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will update this with any silly findings & also will update this to include a link to the actual master slides doc im making!

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BYCHANCE INTRODUCTION
BYCHANCE TIMELINE
WILL’S S5 ARC + S5 LEAKS ANALYSIS
BYCHANCE CONNECTIONS BOARD 1
BYCHANCE UPDATED BOARD
BYCHANCE EVIDENCE -> CHANCE + 22
ON ANTI-BYCHANCE “LEAKS”
BYCHANCE META BREAKDOWN
MILEVEN + STANCY = BYCHANCE
BYCHANCE MARKETING STRATEGY
CHANCE + ONE FORESHADOWING AS EARLY AS S1EP1
BYCHANCE AND … CARS?

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cypherheartnokey
willfreakbyers

Yall when did bychance become serious?

Like I thought it was a crackship. I kinda ship it off on the side, but i feel like I've seen so much more fanart and theorizing with them recently. And in my opinion, if bychamce did become canon, it wouldn't be a healthy relationship at all.

Wheres mikhail I want him back.

cypherheartnokey

I’m one of the OG Bychance theorizers lol.

I’m 99% sure Bychance will happen as a temporary situationship (probably a toxic one too)— so it’s not exactly that I “ship” it… I don’t.

It’s just what I think the Duffers chose, writing-wise. I also find it makes sense in terms of plot, themes, symbolism & character development.

I have good reason to hold this belief btw— as I’ve watched the show multiple times, read all the ST comics & most of the ST books, am on top of interviews, marketing, references, narrative patterns, & I’ve checked out practically every Stranger Things theory on this app & beyond.

I can tell you this much: hints for Bychance are everywhere.

However in my opinion, Byler will still be endgame in the end.

To be quite frank… Some people just need to realize that this horror drama coming-of-age show set in the 1980s is… PREDICTABLY and INEVITABLY going to include a certain amount of uncomfortable themes, conflicts, heartbreaks, & some things going *wrong*.

Overall, I don’t really understand ppl who claim we’re “weird” (???) for simply theorizing that Bychance could happen. And that’s low-key kinda rude too. Sorry.

(Not saying it’s you OP, but I’ve seen a lot of those takes going around & it gets boring and annoying)

ven0moir

hi op! piggybacking off of cypherheartnokey to add my own two cents too as someone who’s also been deep-diving into the Bychance theorizing:

you’re 100% right that bychance started as a crackship. and for a lot of us, it still kinda is in spirit. it has gotten more serious lately, but mostly because some of us noticed some patterns we couldn’t unsee.
that said, like cypherheartnokey also mentioned, none of the people seriously theorizing bychance ( that i know of ) actually ship it in a “this is healthy and good for Will” kind of way. we’re not seeing it as a replacement for Byler at all–it’s the opposite, honestly.

the way a lot of us are thinking about it is: bychance wouldn’t be a fairytale romance. it would be messy and potentially sad–but narratively necessary to move will (and mike) toward byler.

I’m honestly 100% convinced it’s going to happen because the structure and foreshadowing point toward it, not because I personally want it to.
(And yeah, I have mixed feelings about it too–mostly just hoping the Duffers handle it carefully.)

if it helps, a lot of us feel like Bychance would actually support and validate byler’s endgame, not take away from it. kind of like how Stancy existed in S1 to set up Jancy later:

temporary, messy romance -> realizing true feelings -> finally choosing the person you truly love.

it’s similar to how mileven was important for mike’s arc, even though it wasn’t meant to be his final destination.

so really, bychance would just be part of that bigger pattern.

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THIS CAN ONLY MEAN ONE THING IN KOREA

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its sad that you guys might not be into kpop and not understand this joke😣😣 but just know its genius and very funny and it means theyre DATING

bylerworld

for those who don't get it, in kpop whenever an idol wears something similar to another idol or is seen in the same place, etc, for example, people say it means they're together....so if both mike and will are holding FLASHLIGHTS then in korea this can only mean theyre dating get it 🙂‍↕️🙂‍↕️

ven0moir

something about Upside Down and Mike holding the flashlight up while Will is holding it lower/down

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lune-moon-nuit

Anonymous asked:

Do u supporrt noah scnapp

thewisewill80sbyers answered:

I support not harassing people when they haven’t done anything extreme or are very young and ignorant but still have good intentions behind it, I’m not a fan of any celebrity and I think some of the things he said were problematic and needed to be corrected because they were based on prejudice but I also have been told the whole story behind what people are spreading online and I don’t believe he is a “genocidal maniac” like people say, I don’t think he wants any children or people to die at all.

He also was subjected to propaganda since birth basically and that’s a tough thing to deconstruct, especially when you have around you “friends” that are actual convinced and obtuse Zionists and they tell you that the only meaning of Zionism is “for Jewish people to have a safe place” - obviously ignoring everything that the state and citizens of that place have done to the Palestinians

for now I believe he was sincere when he apologized and said that he was having conversations about it with Palestinian friends he has and learning from it, I also know people that have spoken to him directly and talk to him and know that he has donated money to help Gazans and is not currently supporting the state of Israel, this is private information because he doesn’t plan on speaking on the subject again since people have hated on him so much that he had to start therapy for that and other reasons that are also private

I’ve also been told that he as a celebrity had a contract after he went to visit Israel where he apparently couldn’t unfollow the account on ig before a certain amount of time had passed and it’s something they do for publicity, this is a diffused thing that they did and it’s why he had to wait before unfollowing even if he changed his mind about it a lot of time before he was able to do it

Taking all of this into consideration, plus his age because when he spoke up he was 19 which to me is equal to a child like it or not, in general I don’t like the amount of harassment and homophobic hate he has been receiving with people wishing him rape and death continuously when there’s people that have said and done wayyyy worse than he ever did and they didn’t receive half of the hate he has.

I don’t think it’s helping any Palestinian person to do that and the amount of time spent on hating celebrities could be used differently… also because it’s hypocrisy and virtual signaling mostly, people attack some celebrities while supporting others that have said ZERO words about the whole thing, not even shared a donation link once!

plus if you really want a celebrity to fail you have to ignore them completely, not talk shit about them… so it’s even just dumb in general, some celebrities stay in the job market just because of controversy, if you don’t like Noah you should just block and ignore him

lune-moon-nuit

That's exactly what I meant on my thread twitter where I reacted to people encouraging and wishing SA on him. And I think it's the good occasion for I share here my point here (I share you exactly how I wrote it and this is the result of months observing silently the dynamic on twitter about it, see it as a sociological commentary very interesting) :

We seriously need to talk about this once and for all, because things have gotten completely out of hand. It's time we address the hypocrisy, and the way some people believe they can be openly homophobic and antisemitic towards him by weaponizing the 2023 incident.

Let me be clear: I’m not here to justify what he did. He messed up — that’s a fact — and I genuinely hope he learned from his mistakes, whether through being held accountable by others, or through witnessing the unfolding events that only further exposed how Zionism and Benjamin Netanyahu’s far-right, genocidal policies have become a cruel and tragic extension of the very fascism the Jewish people once suffered under.

But we need to remember some crucial points: being Jewish does not mean being Zionist. There are thousands, even millions, of Jewish people who do not and will never support Zionism or the actions of the Israeli state.

I truly believe that a 19-year-old kid — possibly raised in a Jewish environment shaped by a Zionist narrative, without full awareness of the Islamophobic and anti-Arab hatred embedded in that ideology — could have reacted emotionally after the October 7 attacks, and later come to recognize his errors.

