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Civil Disobedience and Other Essays
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Last time I reviewed this book, my review was rapidly deleted and I received a mail explaining that "if I continued to post content like this, my account might come under review for removal". Okay, let's see what happens this time round. Like millions of people round the world, I am appalled at what Trump, Bannon and the rest of their team have done in the eleven days since Trump became President of the United States. This is clearly no more than the beginning. I want to oppose them. But what can I do? I'm not even a US resident.
Let me think aloud for a minute or two. I started off by deciding that I wouldn't unnecessarily pay any money to the US: no trips to the US, as few purchases as possible of US products. Presumably this has some tiny effect, but it's not very dramatic. Of course, if enough people did it then you'd see things happen; I notice that Mexicans are already starting to boycott Mcdonalds and Starbucks. It would still be nice to accelerate the process.
It's now well-established that the internet is a powerful tool for organizing collective action. Already, there are hundreds of petitions, marches and demonstrations being set up that way. I'm wondering what options are available if people want to coordinate economic action against Trump's regime. For example, I don't think the following apps would be impossible challenges to build:
1. A shopping app which optimised its search so as to give as little money as possible to the US. Part of the problem with organising a boycott is that it's hard to know which things are actually American. The app takes care of that; it has a crowdsourced database of information which lets it quickly decide that Brand X will send 34% of the money you pay to the US, but Brand Y only 12%. Of course, American patriots will be able to use it in reverse, sending as many dollars as possible to US companies. It'd be interesting to see which pattern of behavior was more common.
2. A phone app which refused to take calls from any US-made phones. If the app is switched on, an attempt to call you from an iPhone just gets a polite message saying that the owner only accepts calls from non-US phones. Once again, needless to say, patriots could use it in reverse.
There's already a primitive app to boycott Trump businesses. I think we'll soon see this taken further. Please let me know if you come across anything interesting.
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Thinking more about what I can do here, the subject of international conferences occurs. As an academic, I typically submit half a dozen papers a year to various conferences in my field. The venues for these conferences are in nearly all cases chosen by an international committee after a bidding process. Many conferences are held in the US. A quick look around Google suggests that the US conference market is worth on the order of $100B per year.
Given the Trump administration's irrational and capricious policy of banning people from entry into the US, solely on the grounds of their nationality and literally at a minute's notice, it seems to me that it would be not be fair to potential attendees to hold an international conference in the US when other alternatives exist. I will be making this point to the various professional bodies with which I am affiliated.
Let me think aloud for a minute or two. I started off by deciding that I wouldn't unnecessarily pay any money to the US: no trips to the US, as few purchases as possible of US products. Presumably this has some tiny effect, but it's not very dramatic. Of course, if enough people did it then you'd see things happen; I notice that Mexicans are already starting to boycott Mcdonalds and Starbucks. It would still be nice to accelerate the process.
It's now well-established that the internet is a powerful tool for organizing collective action. Already, there are hundreds of petitions, marches and demonstrations being set up that way. I'm wondering what options are available if people want to coordinate economic action against Trump's regime. For example, I don't think the following apps would be impossible challenges to build:
1. A shopping app which optimised its search so as to give as little money as possible to the US. Part of the problem with organising a boycott is that it's hard to know which things are actually American. The app takes care of that; it has a crowdsourced database of information which lets it quickly decide that Brand X will send 34% of the money you pay to the US, but Brand Y only 12%. Of course, American patriots will be able to use it in reverse, sending as many dollars as possible to US companies. It'd be interesting to see which pattern of behavior was more common.
2. A phone app which refused to take calls from any US-made phones. If the app is switched on, an attempt to call you from an iPhone just gets a polite message saying that the owner only accepts calls from non-US phones. Once again, needless to say, patriots could use it in reverse.
There's already a primitive app to boycott Trump businesses. I think we'll soon see this taken further. Please let me know if you come across anything interesting.
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Thinking more about what I can do here, the subject of international conferences occurs. As an academic, I typically submit half a dozen papers a year to various conferences in my field. The venues for these conferences are in nearly all cases chosen by an international committee after a bidding process. Many conferences are held in the US. A quick look around Google suggests that the US conference market is worth on the order of $100B per year.
