PNN - Faq: Pulsed Neutron Neutron Frequently Asked Questions
PNN - Faq: Pulsed Neutron Neutron Frequently Asked Questions
PNN - Faq: Pulsed Neutron Neutron Frequently Asked Questions
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PNN Frequently Asked Questions
On the whole, there are two ways to record the thermal neutron decay function.
One way is to record free thermal neutrons (directly) or to measure the Gamma
Rays (indirectly). In theory, these two ways are equivalent and should give
similar results. The practice, there are significant advantages using a direct
neutron measurement.
The main difference between Hotwell’s PNN and “standard” PNL tools is that
Hotwell’s PNN measures thermal neutrons that are not captured.
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During the late 60ies and early 70ies many laboratory and field tests (Dresser
Atlas, Schlumberger) studied the decay spectrum of neutrons in pulsed neutron
systems and the detection of thermal neutrons in particular. The conclusion at
that time was to use indirect detection by Gamma Rays because the efficiency of
this measurement was between 30 and 40% as opposed to the efficiency of
thermal neutron detectors (16%).
Nowadays the situation has changed significantly - mainly because the quality of
detectors has improved greatly over the years. Today’s neutron detectors are
highly efficient (>95%) while Gamma Ray technology has not improved on such a
high level.
Figure 1: Here a typical indirect thermal-neutron decay measured by Gamma Ray (left) and a
typical directly measured PNN thermal neutron decay (right) can be compared.
Left: Note that the indirect detection is limited by the natural (background) Gamma Ray radiation
of the formation;
Right: Direct detection of residual neutrons by PNN. Here four different zones (shale, water, oil,
and gas) may be identified in one well.
The direct measurement of free residual neutrons with Hotwell’s PNN (right part
of Figure 1) is not influenced by the background and the entire decay function
can be used for processing and interpretation which results in a higher accuracy
and lower detection limit.
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In high capture cross section situations, such as high salinity formation water or
shale the relationship is reversed. Because of the high difference in capture
cross section between high saline waters and oil this is negligible and Hotwells
PNN can be used reliably in this conditions. (see question 2)
Figure 2: Schematics of the difference between the direct PNN (red) and indirect Gamma Ray
type (blue) of detection at different capture cross-sections
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After statistical processing even small differences between zones with low
salinity water and heavy oil can be interpreted reliably. In such cases a
quantitative interpretation is followed by a qualitative interpretation.
¾ Examples
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The borehole influence may occasionally result in a lower Sigma compared to the
formation. In this case the diffusion effect is possibly higher. It may be different
for various zones of the logged interval. There is no automated way to recognize
and remove the borehole influence.
Figure 5: Different borehole conditions within one interval – an example for the removal of
borehole influence.
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1. You claim that Hotwell’s PNN system is more sensitive compared to the
regular PNL capture tools under low salinity and low porosity conditions. The
capture cross section of fresh water is similar to oil; what is the lower limit of
salinity where Hotwell’s PNN System can be used reliably and the difference
between oil and water can be detected?
Formation waters below 15000 ppm are considered to be low saline; at these
concentrations Hotwell’s PNN can distinguish oil and water reliably.
Depending on the salinity, the capture cross section of water varies between 22
(distilled water) and 138 (oversaturated water) capture units (cu). In comparison,
Sigma for gas ranges between 5 and 16 cu depending on its composition,
pressure, and temperature and between 16 and 22 cu for oil which depends
mostly on the gas oil ratio and its density. In a reservoir with 0 ppm salinity and
heavy oil such as bitumen or asphalt it will be impossible to separate oil zones
from water zones. Therefore the theoretical limit of a reliable PNN
measurement lies at 22 capture units.
In most cases the capture cross section of oil lies between 18 and 20 and
the water capture cross section in complex situations between 24 and 25.
Under these conditions with moderate porosities (around 15 and 20 %) we get
reliable results with Hotwell’s PNN tool.
A2. As already stated in A1, the salinity of the formation water is one main factor
in the interpretation of water saturation from PNN measurement. For details
please see A1.
To better illustrate this issue Figure 7a, b, and c give examples of a PNN log in
measured under different salinities
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Figure 7.a PNN interpretation example in low formation water salinity (2-4000) ppm.