I mean… if people at that age are vulnerable enough to be groomed, then they are certainly vulnerable and impressionable enough to adopt certain beliefs out of ignorance and emotional distress.

Again, I’m not excusing the harm he caused — I’m simply offering the possibility that he has since educated himself and grown for the better (as suggested by screenshots showing him liking posts in support of Palestine and a ceasefire).

The truth is, there are countless people — of all ages — who were unaware of the complexity and gravity of the situation between Israel and Palestine.

To give a personal example: I was always told that the "conflict" was about “Muslims and Jews fighting over Jerusalem because it’s where Jesus is buried, and it’s super taboo, so no one talks about it or people get angry.” That was quite literally the propaganda we were fed in France — and I’m convinced that many others grew up with the same shallow, misleading narrative.

So when October 7 happened, for people who didn’t know any better, of course the attacks were shocking, and of course many instinctively expressed support for the victims. Who wouldn’t feel empathy for victims of terror attacks, seriously?

I still remember how, even now, countless artists simply wanted to show compassion toward the victims — without understanding the full political complexity — and I don’t think anyone could have predicted what would come next.

Let’s be clear: there are hardcore Zionists, completely devoid of empathy, for whom there is no hope — people who have always known exactly what Israel has done, and supported it anyway. But I truly believe that the overwhelming majority are people who simply didn’t understand the reality, reacted emotionally, and later became lost in the chaos.

And we can’t ignore how Zionist propaganda in European and U.S. media has shamelessly weaponized the October 7 attacks to downplay, excuse, or justify Israel’s actions since.

All this to say: there are many of us — myself included — who are now actively pro-Palestinian, who are protesting, raising awareness, and sharing as much information as possible about the Palestinian cause, but who, on October 7, 2023, felt compassion for the victims of the attacks, without understanding the full weight of the historical and political reality between Israel and Palestine since 1948. And many of us were likely labeled Zionists for having posted a single message of support for the victims of the attack.

Because the real problem here is this:
We have people who lack the full context,
We have widespread media disinformation and propaganda,
We have emotional reactions,
And we have people on the internet exploiting this tragedy as an excuse for witch hunts — harassing and hating others under the guise of moral righteousness.

Which brings us back to the real issue here.
If the actual reason you disliked Noah Schnapp was truly about Zionism, then you would simply ignore his existence. You would boycott the show, stop supporting the cast, and especially stop supporting your favorite actors — the same ones who are still friends with him to this day.

But that’s not what’s happening.
Instead, you’re using the incident as an excuse to unload your hatred onto him — flooding him with homophobic and antisemitic insults, and even going as far as wishing for him to be sexually assaulted?
Do you even realize the gravity of those words?

Let’s be clear: the obsession with weaponizing sexual violence to punish others is, based on what we’ve seen online over the past two years, much more characteristic of the behavior we've criticized in Zionists, just saying.
There is a complete loss of humanity being directed at him that is honestly beyond comprehension.

I mean — there are thousands of public figures who have done far worse than he has, at a much older and supposedly more mature age, and with zero remorse.
Yet you’re acting like he’s been chanting “Long live Israel” every day for the past two years — which simply isn’t the case.

Yes, he was wrong.
Yes, surrounding himself with people wearing “Zionism is sexy” stickers was incredibly stupid and disappointing.
Yes, liking posts in the days following the October 7 attacks that portrayed Hamas as "the villains" — without acknowledging the broader context — only made things worse.

But… he apologized.
He faced massive public backlash.
He was harassed — and continues to be — in deeply dangerous ways.
He disappeared from social media for who knows how long.
And most importantly: he hasn’t repeated those mistakes. In fact, he’s even liked posts in support of Palestine since.

So like… what more do you want?
Should he kill himself to prove he’s changed and learned his lesson?

I’m sorry, maybe I’m too idealistic in this brutal world where people seem to believe human beings are either purely good or purely evil, with no in-between.
But I still want to believe that people can learn, grow, and become better versions of themselves — and that a 20-year-old kid deserves the chance to try, without being threatened with rape or death every time he breathes, or attacked for being gay or Jewish.
Just an idea.

Because if you really believe that what happened in 2023 gives you the right to be openly homophobic and antisemitic towards him — with the excuse of, “Who cares, he’s a Zionist, I can say whatever I want lol” — then congratulations.
You’ve fallen straight into the trap of hatred, division, and dehumanization that people like Netanyahu, Trump, and far-right ideologues want to spread in all of us.

Once again:
If you think it's justified to treat this boy like this because he once associated with people who wore those kinds of stickers…
Then what are you even doing still stanning people who love, work with, support, and are still close to that same boy?

So? Are your faves problematic monsters too? What’s the situation here?
Are you being hypocritical by condemning only Noah while turning a blind eye to the fact that your favorite is his friend — someone who clearly and genuinely loves him?
Or are they all heartless monsters who deserve to be burned at the stake?

Let me offer you a theory — one that’s not only plausible but, frankly, far more realistic and human than anything you’ll find in the absolutist narratives that dominate social media:
Maybe they’re all good people, with flaws and mistakes of their own.
Maybe they’ve known this boy for over a decade, seen him regularly and in private for more than ten years.
Maybe they know far more about who he is — his intentions, his values, his efforts — than any of us ever could through a screen, basing our judgments on four seconds of decontextualized video or a few scattered Instagram likes.

Maybe they’ve seen him genuinely trying to learn and do better — with every conversation, every interaction — and that’s exactly why they believe supporting him is the right thing to do.
Because they know the truth, the one so many of you are so eager to claim as your own, preaching it as if it's absolute, when really, it just fits conveniently into a narrative of hate that thrives on bullying at any cost.

I’ve been part of the Stranger Things fandom since December, and every person I’ve seen openly hating Noah Schnapp just for existing at this point — I’ve never once seen any of them speak about what’s happening in Palestine. Not a single time. Not when the ceasefires were violated dozens of times, not when humanitarian aid was being blocked.
Not one tweet. Not one image from a protest.

But somehow, when it comes to posting viral tweets insulting Noah’s very existence — while being blatantly homophobic and antisemitic — suddenly there’s no issue. Suddenly, everyone shows up.

Let me be clear: I’m not even a fan of the guy. I genuinely don’t care about him. But having witnessed all this hypocrisy, all this so-called “activism” that’s more performative than sincere — and, above all, this violence — I’m sorry, but I couldn’t help feeling empathy, and I couldn’t stay silent.

And before you accuse me of “caring more about this boy’s life than about Palestinians,” let me stop you right there:
I speak about Palestine constantly — across all my platforms, in my daily conversations with friends and family. I’ve joined every protest I could in my own country. I’ve been physically assaulted by police for marching in support of Palestine.
So you’ve picked the wrong person to accuse of being something I’m not — just because I dare to call out a brainless, hate-fueled herd mentality disguised as moral righteousness, which so many of you blindly follow for the illusion of control or power.

Breaking news: my heart is big enough to hold empathy for everyone, and my mind is nuanced enough to distinguish between people who are truly beyond redemption — like pigs such as Trump — and a 19-year-old kid who has neither killed nor assaulted anyone, who was simply ignorant, or surrounded by the wrong people.

And sure — time may prove me wrong. Maybe one day, he’ll say or do something that truly shows he hasn’t learned anything. But as of today, nothing he has done warrants being treated like the village witch who needs to be burned at the stake.

Let’s be honest: he’s become your scapegoat.
A convenient target onto whom you project and channel all your hatred, your anger, and your violence.
And that’s not okay.

