OFFICIAL RECIPE BOOK

Packed with her famous recipes, including her

world renowned Pumpkin Chiffon Pie
The Tradition of Grandma
Elsie & Thanksgiving at
The Grossman Group
As many of you know, the winter season kicks off These are the most delicious, mouth-watering
with my favorite holiday: Thanksgiving. pumpkin pies you’ve ever tasted. Even people who
don’t like pumpkin pies love her now-famous
People often wonder why Thanksgiving gets me in recipe.
the holiday spirit and I’m always excited to share
with them why....Because it’s the season For almost two decades, The Grossman Group has
for Grandma Elsie’s Famous Pumpkin Chiffon adopted her wonderful tradition by sharing in her
Pie and other crowd-favorite recipes. sentiments with folks in our network by passing
along Elsie’s famous pie and spice mix recipes.
The tradition is long-standing, and for those who
don't know the story behind the pumpkin pie that's You know it’s a special tradition when clients call in
better than any I’ve tasted, I'd like to share it. early November wondering whether the agency is
celebrating Grandma Elsie, and if there’s a new
Instead of getting holiday gifts for friends and recipe.
neighbors, Elsie Edelstein, who I adopted as my
grandmother, made pumpkin pies and hand- We also have some delicious extensions to
delivered them before Thanksgiving. The blessing, as Grandma Elsie's reach, which were suggested to us
she used to say, was in the making (“food brings by a colleague, Brad Whitworth, and his wife, Peg
people together”) and in giving ("it’s better to give Champion. It turns out that Grandma Elsie’s spice
than receive!”). mix isn't just a must-have for pies.

A tradition that started with one creative and We hope you'll enjoy all.
thoughtful woman was quickly adopted by her
daughters and grandchildren, along with friends Grandma Elsie, here’s to you! Cheers, and Happy
and neighbors. Thanksgiving season.

And, these aren’t any old pies. - David Grossman

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Grandma Elsie’s Famous
Pumpkin Chiffon Pie
Pg. 4 Elsie’s Elegant Elixir
Pg. 11
Grandma Elsie’s Famous Spices
Pg. 5 Grandma Elsie’s Organic
Apple-Raisin Granola
Grandma Elsie’s Cast Iron Apple Crisp
Pg. 12
Pg. 6
Grandma Elsie’s Caribbean
Grandma Elsie’s Holiday Sangria Jerk Chicken
Pg. 7 Pg. 13
Grandma Elsie’s Spiced Holiday Grandma Elsie’s Butternut
Popcorn Squash Soup
Pg. 8 Pg. 14
Grandma Elsie’s Decadent Grandma Elsie’s Apple Pancakes
Organic Chocolate-Cinnamon
Fudge Pg. 15
Pg. 9 12 Tips to Communicate Better
and Improve Business Results
Grandma Elsie’s Elegant
Poached Pears with Spiced Pg. 16
Red-Wine Syrup
Pg. 10

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Grandma Elsie’s Famous
Pumpkin Chiffon Pie

Ingredients: Directions:

Pie Part 1 – Day 1

• 1 envelope gelatin • Separate the eggs from their whites. Store egg whites
dissolved in 1/4 cup in the refrigerator.
of water • Start a double boiler on stovetop.
• 1/4 teaspoon salt • Place all of the pie ingredients except the egg whites
• 1/4 teaspoon nutmeg (packed) and gelatin in the double boiler.
• 1/8 teaspoon ginger • Heat the mixture until it is thick, stirring periodically.
• 2 eggs, separated • While the mixture thickens, progressively dissolve the
• 2 teaspoons cinnamon gelatin in hot water and stir vigorously.
• 2/3 cup whole milk • When the pumpkin mixture is thick (hint: check if the
spoon stands straight up), stir the gelatin-water into the
• 1 heaping cup canned pumpkin (NOT pumpkin pie mix) mixture on the stove, over low heat.
• 1 cup granulated sugar • Let cool.
• 1/4 stick of butter or margarine • Place the mixture in the fridge until firm (we
recommend letting it set overnight).
Pie Crust:
• We use ready-made graham cracker pie crusts, but you Part 2 – Day 2
can also make your own—and it will be even better! • Beat egg whites until they are light and fluffy.
• 1 1/3 cups graham cracker crumbs • Once the mixture has become firm, in a separate
• 2 tablespoons powdered sugar bowl, beat pumpkin batter at low speed until it is
• 1/3 cup melted butter or margarine creamy.
• Then, fold the egg whites into the pumpkin batter until
Whipped Cream: they are well-mixed.
• 1/2 pint real whipping cream (this may be enough for • Pour the mixture into the pie shell and top with
two pies) whipped cream.
• 1 tablespoon powdered sugar • Sprinkle lightly with graham crackers.