Given the Trump administration's irrational and capricious policy of banning people from entry into the US, solely on the grounds of their nationality and literally at a minute's notice, it seems to me that it would be not be fair to potential attendees to hold an international conference in the US when other alternatives exist. I will be making this point to the various professional bodies with which I am affiliated.
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Heh. I've been debating with myself how to do the very same thing.
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I've also been thinking about boycotting as a way of protest. It's sad that we've built this country on consumerism, now the only way to protest is through consumerism.
Also, why were you threatened to remove your review? Was it anything like this review? Because there was nothing offensive in it. Unless you're a Trump fan, I guess.
Jimmy wrote: "Also, why were you threatened to remove your review? Was it anything like this review? Because there was nothing offensive in it. Unless you're a Trump fan, I guess."
You can find my review in G.R. Reader's book Off-Topic.
You can find my review in G.R. Reader's book Off-Topic.
There is already an app called buycott, which is basically to make you conscious where your money is going and choose reasonably. You just have to scan the items you are buying with your phone. The app is more US related though. Great post as usual, thank you!
I like your idea of opposing Trump, but your method seems to be hurting companies and people in the middle of it. A grassroot economic war will have Trump only as its last victim (if at all). Seems like a very indirect way to go about things, with a lot of collateral damage if the plan comes to fruition on a large scale.
On the consumer end of things, buy a book from The Library of Arabic Literature (ask me how to get a free mug) ::
http://www.libraryofarabicliterature....
http://www.libraryofarabicliterature....
Yeah, I think a boycott is the best shot, though it won't change anything for at least four years. Whether or not it's a sad fact, it is one nonetheless. Clinton said; "It's the economy, stupid," and he is right. If Trump does not improve the economic lives of his supporters, they will be very susceptible to a pitch to do that from an opponent. The second sad fact is that Democrats are not very skilled in this.
Don't understand something. Trump declared Bezos an enemy during the campaign. So, ..........................
Of course this all assumes that elections haven't been disallowed by an executive order by 2020.
Don't understand something. Trump declared Bezos an enemy during the campaign. So, ..........................
Of course this all assumes that elections haven't been disallowed by an executive order by 2020.
Some classics are timeless, despite all the "progress," and always pop up as relevant here and there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gN1Du...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gN1Du...
Ever see Renoir's 1939 "Rules of the Game?" It's many people's choice for the greatest film ever made. Mine, too.
Hint; Schumacher is Trump.
The film's most-quoted line of dialogue, spoken by Octave, one of the bougeousie of Europe, this one knowing how it turns out, but not knowing how to stop it, played by Renoir himself, to the American airplane hero, is "You see, in this world, there is one awful thing, and that is that everyone has his reasons."
Personally, I think that there are better lines, which require context. But, if anybody has not seen the restored version, they could be in for a treat.
Hint; Schumacher is Trump.
The film's most-quoted line of dialogue, spoken by Octave, one of the bougeousie of Europe, this one knowing how it turns out, but not knowing how to stop it, played by Renoir himself, to the American airplane hero, is "You see, in this world, there is one awful thing, and that is that everyone has his reasons."
Personally, I think that there are better lines, which require context. But, if anybody has not seen the restored version, they could be in for a treat.
Love that film. All of his movies from around that time are simply incredible - I love Boudu and Illusion too. Thanks for reminding me I am probably due a rewatch of them all..
Esra wrote: "There is already an app called buycott, which is basically to make you conscious where your money is going and choose reasonably. You just have to scan the items you are buying with your phone. The..."
Thank you Esra! I didn't know about buycott, just been looking.
Thank you Esra! I didn't know about buycott, just been looking.
Matthias wrote: "I like your idea of opposing Trump, but your method seems to be hurting companies and people in the middle of it. A grassroot economic war will have Trump only as its last victim (if at all). Seems..."
Well, yes, but I just don't feel like giving any money to the US at the moment. It's my only way to take direct action, and if enough people do it then there could well be an effect.
Well, yes, but I just don't feel like giving any money to the US at the moment. It's my only way to take direct action, and if enough people do it then there could well be an effect.
Matt wrote: "Here's a bot that moves in the right direction.
https://www.t-3.com/works/the-trump-a..."
Beautiful! I particularly liked the graphic of the bot hugging the puppy.
https://www.t-3.com/works/the-trump-a..."
