the general assessments for the purpose of assigning categories.

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Good article reassessment for Battle of Baia

Battle of Baia has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Hog Farm _Talk 21:43, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

• Delist: The article is quite biased. It does not present the Hungarian viewpoint only the Romanian one. Many times it also rewritten "decisive Moldavian victory", which is nonsense, because it is not "a decisive victory" when the Hungarian army move back home after the battle, morover the king was wounded, the Moldavian army did not pursuit the Hungarian one, and when Matthias was in Transylvania he got begging letter from Stephen according to contemporary sources, and Stephen became his vassal. At least 6 contemporary Hungarian sources (what I know) from the court of King Matthias claim that the battle was Hungarian victory and the attacker Moldavians were killed and fleed (I presented quotes from original sources in the talk page above). Hungarian historiopraphy claim many things depend on historians: it was Hungarian victory, Stephen's propaganda boosted with "victory of Moldavians", it was a draw, etc, none of them presented in the article. It is also biased that the article use image from a Hungarian chronicle which say it was Hungarian victory, which means using image from the book is ok but using the content is not ok, strange. OrionNimrod (talk) 11:52, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

Removing Hungarian related contents and strange modifications on Hungarian related articles

Volgabulgari started to defacing or added strange things on many Hungarian related contents with rude comments, he engaged in edit war, first I started to discuss with him, then he also claimed on other user's talk page that "Hungarian users keep violating Turkic pages" if reverting his edits, his Hungarian related unexplained-unsourced-unreasonable content removals: User talk:Beshogur#Hungarian reverts

However I see Hungarian or Hungarian related topics not really "only Turkic articles":

• [1] Hungarian prehistory If he does not like it, if it is true or not true, but vast amount of old sources states this,

• [2] Cumans I restored when he unreasonably removed a huge Hungarian related content. He said that as reason of removal [17] "I don't think anyone wants to read too long Hungarian history in Cuman page" However we have long history of Cuman-Hungarian events, battles, and about Cumans who settled in Hungary. For example Britannica does not agree with him when it writes about many the Cuman-Hungarian things: https://www.britannica.com/topic/Cuman

• [3] He made edit war and deny that the Kuns the settled Cumans in Hungary are related to Cumans.

• [4] Onogurs He removed Hungarian contents from here, however many historians find connection with Hungarians and Onogurs who settled in the Carpathian basin after the Avars.

• [5] Eastern Hungarians He name it "pseudosciency" Of course he is unable to show any reliable academic source for his claim Talk:Eastern Hungarians#Location

• 6 Kuns He named the Kuns in Hungary as "Hungarian Tatars" Talk:Kuns However "Hungarian Tatars" historical term does not exist, Kuns means Cumans in Hungarian not Tatars.

• [6]

OrionNimrod (talk) 14:02, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello, I did not notice you were frigle about my rude comments. I apologize.

[1] Exact nature of this connection is still a matter of debate among scholars. It is ineed written but potraying Hungarians as "Scythians and Huns" due to this chronicles is false.

Hungarian chronicles do suggest a connection between the Magyars and the Scythians and Huns. Important to note that these chronicles were written several centuries after the events they describe, and they were heavily influenced by political and cultural factors of the time. Magyars have a rich cultural and historical heritage that is distinct from that of the Scythians and Huns, and it is important to avoid oversimplifying or conflating these different groups.

[2 While the Cumans did have significant contacts with the Hungarians, particularly during the 11th and 12th centuries, their impact on other regions and cultures was also notable. Page was dying with Hungarian history.

For example, Cumans played an important role in the history of the Kievan Rus', Seljuk Khanate and Byzantine Empire, and they had significant interactions with the Mongols and the Ottoman Empire. But Cuman impact of these was only few sentence while Hungarian part was overfilled.

