Jivaka, The Physician
Jivaka, The Physician
Jivaka, The Physician
There is a natural association between Buddhism and medicine. The Buddhist doctrine
recognizes the phenomenon of suffering; unravels its causes; understands the state
of elimination of suffering; and , prescribes the right method for elimination of
suffering seen and heard.
The Pali texts describe the Buddha as the physician (bhishak) and as the skilled
surgeon (salla–katta).Ashvagosha the poet (80-150 BCE) called Buddha Maha –Bhishak
(the great physician). At a later stage in Buddhism, the Buddha worship in the
Bhaishajya Guru (The Guru of all physicians) form came into practice.
Interestingly, the life of one of the celebrated physicians and surgeons of the
ancient India was closely associated with that of the Buddha. Jivaka came to the
Buddha as a young man in the prime of his youth and stayed faithful to the Buddha
until the later years of the Master, as his disciple, friend and as his physician.
The Jivaka’s story is elaborated in four versions – the Pali; the Sanskrit; the
Chinese; and, the Tibetan.
Here, we will follow the Pali version; because, some important discourses addressed
to Jivaka are scripted in that version.
The Buddha-Jivaka story is a very human story. Their relationship was not cast in
the usual mold that one comes across in religious texts. In a way, it de-mystifies
the Buddha imagery. The Buddha you meet here is not the ethereal philosopher with
his head in the clouds ; nor is he The God himself. You will find, he not always
resembled the serene, ever smiling young Apollo – Greco Roman God like images that
sit on our coffee tables or that decorate our bookcases.
The Buddha, you meet here, is a real person, a wise, compassionate, mellow,
independent and a mature person who walked and lived on this land. He did encounter
many problems; but, more importantly, he got over them with reason and dignity. He
suffered from injuries, illness, constipation, diarroehea and other ailments
related to old age. Whenever he needed help, he did ask for help. But, you never
see him losing his composure. Here you see him put forth some unusual but rational
views on the day-to-day concerns of the monks and the lay. That brings us closer to
the Buddha.
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Once when Prince Abhaya, son of Bimbisara the king of Rajagriha, was riding
through the city, he noticed a flock of crows circling and cawing round a winnowing
basket, thrown on a rubbish heap. As he got closer to the basket, he saw, to his
amazement, a lovely looking baby boy wrapped in clothes placed in the basket. He
took the baby home and decided to raise him as his son. The baby was given the name
Jivaka, the live one, since he survived his abandonment on the rubbish heap.
Because the prince raised him, he also acquired the pet name Kumarabhacca
(nourished by prince).
Towards the end of his seven-year study, he took a practical examination that
tested his medical skills and his knowledge of medical herbs. He passed the test
with merit. With a little financial help and blessings of his mentor, Jivaka set
out into the world in search of a carrier, fame and fortune.
On his way back home to Rajagriha, he stopped at Saketha where he came to know that
the wife of the richest merchant (setthi) in the town was suffering from a chronic
head ache for the past seven years; and , the local physicians were unable to find
a cure for her ailment.
Jivaka succeed in convincing the rich lady that though young as he was, he would
surely rid her of the ailment. He procured some herbs and cooked them in pure ghee
obtained from the lady’s household. He made the patient lie on her back on a couch
and injected the medicine, he had prepared, through her nose.
When the injected medicine was flowing out of her mouth, the patient gestured to
her servant to mop up that fluid (ghee/medicine) with a piece of cotton and store
it a vessel. The bemused physician Jivaka wondered, “That ghee ought to be thrown
away, but this stingy woman ordered it to be saved by swapping it with cotton. I
do not know whether I will get my fee. This thrift is rather too much”.
After she recovered, the Settani watching the puzzled expression on Jivaka’s face
smiled ; and, explained, “That is a good ghee mixed with medicine and can be used
for rubbing on sore feet. Don’t be alarmed. I am not so stingy . I will pay you
your fee.”
She was highly pleased with the miracle cure ; and, paid the young physician four
thousand kappanas (silver coins). Her son added an equal amount to his purse.
On his return to Rajagriha, flushed with success and money , Jivaka set up his own
establishment. He had a great start to his medical career. He performed the
operation of trepanning (to pierce with a surgical crown saw) on a setthi of
Rājagaha ; and, followed it up with an operation on the son of the setthi of
Varanasi , who suffered from chronic intestinal trouble due to its misplacement.