Beautiful! I particularly liked the graphic of the bot hugging the puppy.
Nathan "N.R." wrote: "On the consumer end of things, buy a book from The Library of Arabic Literature (ask me how to get a free mug) ::
http://www.libraryofarabicliterature...."
If only I knew Arabic! Particularly embarrassing, given that right now I'm working on a project centered around French to Arabic translation...
http://www.libraryofarabicliterature...."
If only I knew Arabic! Particularly embarrassing, given that right now I'm working on a project centered around French to Arabic translation...
Jonathan wrote: "Love that film. All of his movies from around that time are simply incredible - I love Boudu and Illusion too. Thanks for reminding me I am probably due a rewatch of them all.."
Yes, and Lange and Lower Depths, and probably more I don't remember right now.
You may have heard that his subsequent American period is nowhere near as highly regarded. Renoir admitted to having difficulties working there. But, last I heard film buffs were re-assessing Golden Coach, The Southerner, and the one about the school teacher.
Great, great stuff.
Yes, and Lange and Lower Depths, and probably more I don't remember right now.
You may have heard that his subsequent American period is nowhere near as highly regarded. Renoir admitted to having difficulties working there. But, last I heard film buffs were re-assessing Golden Coach, The Southerner, and the one about the school teacher.
Great, great stuff.
Manny wrote: "If only I knew Arabic! Particularly embarrassing, given that right now I'm working on a project centered around French to Arabic translation... "
But since the hardcovers are bilingual editions, it'd at least look like you're reading Arabic!
But since the hardcovers are bilingual editions, it'd at least look like you're reading Arabic!
Damn, now I'm starting to feel tempted. But I just don't think I have time to be learning another language at the moment :(
Matthias wrote: "I like your idea of opposing Trump, but your method seems to be hurting companies and people in the middle of it. A grassroot economic war will have Trump only as its last victim (if at all). Seems..."
Well, yes, there will be risks and innocent victims; profit-seeking corporations not one of the innocent. And it could backfire; as exports are nowhere near as important to the US as they are to some other countries.
However, right now there are no other options. Some speak of impeachment. But first there has to be grounds (like breaking a law), and then 2/3 of both houses of the Republican congress must agree. The Supreme Court can find an executive order to be unconstitutional, as they did with Obama 12 times. But, that's not breaking a law or a reason for impeachment.
There are other things of concern to US citizens, like the plan to deny Federal money to states which harbor illegal aliens. And to get a little conspiracy theory oriented; just why are all these high security FEMA camps being built?
They seem to have their ducks in order as well as about 50% of the population.
If I could make one judgemental observation; it is that it is never wise to attack from a weak position. Perhaps Manny can confirm that. Perhaps not.
Well, yes, there will be risks and innocent victims; profit-seeking corporations not one of the innocent. And it could backfire; as exports are nowhere near as important to the US as they are to some other countries.
However, right now there are no other options. Some speak of impeachment. But first there has to be grounds (like breaking a law), and then 2/3 of both houses of the Republican congress must agree. The Supreme Court can find an executive order to be unconstitutional, as they did with Obama 12 times. But, that's not breaking a law or a reason for impeachment.
There are other things of concern to US citizens, like the plan to deny Federal money to states which harbor illegal aliens. And to get a little conspiracy theory oriented; just why are all these high security FEMA camps being built?
They seem to have their ducks in order as well as about 50% of the population.
If I could make one judgemental observation; it is that it is never wise to attack from a weak position. Perhaps Manny can confirm that. Perhaps not.
Gregg wrote: "Please have faith in Americans. We beat slavery. We beat Fascism. We will beat Trumpism."
I just posted a link to this quote. I lived in the US for years and have many American friends.
But won't you find it helpful to have the rest of the world showing by tangible economic actions how appalled they are by the new government? I think it's necessary to demonstrate that what Trump and Bannon are doing is not helping your country. They are alienating America's allies and encouraging its enemies.
I just posted a link to this quote. I lived in the US for years and have many American friends.
But won't you find it helpful to have the rest of the world showing by tangible economic actions how appalled they are by the new government? I think it's necessary to demonstrate that what Trump and Bannon are doing is not helping your country. They are alienating America's allies and encouraging its enemies.