So here’s what I want to leave you with:
Let’s choose compassion. Let’s choose patience. Let’s choose to educate, to guide, to open conversations — not to destroy each other the moment someone stumbles. We gain nothing from hatred. We lose our humanity when we make cruelty a sport and call it justice.

No one learns through fear. No one grows in the face of public shaming and mass condemnation. If what we truly want is change — real, lasting change — then we have to be willing to lead with kindness, not violence. With understanding, not judgment.

This world is already fractured enough. Let’s stop tearing each other apart for the sake of being "right" or feeling powerful. Let’s remember that progress is only possible when people are given the space to reflect, to listen, to evolve — and that no one becomes better through being dehumanized.

We are not meant to be enemies. We are not meant to mirror the hatred we claim to fight against.
We are meant to care. To teach. To hold each other accountable with empathy — not with rage.

So maybe next time, before you throw the first stone, ask yourself:
“Is this helping build the world I want to live in?”

Let’s choose softness. Let’s choose healing. Let’s choose each other.

Because that’s how we change things. Together.

PS added after hypocrite I called out on this thread do exactly what I call them out :

While English is not my native language, I have devoted considerable time to crafting this message with utmost clarity and nuance. My intention is to prevent misinterpretation or distortion of my words. Regrettably, some individuals on platforms like Twitter have chosen to overlook the multiple instances where I explicitly stated that Noah Schnapp's actions were wrong, that he should not have done what he did, and that I hope he has learned from his mistakes. Instead, they have reduced my message to claims such as "she's defending and justifying this Zionist," or even more egregiously, "she's defending a Nazi."

Let's be clear: asserting that antisemitic insults directed at a Jewish person are unacceptable is not an act of Nazism; it is, in fact, the antithesis of it. If one were to accuse me of being a "Zionist sympathizer," it might at least align more closely with the topic at hand, though it would still be inaccurate given my evident pro-Palestinian activism. Participating in street protests to the point of facing tear gas from law enforcement and sharing firsthand accounts on social media are far more constructive actions than wishing death or sexual violence upon a 19-year-old who made the mistake of liking certain Instagram posts.

If you choose not to forgive him and continue to harbor resentment, that is your prerogative. However, the appropriate course of action would be to ignore his existence. For instance, I detest Chris Brown due to his history of violence against women; I choose to ignore him, boycott his music, and essentially forget he exists. That is how one handles disdain for someone's problematic life choices when believing they are beyond redemption. Even Kanye West, who has made numerous unacceptable and immoral statements over more than a decade, has not faced the level of treatment that is currently being directed at this young man.

It has taken over ten years of consistent problematic behavior for the public to finally cease making excuses for Kanye West. Yet, you find it excessive and wrong that I choose to hope a 19-year-old, who has faced consequences for his actions and has since refrained from any further misconduct, deserves a second chance to change and grow through education? His brain has not even fully developed at this point, and I'm being labeled a "Nazi" for having faith in human potential?

Once again, I acknowledge the possibility that I could be mistaken. If he fails to learn and continues to engage in problematic behavior, then he will face further consequences, and his actions will further damage his career and reputation. However, as of today, I see no reason why he should not be granted the opportunity to become a better person. When conversing with some of you, it feels as though you believe he is the one orchestrating bombings. Perhaps it's time to reassess your perspective?

Furthermore, what compelled me to write this message is my experience as a survivor of sexual violence (on multiple occasions). I am angry, hurt, and exhausted by the trivialization of our traumas. Being sexually assaulted, in my case, is a daily battle for survival. The post-traumatic stress torments me to the extent that the darkest thoughts can haunt me. This nightmare I endure is something I wouldn't wish upon my worst enemy. Yet, some of you treat this subject as if it's a casual insult to be thrown around in a schoolyard. Even for that reason alone, if you find it acceptable to wish such harm upon him, regardless of your opinion of him, you are a bad person and potentially dangerous.

Once more, I ask: what must he do to atone for his mistake? Must he take his own life? I will not apologize or feel guilty for not wanting that outcome for him and believing he doesn't deserve it. You may be capable of losing your humanity and morals through anger and a thirst for power, fueled by the hypocrisy of an absolutist mentality devoid of nuance, but that is not the case for me.

Step away from your screens, go outside, and you'll realize that, aside from irredeemable beings like dictators committing genocides or capitalist elites willing to support them out of greed and hatred, and the sheep who follow out of ignorance, there are people full of complexities. Various life factors may have led them down a certain path, one they can deviate from by meeting and conversing with individuals who expose them to different facts, truths, and perspectives, thereby opening their minds and evolving into better individuals.

We return to the same point. We're not discussing someone who has killed or assaulted anyone. We're talking about a teenager who was poorly influenced and liked posts based on false convictions. Do you sincerely expect me to believe that you've never said, done, or liked something that could be considered problematic before the age of 20? At 20, you're less naive than before, but still far from the awareness you'd possess at 28; that's a fact.

In conclusion, I urge everyone to embrace empathy, kindness, and understanding. Let us prioritize education and the sharing of knowledge over mass condemnation and hatred. By doing so, we can unite and work towards creating a better world for all.

My general observation and last though about this whole situation that need to be said :

People are so determined to hate Noah Schnapp because he has become a symbolic target onto which they can project their collective rage, frustration, and pain regarding the Israeli-Palestinian conflict—one of the most emotionally and politically charged issues of our time. For many, especially on social media, nuance has no place. There’s a black-and-white worldview where you're either a hero or a villain, with no room in between.

Noah, being a young, visible Jewish celebrity who made a harmful mistake by engaging with pro-Israeli content, has become the perfect scapegoat. For some, his identity as a Jewish person conflates automatically with Zionism, and that conflation then fuels a dangerous and reductive narrative: that he is not just someone who made a mistake, but that he is irredeemably evil. This mindset strips him of all humanity and complexity, which makes it easier to justify the extreme vitriol directed at him.

People’s refusal to grant him a second chance, even after facing consequences and showing no further signs of misconduct, reveals a deeper hypocrisy. They demand accountability and education, but when someone is young enough to still be in a process of learning and has the potential to grow, they reject the very possibility of redemption. It’s not about justice anymore—it’s about punishment, control, and moral superiority.

The moment someone dares to say, “I’m pro-Palestinian, and I still don’t believe this boy is a monster,” it deeply unsettles them. It threatens the absoluteness of their worldview. It introduces complexity and moral responsibility, which means they might have to rethink their own behaviors—their own likes, retweets, and public condemnations. It's much easier to weaponize identity politics than it is to face the uncomfortable truth that even "the enemy" might be human.

It also reveals how performative much of this outrage is. If the true goal were justice, growth, and liberation, then the focus would be on systems, ideologies, and actions—not on a 19-year-old who made a mistake and is no longer repeating it. The disproportionate obsession with him speaks volumes: it’s not about Palestine anymore. It’s about ego, mob mentality, and the illusion of righteousness.

Many of them have likely done or said problematic things in their pasts—but because they weren't in the spotlight, they weren't held accountable in the same public way. Instead of recognizing this and extending the grace they once needed, they project their guilt and shame onto someone else.

Dehumanizing Noah is more comfortable than acknowledging he might be, like most people, a product of his environment, capable of ignorance but also of change. To admit that would mean accepting that people are complex, and that healing—whether personal or political—requires uncomfortable conversations, not just condemnation.

If they truly hated him, they could simply ignore him, boycott him, and move on—just like we do with artists whose values we reject. But they don’t. They keep his name in their mouths, not because they care about justice, but because outrage gives them power, relevance, and the illusion of moral superiority.

