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a whole year of gallifrey

@gallifreyrelisten

for a whole year, until the next gallifrey boxset will be finally released, we will be listening to one episode of gallifrey a week! feel free to join us, the more, the merrier organized by @stopmyhearts

The Big Gallifrey Relisten

What is that?

From April 11th, 2025 until beginning of May 2026 (when War Room 3 will hopefully be released), we will be listening to one episode of Gallifrey a week

What episode are we on?

the current episode is: Pre-Gallifrey stories: the Invasion of Time, The Apocalypse Element, Neverland and Zagreus

alternatively, you can find all the episode announcements under #this week on gallifrey

you can find all future dates here

What does this blog do?

here, I will post what episode we listen to on what day, and then throughout the following week I will be reblogging thoughts, liveblogs, analyses, fanart and more specific to the episode

How can I participate?

listen to the episode, make art or write fic about it, liveblog it, post about it, whatever you want. I will be following the #gallifrey relisten tag, but I'll also check #gallifrey and #gallifrey audios for posts to reblog. I'll also be looking for old posts, so if you find anything good, or have made something in the past, please tag me!

What if I want to listen to Gallifrey for the first time?

then you are more than welcome to join us too! Gallifrey is an amazing series and we are always happy to have new people join us. this blog will be tagging #gallifrey spoilers for any significant spoilers beyond the current episode

Who is behind this?

that would be me, Jae, main blog is @stopmyhearts. Feel free to say hi to me there. I've been a fan of Gallifrey since November 2024 and became very obsessed very fast. I am being helped by @daughterofheartshaven and @sircarolyn as well as a bunch of other mutuals.

and i also like that gallifrey's answer to the apocalypse element is that romana is unrepentantly suicidal and never for a moment stops being suicidal, because she's traumatised to an almost unprecedented degree - certainly in comparison to literally every other character in gallifrey, she is leagues more traumatised. there's not really a moment when she comes to the realisation that, actually, killing herself is a bad idea, or even just the wrong idea, because she is, again, utterly traumatised to a level it's hard to wrap your head around. what does twenty years of unimaginable suffering do to someone, even someone as long-lived as a time lord? well, it makes her do the unthinkable by time lord standards: she wants to end her lives. and she never stops being like that. she can get better, and she can get worse, but she never escapes that baseline of pure and unadulterated suicidal misery

"He's mad!"

The Invasion of Time - season 16 - 1978

[ID: six gifs from the Doctor Who episode The Invasion of Time. They show Andred and the fourth Doctor. Andred says "Banishing Leela and the others was the best way of protecting them". The Doctor responds "It might just work! Give me your helmet." Andred hands him his helmet and then says to himself "He's mad! One of us is mad. It's either him..." /end ID]

I want to learn more about the Interim President when Romana was captured. Like there is clearly a great deal of care and loyalty between them, they appear to know each other, Romana calls him her own Lord President, like what is the connection there? And at the same time, I think there is something in his namelessness. Because his goal is clearly not to be president but to be president in Romana's place only. He is a servant, not a leader and remaining anonymous is the greatest sign of that

Invasion of Time Part 2!

Absolutely top notch acting from the guy saying “Stop! Stop or I’ll fire!” as Leela legs it down the corridor

The Doctor does NOT care how long recovery from that thing should take, he’s ready to be fabulous

There’s nothing more useless than a lock with a voice print. Also everyone is an insufferable bean tin.

RODAN IS HERE! And her space traffic control prop is beyond wonderful.

Shooty dog doing some (very gentle) shooting.

Rodan is such a baaaaabe

Brilliant Tom Laugh to see us out. Onto episode 3, which I may or may not finish tonight!

Girl problems.

Classic Doctor Who S15E21, "The Invasion of Time" Part 1 New Doctor Who S10E11, "World Enough and Time"

[ID: three gifs each of the Doctor Who episodes The Invasion of Time and World Enough and Time. On the left, Andred says "If you could avoid killing anyone, it would help" to which Leela responds "I will try.". On the right, Missy is talking to her past self, saying "Hello, ordinary person. Please maintain a minimum separation of three feet. I'm really trying not to kill anyone today." /end ID]

i've just processed the post - the apocalypse element was the *first* one that lalla ward did being back as romana? that's insane, she did a phenomenal job

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It is! In between her TV appearances and The Apocalypse Element, Lalla Ward did appear in three more Doctor Who-related stories, but this is her first audio appearance as Romana. She did appear briefly in the 1993 charity special Dimensions in Time as Romana. She also did two K-9 audio stories in 1999, that's a year before The Apocalypse Element, where she plays a character called The Mistress, who for legal reasons is distinct from Romana, but heavily implied to be her. (I am going to listen to those today due to the shenanigans over on tardis.guide) But yeah, Lalla Ward is absolutely phenomenal in The Apocalypse Element, I am in awe with her skill

the Time Lords have the most atrocious sense of decor. Shiny head-sized plastic flowers, chunks of dirty glowing crystal, random bits of free-standing railing, hideous plastic chairs that don't match anything else, all in this gloomy industrial-chic building made of exposed metal beams and recessed green lights. Clearly their architectural and artistic sensibilities did NOT develop along the same lines as their sartorial tastes lol. Does make me wonder about the local art scene though...