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Grandma Elsie’s
Famous Spices

Ingredients: Directions:

• 2 tablespoons + 2 ¾ teaspoons Sugar • In a small bowl, mix together sugar, cinnamon, nutmeg,
ground ginger, and salt (makes 3 tablespoons). For
• ¼ teaspoon cinnamon more, double or triple up the recipe and transfer into a
spice jar.
• A pinch of nutmeg
• Grandma Elsie’s Famous Spices is the common
• A pinch of ground ginger ingredient in the recipes on the following pages. Try one
out (or all) and impress your friends and family at
• A pinch of salt Thanksgiving dinner this year.

• As well as being a key ingredient for the recipes in this

cookbook, Grandma Elsie’s Famous Spices have many
delectable uses:

• Sprinkle on cereal, hot buttered toast,

pancakes, french toast, vanilla ice cream,
yogurt, granola or fruit for an instantly delicious
treat.

• Substitute for sugar and make a cup of coffee

or tea extraordinary.

• Use as a flavorful addition to a mug of hot

cocoa – perfect for the holiday season.

• Enjoy!

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Grandma Elsie’s
Cast Iron Apple Crisp
and sugar have melted completely and are starting to bubble (4-5
Ingredients: minutes).

For the caramel sauce: When the mixture starts to brown at the edges, use a spatula to stir
• 2 cups granulated sugar occasionally, scraping the sides and the bottom of the saucepan. When
• ¼ cup water the mixture is a deep golden brown and just beginning to smoke slightly
• ¾ cup unsalted butter (1½ sticks), diced (4-5 minutes), remove from heat. Watch carefully because the caramel
can go from golden brown to burned if you turn your back.
• 1 cup heavy cream
• 1 teaspoon vanilla extract
Carefully whisk in the heavy cream to make a smooth sauce. Add the
• 1 teaspoon kosher salt vanilla and salt. If you discover lumps, put the pan back on low heat and
whisk until smooth. Pour the caramel sauce into a heat-safe container to
For the filling: cool.
• 3 pounds firm, tart apples, peeled, cored and sliced (about 6
medium apples) Preparing the filling
• 1 tablespoon fresh lemon juice Put a rack in the center of your oven and pre-heat to 350 degrees. In a
large bowl, add the sliced apples, lemon juice, spices and salt and stir to
• 1 tablespoon Elsie’s Spice Mix
combine. Drizzle ½ cup of caramel sauce over the mixture and stir again.
• ½ teaspoon ground cinnamon
Scrape the apple mixture into a 9- or 10-inch cast iron (or other oven-safe)
• ½ teaspoon ground cardamom skillet.
• 1/8 teaspoon ground cloves
• Pinch of kosher salt Making the topping
In your now-empty bowl, combine the flour, oats, nuts, sugar and salt. Stir
For the crispy topping: until well combined, then add the softened butter. Use your hands to
• 1 cup all-purpose flour mash the dry ingredients with the butter until you form crumbs. Distribute
the crumb topping evenly over the apple filling in your skillet. Put in the
• 1 cup old-fashioned oats
oven for 40-50 minutes until the topping is golden and the juices are
• 1/3 cup chopped pecans or walnuts bubbling.
• 1/3 cup light brown sugar
• ½ teaspoon kosher salt Serving the crisp
• ½ cup unsalted butter (1 stick), softened Slice into individual wedges (serves 8-10) and put on individual plates or
bowls. Serve warm with more warm caramel sauce and ice cream. You
Directions: can keep any leftover caramel sauce in an airtight container in the
refrigerator for about a week. You can rewarm the caramel sauce in a
Making the caramel sauce saucepan over low heat.
Put sugar and water in a saucepan and stir to combine. Add the diced
butter and put over medium heat. Cook without stirring until the butter From the Grandma Elsie West Coast Test Kitchen of
Brad Whitworth and Peg Champion
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Grandma Elsie’s
Holiday Sangria

