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How do folks feel about using 'they/their' etc instead of the pronouns? As for "gentlemen's agreement", that's a bit tougher. 'gentleperson' works, but is rather cumbersome, and I suspect would invite toxic criticism. Maybe 'friendly agreement'? 'casual aggreement' maybe? |
«consenting adults» is used elsewhere. |
We generally don't update text of PEPs after approval / rejection / etc -- I would leave this to individual authors going forwards, and see past PEPs as a historical record. |
the right thing to do is make these edits when pointed out. PR forthcoming. |
Churn is generally considered unnecessary. |
Cleanup grating unmodern gender wording text in old PEPs that were pointed out in python#855.
Thanks adrinjalali and hoylemd, I used your suggestions. |
Thanks so much for doing that @gpshead. I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels more included as a result :) |
The other changes are all good, of course, but I wonder about "gentleman's agreement". It is a specific term that has a concrete, well-defined and accepted meaning, that "friendly agreement" does not fully capture. At least after some searching, I wasn't able to find a reference to it being deprecated in modern usage, or a preferred term to replace it with (but I may simply not have found it, and would appreciate being made aware if so) — @adrinjalali , do you have a link or other reference you could share about this? Thanks! |
Nowadays I cringe when I read "gentlemen's agreement" so I'm glad it's gone. It's not a very important concept here anyways. |
While reading PEP 3119, I noticed the usage of some gender specific terms such as:
Similarly, PEP 3127 has:
PEP 381:
On the other hand, I also noticed that (at least in one instance) "her" is put as a default; PEP 311:
There are also a few cases where both pronouns are mentioned:
I guess it was the "gentlemen's agreement" that made me take a closer look, and it seems at least on PEPs that's the only instance of the phrase. Otherwise, to me it seems like at some point the issue has been addressed in the new documents, and there are a few left in the older ones (just an impression). It would be awesome if you/we could resolve those as well.
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