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Yesterday
It has been established that it's browser independent, although not seeming to impact mobile browsers at all.
I use monobook skin, and spend most of my time on en.wp although I do frequently visit Commons, en Wiktionary and Meta. I also read WikiVoyage occasionally
I don't know how to easily share my preferences but here are my settings for gadgets, beta features and custom scripts on my four frequently used wikis:
en.wp:
Non-default gadgets:
- Navigation popups
- find-archived section
- Display pages on your watchlist that have changed since your last visit in bold
- Citation expander
- HotCat
- Add an [edit] link for the lead section of a page
- Add a "Purge" option to the top of the page, which purges the page's cache
- Allow /16, /24 and /27 – /32 CIDR ranges on Special:Contributions forms, as well as wildcard prefix searches (e.g., "Splark*") (report issues)
- Enable tracking bugs on Phabricator using the {{tracked}} template
Beta features:
- Paragraph-based edit conflict
- Discussion tools
Mon, Nov 18
I was logged out again today (17 November), at some point between 11:39 and 22:10 UTC. I was away from my computer from around 12:00 until shortly before I discovered I was logged out. I did browse Wikipedia on my phone during that time, but I was logged in there as a different user (and have not been logged out) so I don't think that is relevant.
Thu, Nov 7
And another logout, at some point between 15:19 and 18:36 UTC today 7 November.
Mon, Nov 4
I've just been logged out again, it happened some time between 12:36 and 13:10 UTC today (4 November). Switching browsers was not a factor this time, I made an edit in Firefox then went and did some stuff in other Firefox tabs, then came back to a Wikipedia tab I'd left open, clicked edit and found I'd been logged out.
Sun, Oct 27
@doctaxon It seems to be happening every 2-3 days on average:
(all times UTC)
Sat, Oct 26
I've just been logged out again (circa 21:30 UTC 26 October). I was reading (and made a reply) in Chromium and then switched to Firefox and reloaded a page that was already open and found I'd been logged out.
My edit was a 21:27 UTC I think I (re)loaded a page after that but I might just have read ones I'd opened previously. I logged in again at approximately 21:32 UTC.
Thu, Oct 24
I was logged out at some point between 0814 and c. 1945 UTC yesterday (23 October). Sorry I can't be more precise but I was out all day so the logout happened either while I was away or on one of my first page loads after returning. I most recently logged in previously at circa 1136 on 19 October after a previous unrequested logour.
Oct 19 2024
In case it's helpful, I've accidentally discovered that actively logging out doesn't prevent this from happening. Yesterday (18 October) I misclicked and logged out at ~18:35, logging back in straight away. Today (19 October) I was logged out by this bug at some point between 09:42 and 11:36.
Oct 12 2024
Oct 11 2024
I don't know if this is useful information, but I was logged out twice in the circa 24 hours leading up to 20:15 8 October (I logged in shortly before that timestamp). I then remained logged in until some point between 22:43 on 10 October (I was logged in when I got a notification of and read a post made at that timestamp) and 00:05 on 11 October (when I reloaded a page I had had open). During this period I have edited only en.wp but I have also viewed Commons, Meta and en Wiktionary.
I have been logged in and have opened, closed and not closed pages in both Firefox and Chromium on the same desktop computer (running Xubuntu Linux). I've not logged in with this account on any other browsers of devices between the log out events. I think I read the 22:43 post on Firefox, but I was logged out when I reloaded the page in Chromium. In normal times I use the browsers fairly interchangeably and don't get logged out randomly.
Aug 10 2024
I wonder if a/the way to do this is to have a human-defined machine-readable table of defined equivalences such that when VE is asked to convert from e.g. cite-web to cite-news it can look up which parameters are equivalent to each other. This would probably require there to be a standard master set of parameters that all citation templates can pick from and then map their own parameter names to. This might be a big job but it would be doable and would be a one-off.
Alternatively to a table, maybe the template data system could be expanded to have a WikiData-like "instance of" property for parameters?
Aug 7 2024
Jul 25 2024
May 16 2024
What is the current status of this feature?