Ingredients: Directions:

• ½ medium apple, cut into ½-inch pieces with skin attached Put fruit, orange juice and brandy in a pitcher and muddle
• ½ medium orange, cut into ½-inch pieces with skin the ingredients. Add Grandma Elsie’s spices, lemon juice,
attached red wine, sparkling water and ice to the pitcher and stir to
combine ingredients. Pour into glasses and make sure to
• 1 small bunch seedless table grapes
spoon a variety of fruit into each glass.
• ¾ cup orange juice
• 1/3 cup of brandy Variations on a theme:
• 1 Tbsp Grandma Elsie’s Famous Spices
• Juice from one-half lemon Grandma Elsie would never want you to get stuck in a rut.
• 1 750ml bottle of dry Spanish red wine (Tempranillo or Rioja) Here are some ways you can modify the recipe to take
• 1 cup of sparkling water advantage of ingredients you have on hand:
• 3 cups of cubed ice
• Try using rum or triple sec instead of brandy. Rum will
make the sangria sweeter.

• Replace the sparkling water with club soda or sparkling

wine.

• Consider other fruits you may have on hand: pears,

kiwis, or frozen blackberries or cherries.

• Use lime juice instead of lemon juice to add a bit more

tropical tartness.

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Grandma Elsie’s Spiced
Holiday Popcorn

Ingredients: Directions:

• ¼ cup olive oil • Heat the olive oil in a small saucepan over low heat until
• 1 teaspoon paprika just heated through. Stir in the paprika, cayenne
pepper, and cinnamon spices and remove from heat.
• ½ teaspoon ground cayenne pepper
• ½ teaspoon ground cinnamon
• In a large (4-quart or larger) heavy-bottomed pot, add
• ¼ cup canola oil (can substitute grapeseed oil or the canola oil and two popcorn kernels and heat over
coconut oil) medium high heat.
• ½ cup popcorn kernels
• 1 tablespoon Grandma Elsie’s Famous Spices (see • After the kernels have popped, add the remaining ½
page 4) cup of kernels, cover and shake the pot constantly for
• ¾ teaspoon kosher salt about 3 minutes. Stop when there is a few seconds’
pause between kernel popping.

• Quickly transfer the popcorn to a large serving bowl big

enough to mix the popcorn. Add half of the popcorn to
the bowl and stir the spiced oil well. Drizzle half of it over
the first half of the popcorn. Add the second half of the
popcorn and drizzle with the remaining oil. Using your
hands, mix thoroughly until the popcorn is evenly
coated. Then sprinkle with Grandma Elsie’s Famous
Spices and kosher salt and mix again. Taste, adjusting
with more Grandma Elsie’s or salt as desired. Serve
immediately.

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Grandma Elsie’s Decadent
Organic Chocolate-
Cinnamon Fudge

Ingredients: Directions:

• Butter, to grease the pan • Butter the sides and bottom of an 8x8-inch pan, then
• 1 (14-ounce) can Santini* organic sweetened condensed line it with an 8x14-inch sheet of parchment paper. Let
milk (Santini Organic, if you can get it) the extra paper hang off the sides. The paper makes
removing the fudge from the pan a snap.
• 1 tablespoon Grandma Elsie’s Famous Spices (see
page 4) • In a medium stainless steel bowl (one that fits in a
• 2 teaspoons ground organic cinnamon saucepan), thoroughly combine the condensed milk,
• 1 teaspoon pure organic vanilla extract Grandma Elsie’s spices, ground cinnamon and vanilla
• 3 tablespoons unsalted organic butter, cut into small extract. Stir in the soft chunks of butter and the
pieces, at room temperature chocolate chips.
• 16 oz. (2 bags) Dagoba* organic chocolate Chocodrops
• Put the stainless steel bowl into a saucepan of simmering
• Kosher salt water and mix 8 minutes until the chocolate chips are
melted and the mixture is smooth and thick. Scrape the
mixture into the greased pan using a spatula. Smooth
the surface and then very lightly sprinkle with sea salt.
Put in refrigerator for at least two hours until solid.