A son of a merchant while playing at somersaults suffered a twist in the bowels (an
entanglement of his intestines). He could not digest properly whatever he ate and
drank; and looked discolored with the veins standing out upon his skin. Jivaka cut
the skin of the stomach, drew out the twisted bowel, and sewed the skin of the
stomach. On applying an ointment given by Jivaka, the boy in due course became
well.
Jivaka was also a well-known pediatrician. His name Kaumarabhtya (in Sanskrit) was
some times interpreted to mean ‘expert in children’s diseases’. A part of the Bower
MSS discovered during 1880 in Kuchar of Chinese Turkistan quotes Jivaka’s formulae
as the “Navan_taka” (meaning ‘butter’).
This medical compilation of the 4th century AD attributes two formulae dealing with
children’s disease to Jivaka, saying ‘Iti hovaca Jivakah” i.e. thus spoke Jivaka.
One formula is: Bhargi, long pepper, Paha, payasya, together with honey, may be
used against emeses ( act of vomiting ) due to deranged phlegm. Some of the cures
attributed to Jivaka may be exaggerations; but, they indicate the importance
attached to accurate observation and deduction in ancient times.
(http://www.vigyanprasar.gov.in/dream/may2000/article1.htm)
[His teachings traveled to Thailand along with Buddhism, around the 2nd and 3rd
century BC. Learners and practitioners of the traditional Thai massage art respect
his methods, even today.
http://www.thaimassagebrighton.com/thai_tradition.html]
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As his fame spread, the king’s men invited Jivaka to cure the king Bimbisara of his
fistula. The successful physician was paid a huge fee; and, was appointed as the
physician to the king.
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Jivaka, the successful young physician, enjoying fame and fortune went to meet his
benefactor and adopted father Prince Abhaya and laid at his feet all the wealth he
earned. Jivaka thanked the Prince for his love, compassion and caring.
Prince Abhaya appreciated the gesture; and, said that the gifts were undoubtedly
very valuable indeed; but it was not the gift he was waiting for, he said. ”You
verily are my true gift” he exclaimed.
Prince Abhaya explained that during Jivaka’s absence he enquired into the
circumstances of his birth. His mother, Salawathi, was the most sought-after
courtesan of the kings and nobility. Wanting to retain her freedom, she discarded
her baby, who , she feared , might burden her. Prince Abhaya had unknowingly
adopted his own child.
Prince Abhaya built a palace to serve as his son Jivaka’s residence ; and, provided
him with riches and many servants
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The turning point in Jivaka’s life happened when Ananda came to fetch him to treat
the Buddha who suffered from “blocked intestines” (constipation?). When Jivaka saw
the condition of the patient, it occurred to him he might not survive a strong
purgative. He then had fat rubbed into the Buddha’s body; and, gave him a handful
of lotuses to inhale the essence emanating from the flowers.
Jīvaka was away when the mild purgative was later administered to the patient, and
he suddenly remembered that he had omitted to ask him to bathe in warm water to
complete the cure process. The Buddha, it is said, read his thoughts and bathed as
required.( Vin.i.279f; DhA. ii.164f).
On another occasion when the Buddha’s was injured in his foot by a splinter from a
rock hurled by Devadutta (Buddha’s cousin), the Buddha had to be carried from
Maddakucchi (a park near Rajagriha) to Jīvaka’s Ambavana residence. There, Jīvaka
applied an astringent; and , having bandaged the wound, he left the city expecting
to return in time to remove it.
However, by the time he did return, the city gates were shut. He was greatly
worried because if the bandage remained on all night the Buddha would suffer
intense pain. The Buddha, it is said, read his thoughts and had the bandage
removed. (J.v.333.).
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Jivaka became an ardent admirer and disciple of the Buddha. He tried to meet the
Buddha at least two times a day. Since the Veluvana, where the Buddha stayed at
that time, was far away, he built a monastery with all its adjuncts in his own
Ambavana in Rājagaha; and, dedicated it to the Buddha and his monks (DA.i.133;
MA.ii.590).
With foresight, love and compassion , Jivaka took care of the physical health of
the Buddha and His Sangha. The Buddha, at the suggestion of Jivaka , introduced a
number of measures to regulate the day-to-day activities of the monks. Those
included the following:
-. As an extension of this routine, the Buddha instructed the monks to sweep the
compound of the monastery and attend to other duties in order to exercise their
bodies, to ensure good health ; and at the same time , to keep the premises clean.