[3] Kuns in Hungary who claim to be descendants of the Cumans are not considered an independent ethnic group recognized by any official government or international organization. They are just a branch of Hungarians and Cumans settled in Greater and Little Cumania. We do not know how much ethnic Cuman actually exists. Also, they don't carry any language today. I was the one who created the Kun page and cited them in Cuman page in the first place. Later I deleted it for these reasons.

[4] Finding connection is different. The page used to claim Hungarians and Onoghurs were related which is false proven by genetic and linguistic researches. You used to sent me a link suggesting Hungarian and Onoghur genetic is resemblence. Onoghurs and Hungarians are two distinct groups with different origins and linguistic affiliations, although they share some similarities. Genetically, Onoghurs and Hungarians would have had different genetic profiles due to their distinct origins. We should know that both groups have likely undergone genetic admixture with other populations throughout their histories. Therefore, it would be challenging to pinpoint specific genetic differences between the two groups.

[5] If you read the sources cited it claims these place located in East of modern-day Bashkortoston. Magna Hungaria of Friar Julian claims that the Bashkirs and Magyars could speak and understand each other. However, linguistic and ethnic identities can be complex and multifaceted, and cannot be reduced to a simple binary of being "Turkified" or "Ugranized." Bashkirs are a Turkic ethnic group while Magyars are Finno-Ugric. Friar Julian's Magna Hungaria claim linguistic and cultural connections between the Bashkirs and Magyars, complexities of linguistic and ethnic identities cannot be reduced to simple categorizations.

[6] "Tatar" is an umbrella term for Kipchak-Turkic ethnic groups including Cumans. "Hungarian Cumans" or "Hungarian Tatars" are not historical terms. Kuns were a nation dead few centuries ago and these descendants are claims to be Turkic. For instance, Crimean Tatars formed by Cumans in Crimea and started to call themselves Crimean Tatars but Hungarian Cumans were a small minotority who are dead today and descendants of these people today still un-recognized. Cuman self referred themselve as Tatar in Codex Cumanicus. If we'll go by "historical names" Kuns doesn't appear anywhere today and un-recognized. Volgabulgari (talk) 14:28, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

I agree with OrionNimrod.

[18] Citations are generally avoided in introductions, just as in the introduction of Hungarian prehistory. The sources used throughout the article surely contain enough antique attestations. Saying this—that the contemporary literature considered the Hungarians to be Scythians and Huns—is not 'pure propaganda' and doesn't state that this parallel is correct. Actually, many other nomadic nations have been connected to the Scythians and Huns, for example the Bulgars.

[2] Since most people of Cuman ethnicity were in and in the surroundings of the Kingdom of Hungary, the weight on Hungarian-related history of them is not remarkably uneven. If the situation bothers you, add content covering them in modern-day Russia, for instance. But don't delete relevant and notable information, especially because (or at least I think) they are less extensively described when they were on the fetterless steppe.

[3] I don't know if the 'Kuns' are listed as an official ethnic group, but they are definitely related to the Cumans who settled there. This population has clearly been assimilated into the Hungarian nation, but they are the descendants of those tribesmen who lived here nevertheless.

[4] Read the cited source. It states that Onogurs have been connected to Old Hungarians. I would also emphasize that no scholars believes that Hungarians are a 100% Finno-Ugric nation. They believe that the Hungarian people have formed in the territory of the modern Northwestern Federal District thousands of years ago, and since then lost most of its 'Finno-Ugricness'. Only a meager part of our vocabulary, heritage, language is thought to be related to the Finnish.

[5] Your personal opinion doesn't matter. Magna Hungaria was said to be in today's Bashkortostan. You can't overwrite that because you think that would illogical. Gyalu22 (talk) 16:03, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi Volgabulgari,

To inform other users: My converstaion here with Volgabulgari: User talk:Beshogur#Hungarian reverts

1."Hungarian chronicles do suggest a connection between the Magyars and the Scythians and Huns. Important to note that these chronicles were written several centuries after the events they describe, and they were heavily influenced by political and cultural factors of the time."