To those who continue to justify their hatred and violent obsession with Noah Schnapp:

You often claim that your anger is righteous, that it’s about justice for Palestine, and that Noah deserves the harassment, threats, and slurs because he “supported genocide” or “showed his true colors.” But let’s break that down with clarity, honesty, and integrity—because what’s happening is not justice. It’s cruelty disguised as activism.

1. “He supported genocide.”

Noah liked and engaged with pro-Israel content, which is undeniably harmful and upsetting. That was wrong. But supporting a narrative, especially as a teenager who may not fully understand the global implications, is not the same as actively committing or enabling genocide.
Did he hold a weapon? Did he drop bombs? Did he sit in a seat of power and fund military violence? No. He was, at worst, ignorant.
And ignorance is not a death sentence. Ignorance is an opportunity to learn. If we scream that people must "educate themselves," then we have to create space for education—not eliminate people the second they show they need it.

2. “He’s a Zionist.”

You’ve labeled him that without a single statement from him explicitly identifying as one. You’ve turned a presumed political identity into a reason to dehumanize someone.
Even if he had once internalized Zionist narratives (like many young Jews growing up in the West do), that doesn't mean he is beyond change. Political views are not permanent. They evolve—especially in young people. Demonizing a 19-year-old instead of engaging in dialogue ensures no growth. It only feeds more division and hatred.

3. “He never apologized.”

First, he has faced enormous backlash, public scrutiny, and intense consequences. That in itself has been a form of social accountability. (and actually, he did apologized but you all are convinced they aren't sincere which is my second point here)
Second, let’s be honest: if he did apologize (again), many of you wouldn’t believe it. You’ve decided he’s beyond redemption, so nothing he says or does will be enough. That’s not justice. That’s vengeance.
Real justice is about restoration—not humiliation.

4. “He deserves to suffer for what he did.”

No. No one deserves rape threats, death wishes, homophobic or antisemitic slurs.
If you’re advocating for liberation but simultaneously using tools of violence to push people down, you’ve already betrayed your cause.
Wishing suffering on someone doesn’t liberate Palestinians. It doesn’t educate a confused 19-year-old. It only turns you into what you claim to stand against.

5. “If he’s old enough to have a platform, he’s old enough to face the consequences.”

True. But “consequences” are not the same as abuse. They’re not the same as dehumanization.
Real consequences involve learning, evolving, losing opportunities, and being held accountable—not being targeted by thousands of people who scream for your death daily.
If we don’t differentiate between accountability and harassment, then we’ve lost the meaning of justice altogether.

6. “He’s white, rich, and protected. He’ll be fine.”

Privilege doesn’t erase the harm that sustained mass bullying can cause.
Even privileged people deserve to be treated as humans. Being white or rich doesn’t mean someone should endure violent abuse—especially from the very people who are supposedly fighting for a more compassionate and just world.
Also, if he “will be fine,” why are you still so obsessed with trying to destroy him? Either he doesn’t matter, or he does. You can’t have it both ways.

Why this is all counterproductive:

  • You’re not educating him. You’re turning him into a symbol of your anger.
    And symbols can’t grow, learn, or evolve—only people can.
    If your goal is justice for Palestine, focus on the systems, the actual perpetrators, and amplifying Palestinian voices.
    This boy is not the oppressor you think he is. He is not the IDF. He is not Netanyahu. He is not the U.S. government. And every second you spend attacking him is a second you’re not fighting the real forces of oppression.
  • You’re undermining your own movement.
    People outside the echo chamber see this hate and chaos and assume that being pro-Palestinian is about cancel culture, not human rights. That is deeply unfair to Palestinians and their suffering.
    Don’t turn activism into bullying. Don’t confuse a mob with a movement.
  • You are using real trauma (yours or others') as an excuse to project violence.
    For some of us who are victims of real violence, weaponizing words like "rape" or "abuse" as throwaway insults is deeply offensive and retraumatizing.
    You don’t fight pain with more pain. That’s not activism. That’s just hurting people because you’re hurting—and that’s not the way forward.
  • You are refusing to believe in change.
    And if you don’t believe in change, what are you fighting for? Justice is about making things better, not making sure someone you hate gets destroyed.
    What if, instead of pushing people away, we opened the door for them to walk toward truth?
    What if we said: “You messed up. We need you to do better—but we still see your humanity.”
    That’s how you change the world. Not through hate. Through education, through dialogue, through belief in people’s ability to grow.

So ask yourself honestly: Do you want a better world, or do you just want to watch someone fall?
Because if it's the latter, you’re not a revolutionary—you’re just addicted to the spectacle.
Let’s choose education over cancellation. Accountability over cruelty. And healing over hatred.

Honestly, I believe that many people would be indifferent and simply ignore him—just as you claim to wish cancel culture could be handled: with silence and disengagement rather than obsessive public shaming. But the truth is, your violence, your contradictions, and your hypocrisy have created the complete opposite effect. You are inadvertently provoking immense empathy and compassion toward him.

Just today, I came across a tweet with 69,000 likes portraying Kanye West as a victim—this, despite the fact that he has, for over a decade, repeatedly made deeply immoral and harmful statements, including, most recently, a horrifying admission of having sexually assaulted his six-year-old cousin when he was 14. This is someone who has openly aligned himself with Nazism, proudly supported Trump, and expressed admiration for racists and fascists—and yet, he continues to be excused, protected, and endlessly defended by the general public, who justify it all under the banner of his creative genius and bipolar disorder, despite the fact that he is a grown man in his forties.

And yet, Noah Schnapp made one mistake—at 19 years old—by surrounding himself with the wrong people and engaging emotionally with a few posts and one Instagram story. He did not repeat the behavior. He did not double down. And still, three years later, he is treated as though he were the one dropping bombs on Gaza.

This level of disproportion not only distorts the narrative—it alienates people from your cause. It disgusts those who witness the abusive behavior of people who scream that they are "defending Palestine" by viciously attacking Noah. In doing so, you are not protecting Palestine—you are harming the very integrity of that advocacy.

You are turning Noah Schnapp into a martyr of the internet’s abusive witch hunt culture, and in doing so, you are shifting the focus away from the actual harm of the ideologies he may have once naively believed. Your obsession becomes the distraction. Your hatred becomes the spectacle.

ven0moir

agreed. i was angry for his actions and even tho it wasn’t okay, like OP said its hard to deconstruct internalized propaganda– but I never hated him or wished him ill. most noah haters focus more on hating him ( and use that as an excuse to be homophobic and disgusting ) than supporting Palestinians, as if that helps at all.

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reo-bylerwagon

this parallel literally came to me in a dream

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sorry but i rarely come across hq screenshots-

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I know mock-ups need to have simple yet kind of realistic placeholder content (for the wordcount and formatting, mostly), but come on.

(what i highlight is def not only pertinent to the real championship game)

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this is what the scoreboard of the game looked like just before lucas's basket (sorry idk anything about basketball so idk how many points he scored to add to those 68). It's also the last time we see it. so there were 69 points, but not baskets by the Tigers and certainly not the same score. but still, the specific number matches. hm.

cypherheartnokey

This also foreshadows Chance (Tigers 🐯) VS. Mike (Falcons 🦅).

Which makes total & undeniable sense according to their personalities, symbolism & even physical appearance.

Mike has been associated with falcons through that falcon painting he has that always shows up in every season.