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Figure 7.b PNN interpretation example in high formation water salinity (90000-100000) ppm.
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Figure 7.c.PNN interpretation example in extremely high formation water salinity (>200000) ppm.
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3. How does Hotwell’s PNN tool work at salinities of 50 000 ppm or even in
saturated formation water? How does it work in porosities of ~30 %? How does it
perform in gas wells?
A3. Reliable results are easily obtained at high salinities and high porosities.
Hotwell’s PNN detects neutrons at two detectors where the ratio and the
separation between long and short space count rates can be used to determine
the hydrogen index accurately. In the same way, low porosity or gas zones can
be easily recognized. Figure 7 shows one of many examples where one well was
logged with PNN and TDT in one Egyptian Red Sea well to compare results. In
this example the gas-oil contact can be seen at 2007 m and a small sand
interlayer between 1999 m and 2003 m was identified by PNN and interpreted to
be gas saturated which was not in agreement with the TDT interpretation (Figure
8). The final perforation of the interval in question resulted in gas and verified
Hotwell’s PNN measurement and interpretation.
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Figure 8: PNN and TDT measurement in the Red sea. Note sand interlayer identified by PNN.
4. Hotwell’s PNN pulses for 3 microseconds and counts for only 2.16
miliseconds. Why don’t you increase the pulse frequency? This might increase
the logging speed. Or do you want to record the background for some reason?
A4. Our generator has a high output in neutrons and a low frequency.
Physically it is not possible to fire this generator above 30 Hz. We have
experimented with different frequencies and came to conclusion that 15 –20 Hz
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is the best because it results in good statistics for the measurement and saves
generator lifetime. Under favorable conditions (gas well, higher porosities) the
PNN may be run up to 3 m/min (10 ft/min). The rig-time is relatively short
because no tedious calibration before and after logging is required. Further,
measurement in shut-in or flowing conditions (Figure 9a; independent of the fluid
in the well) saves workover operations.
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10000 0 GR PNN [GRPNN] 250 50 Sigma [SG2329] 0 77 LSN Pnn [LSN] 277 0 Lithology [VSH] 100
0 GR PNN_Rep 250 50 Sigma_Rep [SG2329_C] 0 200 SSN Pnn [SSN] 1200 100 Porosity [PORT] 0
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5. Is there a way to tell gas from low porosity tight streaks on the log?
A5. Hotwell’s PNN recognizes tight formations (with virtually zero porosity) by
their low hydrogen index (HI) calculated from the ratio (total or partial) between
long and short space detector count rates. Both, gas saturation and tight streaks
lack hydrogen; therefore it is not possible to distinguish both reliably by solely
PNN. Some differences exist but they are small and require advanced
processing and a detailed knowledge on the well and the site. On the whole, by
comparison of openhole logs (basic or expanded sets) and PNN we developed a
procedure to distinguish gas from tight streaks and we are able to identify gas
layers in more than 95% cases given a complete set of openhole data.
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6. Is Hotwell’s PNN better under low salinity/ low porosity conditions because
of better statistics?
A6. Robust Sigma curves, without any borehole or diffusion effect, have a
small statistical influence and reliably distinguish oil from low salinity formation
water. Figure 0 shows an example with a formation water salinity of 4000 ppm
where it is simple to find the oil saturated zone without processing.
Figure 10: Note the differences in the Sigma curve (violet) in the (1) original water saturated zone,
(2) depleted zone, and (3) in the zone with good oil saturation.
A7. Shaliness can be calculated from a Gamma Ray curve recorded during
PNN measurement. Hotwell’s PNN tool has a Gamma Ray section far from the
generator to measure the natural radioactivity for correlation with open hole data.
This can also be used for the calculation of shaliness if no significant amounts of
radioactive minerals accumulated during production. If this is the case other
curves are used for the calculation of shaliness. One way is to use Sigma values
from the PNN measurement but this is always influenced by hydrocarbon
saturation. Certain channels from PNN measurement may be selected which
result in an overlap in shale zones and can be used for the calculation of the
volume of shale. Additionally, the Ratio between short and long space detector
can be used for the calculation of shaliness.