When implemented, will it allow multiple full blocks/multiple partial blocks from the same set of pages/actions but where one has talk page access disabled and one does not?
This is related to the ongoing discussion at [[en:Wikipedia talk:Blocking policy#Admin Tools and TPA Revocation]]
May 4 2024
Saying "it may happen" is accurate whether it happens or not.
Saying "it will not happen" is only accurate if it does not happen.
May 1 2024
Mar 8 2024
@Kizule I don't know of any way to exclude phrases from search results, but I can certainly see use cases for it. I'm not sure it's quite the same thing as this feature request though, so maybe open a new ticket?
Apr 12 2023
I was actively surprised that these two preferences were not adjacent when I went to turn on notifications for edits to my userpage.
Mar 27 2023
Feb 26 2022
Regarding T278357, intentionally signing with 3 and 5 tildes is rare (but not non-existent), but typoing 3 or 5 when intending 4 is relatively common. The intent of that ticket is to more gracefully deal with those instances by not adding a duplicate signature when it happens, changing the logic from "there is no signature here, I will add one" to "there is a partial signature here, I will add the missing part".
Jan 30 2022
I agree. One suggestion that has been made before, which I like, is to include the redirect in the suggestion to make it clearer what's happening.
Jan 20 2022
Hang on, this needs a lot more consideration before implementation as it will be actively undesirable, even harmful, in some circumstances. While no user is going to be confused about seeing "A Tale of Two Cities" when searching for "Tale of Two Cities", the same is not going to be true in every case - examples:
- Bush Twins → George W. Bush. Unless you know that this is a redirect to a section of the former president's article this is confusing and implies that George is a twin (he isn't).
- Diaoyu Islands → Senkaku Islands. Unless you know that one is an alternate name for the other this is going to be very confusing (and given the sensitivity of place names in disputed territories there could be other issues too)
- Cuba, Ohio → Cuba (disambiguation), Dark Angel (album) → Dark Angel. These will cause confusion as, as far as the reader is concerned, they have entered a precise search term - why is Wikipedia going to take them to an ambiguous title or a disambiguation page?
Readers will be wondering what have they done wrong and how can they get where they want to go? This is bad UX.
Other problems include:
- Making it much harder to visit the redirect page itself - e.g. to categorise it, nominate it for discussion, retarget it, overwrite it with an article, etc., especially if there is no "redirect from" note on the page.
- Obscuring the utility of redirects - if people do not travel via a redirect there is no record of it being used, making it much harder for editors to distinguish redirects that are useful from those that are not and removing a source of information used when considering the best target for a redirect. These will make it harder for readers to find the content they are looking for.
There is definitely a benefit to hiding some redirects in the search suggestions, but not all and likely not when the redirect matches the search string. Which redirects should be hidden and which should not is not something that can be done other than by humans. See T24251 for a proposed solution to this (note that this task will not resolve that problem in all cases, so the tickets should not be merged).
Jan 8 2022
I think this is a duplicate of T24251
Dec 24 2021
@DougWeller I can't help regarding video, but on en.wp there are instructions for screenshots at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Screenshots_of_Wikipedia (if you are sharing the image here (phabricator) you don't need to worry about the licensing template or uploading to Commons, just click the upload file button (up arrow on what I think is meant to be a cloud?) in the toolbar once you've saved your screenshot.
Sep 18 2021
en.wp (at least) was agonisingly slow shortly before it all went down, and even after en.wp came back up I wasn't able to allow Oauth access to login here.
May 16 2021
I agree with Ainali regarding opt-in/opt-out
My answers:
May 12 2021
May 1 2021
@ppelberg the status quo at least on en.wp if (some?) formatted text is pasted the user is given a choice about whether to paste plain text or wikitext. imo the choice (whether by model dialog or some other method) is very significantly superior to always doing one or the other.
Apr 25 2021
The status quo is:
- Someone copies formatted text and pastes it into the source mode of a reply or new discussion
- A dialog asks whether they want to paste as plain text or convert it to Wikitext
- The user chooses whichever option they want.
I still don't understand what the problem with this is? As long as both options do what they say they will do, then it doesn't matter what people want or expect (and I expect that any expectation for plain text is just that there has never been any option until now).