PS And if there is the slightest bit of truth to the now rather numerous rumors about economic links between Trump and Putin, this goes well beyond disapproval of Trump's policies. It's high treason, plain and simple, and he's not just selling out the US. He's also betraying the entire Western alliance.
There's an excellent podcast here from the Atlantic called, "How to Build an Autocracy": https://soundcloud.com/user-154380542.
Best line: "If this were happening in Honduras, we would know what to call it. Because it is happening here, we are baffled."
And if you want to read rather than listen: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/...
Best line: "If this were happening in Honduras, we would know what to call it. Because it is happening here, we are baffled."
And if you want to read rather than listen: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/...
Whitaker wrote: "Best line: "If this were happening in Honduras, we would know what to call it. Because it is happening here, we are baffled.""
Indeed a good line!
I think the people opposing Trump are still mostly expecting him to respect the rule of law. To me, that's already starting to look doubtful.
Indeed a good line!
I think the people opposing Trump are still mostly expecting him to respect the rule of law. To me, that's already starting to look doubtful.
Manny wrote: "I think the people opposing Trump are still mostly expecting him to respect the rule of law."
Good lord, how naive ARE they?
Good lord, how naive ARE they?
In my New Norwegian dictionary from 1985 I found this gem, Manny.
«Ein trump er ein stor, tung og stiv skapning. Det kan òg vere ein egen og tverr kar. Ordet trump er også eit adverb som betyr truging, tvang, press, makt eller hard metode.»
«Ein trump er ein stor, tung og stiv skapning. Det kan òg vere ein egen og tverr kar. Ordet trump er også eit adverb som betyr truging, tvang, press, makt eller hard metode.»
Nynorsk is so direct and powerful! Sad to say, people are already experiencing this truging, tvang, press, makt eller hard metode...
Agreed, nynorsk is more to the point.
Very worried about Trump, Putin, Le Pen, Wilders etc. Challenging times ahead.
Very worried about Trump, Putin, Le Pen, Wilders etc. Challenging times ahead.
Like Watergate, I guess the process has to start somewhere. Deja vu all over again.
Ryan wrote: "This isn't a review..."
Depends on what you think is being reviewed. In any case it has precedent on GR.
Depends on what you think is being reviewed. In any case it has precedent on GR.
Ryan wrote: "This isn't a review..."
I'm sorry Ryan. And now that I look, I notice that I've done the same thing before, perhaps as much as three or four times! I must mend my ways.
I'm sorry Ryan. And now that I look, I notice that I've done the same thing before, perhaps as much as three or four times! I must mend my ways.
Today I read of innocent people being killed in US drone strikes. I believe the stories as I have seen military people testify before congress saying that they estimate 70% of all drone victims are innocent ones.
Now, what you probably don't want to hear. This was during the Obama administration.
This is not to justify either. However, it seems much too hypocritical to chastise one and not the other.
Okay, that is a morally muddy one. I'm trying to be practical. Let's say that I'm Trump's spokesperson. Let's say a reporter confronts me with these atrocities. No problem. I say; "We have been at war since 2001; 16 years and 8 of those under Democratic rule. No one has been able to do anything other than increase the military commitment counter-productively. Donald Trump has a plan to end all this nonsense. But it will take some time as the problems are well in place." Of course, I don't say that he's going to drop a few nukes on them.
Now, what you probably don't want to hear. This was during the Obama administration.
This is not to justify either. However, it seems much too hypocritical to chastise one and not the other.
Okay, that is a morally muddy one. I'm trying to be practical. Let's say that I'm Trump's spokesperson. Let's say a reporter confronts me with these atrocities. No problem. I say; "We have been at war since 2001; 16 years and 8 of those under Democratic rule. No one has been able to do anything other than increase the military commitment counter-productively. Donald Trump has a plan to end all this nonsense. But it will take some time as the problems are well in place." Of course, I don't say that he's going to drop a few nukes on them.
Both parties have a long hawkish history. Last year, I read "The Best & the Brightest," by David Halberstam JFK was a cold warrior who got us more entrenched and LBJ escalated after the phony Gulf of Tonkin incident. Richard Nixon escalated even more.
The purpose of a book review, what is what Goodreads site is for, is to review books.
If you want to deliver a sermon, use something else.
Simple enough to grasp, you might have thought.