Tigers 🐅 -> Power, ferocity, primal instincts, solitude, bravado, raw physical strength, brute force, physical size, beauty, aggressive, territorial, bold, instinct-driven -> Chance

Falcons 🦅 -> not as physically strong as tigers, but have Vision, speed, precision, freedom, intellect, spiritual elevation, cunning, intelligence, strategy & capacity to see the bigger picture. -> Mike

The Duffers clearly associated Mike with falcons also because of their physical appearance, more notably (& funnily) Finn’s nose which holds a resemblance to a falcon beak. They probably laughed about it with Finn too. Lmfao

***

The newspaper is preparing two possible outcomes (timelines/ realities): either the Tigers win, OR the Falcons win.

As we saw in the show, the Tigers 🐅 won. This is meant to symbolize how Will is going to TEMPORARILY feel happy with a Tiger (such as Lucas was among the Tigers).

***

I even believe they are actually going to depict Will losing his virginity to Chance. *GASP*.

Why on EARTH would they do that, you ask?

Because the day after the Tigers “won” & they illegally “partied” all night in a hideout, we see Lucas waking up with a huge red 69 sign over his head, extremely hungover, tired & nauseous, feeling a violent need to throw up. Jason makes fun of Lucas: “The first time always feels like you’re being split in half!”.

Lucas & Will tried to grow up prematurely, amidst the wrong crowd (with the wrong person).

Yet, Lucas still keeps hanging around & admiring the Tigers for quite some time after that, such as Will is also going to.

***

However, it was all an illusion.

Later on, we realize the Tigers are actually evil witch hunters & they go after Eddie (foreshadowing them going after Mike in s5, for some reason we are yet to know).

Lucas keeps hanging around them while spying for his nerd friends. I believe Will is algo going to be secretly playing on both teams & being a spy for a while (in order to get the upper hand on the situation, such as Lucas did).

***

The leader of the Tigers, Jason, ends up dying by being split in half. Lucas sees his true (evil) colors & goes back to his nerd friends— but not without major damage to his true friend & lover, Max.

This means Chance is probably going to die/suffer/lose in a comically ironic way too (probably by Will’s hands; my intuition says Chance’s getting dumped, humbled or humiliated somehow). But, again, Mike will still be VERY hurt (either physically or emotionally).

***

I think at some point there will be a major arc of redemption, forgiveness & rekindling for both Mike & Will. -> related to Running Up That Hill’s themes of empathy, understanding & stepping into each other’s shoes. 💙💛

(Which are also major themes for Lucas & Max btw).

***


No one— NO ONE— can change my mind about this theory.


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Tagging: @greenfiend @ven0moir @bylerlipglances

cypherheartnokey

@celesthing Thank you for the comment! 🙏 I’m replying to you here!

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I think that is exactly what is going to happen.

Many ppl don’t know this, but Lucas danced with & was caressed by a cheerleader girl during that jock party in Benny’s Burgers— even though he doesn’t remember any of it the next day. This is revealed on the “Lucas on the Line” book.

This detail further connects that event to a romantic/ sexual encounter.

We all know what else happened that night: someone was murdered & mutilated horrifically. Chrissy.

All these things are signs that SOMETHING DIED that day. This ‘something’ could be innocence, childhood, naïveté, oblivion, etc.

For Lucas it was partying, drinking, being hungover (& perhaps something else) for the 1st time.

For Will, I fear it will not only involve drugs but also a depiction of something that is in very close association with his buried past trauma.

***

I’m also gonna add something interesting that I realized shortly after writing my previous reblog.

Chance is a Tiger. 🐅

Mike is a Falcon. 🦅

Both of the above are natural predators.

Will… has been consistently associated to Rabbits/Bunnies 🐇 & also Deers 🦌.

Both of them natural prey.

But… it’s intriguing that Will is associated to both animals, even though a Falcon 🦅 could never hunt a Deer 🦌.

Then, I recalled a BTS picture the Duffers posted in early filming, 2024. They named it something akin to “jock #2 locker” (yeah yeah very clever Duffers…). This pic is on one of my bychance posts if anyone’s curious.

It was a locker that held a basketball 🏀 & a Physical Science book 📕 inside it. It then had a pencil sketch of a car 🚗 glued to its door, but also a photo of a Deer 🦌.

Guys— this is Chance’s locker.


🏀 Basketball:

-> Chance plays it.

📕 Physical Science book:

-> a class Chance is taking & likely interested in;

-> also a clear metaphor for certain “Physical Activities”™️ (s1 Mike to Nancy: “Studying what? Human anatomy?”).

🚗 Pencil sketch of a car:

-> Will sketched it & gifted it to Chance;

-> Chance really liked it & posted it on his locker door;

-> also, incredibly noteworthy that it’s a simple, effortless, quick & kinda half-assed pencil sketch for Will’s skill level— which creates a stark contrast against the beautiful, complex & colorful paintings he always dedicates to Mike.

-> this particular car is also a symbol frequently used by Netflix to indicate bisexual men (in this case Chance). They did this in shows like “Heartstopper”, “Red, White & Royal Blue”, & even Stranger Things with Steve in his s1 bedroom.

🦌 Deer photo:

-> Tigers 🐅 like Deers 🦌. Chance likes Will. He posted a Deer pic on his locker.

-> Will is a Deer 🦌 to Chance’s Tiger 🐅.

-> However, this is not the real Will. Because he’s not actually a Deer 🦌, but something smaller, sweeter & more fragile— a Rabbit 🐇.

-> And this Rabbit 🐇 is a prey not exactly suitable for a Tiger 🐅, but maybe for something more proportional, like… a Falcon 🦅.

-> The analogy above means, Will is not himself when he’s around Chance. He will be succumbing to peer pressure & disrespecting his own limits/ boundaries. Pretending he’s ‘stronger/ tougher’ than he actually is. Paralleling s1 Nancy.

-> Fun But Kinda Fucked Up Bonus: Deer 🦌 = Viado (in Portuguese 🇵🇹). However… in Brazilian Portuguese 🇧🇷, “Viado” is also the most common slur used for gay men; equivalent to “fag”.

ven0moir

your brain is so massive holy shit. the way my jaw dropped when you mentioned the picture of a deer in chance's locker and the breakdown of the car sketch vs the painting he gave mike ...

as an artist, when your heart's not in it, my drawings have no color, they're quick sketches, i don't care about anatomy and it is more about producing something rather than enjoying what you produce

the only note i have is that whatever happens between chance and will i am pretty certain it'll be consensual. there might be drugs/alcohol involved if it happens during a party, but the *worst* i see it going is will being left with a feeling akin to s1 nancy when she seemed off after being with steve. or maybe that's what i'm hoping for ... like, im fr scared of how bad this storyline could get and hope the duffers have tact and don't put will through more suffering when he already has his UD trauma to unpack

other than that??? all of this is already canon to me

starrycloak

the locker picture dissapeared for me, but since it was what sold the deal to me, here:

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ven0moir

you're SO REAL for this. i have similar fears ( like i hope they do this well & not just some ploy to 'make mike jealous', that they don't make chance seem like some cartoon villain, etc, etc ) but with the way they've done byler so far there are only so many ways they can resolve it atp and also like you pointed out the evidence is there

ven0moir

also just … casually noticed this:

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I literally had to go search for the actual ball bc I thought I was hallucinating that W for a second and

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Wilson? Close enough to “William” if you ask me 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀 but surely that’s a coincidence huh

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this parallel literally came to me in a dream

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starrycloak

sorry but i rarely come across hq screenshots-

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I know mock-ups need to have simple yet kind of realistic placeholder content (for the wordcount and formatting, mostly), but come on.