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In practice, the best way to calculate shaliness is from openhole curves (GAMMA
RAY or any suitable other curve). In an ideal case the customer’s petrophysical
interpretation is used for the PNN interpretation. If a petrophysical interpretation
is not available we also provide a petrophysical interpretation - given that
openhole curves are supplied - and use this as input for PNN analysis. If we lack
openhole information we will use solely PNN data. In the past we successfully
used this approach. However, the best way is to have an independent
petrophysical interpretation or at least the volume of shale and porosity from
open hole analysis.
A8. The assembly of two differently spaced neutron detectors makes this tool
compared to other tools an excellent hydrogen index indicator and therefore an
excellent porosity tool (much better than a GAMMA RAY type of tool, see also
Q2). Hotwell’s PNN is not calibrated because we rarely use the tool for porosity
determination. A calibration is possible in fields with similar wells if there is an
openhole compensated neutron measurement from an offset well that can be
correlated. The neutron porosity is influenced by the gas saturation and this has
to be considered. If we know beforehand that the porosity is of interest it is
possible to calibrate the PNN tool. Figure 11 shows the comparison of a PNN
Ratio curve with an openhole compensated neutron porosity curve. Note the high
correlation of both that proves the hydrogen index measured by Hotwell’s PNN a
reliable porosity indicator.
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Figure 11: Left: PNN ratio curve in comparison with a CN curve; Right: comparison of CN (blue)
and PNN Ratio (red)
9. Are there problems with communication between the tool and the surface
unit in plastic coated pipes; are there any other situations where the
communication may be affected?
A9. A plastic pipe does not influence the communication but it may influence
the CCL curve. Up to now we never measured with Nickel cables but it should be
no problem. It is easy for the logging engineer to adjust to the particular logging
line.
The communication works reliably up to a length of the logging line of 42000 ft
and a 3/16” diameter with a single conductor line where the two drums of 21000
ft lines were connected serially.
10. How does PNN Sigma compare to other Sigmas from capture tools? We
will be running a second or third log to evaluate hydrocarbon movement over
time.
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A10. The processing of Hotwell’s PNN can be normalized to match any Sigma
curve from other measurements such as TDT or PDK. Hotwell measured several
wells after TDT and the PNN Sigma compared well to the TDT Sigma. Therefore
PNN can follow up in time lapse measurements after any other pulsed neutron
measurement. For example, TDT was logged three years after the openhole
campaign and PNN was logged 15 years after TDT (Figure 11).
Figure 12: Time lapse measurement; note the matching Sigma curves (left) in the shale interval
above the reservoir; the change of reservoir saturation in the perforated zone was recorded.
Interpretation of Sigma PNN (right) using the same parameters as in Sigma TDT
11. Is it possible to use the real time Sigma (field Sigma) accurately? Is
processing necessarily required for a reliable Sigma?
A11. There is no automated way to predict borehole effects because they are
influenced by several parameters such as fluid in the borehole, casing, cement,
tubing, fluid between tubing and casing, etc… Therefore, in most of the cases a
final Sigma needs processing. However, in a field with uniform conditions
processing parameters can be established such that the processed Sigma and
field Sigma are very similar. In extreme cases an interpreter at the well site may
provide immediate processing and interpretation. It is possible to provide reliable
information within one hour. The main difference between a field Sigma and the
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processed Sigma are the absolute values but the amplitudes are similar. We
insist on a processed Sigma although in most cases there will be no big
differences. The impact of unpredictable small-scale changes and borehole
effects on the results might cause more expenses than one additional day rig-
time.
A12. We advise to judge borehole Sigma and count rates only qualitatively. If a
hold up is essential we recommend using data from the same well which are
calibrated for 100% of water or any other fluid. If it is possible to know hold ups
above all intervals you may quantify.
A13. The presence of water between the casing and the formation can be
confirmed by activation logging where the PNN tool moves downwards. In
addition, stop check measurements can be used to calculate the velocity of
moving fluid. For quantification the cross section has to be determined. This is
highly efficient for detection of flow but in the present setup of Hotwell’s PNN we
detect only the upward flow direction.
One way to detect downward flow would be to place the Gamma Ray section
below the source section but this is not included in the current arrangement of
the tool mainly for economical reasons.