Apr 22 2021
I agree with Tacsipacsi - the current behaviour seems desirable to me. The issues I reported at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Talk_pages_project#Pasting_templates were not that this option appears but that when the "use plain text" option is selected nothing is pasted.
Perhaps there could be some way in your global preferences to control which wikis you want to accept emails from?
Apr 20 2021
Apr 15 2021
Apr 9 2021
T277919 has now been marked as invalid, but the problem remains. It seems T25310: Global suppression does not work properly when the target has already been locally blocked seems to be the relevant task for that, but that's been open since 2010 and is marked as low priority, with two blocking tasks also marked as low priority. As the issue is still (imo) a blocker it might be worth considering whether it is possible/desirable to release a version of DiscussionTools that does not include username suggestions.
See also T277919 where the issue regarding username autocompletion was initially raised. With such tools very significantly raising the visibility of username lists, making sure they don't display ones that are potentially libellous (e.g. accusations of paedophilia) or contain non-public information (e.g. other editor's home addresses) is now a much higher priority.
Apr 8 2021
Apr 6 2021
I've just discovered the existence of T279400 Make the feedback link for New Discussion tool point to the project page about the New Discussion tool (not the Reply tool)
It would be desirable, but not essential, to fix this before rolling out further.
If using the reply tool to a reply to a comment and that comment is removed in the page edit:
- If the comment you were replying to was the last on the page, your unsaved comment disappears as is desired
- if the comment you were replying to was not the last on the page, your unsaved comment becomes an unsaved reply to the comment following the one that was removed.
I've just created T279424 Abandoned comments get resurrected (unsaved changes). This is a medium-low priority task which can be fixed before or after DiscussionTools becomes an opt-in feature.
If I've understood your question correctly, I would say that T277919 should be resolved before a version of discussion tools featuring pinging with username suggestions is offered as an opt-in or opt-out feature.
T276510 should definitely be fixed before DiscussionTools is offered as an opt-out feature, with a strong preference for fixing it before offering it opt-in.
T265750 is not a blocker for an opt-in feature but should be fixed before offering it as opt-out one.
The other tickets are not blockers for either milestone, but fixing those I've listed as medium priority or higher before making it opt out will improve the reception.
Apr 5 2021
Apr 2 2021
I'd regard T277919 as a blocker.
Mar 31 2021
Mar 24 2021
Perhaps a way forward would be a per-user option with a per-wiki default. That should work on all wikis that use only one script, or multiple scripts of the same type (e.g. Latin and Cyrillic would both have a whitespace requirement as default, Chinese traditional and simplified would both not have that). Truly multilingual wikis would just have to pick one (I guess whichever suits whatever the majority of comments are written in) and advertise the config option.
Mar 22 2021
I generally agree with @matmarex 's proposal above, except that "cancel" should follow "post" in tabbing order and/or you should be able to navigate from one to the other using the arrow keys.
Regardless of what the user chooses, this should use the same as the preceding comment for all except the final character. e.g. in the sequence:
Comment1
:Comment2
::Comment3
Mar 20 2021
It seems like the operation should be set by script rather than by letter/non-letter
Mar 19 2021
I experienced it on the outreach wiki adding a comment to a non-empty page - https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:GLAM/Newsletter/Newsroom but I was focused on leaving the comment rather than documenting exactly what I experienced (when I wasn't expecting to experience it).
I tried to reproduce it on a few other wikis (listed in my en.wp feedback comment) but didn't manage to, but I didn't get a welcome message on every one of the wikis and I don't know how to force seeing it.
I followed a link to the outreach wiki from somewhere but can't remember where that was. In my testing I went direct to each wiki (no idea if that is relevant)
Feb 16 2021
Oct 17 2020
Adding to the pile on. The purpose of interface admin permission is so that non-technical administrators do not accidentally make breaking changes to technical pages. Administrators can still view these pages.
Sep 12 2020
May 31 2020
Users who are subject to a partial block from editing will be being watched to see if they are circumventing the block by copy-paste moves (at least on large projects). If they do that, then their actions can and will be reverted by others and they will be subject to increased sanctions. As long as the documentation of the feature mentions that there are workarounds (ideally bearing in mind WP:BEANS) then I don't see this as blocker to implementation.