(what i highlight is def not only pertinent to the real championship game)

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this is what the scoreboard of the game looked like just before lucas's basket (sorry idk anything about basketball so idk how many points he scored to add to those 68). It's also the last time we see it. so there were 69 points, but not baskets by the Tigers and certainly not the same score. but still, the specific number matches. hm.

cypherheartnokey

This also foreshadows Chance (Tigers 🐯) VS. Mike (Falcons 🦅).

Which makes total & undeniable sense according to their personalities, symbolism & even physical appearance.

Mike has been associated with falcons through that falcon painting he has that always shows up in every season.

Tigers 🐅 -> Power, ferocity, primal instincts, solitude, bravado, raw physical strength, brute force, physical size, beauty, aggressive, territorial, bold, instinct-driven -> Chance

Falcons 🦅 -> not as physically strong as tigers, but have Vision, speed, precision, freedom, intellect, spiritual elevation, cunning, intelligence, strategy & capacity to see the bigger picture. -> Mike

The Duffers clearly associated Mike with falcons also because of their physical appearance, more notably (& funnily) Finn’s nose which holds a resemblance to a falcon beak. They probably laughed about it with Finn too. Lmfao

***

The newspaper is preparing two possible outcomes (timelines/ realities): either the Tigers win, OR the Falcons win.

As we saw in the show, the Tigers 🐅 won. This is meant to symbolize how Will is going to TEMPORARILY feel happy with a Tiger (such as Lucas was among the Tigers).

***

I even believe they are actually going to depict Will losing his virginity to Chance. *GASP*.

Why on EARTH would they do that, you ask?

Because the day after the Tigers “won” & they illegally “partied” all night in a hideout, we see Lucas waking up with a huge red 69 sign over his head, extremely hungover, tired & nauseous, feeling a violent need to throw up. Jason makes fun of Lucas: “The first time always feels like you’re being split in half!”.

Lucas & Will tried to grow up prematurely, amidst the wrong crowd (with the wrong person).

Yet, Lucas still keeps hanging around & admiring the Tigers for quite some time after that, such as Will is also going to.

***

However, it was all an illusion.

Later on, we realize the Tigers are actually evil witch hunters & they go after Eddie (foreshadowing them going after Mike in s5, for some reason we are yet to know).

Lucas keeps hanging around them while spying for his nerd friends. I believe Will is algo going to be secretly playing on both teams & being a spy for a while (in order to get the upper hand on the situation, such as Lucas did).

***

The leader of the Tigers, Jason, ends up dying by being split in half. Lucas sees his true (evil) colors & goes back to his nerd friends— but not without major damage to his true friend & lover, Max.

This means Chance is probably going to die/suffer/lose in a comically ironic way too (probably by Will’s hands; my intuition says Chance’s getting dumped, humbled or humiliated somehow). But, again, Mike will still be VERY hurt (either physically or emotionally).

***

I think at some point there will be a major arc of redemption, forgiveness & rekindling for both Mike & Will. -> related to Running Up That Hill’s themes of empathy, understanding & stepping into each other’s shoes. 💙💛

(Which are also major themes for Lucas & Max btw).

***


No one— NO ONE— can change my mind about this theory.


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Tagging: @greenfiend @ven0moir @bylerlipglances

cypherheartnokey

@celesthing Thank you for the comment! 🙏 I’m replying to you here!

***

I think that is exactly what is going to happen.

Many ppl don’t know this, but Lucas danced with & was caressed by a cheerleader girl during that jock party in Benny’s Burgers— even though he doesn’t remember any of it the next day. This is revealed on the “Lucas on the Line” book.

This detail further connects that event to a romantic/ sexual encounter.

We all know what else happened that night: someone was murdered & mutilated horrifically. Chrissy.

All these things are signs that SOMETHING DIED that day. This ‘something’ could be innocence, childhood, naïveté, oblivion, etc.

For Lucas it was partying, drinking, being hungover (& perhaps something else) for the 1st time.

For Will, I fear it will not only involve drugs but also a depiction of something that is in very close association with his buried past trauma.

***

I’m also gonna add something interesting that I realized shortly after writing my previous reblog.

Chance is a Tiger. 🐅

Mike is a Falcon. 🦅

Both of the above are natural predators.

Will… has been consistently associated to Rabbits/Bunnies 🐇 & also Deers 🦌.

Both of them natural prey.

But… it’s intriguing that Will is associated to both animals, even though a Falcon 🦅 could never hunt a Deer 🦌.

Then, I recalled a BTS picture the Duffers posted in early filming, 2024. They named it something akin to “jock #2 locker” (yeah yeah very clever Duffers…). This pic is on one of my bychance posts if anyone’s curious.

It was a locker that held a basketball 🏀 & a Physical Science book 📕 inside it. It then had a pencil sketch of a car 🚗 glued to its door, but also a photo of a Deer 🦌.

Guys— this is Chance’s locker.


🏀 Basketball:

-> Chance plays it.

📕 Physical Science book:

-> a class Chance is taking & likely interested in;

-> also a clear metaphor for certain “Physical Activities”™️ (s1 Mike to Nancy: “Studying what? Human anatomy?”).

🚗 Pencil sketch of a car:

-> Will sketched it & gifted it to Chance;

-> Chance really liked it & posted it on his locker door;

-> also, incredibly noteworthy that it’s a simple, effortless, quick & kinda half-assed pencil sketch for Will’s skill level— which creates a stark contrast against the beautiful, complex & colorful paintings he always dedicates to Mike.

-> this particular car is also a symbol frequently used by Netflix to indicate bisexual men (in this case Chance). They did this in shows like “Heartstopper”, “Red, White & Royal Blue”, & even Stranger Things with Steve in his s1 bedroom.

🦌 Deer photo:

-> Tigers 🐅 like Deers 🦌. Chance likes Will. He posted a Deer pic on his locker.

-> Will is a Deer 🦌 to Chance’s Tiger 🐅.

-> However, this is not the real Will. Because he’s not actually a Deer 🦌, but something smaller, sweeter & more fragile— a Rabbit 🐇.

-> And this Rabbit 🐇 is a prey not exactly suitable for a Tiger 🐅, but maybe for something more proportional, like… a Falcon 🦅.

-> The analogy above means, Will is not himself when he’s around Chance. He will be succumbing to peer pressure & disrespecting his own limits/ boundaries. Pretending he’s ‘stronger/ tougher’ than he actually is. Paralleling s1 Nancy.

