@TimHoffman what do you mean by “grids enabled by default”. Do you mean artists with a grid-like structure? I think such grids are only distinguishable if you have pretty small data sets. I think for many pcolor and image data sets the pixels are too small to line up and a grid line can be helpful.

There are some styles that define axes.grid: True (e.g. seaborn and ggplot). This is primarily intended for plot or scatter plots. But it's a global style setting for all Axes. In particular, this is enforced at creation time of the Axes, when we do not know yet what will be plotted into the axes.

Can we agree (which I find reasonable and is the current default), that pcolormesh plots should not be crossed by grid lines by default also in ggplot and similar? If so, the only way to prevent that is swiching off the grid inside pcolormesh.

Can we agree (which I find reasonable and is the current default), that pcolormesh plots should not be crossed by grid lines by default also in ggplot and similar?

What is the rationale for that default? Here is a pcolormesh from today, and while I don't typically have grids on, I don't see why we would think a user who wants them on by default would want them turned off for pcolors?

Scatter/line plots and false-color plots are fundamentally different and may warrant different defaults defaults.

Acutally, I just realized that these styles (ggplot, seaborn) use the rcParam axes.axisbelow. That effectively hides the grid behind the QuadMesh.

Concerning this PR, the grid lines would still be there after, but they will lie beneath the QuadMesh. So with this PR, there is no visual change for defaults, and I'm withdrawing my block.

Scatter/line plots and false-color plots are fundamentally different and may warrant different defaults defaults.

Well, if they warrant different defaults they should warrant different rcParams, I guess...

Well, if they warrant different defaults they should warrant different rcParams, I guess...

But it's a style. There's just one global axes.grid param for all types of plots.

I'm sorry if I'm being dense, but I'm not following you. ax.pcolormesh ignores rcParam['axes.grid'] and just turns the grid off regardless of the style. If you think styles should be able to set a different behaviour for pcolors/images, then doesn't that need something like this PR and a different rcParam?

This is getting a bit lengthy, and I doubt it's worth the effort of the discussion.

Technically, you are right, that would be a more general solution. However, historically/empirically it was chosen to just deactivate the grid. My whole point was/is that there's more to it than #15600 (comment)

It's probably actually not too hard to change that (and I think removing that line makes sense): one can check before the call to grid(False) whether the grid is on (which would only happen if explicitly set earlier in the code and then the user relying on pcolor(mesh)() unsetting it...)

because of the style topic (alleviated by the fact that all provided styles use axes.grid=True and axes.axisbelow=True). However, it may potentially affect other styles out there. You could introduce additional rcParams, but these styles would still have to adapt to our code change.

To sum up, and look towards a resolution:

• almost nobody had a problem with pcolormesh deactivating the grid (first report in 14 years). And it can easily be restored by activating the grid after pcolormesh.
• almost nobody will see a change if we remove the grid code (hopefully, unless some downstream library uses a certain style settings).

Therefore, I don't care. I've raised my (now only) slight concern. I would just leave this as it was, but if others want to merge I'm fine with that as well.

• almost nobody had a problem with pcolormesh deactivating the grid (first report in 14 years). And it can easily be restored by activating the grid after pcolormesh.

I wrote issue #15600, just to add some details.
In fact i have seen this behaviour since few years, in my real use case (A GUI to explore netCDF data, grid reprensent some meridian and parallel that i want to display, because my plot could be a composite of pcolormesh/scatter/quiver/...) pcolormesh could be call after or before grid, it's depends of user action in the GUI. I added a dirty fix in my real use case: i get before pcolormesh grid state and i apply old state after pcolormesh.
And when i read again my code recently, i decide to create issue, i didn't know it was an historic choice.

I still think this should go in. Arbitrarily removing the grid based on artist type is unexpected and means the user has to do weird work arounds. Of course the version will have to be updated.

rebased

ooops, something changed!

hopefully fixed...

Close? The warn_deprecated function was deprecated in Matplotlib 3.4 and will be removed two minor releases later.

trying again...

Still some deprecation warnings.

As it turns out, avoiding spurious warnings is a bit trickier than I expected: if axes.grid: True, or for polar axes (for which polaraxes.grid already default to True), assuming that the user just plots a pcolormesh, then we emit a warning (because pcolormesh will hide the grid), even though by default the grid was not going to be visible anyways unless the user changes the axes limits to go beyond those of the pcolormesh (which was the original issue at hand), as the pcolormesh will be drawn above the grid anyways (by default). Trying to keep a flag to later emit a warning if the grid would have been visible because the axes limits were changed to not match the limits of the pcolormesh seems way more work than worth it.

In other words, if you were not plotting anything other than the pcolormesh, then directly changing pcolormesh to not remove the grid shouldn't affect you (but this PR would emit a spurious warning). In the other cases (e.g. the original #15600), then the new behavior seems to be clearly what you want anyways. Hence, the practical solution may just be directly remove the grid(False) call with no deprecation period?

🤷‍♂️ probably ok with no deprecation, but I'd like to have somebody else agree.

That makes sense to me, but maybe we need yet a third opinion.

I'm also OK with dropping the deprecation.

Actually I was confused when I wrote

as the pcolormesh will be drawn above the grid anyways (by default).

as the pcolormesh is normally drawn below the grid and therefore doesn't hide it. Hence I believe the deprecation warning implemented by this PR is basically OK.