A lot of German, Byzantine, Italian... etc (I know and I am able to show a lot of old sources) contemporary documents much earlier than the Hungarian documents claimed the Hungarians and Huns, Avars and Scythians. For example: Leo VI The Wise Emperor of Byzantium (886–912) described the Hungarians this way (Book: The Taktika of Leo VI) “The Scythian nations are one, so to speak, in their manner of life and their organization; they have a multitude of rulers, and they have done nothing of value, living for the most parts as nomads. Only the nation of the Bulgarians, and also that of the Turks [Hungarians], give thought to a similar military organization, which makes them stronger than the other Scythian nations as they engage in close combat under one commander.” (By the way Byzantine literature named the Hungarians as Turks)

But this does not matter it is true or not true, because medieval sources claimed this, and this is fact and you removed this content what the medieval literature claimed. (According to genetic researches it is true, to my personal DNA test the closest ancient groups are the Scythians according to mytruancestry, and this is the average Hungarian result according to the site, but this is not the topic now)

2 You wrote: "Unnecesary to add very long historical relations of Cumans with Hungary. I simplified the page then add relations with Georgia, Seljuks and Byzantine. If I didn't delete it, history section of Cumans would kill the whole page." WP:JUSTDONTLIKEIT For example I see Britannica think different than you and you removed very important contents huge texts: (35 000) So you think that you have right to decide this? Bascially you admit that you vandalised the article. The articles has many chapters, readers can jump among them. It is not our problem that you do not like when Cumans and Hungarians have many recorded events, things. You can add the missing contents if you miss something, but please do not vandalise removing huge contents because just you do not like it. If you have issue with some sentences that is the talk page when editors could agree and collaborate, but you did not use it, basically you destroyed the works of other editors in the past years, you kept only 1 sentence in the Hungarian-Cuman history, even you removed in the main text that the mother of a Hungarian king was Cuman lady.

3+ Talk:Kuns#Hungarian Tatars? + Talk:Kuns#Existence? Even other users recognized that you just copy pasted the Cuman article, it should be talk about only Cumans in Hungary or merge to the main Cuman article, but it is nonsense to invent new terms like "Hungarian Tatars".

4 Do you know any Onogur genetics? Show us! Modern genetic study say the Hungarians mixed with Onogurs: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8478946/ "Moreover, it is suggested that Hungarian conquerers together with the Turkic-speaking Kabars moved in and integrated the “Avar” (including Onoghurs, Proto-Hungarians etc.) people."

Other one: https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1112/1112.2013.pdf "The Hungarians are Ob-Ugrian speakers, though they probably have at least some historical connection to Turks (the name Hungarian probably derives from Onoghur, a Turkic people of Central Eurasia in the early middle ages, Golden [1991])" And there are many similar idea by historians: Onogurs who settled in the Carpathian basin after the Avars.[19]

5 You deface the sourced content with your own idea about the location, it is falsyfing what the source claim, I requested but you did not provide any source that Magna Hungaria was east from Baskiria. Well the Hungarian origin is quite complex, it is not our problem that you deny the genetics the modern science:

Archeological mtDNA haplogroups show a similarity between Hungarians, whose homeland is around the Ural Mountains, and Bashkirs; https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6534673/

Y-chromosome haplogroups from Hun, Avar and conquering Hungarian period nomadic people of the Carpathian Basin

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-53105-5

"The Conqueror-Bashkir relations are also supported by historical sources, as early Hungarians of the Carpathian Basin were reported to be identical to Baskhirs by Arabic historians like al-Masudi, al-Qazwini, al-Balhi, al-Istahri and Abu Hamid al-Garnat, latter visited both groups at the same time around 1150 AD and used the term Bashgird to refer to the Hungarians in the Carpathian Basin. In addition parallels were found between several Conqueror and Bashkir tribe names and Bashkiria has been identified with Magna Hungaria, the motherland of Conquerors"

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/597997v1

"Composition of conquering Hungarian paternal lineages is very similar to that of Baskhirs, supporting historical sources that report identity of the two groups."