• To loosen the fudge, run a warm knife around the edge

of the pan and lift the fudge slab out using the
parchment paper. Peel off the paper, put the fudge on
a cutting board and slice into 1-inch pieces.

* If you can’t find Santini organic, you can use Eagle or Borden. If you can’t
• You can store Grandma Elsie’s Decadent Fudge in
find Dagoba, you can use any bittersweet baking chocolate with 65% or airtight containers or freeze.
higher cacao.

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Grandma Elsie’s Elegant
Poached Pears with
Spiced Red-Wine Syrup
Directions:

Ingredients: • In a 4-quart saucepan, combine wine, brown sugar, Grandma

Elsie’s spices, orange zest, orange juice, cinnamon stick, vanilla
• 2 ½ cups dry red wine (a good* Cabernet, Merlot, bean and cloves. Bring to a boil, reduce heat and simmer for 5
Zinfandel) minutes until the sugar dissolves.
• ¾ cup organic brown sugar
• 1 tablespoon Grandma Elsie’s Famous Spices (see page • While liquid is simmering, carefully peel pears leaving stem
4) intact. Slice ½ inch off the bottom of each pear to create a
• Zest of 1 orange flat bottom. Gently place pears in poaching liquid, cover, and
• 1 orange, juiced simmer for 15 to 20 minutes, turning every 5 minutes to ensure
• 1 cinnamon stick even color. Check to make sure pears are cooked tender but
• 1 vanilla bean, split lengthwise not mushy. (Insert the tip of a paring knife into the pear
• 2 cloves bottom. It should go in and come out easily with no
• 4 firm, ripe pears (Bosc are preferred, though Conference resistance.)
and Anjou also work well)
• Use a slotted spoon to place pears upright on a serving plate
or in individual bowls. Chill at least three hours or up to 24
hours.

• Increase the heat of poaching liquid to high and bring to a

boil. Boil uncovered for 5-10 minutes, stirring occasionally with
a whisk until the syrup thickens. Remove from heat and chill
until ready to serve. The sauce will continue to thicken as it
cools.

To Serve:

• Bring pears and syrup to room temperature or warm slightly.

Serve pear with scoop of vanilla ice cream and drizzle syrup
over pear and ice cream.
* Note that the quality of the wine affects the flavor of the poaching liquid/syrup. We recommend
that you use something better than “Two-Buck Chuck.”
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Elsie’s Elegant Elixir

Ingredients: Directions:

• Amaretto • Rim two cocktail (martini) glasses with Grandma Elsie’s

• Vodka Famous Spices.
• Orange juice • Fill a cocktail shaker with ice and add:
• Grandma Elsie’s Famous Spices (see page 4)
– 3 oz. of Amaretto

– 3 oz. of vodka

– 6 oz. of orange juice (we love blood orange juice

when it’s in season)

– 1/2 teaspoon of Grandma Elsie’s spices (or dash

sugar, pinch cinnamon, pinch ginger, pinch
nutmeg, pinch salt)

• Shake well, strain and pour elixir into rimmed cocktail

glass.

• Serves 2. (Elsie wouldn’t drink alone.)

Tools:

• Two cocktail glasses (martini preferred)

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Grandma Elsie’s Organic
Apple-Raisin Granola

Ingredients: Directions:

• 10 cups (2 pounds) old-fashioned rolled organic oats • Adjust oven rack to upper-middle position, heat oven to 250
• 2 cups (6 ounces) chopped walnuts degrees. Line two large rimmed baking sheets with
parchment paper.
• 1 cup shredded unsweetened organic coconut
• 3 tablespoons Grandma Elsie’s Famous Spices (see • In a large bowl, combine oats, walnuts, coconut, Grandma
page 4) Elsie’s spices, salt and stir.
• 1/2 teaspoon kosher salt
• 1 cup organic pure maple syrup • In a small bowl, whisk maple syrup, honey, vanilla extract
and almond extract. Whisk in oil until blended.
• 1/4 cup honey
• 1 1/2 tablespoons organic vanilla extract • Add the syrup mixture to the oat mixture in the large bowl
• 1/2 teaspoon organic almond extract and stir until the oats are evenly coated and there are no
• 3/4 cup organic canola oil hidden pockets of syrup or dry ingredients in the bowl.
• 2 cups chopped dried organic apples
• Spread the granola mixture in an even layer on the
• 2 cups organic Thompson seedless raisins prepared baking sheets. Bake the granola until toasted and
golden brown, about 90 minutes, stirring and rotating the
sheets every 30 minutes to ensure even baking.

• Remove from the oven and cool completely. Stir in the dry
fruit. Serve or store in an airtight container for up to 3 weeks.

• You can substitute different dried fruits: mango, pineapple,

cranberries, pear, or blueberries. Or different nuts: almonds,
pecans, macadamia, or hazelnuts. Do not use quick oats.

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Grandma Elsie’s Caribbean
Jerk Chicken

Ingredients: Directions:

• 2 tablespoons • Put allspice, thyme, garlic, onion, chilies, scallions,

allspice berries peppercorns, Grandma Elsie’s spices plus soy sauce,
• 1 tablespoon olive oil, rum, malt vinegar, salt, fresh ginger and lime
thyme leaves juice in a blender or food processor and puree into a
• 2 garlic cloves marinade.
• 1 small onion, chopped
• Put chicken and marinade into two sealable plastic
• 2 Scotch bonnet or habanero chilies, halved, stems bags, pressing out excess air, then turn bags over
removed (*caution: these peppers are very hot, use to taste) several times to distribute marinade. Put bags of chicken
• 6 scallions, roughly chopped in a shallow pan and marinate in refrigerator for at least
• 1 tablespoon black peppercorns six hours, preferably overnight, turning once or twice.
• 3 tablespoons Grandma Elsie’s Famous Spices (see page 4)
• 2 tablespoons soy sauce • Cook on outdoor grill, turning frequently, until internal
temp reaches 160 degrees and outside is slightly
• 2 tablespoons olive oil charred.
• 1 tablespoon rum
• 1 tablespoon malt vinegar • Alternatively, put chicken in a baking dish, add
• 1 teaspoon kosher salt seasoning paste and coat chicken well, using a spoon.
Cover and marinate in the refrigerator, for at least 6
• 1 2-inch piece fresh ginger, thickly sliced
hours, preferably overnight. Preheat oven to 350
• Juice of two large limes (about 4 tablespoons) degrees, letting chicken come to room temperature.
• 6 large chicken legs (skin-on, leg and thigh attached) Bake in oven at 350 degrees uncovered for one hour,
until internal temp reaches 160 degrees. Then put dish
under broiler for a couple of minutes to char chicken
slightly.

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Grandma Elsie’s Butternut
Squash Soup

Ingredients: Directions:

• 1 large organic butternut squash • Preheat oven to 400 degrees. Cut butternut squash in
• 2 cloves garlic, peeled and smashed half lengthwise. Scoop out seeds and fill the cavities with
the garlic cloves and sage leaves. Place the two squash
• 4 sage leaves halves, cut side up, in an ovenproof dish. Add one-half
• 2 tablespoons butter inch of water to prevent the squash from burning or
• 1 large yellow organic onion, roughly chopped (about 1 - sticking to the dish. Bake for about 45 minutes, or until
1 1/2 cups) completely tender. Allow to cool. Discard the garlic and
• 4 cups vegetable or chicken stock or broth, preferably sage. Scoop out the cooked squash and set aside.
homemade
• 1 tablespoon apple cider vinegar • Heat a large thick-bottomed pot on medium-high heat.
Melt the butter in the pot. Add the onion, celery and
• 1 teaspoon Grandma Elsie’s Famous Spices (see page 4) carrot and sauté for 5 minutes or until softened, but not
• 1/8 teaspoon cayenne pepper browned.
• 1/2 teaspoon kosher salt
• 1/8 teaspoon • Add the cooked butternut squash, stock, vinegar,
nutmeg Grandma Elsie’s spices, cayenne pepper, salt and
• Crème fraiche nutmeg. Bring to a boil, then reduce to a simmer. Cover
and simmer for 30 minutes.
• Chives, finely
chopped • Use an immersion blender to purée the soup or,
alternatively, work in small batches and purée the soup
in a standing blender.