May 29 2020
Why has this been closed as "resolved" (twice) when nothing has changed and the requested behaviour has not been implemented?
If no changes will be made then it should be "declined", surely? (for the reasons I noted in my last comment I think the change should be made, and would strongly encourage an explanation why the status quo is more desirable, but that's separate)
May 14 2020
As someone who frequently deals with I agree with most commenters here that this change would be a good one.
Regarding the talk page issue raised, I don't think its relevant. I use "article" in the examples below but it also applies in other namespaces:
Apr 26 2020
On the English Wikipedia there is a frequently expressed desire for redirects from misspellings (and similar) to be excluded from the search suggestions drop-down.
A magic word NOSEARCH (or similar) that:
- excluded such pages from the search drop down (except for exact matches?)
- (for redirects) placed their target higher in the drop down list and full search results page (to the top if an exact match)
- lowered non-exact matches in the full search hits but did not remove them entirely
would satisfy this desire and, as I understand it, also satisfy the original request will limiting (to almost nothing) the potential for abuse noted by @MZMcBride in comment 4.
Apr 23 2020
Apr 20 2020
I think this idea would be good, and would work for me. I think if you're wanting to exclude very many pages that you'd be better off using an opt-in system (which is T66090) - although I I realise that would require that to be or to have an option for "only these" instead of/in addition to "plus these"
@Tgr thank you.
The initial idea emerged in a discussion prompted by a local file being shown instead of the file from Commons a bot expected. At least on the English Wikipedia, there is already a warning if you try to upload a local file with the same name as an existing Commons file and only Admins can do it (T2889 seems relevant).
This means the problem (en.wp calls it "shadowing" I don't know if that term is used elsewhere) is almost always caused by a new file being uploaded to Commons that has the same name as an existing local file. To my knowledge there is no current way for this to be exposed to the uploader at Commons (given that it would need to check every connected wiki I'm guessing adding this would not be practical, which is backed up by T16888#189718 unless things have changed since 2009), or exposed automatically to the local wiki (this might be T18280).
There is a bot on en.wp operated by @Green_Cardamom that identifies newly shadowed files but I don't know how it works. These files are then dealt with by humans.
Apr 19 2020
As I understand it, this proposal is suggesting:
- Change the file: namespace such that it only displays files hosted at Wikimedia commons
- Creating a new LocalFile: namespace that functions identically to the existing File namespace, other than displaying only files hosted on the local wiki
- Moving all existing locally hosted files (and their talk pages) from the file: namespace to the LocalFile: namespace (this may be possible to do using bots?)
Apr 7 2020
There should still be a way for a user blocked from creating pages to get from a redlink to search results for the redlinked title. Whether that is a link from a message saying something like "this page does not exist and you do not have permission to create it" or (maybe less preferably?) simply being taken to search results when clicking a red link or some other method I don't know.
The reason is that these search results can be good way to find the article one intended to link to when the error (e.g. misspelling) is not immediately obvious.
Feb 22 2020
Dec 17 2019
That could get unwieldy if lots of users are partially blocked from a given article/set of articles, something quite plausible in topic areas like Israel-Palestine or US Politics. I can also easily foresee it being regarded as a badge of shame (or for certain people a badge of honour) to have their username prominently listed like that.
Confirming that this bug still exists in Android app 2.7.50305-r-2019-11-26 appearing exactly as it did in the 2018 screenshot in the description (although it's now reference 22)
Nov 25 2019
In this edit Parsoid (presumably) replaced in a reference name with a plain space (line 258 change block) when I made an unrelated change to the page (the addition of a parenthesis at line 289 was the only change I made, everything else is VE/Parsoid). It left the non-breaking spaces in the reference title alone.
Nov 16 2019
@John_Broughton that seems to be assuming that the category name will appear as text somewhere in the article, but that will not always be the case. For example List of pear cultivars is in Category:Lists of foods. The words "Lists" and "foods" appear nowhere on the page other than the category names, even "food" appears only in the link to a portal and in the title of one reference and neither are in close proximity to any instance of the word "list". I imagine this will be even worse in languages where plurals are formed differently than in English.