14. Did you ever think of making a Gamma Ray section with 2 detectors that
would detect the Gamma Rays of capture and give a conventional pulsed
neutron response? You could even place a longer spaced third detector on the
tool for detection of gas. In this way you could use the tool however you wanted
to use it. Lower salinities use the NN section; higher salinities use the GG
section. There are even some clients that would run both tools on the same well
to see what each tool would tell them. It seems to me the tools are made and all
you would need is an added detector section. For this kind of tool I would even
be willing to share some of the development costs for exclusive use.
A14. Any tool that is of interest for customer may be interesting to be built and
we would be ready to work on it if really there is economical justification. Anyway
as we discussed with our colleges technically it seems that it is easy just instead
of neutron to put GAMMA RAY detectors but as we understand it and from our
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point of view there are some significant difficulties. Definitely it will be time to
discuss about this with our designing people during our visit when our possible
projects start more seriously. But we need to say that from our point of view
(interpreting) PNN is completely compatible tool with GAMMA RAY type of tools
for working in higher salinity’s and we already have had measurements in
oversaturated fluid in borehole together with very saline formation water and with
good results. And this is really the worst case for PNN tool because in very saline
fluid in borehole count rate is significantly decreased because of thermal neutron
capture before they come to detector.
Log examples of, decays and Images in high salinity formations and salts follows:
Salt
Normal
Formation
Figure 13
Salt layers and domes will be easily recognized and measured with very high
Sigma values while zones and reservoirs without salt may be evaluated standard
way. Only problem will be if there is precipitation of salt inside pore space of
reservoir rock. In this case interpretation is questionable
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16. What is the depth of investigation and the vertical resolution of Hotwell’s
PNN?
A16. The depth of investigation lies between 8” and 12” but on the whole it is
not trivial to determine the depth of investigation because it depends on different
conditions (such as the borehole, formation). The vertical resolution is 1.5’; for
intervals as thick as 3’ we are sure to get consistent results.
17. How does the porosity calculated from a PNN measurement differ from a
porosity calculated from openhole measurements?
A17. Details on the porosity measurement by Hotwell’s PNN can be found in A7.
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0 CCL 5000 0 GRPNN 150 100 Sw PNN Std [SWPNN] 0 60 Porosity [POR] 0 0 Lithology [VSH] 100
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Figure 14 The openhole (customer) porosity interpretation is based on Gamma Ray in track 4
(green); Hotwell’s porosity is the red curve in track 3. Clean zones have no significant differences
in porosities; in shaly zones the differences are higher.
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0 CCL 5000 0 GRPNN 150 100 Sw PNN Std [SWPNN] 0 60 Porosity [POR] 0 0 Lithology [VSH] 100
10Perf. [PERF] 0 20 SP [SP] 50 60 Sigma [SIGMA] 0 60 PorWaterPNN [PORWPNN] 0 100 Porosity [PORT] 0
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Figure 15: Like in Figure 14, porosities are the same in clean zones but differ in shaly zones.
Effective porosity is used for quantitative PNN interpretation and this should not be influenced by
the volume of shale.
18. If the salinity is very low and not suitable for Hotwell’s PNN, is there a way
to back calculate during analysis?
A18. In cases of very low salinity combined with very low porosity, a well
interpreted openhole dataset has to be used that provides a reliable porosity,
shaliness, and matrix minerals. Small incorrectness of any of these parameters
may influence the final interpretation of water saturation. Local experience and
the design of adjusted interpretation modules may produce correct parameters.
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19. Is there a way to measure the formations matrix of a well that had
production recovery using polymer?
A19. The matrix itself should not be influenced by polymer injection and recovery
but the pore space filled with polymer is influenced. This part of the pores is
considered not as pore space anymore but as matrix with a different capture
cross section. The influence depends on polymer chemistry - this should be
known. Further, the modeling of polymer distribution during injection helps to
select correct parameters.
Up to now, we did not measure in zones with extensive polymer injection. The
polymers final influence may vary locally.
20. How does Hotwell process Sigma; how is it corrected and calibrated to
obtain reliable results
A20. A1 deals in part with this question: PNN system description and some
small issues about data processing are described in A1.
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Processing principles
Hotwell’s PNN system measures the decay function of thermal neutrons on two
detectors. 60 time channels at each detector record the number of neutrons.
Each channel is 36 μs wide. A1 lists the advantages of measuring the thermal
neutrons compared to Gamma Ray detection that are a product of thermal
capture.