-> Fun But Kinda Fucked Up Bonus: Deer 🦌 = Viado (in Portuguese 🇵🇹). However… in Brazilian Portuguese 🇧🇷, “Viado” is also the most common slur used for gay men; equivalent to “fag”.

ven0moir

your brain is so massive holy shit. the way my jaw dropped when you mentioned the picture of a deer in chance's locker and the breakdown of the car sketch vs the painting he gave mike ...

as an artist, when your heart's not in it, my drawings have no color, they're quick sketches, i don't care about anatomy and it is more about producing something rather than enjoying what you produce

the only note i have is that whatever happens between chance and will i am pretty certain it'll be consensual. there might be drugs/alcohol involved if it happens during a party, but the *worst* i see it going is will being left with a feeling akin to s1 nancy when she seemed off after being with steve. or maybe that's what i'm hoping for ... like, im fr scared of how bad this storyline could get and hope the duffers have tact and don't put will through more suffering when he already has his UD trauma to unpack

other than that??? all of this is already canon to me

starrycloak

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ven0moir

you’re SO REAL for this. i have similar fears ( like i hope they do this well & not just some ploy to ‘make mike jealous’, that they don’t make chance seem like some cartoon villain, etc, etc ) but with the way they’ve done byler so far there are only so many ways they can resolve it atp and also like you pointed out the evidence is there

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hey im a byler newly interested in the bychance stuff and my mind is actually kind of blown rn like considering will and mike are in their "s1/2 jancy era" this season it'd so fit in with a scene paralleling the stancy makeout scene in the bathroom. also why else would ross post a photo of a random jock's locker instead of lucas' or mike's or something if it wasnt plot significant? possibly a scene reminiscent to that stancy locker scene too?

i havent read your posts fully through yet and i plan to asap but i was wondering if the fact that will was romantically pursued at the beginning of s4 immediately following him rejecting it couldve been foreshadowing for the beginning of s5 all along? i mean it's likely this time with chance it'll be mutual and consensual, but essentially will wouldn't really be into it. just a lil thought. duffers love parallels and subversion so

omg the way i smiled so big with this one! im SO happy you made those connections too, i made a post about this specific topic here if you want to check that one out !

also the way you just blew my mind too bc i hadn’t even considered the fact will was romantically pursued at the start of s4, you’re SO right, that could definitely have been foreshadowing. i actually think cypherheartnokey might’ve talked about something like that before in some of their posts–they’re the OG bychancer lmao so def recommend checking them out too whenever you have time!

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Anonymous asked:

I am a byler but bychance happening even in a minor way could mirror the jancy/stancy stuff from earlier seasons. Which would be especially appropriate given that the boys will be looking for missing holly like they looked for missing will. will being the nancy this time and chance being his steve, but this time the bully won’t be redeemed like they originally were going to do with steve but decided to do cause they liked Joe so much. It is a perfect way to show that will has truly ripped off the band aid and that he feels he has no chance, it gives him some agency and another experience of romance (of sorts) outside of Mike, it makes it so audiences can’t label Will some sort of homewrecker lol, and it most importantly will a good device to wake up the audiences to show that Mike does feel that way about Will when he shows typical jealousy and romantic pining. Something they need to fully lay into this time they can’t be subtle anymore. and yes chance would be the perfect vessel to use for vecna to sort of ~seduce~ will to the dark side so to speak. like literally lol that would be appropriately and deliciously creepy I mean vecna seems to stop at nothing to get Will for whatever reasons (my guess is some powers?) so why not be sneaky deeky about it and lure him to you under the guise of cute boy

you’re so real for this, anon, and touched on some very solid points.

  1. “it could mirror the jancy/stancy stuff from earlier seasons.” ✅
  2. “will could be the stancy to chance’s steve but the bully isn’t redeemed this time” ✅
  3. “giving will agency after crushing his heart” ✅
  4. “good narrative device to wake up the audience by SHOWING mike’s reaction to them” ✅
  5. “vecna strategically using chance to weaken will’s stance with the party” ✅

    without bychance, the byler reveal is reduced to mike having a gay awakening/realization ( either during a life-or-death situation a la mileven or via a vecna-induced dream sequence ) at whatever point, which i’ve heard the GA talk about in arguments AGAINST byler. that’s the only way they see it happening, and they don’t buy it. and with reason bc either it makes byler mileven 2.0, or it retcons mileven which isn’t a very smart way to resolve their storyline. mileven deserves its justice too

    there’s just something so compelling and rich to me about this. because if we think about it, if he sees bychance together at one point, yes, there’s the jealousy aspect of it. but the thing is, mike is entering s5 with advantage. will’s the one utterly in the trenches. Mike has:

    1. el’s letter where she talks about will painting for a girl that he likes.

    2. said painting, which was done by will, was a gift for him accompanied by a super tender speech. ( he just needs to see beyond the lie attached to it, if he hasn’t already )

    and it’s definitely not the same thing to see will with a girl, than it is to see him with a boy. seeing him with a girl would mean all hope is lost. but with a boy? especially if this is contrasted to the other two Very On The Nose hints he has? yeah, it hits different. he has the literal bigger picture in his hands.

    chances are mike’s realization won’t be “omg im gay and in love with will” it’ll be “oh … my god …. will is in love with me …? WILL’S … IN LOVE WITH ME? LIKE FR FR ……. ITS NOT SOME STUPID CHILDHOOD DREAM OR FANTASY, THIS IS REAL!?!?!” and he’ll probably still have no guarantee, but THAT realization, that there’s a *real chance* he and will could be together if he’s brave enough will MOTIVATE him into action, as opposed to FORCING him to it. and AFTER we’ve witnessed his behavior ( show don’t tell wink wonk ), then THAT is when it’d make sense to use vecna as a narrative device for whatever else the story needs or have him confess or whatever else.

    and sure, the duffers might’ve figured something else out without chance or a temporary love interest for will to achieve this purpose. but they’re towing a thin line between making byler feel deserved vs making will feel like he was a second choice/like byler was a last minute plan.

    i don’t anticipate to be right ofc! but the way we’ve been picking up on bychance evidence lately makes it feel very intentionally and strategically placed. like, they *want* us finding it … and it’s just way too logical imho. it fits within the narrative like the missing piece of the puzzle.
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this parallel literally came to me in a dream

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starrycloak

sorry but i rarely come across hq screenshots-

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I know mock-ups need to have simple yet kind of realistic placeholder content (for the wordcount and formatting, mostly), but come on.

(what i highlight is def not only pertinent to the real championship game)

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this is what the scoreboard of the game looked like just before lucas's basket (sorry idk anything about basketball so idk how many points he scored to add to those 68). It's also the last time we see it. so there were 69 points, but not baskets by the Tigers and certainly not the same score. but still, the specific number matches. hm.

cypherheartnokey

This also foreshadows Chance (Tigers 🐯) VS. Mike (Falcons 🦅).

Which makes total & undeniable sense according to their personalities, symbolism & even physical appearance.

Mike has been associated with falcons through that falcon painting he has that always shows up in every season.

Tigers 🐅 -> Power, ferocity, primal instincts, solitude, bravado, raw physical strength, brute force, physical size, beauty, aggressive, territorial, bold, instinct-driven -> Chance

Falcons 🦅 -> not as physically strong as tigers, but have Vision, speed, precision, freedom, intellect, spiritual elevation, cunning, intelligence, strategy & capacity to see the bigger picture. -> Mike

The Duffers clearly associated Mike with falcons also because of their physical appearance, more notably (& funnily) Finn’s nose which holds a resemblance to a falcon beak. They probably laughed about it with Finn too. Lmfao

***

The newspaper is preparing two possible outcomes (timelines/ realities): either the Tigers win, OR the Falcons win.

As we saw in the show, the Tigers 🐅 won. This is meant to symbolize how Will is going to TEMPORARILY feel happy with a Tiger (such as Lucas was among the Tigers).

***

I even believe they are actually going to depict Will losing his virginity to Chance. *GASP*.

Why on EARTH would they do that, you ask?

Because the day after the Tigers “won” & they illegally “partied” all night in a hideout, we see Lucas waking up with a huge red 69 sign over his head, extremely hungover, tired & nauseous, feeling a violent need to throw up. Jason makes fun of Lucas: “The first time always feels like you’re being split in half!”.

Lucas & Will tried to grow up prematurely, amidst the wrong crowd (with the wrong person).

Yet, Lucas still keeps hanging around & admiring the Tigers for quite some time after that, such as Will is also going to.

***

However, it was all an illusion.

Later on, we realize the Tigers are actually evil witch hunters & they go after Eddie (foreshadowing them going after Mike in s5, for some reason we are yet to know).