-. Those monks who were ill were advised to use medicines and whenever needed to
apply ointment to their sore feet.
-. The monks were in the habit of walking bare foot; and, many of them had
sustained injuries and suffered from sore feet. The Buddha advised them to wear
foot coverings.
-. The Buddha advised the monks to use modest clothing and not wander about naked.
He also asked them not to indulge in excessive austerities.
-. A discipline was introduced , which required the monks to take care of each
other. The famous advice of the Buddha to the monks, in this context, was,
“Ye, O Bhikkhus, have no mother and father to wait upon you. If you wait not one
upon the other, who is there, indeed, who will wait upon you? Whosoever, O
Bhikkhus, would wait upon me, he should wait upon the sick.”
-. With the introduction of better health care measures in the Sangha , more and
more lay persons entered the Order. Many people, afflicted with disease and unable
to pay for treatment, joined the Order in order to avail free medical facilities.
This influx naturally rendered Jivaka’s task more difficult. He was unable to cope
with the increased workload. Further, he thought, the Order was being misused. At
his suggestion, the Buddha laid down a rule that men afflicted with certain
diseases be refused entry into the Order. The diseases prevalent in Maghada of
those times included: leprosy, boils, dry leprosy, consumption, and fits
(Vin.i.71ff).
Later cripples and homosexual were also kept out of the order. (Vinaya, Vol. 4, pp.
141-142.).
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Once Jivaka offered to the Buddha, an exquisite shawl , which was earlier presented
to him (Jivaka) by a king. The Buddha accepted the celestial shawl, as requested by
Jivaka.
The Buddha, however, felt that keeping such a valuable shawl in the monastery would
attract thieves and endanger His monks. He, therefore, asked Ananda to cut the
shawl into strips and sew it again, so that it would be of little value to thieves
or for resale . In addition, it would inculcate in the monks a sense of non-
attachment to objects. This was how the custom of wearing patched garments came
into practice in the Sangha.
When the people at Rajagraha heard :“The Blessed One has allowed the bhikkhus to
wear lay robes” .
Jivaka gained fame as the first layman to offer robes to the monks. Thereafter,
others who were willing to bestow gifts became glad. The term kathina denotes a
cotton cloth offered by lay people to bhikkhus (monks) annually, after the end of
the vassa rainy retreat, for the purpose of making robes. And on that one day, many
thousands of robes were presented at Rajagaha to the bhikkhus. Since then , the
practice of offering robes to the monks and to the nuns in the Sangha came to be
regarded as one of the meritorious deeds .
The Buddha is sitting at the centre, surrounded by monks and lay people
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Education
At the outset; the Buddha guides the aspirant on the path that leads to right-
understanding; and, asks the student to work it out by himself, following a free
and fair reasoning. As regards the attitude or the approach that the students
should ideally adopt; the Buddha while answering a question asked by Kalamas of
Kesaputta, counselled the young learners thus (the kalama Sutta appearing in
Aṅguttara Nikaya (III.653) :
Come, O Kālāmas, Do not accept anything thinking that thus have we heard it from a
long time (anussava). Do not accept anything thinking that it has thus been handed
down through many generations (paramparā). Do not accept anything on account of
rumours (itikirā). Do not accept anything just because it accords with your
scriptures (piṭaka-sampadāna). Do not accept anything by mere surmise (takka-hetu);
or upon an axiom (naya-hetu). Do not accept anything by mere inference (ākāra-
parivitakka). Do not accept anything by merely upon a bias towards a notion that
has been pondered over (diṭṭhi-nijjhān-akkh-antiyā). Do not accept anything by
coming under another’s seems ability (bhabba-rūpatāya). Do not accept anything
merely because the monk-teacher says so (samaṇo no garū). Do not accept anything
thinking that the ascetic is respected by us (and therefore it is right to accept
his word.)
“Kalamas, when you know for yourselves —these things are immoral, these things are
blameworthy, these things are censured by the wise, these things when performed and
undertaken, conduce to ruin and sorrow – then indeed you do have to reject them.
“But Kalamas, when you know for yourselves – these things are good; these things
are blameless, these things are praised by the wise; these things when undertaken
and observed, lead to well-being and happiness- enter upon and abide in them.’
(3) watch ones conduct in word, deed and mind; repent ones mistakes, and ensure
such mistakes do not occur again;
(5) honor and respect your teacher, develop a loving attitude towards her/him.