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41431-020-0683-z

"the ancestry of the first Hungarian royal dynasty traces to the region centering near Northern Afghanistan about 4500 years ago and identifies the Bashkirs as their closest kin, with a separation date between the two populations at the beginning of the first millennium CE." OrionNimrod (talk) 16:33, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

Removing Hungarian related contents

@Grin Hungarikusz Firkász deleted the article Magyar Polgári Együttműködés Egyesület in the hungarian wikipedia - aktelőző 2023. május 20., 08:53‎ Hungarikusz Firkász vitalap szerkesztései‎ a 12 794 bájt 0‎ Hungarikusz Firkász átnevezte a(z) Magyar Polgári Együttműködés Egyesület lapot Cikkjelölt:Magyar Polgári Együttműködés Egyesület lapra átirányítás nélkül: Lásd a vitalapra írtakra, azóta sem volt ezt érintő változtatás, hátha a feljavítóba kerülés lendületet ad neki. visszavonásköszönet This is clearly censoring without any cause. Elekes Andor (talk) 07:11, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

@Grin Egy érdemi megbeszélés lefolytatásához szükséges lenne annak tisztázása, hogy eddig hányszor próbálták feltölteni a Magyar Polgári Együttműködés Egyesület lapot és hányszor törölték. Fontos kiindulópont lenne, hogy ez tízszer fordult elő vagy akár sokkal többször is. Az is érdekes lenne, hogy a számtalan törlés indokaként mi volt megadva. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elekes Andor (talk • contribs) 13:11, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Nem értem. Ez az angol Wikipédián volt? Ha nem, miért ide írtad? grin ✎ 13:51, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

@Grin Nem. A magyar wikipédia szócikkét kezdtem: a "Magyar Polgári Együttműködés Egyesület" szócikket. Hungarikusz Firkász eltüntette. Javasolom hogy folytassunk érdemi vitát arról, hogy indokolt-e a szócikk törlése. Kérem hogy a vita megfelelő előkészítése érdekében állapítsuk meg, hogy hányszor próbálták megírni a szócikket és hányszor került törlésre. Ez a lap angol ugyan, de a magyar vonatkozású tartalmakra vonatkozik. Az MPEE Magyarország legjelentősebb NGO-ja, nem kormányzati szervezete, amely 1996 óta (ténylegesen 1995 óta) működik: van annyira fontos, hogy megérdemel egy vitát arról, hogy meg kell-e akadályozni a róla szóló szócikk megírását. Elekes Andor (talk) 14:19, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Tisztáznék néhány csúsztatást, aztán itt nem is folytatnám tovább, mert, ahogy Grin is megállapította, nem ide tartozó téma, továbbá a itt már minden ki lett tárgyalva:

1. A szócikk nem lett eltüntetve.
2. A szócikk nem lett törölve.
3. Senki sem akadályozza, hogy a Magyar Polgári Együttműködés Egyesületről szócikk legyen. Erről nincs mit vitázni, mert senki sem akadályozza a szócikk létezését.
4. A mostani cikkjelöltté minősítést leszámítva egyszer sem lett törölve a lap, és gyakorlatilag a mostani sem nevezhető törlésnek, mert átirányítás nélküli átnevezés történt, mivelhogy a névterek közötti átirányításokat rendszerint nem tartjuk meg. Pláne nem szócikknévtérből másik névtérbe mutatót.