Lucas keeps hanging around them while spying for his nerd friends. I believe Will is algo going to be secretly playing on both teams & being a spy for a while (in order to get the upper hand on the situation, such as Lucas did).

***

The leader of the Tigers, Jason, ends up dying by being split in half. Lucas sees his true (evil) colors & goes back to his nerd friends— but not without major damage to his true friend & lover, Max.

This means Chance is probably going to die/suffer/lose in a comically ironic way too (probably by Will’s hands; my intuition says Chance’s getting dumped, humbled or humiliated somehow). But, again, Mike will still be VERY hurt (either physically or emotionally).

***

I think at some point there will be a major arc of redemption, forgiveness & rekindling for both Mike & Will. -> related to Running Up That Hill’s themes of empathy, understanding & stepping into each other’s shoes. 💙💛

(Which are also major themes for Lucas & Max btw).

***


No one— NO ONE— can change my mind about this theory.


__________

Tagging: @greenfiend @ven0moir @bylerlipglances

cypherheartnokey

@celesthing Thank you for the comment! 🙏 I’m replying to you here!

***

I think that is exactly what is going to happen.

Many ppl don’t know this, but Lucas danced with & was caressed by a cheerleader girl during that jock party in Benny’s Burgers— even though he doesn’t remember any of it the next day. This is revealed on the “Lucas on the Line” book.

This detail further connects that event to a romantic/ sexual encounter.

We all know what else happened that night: someone was murdered & mutilated horrifically. Chrissy.

All these things are signs that SOMETHING DIED that day. This ‘something’ could be innocence, childhood, naïveté, oblivion, etc.

For Lucas it was partying, drinking, being hungover (& perhaps something else) for the 1st time.

For Will, I fear it will not only involve drugs but also a depiction of something that is in very close association with his buried past trauma.

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I’m also gonna add something interesting that I realized shortly after writing my previous reblog.

Chance is a Tiger. 🐅

Mike is a Falcon. 🦅

Both of the above are natural predators.

Will… has been consistently associated to Rabbits/Bunnies 🐇 & also Deers 🦌.

Both of them natural prey.

But… it’s intriguing that Will is associated to both animals, even though a Falcon 🦅 could never hunt a Deer 🦌.

Then, I recalled a BTS picture the Duffers posted in early filming, 2024. They named it something akin to “jock #2 locker” (yeah yeah very clever Duffers…). This pic is on one of my bychance posts if anyone’s curious.

It was a locker that held a basketball 🏀 & a Physical Science book 📕 inside it. It then had a pencil sketch of a car 🚗 glued to its door, but also a photo of a Deer 🦌.

Guys— this is Chance’s locker.


🏀 Basketball:

-> Chance plays it.

📕 Physical Science book:

-> a class Chance is taking & likely interested in;

-> also a clear metaphor for certain “Physical Activities”™️ (s1 Mike to Nancy: “Studying what? Human anatomy?”).

🚗 Pencil sketch of a car:

-> Will sketched it & gifted it to Chance;

-> Chance really liked it & posted it on his locker door;

-> also, incredibly noteworthy that it’s a simple, effortless, quick & kinda half-assed pencil sketch for Will’s skill level— which creates a stark contrast against the beautiful, complex & colorful paintings he always dedicates to Mike.

-> this particular car is also a symbol frequently used by Netflix to indicate bisexual men (in this case Chance). They did this in shows like “Heartstopper”, “Red, White & Royal Blue”, & even Stranger Things with Steve in his s1 bedroom.

🦌 Deer photo:

-> Tigers 🐅 like Deers 🦌. Chance likes Will. He posted a Deer pic on his locker.

-> Will is a Deer 🦌 to Chance’s Tiger 🐅.

-> However, this is not the real Will. Because he’s not actually a Deer 🦌, but something smaller, sweeter & more fragile— a Rabbit 🐇.

-> And this Rabbit 🐇 is a prey not exactly suitable for a Tiger 🐅, but maybe for something more proportional, like… a Falcon 🦅.

-> The analogy above means, Will is not himself when he’s around Chance. He will be succumbing to peer pressure & disrespecting his own limits/ boundaries. Pretending he’s ‘stronger/ tougher’ than he actually is. Paralleling s1 Nancy.

-> Fun But Kinda Fucked Up Bonus: Deer 🦌 = Viado (in Portuguese 🇵🇹). However… in Brazilian Portuguese 🇧🇷, “Viado” is also the most common slur used for gay men; equivalent to “fag”.

ven0moir

your brain is so massive holy shit. the way my jaw dropped when you mentioned the picture of a deer in chance’s locker and the breakdown of the car sketch vs the painting he gave mike …

as an artist, when your heart’s not in it, my drawings have no color, they’re quick sketches, i don’t care about anatomy and it is more about producing something rather than enjoying what you produce

the only note i have is that whatever happens between chance and will i am pretty certain it’ll be consensual. there might be drugs/alcohol involved if it happens during a party, but the *worst* i see it going is will being left with a feeling akin to s1 nancy when she seemed off after being with steve. or maybe that’s what i’m hoping for … like, im fr scared of how bad this storyline could get and hope the duffers have tact and don’t put will through more suffering when he already has his UD trauma to unpack

other than that??? all of this is already canon to me

bychance its 100% happening yall im betting actual money on it

BYCHANCE - meta breakdown

so i was tagged in this AMAZING thread. and god, it was delicious. it also made me realize something.

i want to start by pointing out the meta behind nancy and steve’s interaction bc as unimpressed as nancy seems with him, he’s sending the audience the subconscious message that the show can get super silly and far-fetched with its metaphors and analogies.

this reminded me of another scene in S2 where i felt the duffers/characters were talking to the audience and explaining the meta in very broad strokes.

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The meta commentary is hilarious, and easy for the GA to pick up on and giggle a bit–Max represents a large portion of the audience–she liked the story, sure, but she considers it derivative and wished it had more originality.

What I learn from this is:
The showrunners are aware of how derivative the show is, but are actually banking on it to hide the truth in plain sight. This will only be obvious in retrospect.

The show feels derivative ( and it is meant to feel so ) because the Duffers bank on the familiarity we have with the tropes they use so we as the audience make subconscious connections. But what makes the show original is how the context of the Derivative World designed by the Dufers affects and shapes the emotional realm, and thus growth, of these characters.

This line of thought reminds me a lot of this statement by Shawn Levy:

“People talk about mythology and The Upside Down ( the derivative aspects of the show that seem familiar/nostalgic ), and all that is huge, but the magic ( what makes the show original ) of S5 are the characters who find sense of belonging with others and through that connection, become heroes.”

Now, you might be wondering, how does Bychance fit into this? Well, so far in my deep-dive into Bychance meta, I’ve come to associate the word risk with odds and chance.

“Do you accept the RISK?

Following this logic, then Bychance is ‘derivative’ in the sense that it is a combination of the tropes we previously observed in Doomed From The Start dynamics. In order of appearance these were Stancy, Mileven, Boyce and hell, probably even Karen and Billy.

But what’s going to feel original about Bychance is the emotional depth and growth they lead to.

ITS A START, NOT A REACH

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Similarly to Hopper, I’m not saying Bychance is this grand conspiracy, or grand strategy meticulously and perfectly planned from the start–what does seem realistic to me is that the Duffers had a solid idea of the direction they wanted to go in, and based on that were able to strategize where to leave certain hints and clues to build up to the scenes that need to happen.

one of such scenes being Bychance’s First Meeting.

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