(4) render what he/she has learnt in a clear voice , using a simple land
meaningful words that are easily understood by the listeners (Kalyaniyasi).
The Vinaya Pitaka encourages the student to rationally and logically analyse the
words of the teacher; to politely ask pertinent questions; to clear his doubts;
and, to seek the answers himself.
As regards the responsibilities of the Pupils; each was charged with the task and
responsibility of maintaining the monastery, in which they all live and study,
cleanly and properly. Apart from cleaning and putting things in place, the
resident-students were expected to look after their Master, with love and devotion.
Normally, a student-monk would be attached to a teacher till the end of the study-
course. But, a student could go to another teacher, in case the present teacher:
(4) voluntarily allows the student to seek instructions from another teacher;
(5) dies.
An errant student runs the risk of being expelled from the monastery, in case
he/she is held guilty of gross indiscipline, despite the repeated counselling.
The other merits of a good teacher (Sadguru) were said to be that he/she is: well
educated, respected and posses a high moral conduct; has the necessary skill,
aptitude and the tolerance to teach; spreads the knowledge without fear, favour or
prejudice; well intentioned, having the well-being of the student; and, above all,
should be well versed in the tenets and the disciplines enumerated in the Vinaya
Pitaka (Vinayadhar), and, brings them into practices.
And, in a similar manner, the pupils should respect and regard the teacher as they
would to their own father; and, take care of their teacher with love and devotion.
And, the teacher, on his part, should look after and take care of his pupils with
diligence. At the time of pupil’s illness, teacher has to look after him; arrange
for proper medication; and ,nurse him back to good health.
Recalling the Buddha’s attitude, Bhadant Upali, a disciple of the Buddha, narrated
that once, while in Sravasti, the Buddha came upon an ailing monk in a very sick
and dirty condition. The Buddha at once asked his cousin and close disciple Ananda,
to fetch a bowl of fresh water and clean the ‘Chivara’ (monastic robe) of the sick
and old monk. The Buddha, thereupon, himself washed the body of that monk and
changed his attire. Thus, by attending to the sick monk himself, the Master set a
shining example to others about the responsibilities that a teacher must bear
towards his pupils and followers.
The above instance illustrates the process in which the rules governing the
conduct of the monks evolved in the early Buddhism. This was in sharp contrast to
the practices in a few other religions, where the Rule was initially pronounced or
written down and later imposed on the followers. The Buddhist practices, especially
those concerning the conduct of the monks, emerged out of the incidents in the
Buddha’s life or out of his discourses. It was a gradual process; and a Rule
developed in response to a challenge or to fulfill the needs of the growing Order.
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Dr. Ananat Sadashiv Altekar (1898-1960) – who was the Professor and Head of the
Department of Ancient Indian History and Culture at Banaras Hindu University – (in
his Education in Ancient India, 1934) talks about Buddhism and the system of
ancient Indian education. The following is an extract:
Buddhism and ancient Indian education –Chapter X – Section A- pages 225 to 233
Ordination Ceremony:
The wise injunction of the Buddha, that every novice should be properly trained in
the discipline and doctrine of the religion, was primarily responsible for the
educational developments in and activities of Buddhist monasteries. Two ceremonies
were laid down for those who desired to enter the Order, the Pabbajja and the
Upwampada.
The Pabbajja marked the beginning of the noviciate period and could be given when a
person was less than eight years old. The permission of the guardian was necessary.
The Upammpada was given after the end of the noviciate period, and the recipient
had to be not less than twenty years old.
The ordination could take place only with the consent of the whole Chapter. There
were no caste restrictions for admission.
The novice had to affirm his faith in the Buddha, his Dharma and the Sangha (the
Order); and select a learned person as his preceptor. He was to follow strictly the
rules and discipline of the Order.
Like the Hindu Brahmachari (student), he was expected to beg his daily food; but he
was also permitted to accept invitations for meals from laymen. He was to do all
manual and menial work connected with the monastic life, e. g. cleansing its floor
and utensils, bringing water, supervising its stores, etc.
(If he was guilty of any serious breach of discipline, he could be expelled by a
meeting of the chapter.)
The Relations between the Novice and his Teacher were filial in character; they
were united together by mutual reverence, confidence and affection. Like the Hindu
Brahmacharin, the Buddhist novice was to help his teacher by doing a variety of
manual work for him ; he was to carry his seat and robes, supply him water and
tooth stick, cleanse his begging bowl and utensils and accompany him as an
attendant when he proceeded to the town or village for begging or preaching.