I haven't listened to The Apocalypse Element in a bit, so I've kinda forgotten large chunks of it. But based on what other people have said, I was expecting the Doctor to be dismissive of Romana on my relisten.

And, by my read, this doesn't happen. Like, don't get me wrong, from Romana's perspective this was rough treatment. But I've been getting the vibe that the Doctor doesn't seem to care about Romana, and I very much disagree with that. Firstly, as soon as he knows she is in danger, he is bringing that up constantly until he finds her, and while he is somewhat collected when talking to Vansell and the President over it, I see a lot of pain and rage behind every line he says in that scene.

And yeah, once Romana is back, his actions aren't the most caring, but they did not have time for that. He's trying to keep as many people alive as possible in the story that is probably in top five for body count in the entire franchise. And yeah. Does he also express a lot of concern for Evelyn? Yes. It's an awful situation, but Romana - battered and broken as she is - is a Time Lord. Time Lords are good at not dying. But in this story, feces is hitting the fan, and the Doctor is trying to keep his friends and the universe alive.

As for him just leaving at the ending, there's actually a really good reason for this. He's really not supposed to be on Gallifrey. Romana returned from E-Space and became president during the Seventh Doctor era - this is all in the Doctor's future. He might have had some idea that Romana came back from E-Space, but he had no idea she was president. That's all in his future.

This isn't just my usual canon-welding wankery either - the Doctor is shocked when he learns that Romana was president, and when Romana sees him, she notes that he is in "the wrong body" (since she was expecting the Seventh Doctor), and the Doctor responds by saying he is in "the wrong time" (Seventh-Doctor era Gallifrey). While the background from that was from the Virgin New Adventures, tae is building a lot on the VNAs - in as much as that's where the idea of Romana being president comes from - so that combined with how those lines are delivered makes me confident that I'm reading into something the author inteneded.

So the Doctor is in Gallifrey's future, and that's something that's really not supposed to happen. This is the sort of thing that's a paradox in the making, and this is when Gallifrey is still trying to just keep its hands clean of that sort of thing. He can't stay with Romana and Romana can't leave with him because there is a 200ish year gap between their histories and ignoring that is a great way to bring the Gallifreyan legal system down on their heads.

Does this suck? Yes. But I don't see a way for the Doctor and Romana to have stayed together that didn't give Vansell an excuse to go after them (especially since other sources state that Vansell was basically behind the Trial of a Time Lord stuff - and I will grant that that is my usual canon-welding wankery, but I think the point still stands without that detail).

If you want to criticize the Doctor for trying to sneak off at the end and not trying to have a proper goodbye, then yeah. I'm there with you. That's in character for him, but it's not a great thing for him to do.

But if you want to criticize the Doctor's other actions during The Apocalypse Element, while that is of course totally valid, I do not think I agree with you.

DOCTOR: Kill me. CHARLEY: I can't. DOCTOR: Kill me. CHARLEY: I love you. DOCTOR: Kill me. CHARLEY: You wouldn't ask me unless-- DOCTOR: Kill me. CHARLEY: Unless you didn't love me back. DOCTOR: Kill me. ROMANA: Doctor. LEELA: Charley? CHARLEY: In the Time Station you said you did. DOCTOR: Kill me. ROMANA: What's going on? RASSILON: Madam President, enjoy the entertainment. It'll all be over soon. CHARLEY: You didn't mean it, did you. DOCTOR: Kill me. LEELA: Do not listen to him. RASSILON: She won't. CHARLEY: Just the sort of thing the Doctor says. DOCTOR: Kill me. RASSILON: She wouldn't. CHARLEY: I thought you were the bravest person I ever knew. DOCTOR: Kill me. RASSILON: Put the knife down, girl. CHARLEY: Because you're not. DOCTOR: Kill me. RASSILON: Put it down. CHARLEY: It's me. I'm the bravest person here. DOCTOR: Kill me. LEELA: No, Charley. ROMANA: Charley, no! RASSILON: No. No! CHARLEY: Goodbye, Doctor.

well that's fun, i sure hope that--

DANNY: I love you. CLARA: No. No, no, no. I'm sorry, but no. Anybody could say that. Anybody would know to say that. Say something only you could tell me. Prove to me you are really Danny. DANNY: How? CLARA: I love you means nothing right now. CLARA: Not until I know who's talking. Say something only Danny could say. DANNY: Clara CLARA: Danny, if that is you--wherever you are, whatever it takes, I will be with you again, I swear. DANNY: No, you won't. You are not coming here. CLARA: Nothing will stop me, nothing in the world, as soon as I know it's you. DANNY: There is only one way to come here, and you are not doing that. CLARA: I'll do anything, Danny, anything. Just say something only you could say. DANNY: Clara, you have your life. You have your whole life to live. You have to stay there. CLARA: No. I have to be with Danny Pink. DANNY: I love you. CLARA: Stop saying that! Don't say that. If you say that again, I swear I will switch this thing off. DANNY: Clara CLARA: Yes? DANNY: I love you.

hm.

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