If you want to deliver a sermon, use something else.
Simple enough to grasp, you might have thought.
Ryan wrote: "The purpose of a book review, what is what Goodreads site is for, is to review books.
If you want to deliver a sermon, use something else.
Simple enough to grasp, you might have thought."
Like most things, it's what you make it. Thought you might have grasped that by now.
If you want to deliver a sermon, use something else.
Simple enough to grasp, you might have thought."
Like most things, it's what you make it. Thought you might have grasped that by now.
Ryan wrote: "The purpose of a book review, what is what Goodreads site is for, is to review books.
If you want to deliver a sermon, use something else.
Simple enough to grasp, you might have thought."
You explain it so well, Ryan! Somehow it had never occurred to me before, but like all great ideas it's obvious as soon as you see it.
I shall tell all my friends, it's amazing how many people have got this wrong.
If you want to deliver a sermon, use something else.
Simple enough to grasp, you might have thought."
You explain it so well, Ryan! Somehow it had never occurred to me before, but like all great ideas it's obvious as soon as you see it.
I shall tell all my friends, it's amazing how many people have got this wrong.
Michael wrote: "Both parties have a long hawkish history. Last year, I read "The Best & the Brightest," by David Halberstam JFK was a cold warrior who got us more entrenched and LBJ escalated after the phony Gulf ..."
Yes. Might nuance Kennedy a bit with what is inevitably speculation. But Eisenhower, a military man said; "Beware the military-industrial complex." It's not Democrat, Republican or Libertarian. The MIC is a disease for which no one has yet found a cure.
Yes. Might nuance Kennedy a bit with what is inevitably speculation. But Eisenhower, a military man said; "Beware the military-industrial complex." It's not Democrat, Republican or Libertarian. The MIC is a disease for which no one has yet found a cure.
See Best & the Brightest on JFK. Like all authors, there's interpretation, but there is no speculation. The book is exhaustively researched.
You no doubt have more influence than most; and I believe that America responds best when they're hit in the pocketbook. Without going radical, I think an economic boycott which targets one particular company, rather than a broad range, can produce some interesting results. Some will say that its unfair to that particular company, its shareholders who today are often pension and mutual funds, and its employees. I guess so. Worse, some will vote for something like Trump to fix the economic problem.
As I see it, the problem has been consistently increasing for decades. That suggests to me that fixing it will take a long concerted effort, giving the "masters" further time to make that illegal, impossible, or extremely imprudent.
I thought I noticed you having an elevated level of concern a few weeks back. At the outset, I thought that premature. That opinion was formulated through a lack of knowledge about my own country's political system.
So, what contribution can I make? I can't cut back spending as Diane and I were never big players in the consumer culture to begin with. I have no influence on anyone. We voted for Hillary, and now all this shit happened. Your thoughts have revived certain memories of a conspiracy theorist friend. She referred to this time as "The Harvest," and I didn't believe it then; though she had an uncanny knack for predicting next week's news.
As I see it, the problem has been consistently increasing for decades. That suggests to me that fixing it will take a long concerted effort, giving the "masters" further time to make that illegal, impossible, or extremely imprudent.
I thought I noticed you having an elevated level of concern a few weeks back. At the outset, I thought that premature. That opinion was formulated through a lack of knowledge about my own country's political system.
So, what contribution can I make? I can't cut back spending as Diane and I were never big players in the consumer culture to begin with. I have no influence on anyone. We voted for Hillary, and now all this shit happened. Your thoughts have revived certain memories of a conspiracy theorist friend. She referred to this time as "The Harvest," and I didn't believe it then; though she had an uncanny knack for predicting next week's news.
I don't want to be rude. I just think it's a bad idea to give money to the US right now. If enough people stop doing that, maybe the GOP will decide that it's no longer in their interest to act as a rubber stamp for Trump and Bannon.
I have read that early indicators (internet flight searches) already suggest a drop in the number of expected overseas visitors this year, and that the US tourism industry is starting to worry.
I have read that early indicators (internet flight searches) already suggest a drop in the number of expected overseas visitors this year, and that the US tourism industry is starting to worry.
My cousin is working as professor for ecology in Norway. After a job ad he received many applications from scientists in the US, even from those who don't qualify at all for the job offered. Is there a "brain dain" going on already?