The teacher was to teach the student the rules of etiquette and discipline, draw
his and abstinence from pleasures and help him in his intellectual and spiritual
progress by suitable discourses and lessons* in the morning and afternoon. He was
also to help him in getting food and robes, and even to nurse him if he was sick.
The teacher ‘s own life was to be exemplary ; and, the novice was permitted to act
as a check on him if he was wavering in his faith or about to commit a breach of
monastic discipline. The needs ol the teacher were to be the minimum; the famous
teachers at Nalanda used to receive an allowance only three times larger than the
amount given to an ordinary student.
This would give a very clear idea as to how Buddhist teachers led a very simple
life and cost next to nothing to society. They were lifelong students of their
different subjects; for marriage did not intervene to put an end to or an obstacle
in their studies.
As observed already, in the beginning Buddhist education was purely monastic and
was intended only for those who entered, or intended to enter, the Order. This was
but natural.
Buddhism held that the worldly life was full of sorrow and that the salvation
could be possible only by renouncing it. It could therefore naturally evince no
interest in the education of those who intended to follow secular life and
pursuits. In the course of time however it was realised that it was necessary to
win public sympathy and support for the spread of the gospel ; this could be more
successfully done if the Buddhist monk could help the cause of education .as was
done by his theological opponent, the Brahman priest.
It was also realised that the best way to spread the gospel was to undertake the
education of the rising generation. This was calculated to enable the Order to
mould and influence the minds of the younger section of the society, when they were
very pliable. There was thus a better chance of both recruiting proper types of
persons for the Order and of getting a larger number of lay sympathisers, if the
educational effort was not confined to novices but was also extended to the whole
community.
Buddhism therefore threw itself heart and soul into the cause of the general
education of the whole community from about the beginning of the Christian era. It
may be pointed out that lay students were admitted in ‘external’ monastic schools
of Christianity, ‘internal’ schools being reserved for those who intended to join
the order. Jesuits also used to admit lay pupils, when space permitted the step.
Female Education
Buddhist nunneries went out of vogue from about the 4th century A. D. ; so at the
time when Buddhist monasteries had developed into colleges of international
reputation, women were not receiving any advantages of the education imparted in
them. Their marriages were at that time taking place very early.
In the early history of Buddhism however, the permission given to women to enter
the Order gave a fairly good impetus to the cause of female education, especially
in aristocratic and commercial sections of society. A large number of ladies from
these circles joined the Order and became life-long students of religion and
philosophy. Their example must have given an indirect encouragement to the spread
of education among lay women as well
Conclusion:
It will thus be seen that Buddhism may well be proud of its contribution to the
cause of education in ancient In dial Its colleges threw their doors open to all,
irrespective of any considerations of caste or country: The rise of organized
public educational institutions may be justly attributed to the Buddhist influence.
The Buddhist education also helped in the development of Hindu logic and philosophy
by initiating and encouraging comparative study. In the period of its early
history, it championed the cause of education through the mother tongue; later on
however it could not resist the charm and influence of Sanskrit and began to impart
education through that language.
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Vegetarianism in Buddhism :
Once while he visited the Buddha ,who was then staying in his Mango grove, Jīvaka
asked, if it was true that animals were slain expressly for the Buddha’s use. The
Buddha replied— he forbids the eating of meat only when there is evidence of one’s
eyes or ears as grounds for suspicion that the animal was slain for one’s express
use. Anyone who slays an animal for the use of a monk and gives it to him commits a
great evil”. Jīvaka was pleased with the reply and declared himself a follower of
the Buddha. (Jīvaka Sutta – M.i.368f.)
Jivaka sutta :
This is the much-discussed Jivaka Sutta that puts forth the Buddhist views on meat
eating and vegetarianism. The sutra and the discussions that follow are elaborate.
Some of that can be explored by following the links at the bottom of this
paragraph.
In summary:
– a monk or nun should accept, without any discrimination, whatever food is offered
in alms , offered with good will; this could include meat. However, the Buddha
declared the meat trade as wrong livelihood. (Vanijja Sutta, AN 5:177)
– Taking life, beating, cutting, binding, stealing, lying, fraud, deceit, pretence
at knowledge, adultery; this is un-cleanliness and not the eating of meat.