Nem hiszem, hogy érdemes itt bármin is vitatkozni, egyszerűen csak javítani kéne azt, ami javítanivaló. Ennyi szövegelés helyett már réges rég megtörténhetett volna.Hungarikusz Firkász (talk) 14:51, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Hungarikusz Firkász azt állítja, hogy nem volt korábban számos esetben törölve a szócikk. Én ezt nem hiszem el neki, számomra ő nem szavahihető. Pártatlan, felelősségteljes, valódi személyazonossággal rendelkező személy kellene megállapítsa azt, hogy hány alkalommal tüntették már el ezt a lapot. Eltüntetés az is, ha cikkjelöltté minősítve tüntetik el. Eltüntetés az is, ha kevésnek vagy rossz minőségűnek minősítik a feltöltést. Vagy valami értelmezhetetlen, zavaros kifogást húznak elő. Például azt, hogy milyen kapcsolatban van a Polgári Gondola vagy a kormányfői beszéd a Magyar Polgári Együttműködés Egyesülettel. Sajnálatos, hogy gondot okoz megérteni azt, hogy sem a Polgári Gondola, sem a kormányfői évértékelő nem szervezet. Ha pedig nem szervezet, akkor csak a Magyar Polgári Együttműködés Egyesület által szervezett esemény lehet. Bonyolult ? A Magyar Polgári Együttműködés Egyesület Magyarország legnagyobb nem kormányzati szervezete (NGO), nem indokolt az eltüntetése. Elekes Andor (talk) 19:51, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Teljesen mindegy, mit hiszel, vagy mit nem hiszel el nekem, én hivatkozásokkal alátámasztottam, hogy nem volt számos alkalommal törölve a szócikk (mindenki ugyanezeket a hivatkozásokat tenné eléd), te pedig -- amellett, hogy azt sem vagy képes értelmezni, ami szemed előtt van, mert az megzavarná a kis elméleteidet -- fordítva ülsz a lovon. A bizonyítási teher rajtad van, ha azt állítod, hogy a lap számos alkalommal törölve lett, akkor neked kell ezt az állítást bizonyítani. Viszont úgy tűnik, téged nem a szócikk érdekel, hanem csak az, hogy veszekedhess, és csak az, hogy rám hegyezd ki a dolgot. Egészségedre! Ha a szócikk érdekelne, már rég javítottad volna, de te inkább egy napja veszekszel. Egy értetlen és zöld troll vagy, semmi más. Innentől kezdve nincs mit mondanom neked, főleg nem itt, ahol semmi köze ennek az ügynek ehhez a helyhez. Egyedül Grint sajnálom, hogy ebbe a hülyeségbe belerángattad. Hungarikusz Firkász (talk) 20:52, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Keszthely culture

This article has been completely rewritten in a way that flatly contradicts earlier versions. More eyes would be welcome. Srnec (talk) 20:23, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Srnec, I need check the added sources, however I can say at the first look the previous version was almost totally unsourced. I see 1 years ago I already removed a very strange and illogical sentence: [20] OrionNimrod (talk) 09:33, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Srnec

Yes this version, unlike the previous one, is based on books with sources, whereas the previous one didn't have a single source, I don't know who wrote it or where they got the information from but it contradicts the historians' opinions. The article is now scientifically credible. I don't understand how the previous one stayed up. CriticKende (talk) 11:55, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

@CriticKende: I am mostly concerned that the word "Germanic" is very prominent and the word "Roman[ized]" has been shunted to a section on "obsolete theories", yet when I go to a source I can read (this one), the word "Germanic" is nowhere to be found but "Roman" is prominent. Srnec (talk) 20:03, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Hi @

Srnec

Thanks for the source in advance! I will put it in the article tomorrow.

The source you shared mainly talks about the old Roman buildings being used. Just because they used old Roman buildings doesn't mean they were Romanized in my opinion, especially since the recent studies says the same thing. The few recent books that have come out on the subject call the population Germanic and Avar. Also, I personally went to the museum in Keszthely, because I was interested in the topic (very interesting if you live nearby you should visit it too), and they also call the population Germanic/Avar.

Thanks again for the source, and I will include the Roman buildings mentioned in the study you sent.

I hope this will be fine. CriticKende (talk) 23:49, 20 July 2023 (UTC)