Nov 6 2019
Unsurprisingly, this is bug is still present in Firefox 70.0.1
Nov 1 2019
I definitely don't want link notices for every page on my watchlist - e,g, I have many policy pages on my watchlist but I don't want to get spammed by links to them. Getting link notices for pages not on your watchlist is probably rarer, but I wouldn't discount a desire for it.
Oct 31 2019
Not only is that the third (at least) time in this thread that Special:EditWatchlist and Special:EditWatchlist/raw have been mentioned, it was also in the opening comment of T143809 which was closed as a duplicate of this task in 2016. The other solutions mentioned in the past day are also not new.
From the merged task, this occurs in Firefox 70 on Windows 7, Windows 10 and Xubuntu Linux 18.04. It doesn't occur in Firefox 69 on Windows nor in Chromium or Konqueror on Linux.
Oct 30 2019
Another possible UI solution that would work for this, T77154 and allow opt-in for notifications to arbitrary pages (I can't find the task for that) would be something similar to watchlist editing Special:EditWatchlist and Special:EditWatchlist/raw
I don't think this is mutually exclusive with Levivich's suggestion.
Oct 24 2019
In addition to the single-image opt-out it would be useful to have:
- opt-outs for multiple (sets of) images (so someone who has created lots of icons but is interested in other files they have created) doesn't have to uncheck all of them individually
- opt-ins for single images, e.g. if you request an image or collaborate with someone to improve an image you might be interested in following where it is being used
- opt-ins for multiple (sets of) images, e.g. if you want to track all images of a certain topic.
Sep 9 2019
Regarding Yes / Maybe / No / Don't know, would the classification problem go away/become easier to solve if it was instead:
Yes / Maybe / No / Skip (this question)? The last returning no data about how good the match is (i.e. the same as if they hadn't been asked the question). Possibly keep track of the number of people who chose to skip so that any with a particularly high number could be human reviewed to see why (probably a niche topic, but maybe the question doesn't make sense).
Jun 25 2019
This is definitely related to T165807, and one is possibly a subtask of the other but I'm not sure which way round.
Apr 24 2019
Is this tool really detecting paid editing or actually promotional editing? The two are not the same thing, merely overlapping sets (not all promotional editing is paid, not all paid editing is promotional).
Is this a duplicate of T174635?
Mar 6 2019
Unless I'm missing something, it looks like the complexity and consequent priority of this task hasn't been evaluated since before SUL was fully implemented. Given that it's been open over 13 years would it be possible for someone to take a look again at how much work would be involved - and then just do it if it's a simple job.
Feb 2 2019
In the light of the above comments, I think the only way this could move forward would be as a way of adding a batch of page blocks at once. e.g. if I was to partially block User:Example and set the target as Category:Ships built in Millwall I would actually be blocking them from the ten specific pages in that category and the category page. If, e.g., HMS Eclipse (1860) were removed from that category they would still be blocked from editing it, but would not be blocked from editing any pages added to the category after the moment the block was applied (an explicit note to this effect in the UI would be good).
Jan 24 2019
Noting that the behaviour is (unsurprisingly) the same in Chromium and that the workaround of replacing the ? in the url with %3f exists but (a) this is cumbersome, (b) you need to spot you need to do it, (c) you need to know and remember the encoding.
Jan 5 2019
So the question is why has work not been put aside to fix an issue of recognised high importance that will, 13 years after first being raised, resolve an issue that results in us discriminating against people who are (in many jurisdictions) a legally protected minority?
Nov 22 2018
Certainly I think that if the user is blocked from editing their own talk page this should be made clear to other users, regardless of what sort of block it is the result of.
Nov 20 2018
My first thought is that this wont remain opaque to VE forever and so what is required is a workaround that exposes to VE some aspects about the contents of templates like {{columns-list}} even if cannot be edited yet.
For example, the template could expose metadata like:
References included: 'Smith' 'Jones' 'Patel'
where each of those is the name= parameter of a reference used inside it.