– When men are rough and harsh, backbiting, treacherous, without compassion,
haughty, ungenerous and do not give anything to anybody; this is un-cleanliness and
not the eating of meat.
– When men are of bad morals, refuse to pay their debts, are slanderers, deceitful
in their dealings, pretenders, when the vilest of men commit foul deeds; this is
un-cleanliness and not the eating of meat.
– When men attack living beings because of either greed or hostility and are always
bent upon evil, they go to darkness after death and fall headlong into hell; this
is un-cleanliness and not the eating of meat.
-. Abstaining from fish and meat, nakedness, shaving of the head, matted hair,
smearing ashes, wearing rough deerskins, attending the sacrificial fire; none of
the various penances in the world performed for unhealthy ends, neither
incantations, oblations, sacrifices nor seasonal observances, purify a person who
has not overcome his doubts.
-. He who lives with his senses guarded, conquered, and is established in the
Dhamma delights in uprightness and gentleness; who has gone beyond attachments and
has overcome all sorrows; that wise man does not cling to what is seen and heard.
(Amagandha Sutta)
– meat should not be eaten under three circumstances: when it is seen or heard or
suspected to have been killed on purpose for a monk. (When a living being is
purposely slaughtered for the eater).
The Buddha declared that kamma is intention. One should not therefore condemn a
person merely because he is eating meat to sustain himself. This sets him apart
from one who eats meat out of greed for meat or for enjoyment in killing.
None should discourage those who opt not to eat meat. A balanced diet could be
achieved without meat, if one so desires. Many Buddhists have opted to become
vegetarians because it helps them to practice “loving-kindness”.
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“Behold now, Bhikkhus, I exhort you: All compounded things are subject to vanish.
Strive with earnestness”
“My years are now full ripe; the life span left is short.
Departing, I go hence from you, relying on myself alone.
Be earnest, then, O bhikkhus, be mindful and of
virtue pure!
With firm resolve, guard your own mind,
Whoso untiringly pursues the Dhamma and the Discipline
Shall go beyond the round of births and make an end of suffering.”
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http://www.mahindarama.com/e-tipitaka/Majjhima-Nikaya/mn-55.htm
http://web.ukonline.co.uk/buddhism/jivaka.htm
http://www.dhammaweb.net/Tipitaka/read.php?id=89
http://www.savage-comedy.com/_Vegetarianism_in_Buddhism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarianism_in_Buddhism
http://www.dharmaweb.org/index.php/Vegetarianism_by_Venerable_K._Sri_Dhammananda
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Posted by sreenivasaraos on September 1, 2012 in Buddhism
Tags: Buddha, Buddhism, Jivaka, meat eating and Buddhism, Non vegetarianism
sreenivasaraos
March 21, 2015 at 1:19 pm
sreenivasarao
nice article. at the moment i have a question.this is just a curiosity and has no
bearing on the great being.
i have read somewhere that buddha died of some sort of food poisoning after he
consumed meat (stale ?) at somebody’s home.
do yu know about it ?
i also posted a comment just now in sri vijaya’s blog about buddha being a negative
avatar of vishnu . pl read and comment
regards
Palahali
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sreenivasaraos
dear palahali ,
thank you.
the buddha’s last days are described in maha pari_nibbana sutta. please check this
@
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/dn/dn.16.1-6.vaji.html.
scroll down towards the bottom to the buddha’s last meal, for the story you
referred.
as regards the other issue i would rather not get into it.
thank you
regars
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sreenivasaraos
dear srinivasarao
thanks for the reference. i looked at wht you suggested and i got my answer.
however, the reference has many other things which i will look at later. regards
sreenivasaraos
dear palahali
these texts, though in translation , are not easy to read . they follow a cyclic
way of narration. they state a proposition , explain it , come back to the original
proposition then affirm it or negate it . while moving on to the next they again
carry the thread.many times , they tend to repeat or overlap.
take your time , read it at your leisure . in any case , you cannot read through it
in one go.
regards
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sreenivasaraos
i enjoyed reading about jivaka, the physician. i am yet to read your links, but i
am very enlightened on buddha’s take on veg/non-veg’rism.
Riverine
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sreenivasaraos
dear riverine
thank you. i am glad you found it interesting. those links are about jivaka sutta
and related suttas. the other set is about debate on vegetarianism and buddhism.
you may go through those at your leisure.
thanks for help.
regards