• Serve in soup bowl and garnish with a dollop of crème

fraiche and chopped chives.

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Grandma Elsie’s
Apple Pancakes

Ingredients: Directions:

• 1/4 cup butter (½ stick), divided • Preheat oven to 400 degrees.

• 4 eggs
• 1/4 teaspoon pure vanilla extract • Divide butter evenly between two 9-inch pie plates and
• 3/4 cup all-purpose flour put them in the oven to melt the butter. Rotate the pie
plates until the butter coats the bottom and the sides. To
• 3/4 cup milk
make dividing the ingredients between the two plates
• 1/2 teaspoon salt easier, we use a 4-cup measuring cup as our mixing
• 2 medium baking apples, peeled and thinly sliced bowl. Beat eggs, pure vanilla extract, flour, milk and salt
• 3 tablespoons Grandma Elsie’s Famous Spices (see page 4) on medium speed for 1 minute.

• Toss the sliced apples with 2 tablespoons of Grandma

Elsie’s spices. Arrange ½ of the apples slices in each pan
so they cover the bottom in pretty much a single layer.
Pour half the egg mixture over the apple slices in each
pan. Sprinkle the remaining Grandma Elsie’s spices over
the batter in each pan.

• Bake 20-25 minutes until puffed and golden brown.

Serve right away, while still puffy, with warm syrup.

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12 Tips to Communicate
Better and Improve
Business Results
In the spirit of Thanksgiving, we thought we’d conclude 5. Match your words and actions: Talk is cheap…especially
the recipe book with a recipe to help you improve when it comes to leaders and their ability to build and
communication. We hope it’s helpful to you. maintain trust. Just ask anyone (especially employees). At the
end of the day, it’s actions and results that matter most.
Whether you need to leverage new technology, engage 6. Make time to communicate and make the most of that
employees or colleagues, to deliver better for customers, or just time: Set up regular face-to-face (or voice-to-voice)
keep meeting your business goals, good communication is critical communication opportunities.
to any success strategy. Strong leadercommunicators know that
when it’s effective, communication does much more than make 7. Be brief and brilliant: Be ready to get your point across in 15
people feel good. It is directly linked to business results. seconds or less. Grab attention from the start and convince
your listener what’s in it for them so they want to hear more.

In fact, good communication is inextricably linked to strong 8. Remember the basics: Who, what, where, when, why and
leadership. It inspires employees to commit their best effort by how (tip: adults usually start with the “what”, then the “why”).
helping them understand the goals of the organization and how
9. Use stories: The right anecdote can be worth a thousand
their individual efforts contribute to overall success.
theories or facts.

Here are twelve tried and true ideas for communication that drives 10. Check for understanding: Make sure your message is heard
results: and really understood. Ask questions. Listen. Ask for a
paraphrase.
1. Don’t settle for good…be great: Good communication gets
the message out, great communication connects the dots. 11. Know your audience and what’s important to
Whether it’s in your detailed job description or not, your role is them: Understanding your audience is key to moving
to connect the dots so others know what’s possible and their employees to action; the more you know about them, the
role in making it happen. better you’ll be able to persuade them.

2. Build trust and credibility: Be visible and approachable, 12. Watch for information overload: These days, everyone’s
engage others openly, fully and early on. bombarded with so much information that it’s hard to digest
it all. Just because you say something doesn’t mean others
3. Context and relevance: Remember to provide context and hear and understand you. And isn’t that the whole point of
make information relevant so your audiences understand how communication – to create shared understanding and drive
they fit in and what it means to them. Provide job-related people to action? (The answer is yes!)
information so those you work with have the essential
information they need to do their job effectively and/or make
the best decisions. Which of the 12 tips could have the greatest positive impact on
4. Communicate with integrity: Tell the truth always and without how you communicate?
exception.
─David Grossman
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