PNN Measurement
The neutron generator emits pulsed high energy neutrons (14 MeV) into the
formation. This pulse is repeated at a fast rate. The thermal neutrons are
measured at the two detectors in each 60 time channels. The entire
measurement is recorded and available for processing at any time after the
logging job is completed. This is an advantage of Hotwell’s PNN system,
because if some information on the formation and distribution of the fluids inside
the reservoir is missed during real time processing these data will be available
during full analysis.
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v * Σabs (1)
Figure 16a: decay of thermal neutrons over time; 16b difference in neutron decay in shale, oil,
water, or gas saturated reservoir rock.
N1 = N0e(-v*Σabs*t1) (2)
where
N0 - number of thermal neutrons per unit volume at time t0 (neutron
burst)
N1 - number of thermal neutrons remaining per unit volume at time t1
t1 < t0
t1 time since t0
Σabs - sum of the atomic cross sections of all the atomic nuclei in a
defined volume for a neutron velocity of v=2200 m/s (at 75oF) [cm2/cm3].
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Σabs=1/(v*(t2-t1))*ln(N1/N2) (5)
Replacing the natural logarithm with logarithms to the base of 10 at v = 2200 m/s,
t [s] and Sigma [cm-1]
τint
Nt=N0e-t/ (7)
Where Nt is number of neutrons per cm3 at time t. Combining eq. (2) and eq. (7)
results in
τint=1/v*Σabs (8)
This is used in Hotwell HWProc for an accurate calculation of die-away time (τ)
and bulk capture cross-section (Σ).
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PNN measures the density of the thermal neutrons on both detectors in 60 time
channels (Figure 17).
There are 60 time channels and each channel is 36 μs wide. During acquisition
all raw data acquired by sensors are stored without any filtering and removal of
data.
Figure 18 PNN measured decay during logging (a) and during processing (b)
During logging the thermal neutron decay is plotted in linear scale (Figure 18a)
and during the processing on natural logarithmic scale (Figure 18b). From this
decay curve the Sigma curve is extracted. All calculations are according to the
physical considerations and mathematical formulae mentioned above. The most
important step is to select parameters to remove the borehole influence, diffusion
of thermal neutrons, and statistical influences. To obtain an accurate capture
cross section of the formation, the Sigma is taken from the zone with maximum
formation influence. In the field a number of different zones with differing
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borehole influences may exist, but all can be summed up into three varieties with
all variations between them (Figure 19).
Casing or equipment in the borehole may result in a borehole Sigma larger than
the formation Sigma (Figure 19a). If those influences can be identified it is easy
to extract the formation Sigma without borehole influence in Hotwell’s processing
software HWProc.
Sometimes the formation and the borehole Sigma is similar and therefore not
sensitive to the selection of processing parameters (Figure 19b).
The most difficult case is when the borehole Sigma is smaller than the formation
Sigma. In this case significant neutron diffusion may exist and data from the
formation itself have to be used carefully. It is necessary to start the processing
further in the time domain and to select a later starting channel. If all this is
considered parameters may be selected to get a Sigma only influenced by the
formation.
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The next step in Sigma processing is to select the processing modes. There are
four different modes, but all of them give similar result if parameters for removal
of borehole influences are selected logically.
All of these effects (Figure 19a, b, c) may be present in one well in different
degrees. Hotwell’s HWProc processing software allows full control of the data
and each subdivision can be examined to permit a good selection of parameters.
In some cases it is confusing to look at decays in the time and depth domain;
therefore we view an overall depth-time image of different parameters like: count
rate (on short or long-space detector), the ratio between short and long count
rates, Sigma images, and water saturation images.
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Figure 20: Example of a Sigma image with seven different borehole influenced zones
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all other zones parameters are not good and Sigma with too high borehole
influence is processed. In this case it is necessary to make different zones
processing and patching final calculated curves. There is a better way to do this
and this can be done by Hotwell’s Sigma auto-processing module which
automatically calculates the best possible and not borehole or diffusion
influenced Sigma curves.
by e-mail:
z.markovic@hotwell.at Zoran Markovic
m.novak@hotwell.at Mijo Novak
k.knapp@hotwell.at Kresimir Knapp
analysis@hotwell.at
office@hotwell.at
by phone :
+43 2687 48058
or by fax:
Yours truly,
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